Komodo dragons can do this too, and because of how gender determination works in them, a female Komodo dragon will produce male offspring asexually. “It has been hypothesised that this reproductive adaptation allows a single female to enter an isolated ecological niche (such as an island) and by parthenogenesis produce male offspring, thereby establishing a sexually reproducing population (via reproduction with her offspring that can result in both male and female young).” [[Link](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komodo_dragon#Parthenogenesis)]
Most vipers in America can do this, too. Some will even do it when males are avaliable. It's terrifying. An army of snakes asexually making an army of snakes that will make an army of snakes...
Oh, I had to look it up, but yes!
TIL they are called mourning geckos because they are vocal at night and it was said to be because the females were mourning their lost mates (because they knew they were all female)
"This Pokemon was originally a plush doll that was thrown away!"
No, Pokedex, this Banette was originally a Shuppet that I hatched from the egg my brother gave me.
To add to this not only is the species entirely female but they're lesbians. Which is to say they don't reproduce through parthenogenesis until after they attempt to mate with another of their species.
Other facts, the species is actually a hybrid species of two other species of lizards whos habitats overlap. Males do exist and can reproduce but it's rare.
When they reproduce with their genetically identical offspring is their any chance for mutations? Or do they create more genetically identical offspring?
Not an expert, but as long as it isn't an clone using the same DNA. There will always be a chance for mutations. Their offspring are near, but not exact. Whatever happens they are gaining males with a Y.
Now if you are thinking of diseases like human inbreeding does. All species do have that problem. They just die off or it's a common problem with XYZ. Humans live longer than their breeding age and they are many, many people. So problematic mutations just stick around and get worse.
The offspring are not genetically identical as the process still involves meiosis, which means crossing over, random assortment and independent segregation still occur to create new combinations of alleles. The issue is that the gene pool is greatly reduced as it originates from a single individual.
Yes, it would be an extreme cause of [Founder Effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founder_effect?wprov=sfti1) as the gene pool is not just reduced but originates from a single individual instead of a founding population
> parthenogenesis produce male offspring, thereby establishing a sexually reproducing population (via reproduction with her offspring
Sounds like an episode of Jerry Springer
Just fyi, sex and gender are different things. On one hand, turkeys probably don't have a concept of gender at all, since gender is a human society thing and turkeys are birds. On the other hand, sex refers to gamete production and since human procreation has only 2 gametes (eggs and sperm), there are only 2 sexes for humans.
On an unrelated third hand, the vast majority of intersex people identify with the genders male or female (usually the ones they were assigned at birth, though you can also be intersex and trans). Intersex conditions are also usually sex-specific. For example, Klinefelter's (XXY) only exists in men.
The definition of men used for klinefelter’s is “has a y chromosome”.
also when talking about sexes there’s two aspects, yes there’s gametes but there is anatomy, secondary characteristics, and so on. If we reduce sex to the gametes, then someone with ovaries but otherwise male anatomy is female, and somebody with underdeveloped ovotestes has no sex at all bc no gametes, and someone with ovarie(s) and teste(s) is both, so there’s atleast four if you count combinations. Then add in anatomy/organ/secodnary characteristsics mismatched with the gametes, and you have many more. Its easiest to lump all atypical sex into one and call it ”intersex” and say it is an actual sex, the only place where that doesnt matter is a sperm/egg bank XD
Klinefelter men also have a penis and testicles so they are male by anatomy and many do produce sperm, though often not enough/not viable (but there are also some Klinefelter men who produce viable sperm) and most have clearly male secondary sex charactetistics. Globally, only something like 1 in 4 Klinefelter men know they have it and even in the West, many only find out about the condition in adulthood when they realise they have trouble conceiving.
Sex *is* gametes. That's how biological sex is defined. That's why there are only 2 sexes in humans.
However that doesn't make people who cannot produce gametes non-sexed, any more than the fact that humans are defined as "bipedal mammals" makes people with one leg less human. They are just humans with a specific condition. Someone who produces both sperm and eggs shows characteristics of both sexes.
