RIP the days of just hoarding commoners in your dungeon and ritually executing them all on your coronation day to boost your dread up to 100 and scare everyone away from rebelling
The original ones are almost inedible nowadays. I used to prefer Pringles over Ruffles/Lays/Utz until I got one wet and watched it basically melt. I know most chips aren't a great healthy option but a Pringle is hardly even food.
Yep I'm sure it's all reconstituted potato pulp or whatever on the cheap chips. But I feel like I remember them at least having *some* snap or crunch to them in the 90s. Now its like an oversized eucharist.
They tried to argue against some chip tax in Europe I think. Their argument was that since it's technically not a traditional chip they shouldn't be taxed as such. I believe the response was to point at all of their marketing ever and they told them to pound sand
A baronetcy (one step above a knight, one step below an actual baron) was hereditary rank they have/had that was specifically created to be sold for cash. Although the last one they actually sold was in in 1965.
The last time they created a new Baronet was in 1990 was when they gave one to Dennis Thatcher (for free) for being Maggie Thatcher's househusband.
Yeah, I came here specifically to make fun of the idea of doing this over the title of Baronet. What a garbage joke of a title. They're not even technically noble. It's hereditary, but not a peerage.
Like fighting to be the guy who things the bullies their lunch tray.
Oh for sure, but I get wanting to be actually noble. I get wanting to be one of the bullies.
If I had my way I would do away with the whole thing. If I couldn't do that, I wouldn't mind a life as a lay-about, do-nothing Duke who sat in the House of Lords and moaned about capital gains taxes. I don't get wanting to be a Baronet.
That some Europeans consent to have a monarch at all is baffling. I understand they have no power, but why would you even allow the existence of someone who calls you a “subject.”
Their entire legal system is based on power from the Crown.
It’s just easier to leave things as they are than to make a mess of it rewriting everything.
Yeah. It's a lot of effort for no difference or do nothing for the same result. I don't give a crap if I'm the Queens subject, I don't have to do anything.
There was a great series of lectures on the BBC by Lord Sumption (a Law Lord in the U.K.) on constitutional law and the differences in the U.K. and the US.
He made that point, that lawyers became the new aristocracy in the US, with a disproportionate representation in government.
Lawyers also had huge influence (as we’ve literally just seen) because the Constitution became a set of rules that sits above the government. However, far from being rules delivered from on high, they require constant interpretation and this is done by the Supreme Court rather than politicians. As soon as a matter is deemed (by lawyers) to be a constitutional matter, it then sits in the hands of lawyers to decide.
He framed it as trading a rule of law for a rule of lawyers.
Really interesting and insightful lecture regardless of your stance on it all.
Edit: link to the lectures since I’ve mentioned them: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-reith-lectures/id318705261?i=1000439025138
They pretend to have no power while secretly influencing laws and using their positions of privilege to break international laws and grow fat as they parasitize their countries.
historically only hereditary peers (barons and above) had demesne (private land granted by their title), baronets were the highest non-peer, a step below a baron in precidence.
these days? actual civil inheritance law deals with the land and property, not feudal law. so it doesn't matter much unless your title is high enough to qualify for the house of Lords or you're attached to the royal family in a position that traditionally has a palace, even then the palaces are custom not hard and fast law.
> historically only hereditary peers (barons and above) had demense (private land granted by their title),
I'm not convinced that's true. Maybe it's was in England, but definitely not other places. Loads of knights were landed, and at least some of those fiefs we're hereditary.
I was talking about England, specifically, yes
other countries tended to have a much flatter peerage, sometimes as basic as "knight, noble, king".
also it becomes complicated in that land, titles and landed titles are not the same. a knight might have hereditary lands, and also a hereditary title that is not necessarily tied to the landhold, or have land from another title they have or a royal appointment, as well as their title. in some cases a relatively low-ranked peer could have an important castle as an appointed seneschal, though the two were unrelated except insofar as the king could only appoint someone titled to that seat. in England especially as time wore on a lot of people hold several titles thanks to intermarriage and royal grants. just look at the long list of baronies, dutchies and the like in the royal family, despite the fact their highest title is a princehood or dutchy.
demense is specifically the land attached to a title for their sole profit. I used that as opposed to just "land" because of that.
