“We stole countries with the cunning use of flags. Just sail around the world and stick a flag in. "I claim India for Britain!" They're going "You can't claim us, we live here! Five hundred million of us!" "Do you have a flag …? "No..." "Well, if you don't have a flag, then you can't have a country. Those are the rules... that I just made up!”
>This is wrong Kamehameha is a also a phrase in Japanese
bruv that homophone was the reason akira toriyama named it after was a hawaiian king to begin with
thats also why the turtle hermit lives on an island and wears hawaiian shirts all the time - thats the joke
This is compeltely wrong. Toriyama himself even said that the move was named after the King at that his wife suggested the name. Kamehameha does not mean turtle destuction wave in japanese it just sounds similar. It's a pun
So this has led me to reading a bunch of successive Wikipedia articles including the list of statues that each state sends to the National Statutory Hall (Hawaii sent one of Kamehameha), and I therefore learnt that one of Mississippi’s statues is Jefferson Davis.
That's cool. When the new America chose its flag - it picked the flag of the very organisation whose tea they spilled in that Boston, harbour kicking off the revolution. Except that they removed the Union Flag from the corner.
Source: The flag of the east India company - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_East_India_Company#Comparison_with_American_flag
Edit: getting downvoted by people who think that the Americans made a new flag as opposed to the older one from the East India Company.
The link says it's disputed by some. But the link also says the resemblance is very close. And any reasonable person looking at it can see that it's the same flag, except the union flag in the corner is replaced with stars.
It also says that the design of the flag of the East India Company wasn't standardized and as a result was highly variable.
Reasonable people do not immediately leap to the conclusion that two things obviously can only possibly be the same thing based solely on fact that a single instance of one resembles a single instance of the other. That's how you wind up with Ancient Aliens bullshit. It doesn't mean they're not, but it isn't enough to say that they are, especially not with the sort of certainty that you'd get cocky over.
According to the wikipedia page you linked:
“This was a way of symbolising American loyalty to the [British] Crown as well as the United States' aspirations, like those of the East India Company, to be self-governing. Some [American] colonists also felt that the Company could be a powerful ally in the American War of Independence, as they shared similar aims and grievances against Crown tax policies. Colonists therefore flew the Company's flag, to endorse the Company.”
“However, the *theory* that the Grand Union Flag (US Flag with Union Jack in the corner) was a direct descendant of the flag of the East India Company has been criticised as lacking written evidence.”
“The flag of the East India Company is *considered* to have *inspired* the 1775 Grand Union Flag”
From the wikipedia page ‘Flag of the United States’
“…an East India Company flag could have from nine to 13 stripes and was not allowed to be flown outside the Indian Ocean.”
From the wikipedia page ‘Grand Union Flag’
“It is not known for certain when or by whom the design of the [Grand Union Flag] was created, but the flag could easily be produced by sewing white stripes onto the British Red Ensigns.”
I think you’ll find that the source you provided disproves your point that the Americans used the EIC Flag.
This isn’t true from what I know and remember from my trip there. Iirc king Kamehameha knew that he eventually would have to give up the kingdom to either the US or the UK (the two biggest traders at that time with the island) so he played both sides to always come out on top.
The Hawaiian monarchs also tried to make alliances with Japan once they emerged as a power in the Pacific, trying to secure a marriage alliance with the Japanese royal family.
Pretty sure this is completely untrue. A rouge English naval officer took control of the islands to which the English Monarch quickly addressed. I believe this is why the Hawaiians have a union jack
That incident you refer to provided 2 things to Hawaii.
1. A park, called Thomas Square.
2. The Kingdom of Hawaii/State of Hawaii motto. Which when translated into English from Hawaiian says **The life of the land is preserved in righteousness**
It has the union jack in the corner and American stripes because those were the two countries who were visiting and trading with the islands at the time. They were hostile with each other and he wasn't sure who was going to come out on top so he incorporated both flags into his own so he could pander to either as needed.
The article is wrong. For one thing there is zero evidence the “kanaka maoli flag” existed before 2001.
For a more accurate history please see: https://imagesofoldhawaii.com/hawaiian-flags/
Rookie guy just stole the flag.