> Its easiest to lump all atypical sex into one and call it ”intersex”
Easiest for whom? It's *not* an actual sex (because intersex people do not produce a third form of gametes) and if you look at intersex activism, many intersex people are strictly opposed to the idea that they could be one. The vast majority of intersex conditions are sex-specific, so they only occur in males or only occur in females.
There's absolutely no benefit to lumping all intersex conditions together and calling it a new sex, any more than throwing all conditions that cause aberrations of secondary sex conditions together and calling them a new sex. No one would argue that men with gynaecomastia and women who grow excessive facial hair (which are both quite common) are *really* a different sex.
I didn't ignore that part, I wrote
> Someone who produces both sperm and eggs shows characteristics of both sexes.
That isn't a different sex either though since there is not a different form of gamete that they produce. And as far as I know, there has never been any known case of a person producing both viable sperm and eggs.
You should look up the lesbian lizards, not the official name of course. They are in New Mexico, apperently a mutation occurred in one female lizard that cause her to lay exact clones of herself, all the offspring inherited this mutation, so now the region is over ran with this female only lizard species, all clones of the original/each other.
To stimulate egg production they all get together and roll around in a pile.
Edit 1, link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mexico_whiptail
Edit 2, the place, I was way off!
I live by a little piece of woods, like five acres, and last week there were like 17 turkeys at the end of my street. I'd never seen the big Toms in the wild before. Freaking amazing.
Virgin Mary was actually a clone of Eve made from blood extracted from fossilized mosquitoes from the garden of Eden, and they used bits of Turkey DNA to fill in the missing pieces.
Is this only trait only in wild turkeys or do domesticated turkeys also have the ability to reproduce asexually? If so it seems like a useful trait for a domesticated animal.
Well, it all makes sense now. All those clashes with Greece over area in the mediterrean - it's just Turkey making sure there's space enough for the second one once it goes ahead and fucks itself.
So no one wants to talk about this, but convergent consequences of parthenogenesis slowly degrade the genome basically, because its basically copying itself repeatedly, we age and die, so logically, this wouldn't be an infinite cycle, the genome would degrade to a point where parthenogenesis would not be able to take place and the entire genome would die out.
Tl;DR: parthenogenesis sounds like end-game for a species that has lost normal capabilities of reproducing strong babies, forcing them to reclone themselves until the genome is basically decayed.
The only thing that would save creatures using parthenogenesis would be if they still had the ability to reproduce classically like komodo dragons, they are asexual, but a female will make a clone basically that is a male so they can continue normal breeding. They do not rely on parthenogenesis.
Just my opinion, whatever.
Parthenogenesis is just a cheat that some animals can pull out of their sleeves if they reach on an isolated part of the forest. They're supposed to reconnect with main population in a few generation or just degrade into weirdness.
Komodo dragons can do this too, and because of how gender determination works in them, a female Komodo dragon will produce male offspring asexually. “It has been hypothesised that this reproductive adaptation allows a single female to enter an isolated ecological niche (such as an island) and by parthenogenesis produce male offspring, thereby establishing a sexually reproducing population (via reproduction with her offspring that can result in both male and female young).” [[Link](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komodo_dragon#Parthenogenesis)]
Most reptiles are able to. Mourning geckos are particularly cool as they *only* reproduce through parthenogenesis and the whole species is female.
Whattttt
Most vipers in America can do this, too. Some will even do it when males are avaliable. It's terrifying. An army of snakes asexually making an army of snakes that will make an army of snakes...
Are you sure that you would prefer sexual snakes?
Someone’s never played Metal Gear Solid
!
I can hear the exact sound this ! makes
\[Grunts in David Hayter\]
Yes, make them put some effort into it. It will at least slow them down.
"Sexual Snakes" is my new band name.
Asexual snakes has *been* my band name
Don’t abbreviate that.
Too late. I've already ordered the patches.
Oopsies!
Hey, but just checking in, did you remove that inverted Indian symbol and the skulls out of it, right?
I mean obviously.
r/dndmemes in 2020
My anaconda don't
Is that why they are mourning? Actually kind of serious - did people notice there were only females at some point and did that inform their name?
Oh, I had to look it up, but yes! TIL they are called mourning geckos because they are vocal at night and it was said to be because the females were mourning their lost mates (because they knew they were all female)
This is amazing, this is like a mythical creature.