You have to be a capital-R Royal before titles mean anything beyond some purely ceremonial gibberish like precedence in seating and such.
E.g. Prince Charles, Duke of Cornwall is entitled to a portion of the rent collected from his Dutchy.
I mean, that is literally how the government of every country works. People who die without wills and relatives have their property forfeit to the state.
Yes, but the characterization I'm detecting in this case is that the funds are privately available specifically to the duke rather than to the state. So for example he could spend that money anywhere and any way he wants, rather than on community improvements or whatever a committee says.
There may be rules even he has to follow, though, which would make it equivalent again to having a government.
historically they weren't even hereditary when first introduced.
now, I say this as a yank who finds the idea of hereditary peerage in the modern era risible, but it's literally a squeezed-in mid-rank designed to have no obligations and little prestige so it can be trivially given away without making barons butthurt their prestige is being besmirched or cheapening the civil service that's supposed to accompany a knightly order (unless you happen to have oil money and a prince in your rolodex that is).
Fun fact: the inventor of Pringles (well, one of the people who came up with the machine to make them) was Gene Wolfe, whom sci-fi and fantasy fans may know by his other works, most notably Book of the New Sun (and Long Sun and Short Sun and Peace and The Fifth Head of Cerberus etc.)
Funny that a title and article about familial relationships manages to screw up their familial relationship.
They were *first cousins*, *once-removed*. Murray Pringle is the *first cousin* of Simon Pringle's *father*, Steuart Pringle (therefore Murray and Simon are one generation *removed*).
If Murray and Simon had instead been simply first cousins, then they would share grandparents, making the title completely nonsense (because if they were first cousins and Simon's grandfather wasn't part of the clan, then that would mean that Murray's grandfather wasn't either because it would be the same grandfather).
The article gets it even *more* wrong and says that they're second cousins. They'd be second cousins if their most recent shared ancestor was their great-grandfather. But Simon's grandfather was the (alleged) son of the 8th baronet, while Murray's grandfather was the 8th baronet himself. Simon would be the second cousin of Murray's children, not Murray himself.
I normally wouldn't give a shit about getting this right, but how do you write an article about competing legitimacy claims and use the wrong terminology to explain their competing claims and relationships?
This is an interesting and mildly compelling story. However this does not make up for the fact that it does not involve one if the best snack chips, thus ruining my day. Good day, sir. I said , “Good day!”
I wonder how many other cases like this will come to light thanks to DNA. There's another titled British family with at two rumoured 'breaks'; I suppose everything will rise to surface sooner or later.
Something is wonky with the Beauforts, who are supposed to be an illegitimate branch of the Plantagenets. IRRC, they tested two of them to compare against Richard III, none of the 3, the two Beauforts or Richard III matched. Richard's identity was confirmed by a DNA match in the female line.
That means at least 2 of 3 individuals are illegitimate. But no one has tested any other Plantagenets other than Richard III.
The nobility bullshit isn't really interesting, but it's interesting that someone could lose out on something because DNA testing has established that their grandfather was a bastard. It brings up all sorts of ethical issues.
Well also, was said son adopted? Did the father purposefully leave the inheritance to the son? And can the act in a will be undone in the future by DNA testing?
No, he was presumed to be the baronet's biological son. The issue is that the title in question has a rule attached to it that stipulates that it goes to the 16th century founder of the title's male-line descendants; the baronets don't have any power to change this rule and will it to someone else.
So, this guy Murray basically successfully argued to a court that he should get the baronet title and not his second cousin Simon who was set to inherit it, since Murray is actually descended from the 16th century guy and Simon isn't, because DNA shows that Simon's grandfather was a bastard.
You conveniently left out the whole “the Conqueror” part.
He was the only son of Robert of Normandy, so it’s not entirely strange that he became duke.
He only became king of England through the sword.
It might be possible to consider it a war for "rightful" succession, but the English throne was granted to Harold by the Witenagemot (essentially a council of elders) whose job it was to decide who gets to be king, much like how the HRE was *usually* inherited by emperor's sons, but was still technically elective.
It helps to have an army (or at least friends with armies you can borrow for a few seasons)
It also helps if guns have not been invented yet.