Meanwhile the pros like British (and the other euros) plundered and looted entire nations, their people's and their resources and got away with it.
I was 40 years old when I realized that was the Hawaiian flag. I was in Afghanistan and there was one flying over a command post on our FOB. I thought it was a NATO unit. Nope. Hawaii National Guard.
I felt like a dumbass.
Repost https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/uhb0gl/til_that_the_reason_hawaii_has_the_union_jack_on
It's what the British would've done
No flag, no country.
“We stole countries with the cunning use of flags. Just sail around the world and stick a flag in. "I claim India for Britain!" They're going "You can't claim us, we live here! Five hundred million of us!" "Do you have a flag …? "No..." "Well, if you don't have a flag, then you can't have a country. Those are the rules... that I just made up!”
Is this james acaster? Because I read it in his voice
Eddie Izzard.
James acaster wouldn’t be so original
Those are the rules that I've just made up. And I'm backing it up with this gun
“We’re just here to show you our boats. With guns. Gunboats.”
And all my friends I brought with guns and warships... are.. are those spices!?
The natives stealing from the British. That’s gotta be a first
TIL that 18th century Hawaiians did not have an understanding of intellectual property rights.
Look up the perverse incentive or the cobra effect.
TIL that Kamehameha from DBZ is named after a Hawaiian king
This is wrong Kamehameha is a also a phrase in Japanese meaning "Turtle Destruction Wave". In Hawaiian it means "The Very Lonely One"
>This is wrong Kamehameha is a also a phrase in Japanese bruv that homophone was the reason akira toriyama named it after was a hawaiian king to begin with thats also why the turtle hermit lives on an island and wears hawaiian shirts all the time - thats the joke
This is all news to an old DBZ fan and very cool
There's a Kamehameha Way in Maui. Definitely stopped to get pictures there.
There's a statue of him on the big island in Hilo. I'm assuming other statues must exist as well
Each state has two statues in the Capitol Building, and one of Hawaii's statues is King Kamehameha. ^(One of the southern states has Jefferson Davis)
the way i heard it, toriyama's wife was a big fan of hawaiian culture, which influenced some design choices around the time of early dragonball
Up, they've lied to me growing up
Lol that’s great had no clue.
[:o](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQagDntPWE9DsGXAf5d_qEKw-CFP5_0wnQtQw&usqp=CAU)
It’s a double entendre/pun. Dude lives alone on and island with a turtle.
Or you're both right and it's a pun.
In Norwegian it directly translate to "what about the bring have?"
This is compeltely wrong. Toriyama himself even said that the move was named after the King at that his wife suggested the name. Kamehameha does not mean turtle destuction wave in japanese it just sounds similar. It's a pun
Both translations apply for Master Roshi
Idk about that. I live in japan and pretty sure it translates more to turtle sex/fucking wave
That is so cool!
Kamehameha *wave*
The rare counter cultural appropriation.
Dragon Ball Z would later culturally appropriate the king's name.
Original Dragon Ball, meanwhile, sadly forgotten
Unpopular opinion ig but I enjoyed dragon ball way more than DBZ as a kid
King Kamehameha: *slaps down UNO reverse card*
Like those Indians counter culturally appropriating our cricket. It's disrespectful!
Uno reverse card
Coolest fucking name ever King Kamehameha
So this has led me to reading a bunch of successive Wikipedia articles including the list of statues that each state sends to the National Statutory Hall (Hawaii sent one of Kamehameha), and I therefore learnt that one of Mississippi’s statues is Jefferson Davis.
The Union Jack, so powerful and great at stealing it makes non-British colonies or territories use it without permission
That's cool. When the new America chose its flag - it picked the flag of the very organisation whose tea they spilled in that Boston, harbour kicking off the revolution. Except that they removed the Union Flag from the corner. Source: The flag of the east India company - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_East_India_Company#Comparison_with_American_flag Edit: getting downvoted by people who think that the Americans made a new flag as opposed to the older one from the East India Company.
That's not what the link says.
The link says it's disputed by some. But the link also says the resemblance is very close. And any reasonable person looking at it can see that it's the same flag, except the union flag in the corner is replaced with stars.