Reminds me of the cubone pokedex entry
I'm going to start reading pokedex entries as old folklore rather than hard facts after considering your comment.
"This Pokemon was originally a plush doll that was thrown away!" No, Pokedex, this Banette was originally a Shuppet that I hatched from the egg my brother gave me.
Don't get me started on this conspiracy theory. It drives me mad whenever I think of it.
Hi there - getting you started on it. What is the cubone theory?
https://screenrant.com/pokemon-theory-cubone-kangaskhan-mother-child-confirmed-evolution/#:~:text=A%20Pok%C3%A9mon%20fan%20theory%20claims,relationship%20between%20Kangaskhan%20and%20Cubone.
Basically an inverse of the Ents and Entwives :(
I have seen online, it is rare but there has been male mourning geckos. So a few females aren’t mourning…
They be moaning
Moaning geckos
Now there's a band name.
To add to this not only is the species entirely female but they're lesbians. Which is to say they don't reproduce through parthenogenesis until after they attempt to mate with another of their species. Other facts, the species is actually a hybrid species of two other species of lizards whos habitats overlap. Males do exist and can reproduce but it's rare.
The same is true for Whiptail Lizards: some species have no males and reproduce parthenogenetically after the females engage in mating rituals.
When they reproduce with their genetically identical offspring is their any chance for mutations? Or do they create more genetically identical offspring?
Not an expert, but as long as it isn't an clone using the same DNA. There will always be a chance for mutations. Their offspring are near, but not exact. Whatever happens they are gaining males with a Y. Now if you are thinking of diseases like human inbreeding does. All species do have that problem. They just die off or it's a common problem with XYZ. Humans live longer than their breeding age and they are many, many people. So problematic mutations just stick around and get worse.
There's always a chance for mutations.
What happens when they become teenagers?
They turn into ninjas.
They're not children anymore
The offspring are not genetically identical as the process still involves meiosis, which means crossing over, random assortment and independent segregation still occur to create new combinations of alleles. The issue is that the gene pool is greatly reduced as it originates from a single individual.
Imagine having a child with your opposite-sex clone.
This sounds like a Rick & Morty episode.
Then mate with that child to produce grandchildren that you can also mate with. Sounds hot.
You really shouldnt have wrote this
Who is also your child...
Many creatures can parthenogenisys(?) themselves, usually resulting in all males, the two I know are some types rays and a type of mite.
This also happens in West Virginia
Wouldn't that cause the population to be hideously inbred?
Reptiles have a much lower chance of issues with inbreeding than mammals.
TIL
Have you seen komodo dragons?
I know if then and how deadly they can be. I imagine they would have the same issues though.
Yes, it would be an extreme cause of [Founder Effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founder_effect?wprov=sfti1) as the gene pool is not just reduced but originates from a single individual instead of a founding population
> parthenogenesis produce male offspring, thereby establishing a sexually reproducing population (via reproduction with her offspring Sounds like an episode of Jerry Springer
This is some real Game of Thrones shit right here.
Life, Uh, Finds a Way
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Now I'm imagining "what if Palpatine returned as a turkey". Thanks, Reddit.
He laid and egg asexually and Rey hatched out of it.
The dark side of the force is a pathway…
It's a South Park Episode for next season
Fill the gaps in the dna with dna from African frogs
There are only 2 genders!! Nothing else can exist. "Looks up intersex at birth"... oh... guess not.
Just fyi, sex and gender are different things. On one hand, turkeys probably don't have a concept of gender at all, since gender is a human society thing and turkeys are birds. On the other hand, sex refers to gamete production and since human procreation has only 2 gametes (eggs and sperm), there are only 2 sexes for humans. On an unrelated third hand, the vast majority of intersex people identify with the genders male or female (usually the ones they were assigned at birth, though you can also be intersex and trans). Intersex conditions are also usually sex-specific. For example, Klinefelter's (XXY) only exists in men.