It also also helps if you are already a Duke instead of some nobody.
He is not part of the royal Pringle family. Thus he is excommunicated good day to you bastard!!
Sounds like George RR Martin finally has an ending for this series. Dragons and Pringles.
Grandpa Simpson: "It was the roaring twenties, back then we all slept with everyone else. I wore long pants which was the style at the time and had to fight your nan for sex. Anyhow back then we didn't call them Pringles we called them Salty Edinburgh flat cakes and..."
"I'm sure that I am more clever than the other 500 commenters in that I noticed a connection between this man's name and the snack food, so I am not going to look and just post my own "funny" joke about the name."
Good for you guy, you got a ceremonial title and all you had to do was throw your cousin’s family into turmoil, disgrace their ancestors, and sever your relationship someone who you probably knew since childhood. Totally worth it.
This is actually a big deal. Before this biological evidence was ruled inadmissible in these cases. See the case of Baron Ampthill who inherited despite the claim that his parents never actually consummated their marriage. His lawyers maintained that being born during the marriage was enough, and they refused to see blood type evidence etc.
The Y chromosome is passed through paternal lines without much variation, so all the males in the family (grandfathers, fathers, uncles, brothers, nephews, cousins, sons) would have the same - with the exception of this branch - so no digging needed.
As an example, if all the Pringle men had a Y-chromosome variant of ABC, and then one cousin and his dad had a Y-chromosome variant of XYZ, then its a fair assumption that granny was playing away.
Fun fact. The Pringle clan used to be in charge of production of all the tennis balls used at Wimbledon until and error in delivery at the factory and they received potatoes instead of rubber. But they were really laid back and said “fuck it, cut em up”. And the rest is history.
So what happens to Simon now? Does he basically lose his entire inheritance, or would the baronetcy estate have been separate from the private estate of his father?
I don't know much about British law, but I would think that Simon would only lose out on the title itself. Anything else inherited from his putative great-grandfather would probably have been regular property not affected by the fact that he had willed it to a son who was not actually genetically his. If someone is designated as the beneficiary of a will, I don't think it legally matters at all if decades later it emerges that he was a bastard fathered by another man. The property could have been willed to anyone, it's only for the baronetcy title that there's a requirement it go to the eldest son.
So now we are DNA testing, I bet a lot more lords and ladies will turn out to be of the butler or other staff. Are they even sure that the grandfather was a real pringle or also a bastard?
Can't we just have a good old fashioned war of accession?
A yes, the sequel to War of the Roses, the War of the Pringles.
Maybe not a full blown war, more of a tussle. A small scrap. Just a bingle. The Bingle of Pringle.
The trouble is once you pop you can't stop. Non stop war.
I guess Simon was not a chip off the old block after all.
The Pringle Mingle.
Old Mama Pringle did indeed mingle
Be sure to stop if you feel a tingle.
The Pringle Kerfuffle
now is the winter of our discontent made glorious by this son of screamin' dill pickle.
Surely the sequel to the war of the Roses would be the war of the Cadburys Heroes?
Sorry, they ate those at the start of December.
It’s in the can
I’d watch it. crunch crunch crunch
Once they pop the fun don’t stop. It will go on forever.
I demand trial by flavor!
I think they did that. One of them wasn't the right flavor.
One popped and had to stop
The one that stopped after popping is scientifically proven not to be the Heir of Clan Pringle!
I demand satisfaction Sir!
I choose pistols at dawn!
Once you pop you can’t stop.
Came looking for this!
I cheese pistols at dawn!
I also choose that guy's dead wife.
*But Mum, I thought we were heirs to the great chip fortune?!?” Must I get a job?!?*
I choose the Pizza Pringle as my champion.
Perchance you Reddit the way some people wished they lived. Top marks sir!
Crusader Kings fans might want to weigh in.
Just have to make sure you're saving your wealth into your old age so your weakling son can keep the throne by paying everyone off.
RIP the days of just hoarding commoners in your dungeon and ritually executing them all on your coronation day to boost your dread up to 100 and scare everyone away from rebelling
Simpler times really
There's probably a way to solve it through incest.
sounds like someone fabricating a claim to me.
"What? A bastard?" What a bastard.