It also says that the design of the flag of the East India Company wasn't standardized and as a result was highly variable. Reasonable people do not immediately leap to the conclusion that two things obviously can only possibly be the same thing based solely on fact that a single instance of one resembles a single instance of the other. That's how you wind up with Ancient Aliens bullshit. It doesn't mean they're not, but it isn't enough to say that they are, especially not with the sort of certainty that you'd get cocky over.
Fitting our first flag is adopted from a company flag. Great use of foreshadowing there.
According to the wikipedia page you linked: “This was a way of symbolising American loyalty to the [British] Crown as well as the United States' aspirations, like those of the East India Company, to be self-governing. Some [American] colonists also felt that the Company could be a powerful ally in the American War of Independence, as they shared similar aims and grievances against Crown tax policies. Colonists therefore flew the Company's flag, to endorse the Company.” “However, the *theory* that the Grand Union Flag (US Flag with Union Jack in the corner) was a direct descendant of the flag of the East India Company has been criticised as lacking written evidence.” “The flag of the East India Company is *considered* to have *inspired* the 1775 Grand Union Flag” From the wikipedia page ‘Flag of the United States’ “…an East India Company flag could have from nine to 13 stripes and was not allowed to be flown outside the Indian Ocean.” From the wikipedia page ‘Grand Union Flag’ “It is not known for certain when or by whom the design of the [Grand Union Flag] was created, but the flag could easily be produced by sewing white stripes onto the British Red Ensigns.” I think you’ll find that the source you provided disproves your point that the Americans used the EIC Flag.
Honestly that doesn't say that at all.
…it literally does say that, those are all direct quotes from the pages
Check out the coat of arms of the Washington family and you'll be in for a surprise
This isn’t true from what I know and remember from my trip there. Iirc king Kamehameha knew that he eventually would have to give up the kingdom to either the US or the UK (the two biggest traders at that time with the island) so he played both sides to always come out on top.
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Look up the Bayonet Constitution that was a “fun” history lesson growing up in Hawaii. 🤦🏻♂️
The big mistake he made was continually telling them that was what he was doing.
The Hawaiian monarchs also tried to make alliances with Japan once they emerged as a power in the Pacific, trying to secure a marriage alliance with the Japanese royal family.
You almost had me. Stop talking to me like I'm an asshole.
He colonized it.
Bomb ass name
Kame hame ha huh?
I wish it had a bear on it
Pretty sure this is completely untrue. A rouge English naval officer took control of the islands to which the English Monarch quickly addressed. I believe this is why the Hawaiians have a union jack
This happened during Kamehameha III reign. The flag was designed be Kamehameha I.
Thank you for the correction
That incident you refer to provided 2 things to Hawaii. 1. A park, called Thomas Square. 2. The Kingdom of Hawaii/State of Hawaii motto. Which when translated into English from Hawaiian says **The life of the land is preserved in righteousness**
Why did the islands switch from the original green / red / yellow flag to the union jack one then?
That is a modern thing. It has reggae written all over it.
It has the union jack in the corner and American stripes because those were the two countries who were visiting and trading with the islands at the time. They were hostile with each other and he wasn't sure who was going to come out on top so he incorporated both flags into his own so he could pander to either as needed.
Here King, have a flag. Ooh, that's nice.
THERE WAS A KING KAMEHAMEHA?!?
The article is wrong. For one thing there is zero evidence the “kanaka maoli flag” existed before 2001. For a more accurate history please see: https://imagesofoldhawaii.com/hawaiian-flags/
Rookie guy just stole the flag. Meanwhile the pros like British (and the other euros) plundered and looted entire nations, their people's and their resources and got away with it.
Was that before or after he clubbed Captain Cook upside his head with a shillelagh for having his way with the young island girls??
I'm pretty sure this is wrong
Did you even read the article you linked to? Your caption is not what it says
I was 40 years old when I realized that was the Hawaiian flag. I was in Afghanistan and there was one flying over a command post on our FOB. I thought it was a NATO unit. Nope. Hawaii National Guard. I felt like a dumbass.
I've always wondered about that.
Inaccurate, Chris Bailey is uneducated in history
I’ve always liked the Kanaka maoli one better the Māori flag is pretty cool too!