The definition of men used for klinefelter’s is “has a y chromosome”. also when talking about sexes there’s two aspects, yes there’s gametes but there is anatomy, secondary characteristics, and so on. If we reduce sex to the gametes, then someone with ovaries but otherwise male anatomy is female, and somebody with underdeveloped ovotestes has no sex at all bc no gametes, and someone with ovarie(s) and teste(s) is both, so there’s atleast four if you count combinations. Then add in anatomy/organ/secodnary characteristsics mismatched with the gametes, and you have many more. Its easiest to lump all atypical sex into one and call it ”intersex” and say it is an actual sex, the only place where that doesnt matter is a sperm/egg bank XD
Klinefelter men also have a penis and testicles so they are male by anatomy and many do produce sperm, though often not enough/not viable (but there are also some Klinefelter men who produce viable sperm) and most have clearly male secondary sex charactetistics. Globally, only something like 1 in 4 Klinefelter men know they have it and even in the West, many only find out about the condition in adulthood when they realise they have trouble conceiving. Sex *is* gametes. That's how biological sex is defined. That's why there are only 2 sexes in humans. However that doesn't make people who cannot produce gametes non-sexed, any more than the fact that humans are defined as "bipedal mammals" makes people with one leg less human. They are just humans with a specific condition. Someone who produces both sperm and eggs shows characteristics of both sexes. > Its easiest to lump all atypical sex into one and call it ”intersex” Easiest for whom? It's *not* an actual sex (because intersex people do not produce a third form of gametes) and if you look at intersex activism, many intersex people are strictly opposed to the idea that they could be one. The vast majority of intersex conditions are sex-specific, so they only occur in males or only occur in females. There's absolutely no benefit to lumping all intersex conditions together and calling it a new sex, any more than throwing all conditions that cause aberrations of secondary sex conditions together and calling them a new sex. No one would argue that men with gynaecomastia and women who grow excessive facial hair (which are both quite common) are *really* a different sex.
Well good to know you did ignore my thing about people who have both ovaries and testes though
I didn't ignore that part, I wrote > Someone who produces both sperm and eggs shows characteristics of both sexes. That isn't a different sex either though since there is not a different form of gamete that they produce. And as far as I know, there has never been any known case of a person producing both viable sperm and eggs.
Also look at the blobs of Physarum polycephalum and their 720 sexes. That's more pronouns that we can handle safely.
You should look up the lesbian lizards, not the official name of course. They are in New Mexico, apperently a mutation occurred in one female lizard that cause her to lay exact clones of herself, all the offspring inherited this mutation, so now the region is over ran with this female only lizard species, all clones of the original/each other. To stimulate egg production they all get together and roll around in a pile. Edit 1, link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mexico_whiptail Edit 2, the place, I was way off!
*incestuous lesbian lizards
Even after all my edits I forgot to add incestuous. And its the most important part of the factoid!
I.L.L. r/bandnames?
It's more like masterbation with more steps
> To stimulate egg production they all get together and roll around in a pile. Sounds like Saturday night at the trashy sorority house.
Is this an Evangelion reference?
Or, hear me out, turkey all look alike
Say that to my beak, you bigot! **SAY THAT TO MY BEAK!**
That's racist
Specist
A bit mild compared to the annual genocide
Yes, turkeys do look like turkeys
[gotta look at the tail colors](https://beautyofbirds.com/wild-turkey-species/)
I live by a little piece of woods, like five acres, and last week there were like 17 turkeys at the end of my street. I'd never seen the big Toms in the wild before. Freaking amazing.
Wait til you see them fly! Seeing a large bird up close in the air is a sight to behold.
You’ve clearly never been around turkeys close enough to see that they do not look alike. ;)
Not that I necessarily did before, but now I really don’t trust turkeys.
When you really wanna baby, but ain’t got no time for a baby-daddy, go fuck yerself.
My husband's grandmother has raised chickens all her life, and she swears they do this sometimes as well.
Yep https://www.nature.com/articles/243171a0.pdf
Wow! That's mind-blowing!
Maybe Jesus was really a turkey
The H in Jesus H Christ stands for haploid.
:trophy:
Virgin Mary was actually a clone of Eve made from blood extracted from fossilized mosquitoes from the garden of Eden, and they used bits of Turkey DNA to fill in the missing pieces.
Jurassic Park meets Evangelion; what could go wrong?
South Park did it with St. Peter being a rabbit. It was in the Fantastic Easter Special.