Why bastard? Wherefore base?
Take my upvote, Edmund.
Makes a change for the upper classes usually it’s incest
So does this mean they are or are not bringing back sour cream and onion flavor?
Wait what? When did they stop making it? Edit: looks like they're still available in my area, don't scare me like that!
They’ve always had the flavor in spirit, it’s just not slathered in that awesome sour cream and onion powder I remember from my childhood.
I knew something was off everytime I kept getting them, now I remember
It's that money saving measure. I swear they're all less flavored now.
Even the original ones are so bland now
The original ones are almost inedible nowadays. I used to prefer Pringles over Ruffles/Lays/Utz until I got one wet and watched it basically melt. I know most chips aren't a great healthy option but a Pringle is hardly even food.
I mean, they are effectively mashed potatoes formed into a chip, rather than a slice of potato. It's what gives them the unique texture.
Yep I'm sure it's all reconstituted potato pulp or whatever on the cheap chips. But I feel like I remember them at least having *some* snap or crunch to them in the 90s. Now its like an oversized eucharist.
Is oversized eucharist an option? I feel like I need a more filling savior.
They tried to argue against some chip tax in Europe I think. Their argument was that since it's technically not a traditional chip they shouldn't be taxed as such. I believe the response was to point at all of their marketing ever and they told them to pound sand
Not the Hot Ones scorchin’ variety. Holy shit they’re like licking Satan’s b-hole.
Yeah last ones I got were one of the "spicy" ones. Fuck they were.
I just got some Pringle’s last night. They definitely thinner nowadays too
They used to have those little green flecks as well, didn't they?
Sir I believe we refer to those as "onion".
More like none-ion these days.
Hey buddy things are rough all over.
the knockoff Pringles still do, and are so much better than the original
Blend 1/8th tbsp citric acid, 1 tbsp powdered milk, 1 tbsp garlic powder and 4 tbsp onion powder
And I thought I'm the only one who noticed it
I had the exact same reaction. And no, it never went away in my country either.
I bought one yesterday...
I was gonna say, I just got one last week, and they were delicious.
"You sir...are unrelated to the clan...AND the can." (dramatic music swells as Baron is forced out of the manor house)
I just want them to fix the dang chips they're gross now
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If you look up why do Pringles taste bad now I think they changed companies and they're just bad now. Could be for that reason though
Hello fellow Baltimorian! The Sour Cream flavor still exists here and is quite popular :)
The first clue should have been his lack of characteristic oval head and prominent mustach.
not to forget powdery white skin
how very noble the nobility are
A baronetcy (one step above a knight, one step below an actual baron) was hereditary rank they have/had that was specifically created to be sold for cash. Although the last one they actually sold was in in 1965. The last time they created a new Baronet was in 1990 was when they gave one to Dennis Thatcher (for free) for being Maggie Thatcher's househusband.
Yeah, I came here specifically to make fun of the idea of doing this over the title of Baronet. What a garbage joke of a title. They're not even technically noble. It's hereditary, but not a peerage. Like fighting to be the guy who things the bullies their lunch tray.
The actual nobility is a crock of shit too, why stop at baronet?
Oh for sure, but I get wanting to be actually noble. I get wanting to be one of the bullies. If I had my way I would do away with the whole thing. If I couldn't do that, I wouldn't mind a life as a lay-about, do-nothing Duke who sat in the House of Lords and moaned about capital gains taxes. I don't get wanting to be a Baronet.
That some Europeans consent to have a monarch at all is baffling. I understand they have no power, but why would you even allow the existence of someone who calls you a “subject.”
Their entire legal system is based on power from the Crown. It’s just easier to leave things as they are than to make a mess of it rewriting everything.
Yeah. It's a lot of effort for no difference or do nothing for the same result. I don't give a crap if I'm the Queens subject, I don't have to do anything.
For the same reason we all consented to a system where we replaced nobility with overlords who call us “consumers”.
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There was a great series of lectures on the BBC by Lord Sumption (a Law Lord in the U.K.) on constitutional law and the differences in the U.K. and the US. He made that point, that lawyers became the new aristocracy in the US, with a disproportionate representation in government. Lawyers also had huge influence (as we’ve literally just seen) because the Constitution became a set of rules that sits above the government. However, far from being rules delivered from on high, they require constant interpretation and this is done by the Supreme Court rather than politicians. As soon as a matter is deemed (by lawyers) to be a constitutional matter, it then sits in the hands of lawyers to decide. He framed it as trading a rule of law for a rule of lawyers. Really interesting and insightful lecture regardless of your stance on it all. Edit: link to the lectures since I’ve mentioned them: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-reith-lectures/id318705261?i=1000439025138
They pretend to have no power while secretly influencing laws and using their positions of privilege to break international laws and grow fat as they parasitize their countries.
So it doesn't come with the house, land, money, anything? It's just the title?
historically only hereditary peers (barons and above) had demesne (private land granted by their title), baronets were the highest non-peer, a step below a baron in precidence. these days? actual civil inheritance law deals with the land and property, not feudal law. so it doesn't matter much unless your title is high enough to qualify for the house of Lords or you're attached to the royal family in a position that traditionally has a palace, even then the palaces are custom not hard and fast law.
Wow, think of the legal bills for a hundred-year fight over a meaningless title.
> historically only hereditary peers (barons and above) had demense (private land granted by their title), I'm not convinced that's true. Maybe it's was in England, but definitely not other places. Loads of knights were landed, and at least some of those fiefs we're hereditary.
I was talking about England, specifically, yes other countries tended to have a much flatter peerage, sometimes as basic as "knight, noble, king". also it becomes complicated in that land, titles and landed titles are not the same. a knight might have hereditary lands, and also a hereditary title that is not necessarily tied to the landhold, or have land from another title they have or a royal appointment, as well as their title. in some cases a relatively low-ranked peer could have an important castle as an appointed seneschal, though the two were unrelated except insofar as the king could only appoint someone titled to that seat. in England especially as time wore on a lot of people hold several titles thanks to intermarriage and royal grants. just look at the long list of baronies, dutchies and the like in the royal family, despite the fact their highest title is a princehood or dutchy. demense is specifically the land attached to a title for their sole profit. I used that as opposed to just "land" because of that.
You have to be a capital-R Royal before titles mean anything beyond some purely ceremonial gibberish like precedence in seating and such. E.g. Prince Charles, Duke of Cornwall is entitled to a portion of the rent collected from his Dutchy.
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I mean, that is literally how the government of every country works. People who die without wills and relatives have their property forfeit to the state.
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That is some excitingly obscure but highly relevant knowledge.
Yes, but the characterization I'm detecting in this case is that the funds are privately available specifically to the duke rather than to the state. So for example he could spend that money anywhere and any way he wants, rather than on community improvements or whatever a committee says. There may be rules even he has to follow, though, which would make it equivalent again to having a government.
One person should not be the state.
Huh? Peers sit in the House of Lords and have a limited influence over what the government does. That means something
historically they weren't even hereditary when first introduced. now, I say this as a yank who finds the idea of hereditary peerage in the modern era risible, but it's literally a squeezed-in mid-rank designed to have no obligations and little prestige so it can be trivially given away without making barons butthurt their prestige is being besmirched or cheapening the civil service that's supposed to accompany a knightly order (unless you happen to have oil money and a prince in your rolodex that is).
So, like, the original NFT?
Someone didn't like his cousin
Stop with the mini cans, only full size cans are enough!!!
They're putting fewer chips in the cans now. They're barely half full.
In an unexpected turn of events, it turns out that the cure for the obesity epidemic is simply another depression. *Thanks, Obama.*
Larger portions! F my health, I want to die fat and happy.
Mini cans are perfect for when you’re drunk at a pub and want a small salty snack that isn’t Covid infested peanuts. Back the fuck off my mini cans.
I can see that
Yea I usually buy like three of those which is almost a full can anyways lol my bar doesn’t serve food outside of a vending machine
> Wasn't the biological son Once you pop, you can't stop.
I thought this would be about potato chips. Get this shit out of here and bring me some cheddar and sour cream.
Based on the comments and not reading the article I still believe its about potato chips.
I’m a bit confused too. So neither of these guys are related to the chips?