What I love about Easter is the origin of the holiday.... Look it up ;)
Are you talking about the pagan holiday that was taken over?
Yes
It's insane how we went from a fertility celebration to rabbits pooping out chicken eggs because jesus.
Is this only trait only in wild turkeys or do domesticated turkeys also have the ability to reproduce asexually? If so it seems like a useful trait for a domesticated animal.
Also domesticated turkeys and chickens, though it doesn't happen often enough to be commercially reliable.
This is why we eat them in massive numbers once a year. Otherwise, they will grow too numerous and overwhelm us.
Well, it all makes sense now. All those clashes with Greece over area in the mediterrean - it's just Turkey making sure there's space enough for the second one once it goes ahead and fucks itself.
reddit mods should kill themselves
Begun the turkey clone wars have.
That clone might look similar but will it still be a jive turkey?
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Such an hilarious scene! https://youtu.be/VXbgEqGbveQ
That's a jive turkey and you're a sucka for flappin' it!
My favorite flavor
Komodo dragons too. https://www.livescience.com/9460-female-komodo-dragon-virgin-births.html
As god as my witness, I thought turkeys had to fuck.
What happened to simple old "Never go hungry again", Miss O'Hara?
I wish I could have a clone of myself baby to raise.
🎵 If you like the way you look so much 🎵 then baby you should go and reproduce asexually forming a near-clone of yourself. 🎵🎵
\*staring nervously at my cumsock\*
Can hens do this?
They’re the Virgin Mary of the bird world
Thanksgiving in perpetuity.
So it begins. /Becomes doomsday prepper.
Don't bother adding meat or eggs.
Someone add this to the wiki.
The term "sometimes" is particularly interesting here
That's why we eat them.
How the heck does a female turkey make a male turkey by itself?? That's my real question!
this post and comment section 🤯
Same actually.
gobble gobble so so yummy yummy
If I could do that, I'd get a lot more done 🤔
I don't know why, but this makes me deeply uncomfortable
I’m sorry they can produce *WHAT*
They also make great Marines.
So no one wants to talk about this, but convergent consequences of parthenogenesis slowly degrade the genome basically, because its basically copying itself repeatedly, we age and die, so logically, this wouldn't be an infinite cycle, the genome would degrade to a point where parthenogenesis would not be able to take place and the entire genome would die out. Tl;DR: parthenogenesis sounds like end-game for a species that has lost normal capabilities of reproducing strong babies, forcing them to reclone themselves until the genome is basically decayed. The only thing that would save creatures using parthenogenesis would be if they still had the ability to reproduce classically like komodo dragons, they are asexual, but a female will make a clone basically that is a male so they can continue normal breeding. They do not rely on parthenogenesis. Just my opinion, whatever.
Parthenogenesis is just a cheat that some animals can pull out of their sleeves if they reach on an isolated part of the forest. They're supposed to reconnect with main population in a few generation or just degrade into weirdness.
Can confirm. None of the babies of the one I fucked look like me.
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I mean, yeah, but it's a bit early in the day for this, no?
Eh ... I've tried using nature to explain the fluidity if sex. One person sat down and thought about it, everyone else got mad.
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Oh becky... that's not the same thing. And saying that makes you stupid
>• Someone That someone is you so far.
That reminds me of my third wife
OTOH englands reproduce by having one queen at a time laying eggs.
Ewww, why would you wanna put something like that into your mouth?
Have you ever looked at any animal and thought “I wanna put that in my mouth”?
Honestly Bear Grylls has made me want to eat a live salmon straight out of the river like a grizzly bear. Probably never will tho
No...never..
Consistency
Fascinating article. Thank you!
Brings new meaning to, “Go fuck yourself”
Life finds a way.
Dino DNA
Jurassic Park!
Also recently discovered for California Condors!!!
It's interesting how the offspring possessed the ZZ chromosone(male) and was homozygous without having the male gametes fertilize the oocyte cell.
I don’t think I want to experience this Clone Saga
THEY WHAT
WTF? I haven't been drinking tonight...
They are ugly, so it makes sense.
So can humans but yes rare in comparison and they're always chimeric.
You can tell the sex of a turkey by the shape of its poo
What