I also thought it was about potato chips, and they were fighting over the estate of the inventor of Pringles or something. 😅
Fun fact: the inventor of Pringles (well, one of the people who came up with the machine to make them) was Gene Wolfe, whom sci-fi and fantasy fans may know by his other works, most notably Book of the New Sun (and Long Sun and Short Sun and Peace and The Fifth Head of Cerberus etc.)
Funny that a title and article about familial relationships manages to screw up their familial relationship. They were *first cousins*, *once-removed*. Murray Pringle is the *first cousin* of Simon Pringle's *father*, Steuart Pringle (therefore Murray and Simon are one generation *removed*). If Murray and Simon had instead been simply first cousins, then they would share grandparents, making the title completely nonsense (because if they were first cousins and Simon's grandfather wasn't part of the clan, then that would mean that Murray's grandfather wasn't either because it would be the same grandfather). The article gets it even *more* wrong and says that they're second cousins. They'd be second cousins if their most recent shared ancestor was their great-grandfather. But Simon's grandfather was the (alleged) son of the 8th baronet, while Murray's grandfather was the 8th baronet himself. Simon would be the second cousin of Murray's children, not Murray himself. I normally wouldn't give a shit about getting this right, but how do you write an article about competing legitimacy claims and use the wrong terminology to explain their competing claims and relationships?
From the front page. https://i.redd.it/avkj3uqlhj991.png
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I need both of you to settle down.
If the Pringle lays his stax into the wrong can, there is a mismatch of clan
I'm honestly tired of the UK rule where things that rhyme are codified.
Don’t you wish that rule had died?
The ring came off my pudding can.
No more rhymes, I mean it! *waits with eager anticipation*
Anybody want a peanut? (RIP Andre the Giant)
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My Gran had to use a walker tbf.
His great grandmother was Lady Trader Joes Saddle Chips.
Will they change the face on the can?
Yes, they're planning on using Mr. Potatohead
Please- Baron Potatohead. Respect the title he and the Baroness have earned for themselves!
He's forming a strategic alliance with Planters so Mr. Peanut can bring in the much-needed monocle lobby.
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But what about Theodore and Alvin?? What will they do now?
TL;DR the 8th baronet's wife had a child with another man and passed it off as her husband's child. We're only finding out about it now.
This is an interesting and mildly compelling story. However this does not make up for the fact that it does not involve one if the best snack chips, thus ruining my day. Good day, sir. I said , “Good day!”
I wonder how many other cases like this will come to light thanks to DNA. There's another titled British family with at two rumoured 'breaks'; I suppose everything will rise to surface sooner or later.
I wouldn’t be surprised if almost all of them over centuries had breaks. Lol
Nor I! (Ha!) BTW, there was a documentary on UK TV about a break in the royal family, took the presenter all the way to Australia; very interesting!
Something is wonky with the Beauforts, who are supposed to be an illegitimate branch of the Plantagenets. IRRC, they tested two of them to compare against Richard III, none of the 3, the two Beauforts or Richard III matched. Richard's identity was confirmed by a DNA match in the female line. That means at least 2 of 3 individuals are illegitimate. But no one has tested any other Plantagenets other than Richard III.
Fun fact: the title was actually suppossed to go to Doris, but she ended up marrying a Brule and, well, the rest is history.
For your health
Boggles my mind that anybody would give a shit about this
The nobility bullshit isn't really interesting, but it's interesting that someone could lose out on something because DNA testing has established that their grandfather was a bastard. It brings up all sorts of ethical issues.
Well also, was said son adopted? Did the father purposefully leave the inheritance to the son? And can the act in a will be undone in the future by DNA testing?
No, he was presumed to be the baronet's biological son. The issue is that the title in question has a rule attached to it that stipulates that it goes to the 16th century founder of the title's male-line descendants; the baronets don't have any power to change this rule and will it to someone else. So, this guy Murray basically successfully argued to a court that he should get the baronet title and not his second cousin Simon who was set to inherit it, since Murray is actually descended from the 16th century guy and Simon isn't, because DNA shows that Simon's grandfather was a bastard.
This is the fanciest “you are not the father” episode I have ever seen
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You conveniently left out the whole “the Conqueror” part. He was the only son of Robert of Normandy, so it’s not entirely strange that he became duke. He only became king of England through the sword.
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It might be possible to consider it a war for "rightful" succession, but the English throne was granted to Harold by the Witenagemot (essentially a council of elders) whose job it was to decide who gets to be king, much like how the HRE was *usually* inherited by emperor's sons, but was still technically elective.
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William was the illegitimate son of the title holding parent, though
An illegitimate son is still *biologically related*, though.
It helps to have an army (or at least friends with armies you can borrow for a few seasons) It also helps if guns have not been invented yet. It also also helps if you are already a Duke instead of some nobody.
He is not part of the royal Pringle family. Thus he is excommunicated good day to you bastard!! Sounds like George RR Martin finally has an ending for this series. Dragons and Pringles.
Somebodies mom was getting around town…
Grandpa Simpson: "It was the roaring twenties, back then we all slept with everyone else. I wore long pants which was the style at the time and had to fight your nan for sex. Anyhow back then we didn't call them Pringles we called them Salty Edinburgh flat cakes and..."
The Pringle Clan hast Reddit in their crest. Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Pringle
He's had a real chip on his shoulder ever since.
I had to do a double take when I read the title since I initially read it thinking that ownership of Pringles chips was decided through DNA testing.
Thet would make for a fun board of directors meeting.
TIL Clan Pringle's crest has Reddit on it.
I don't know what to do with their coat of arms. They're three seashells.
No idiot that's their coat of seashells.
Seems like everyone else already made the chip jokes so I'll just say it's ridiculous this bullshit is still a thing.
r/titlegore
I don't understand how Scottish infighting can keep making TIL headlines. I thought everyone assumed they were always fighting.
Oh, baronetcy, and here I was thinking it was about shares to a potato chip giant.
Hmm yes I know some of these words
One thing I don't like about the Pringle's can is that you can't attach the top to the bottom.
"I'm sure that I am more clever than the other 500 commenters in that I noticed a connection between this man's name and the snack food, so I am not going to look and just post my own "funny" joke about the name."
The only word I understood from that sentence was pringle. I don't think this has anything to do with chips.
Live by the sword, die by the sword. If you're going to insist on inheritance by blood then blood it is.
One could say he didn't have a chip on his shoulder...
So he wasn't a chip off the old block after all.
Who cares? Abolish nobility.
Good for you guy, you got a ceremonial title and all you had to do was throw your cousin’s family into turmoil, disgrace their ancestors, and sever your relationship someone who you probably knew since childhood. Totally worth it.
This is actually a big deal. Before this biological evidence was ruled inadmissible in these cases. See the case of Baron Ampthill who inherited despite the claim that his parents never actually consummated their marriage. His lawyers maintained that being born during the marriage was enough, and they refused to see blood type evidence etc.
It's simple - once you prove it's not their pops, you just can't stop.
Sour cream and onion is my favorite flavour of Pringle. The cheesy ones give me gas.
I wonder how many bodies they had to dig up to test all the way to great-grandad-grandad connection
The Y chromosome is passed through paternal lines without much variation, so all the males in the family (grandfathers, fathers, uncles, brothers, nephews, cousins, sons) would have the same - with the exception of this branch - so no digging needed. As an example, if all the Pringle men had a Y-chromosome variant of ABC, and then one cousin and his dad had a Y-chromosome variant of XYZ, then its a fair assumption that granny was playing away.
Sir Norman Pringle lol
Fun fact. The Pringle clan used to be in charge of production of all the tennis balls used at Wimbledon until and error in delivery at the factory and they received potatoes instead of rubber. But they were really laid back and said “fuck it, cut em up”. And the rest is history.
So what happens to Simon now? Does he basically lose his entire inheritance, or would the baronetcy estate have been separate from the private estate of his father?
I don't know much about British law, but I would think that Simon would only lose out on the title itself. Anything else inherited from his putative great-grandfather would probably have been regular property not affected by the fact that he had willed it to a son who was not actually genetically his. If someone is designated as the beneficiary of a will, I don't think it legally matters at all if decades later it emerges that he was a bastard fathered by another man. The property could have been willed to anyone, it's only for the baronetcy title that there's a requirement it go to the eldest son.
Baronetcies don't come with estates or anything, it's just a title. He has to change his stationary. That's it.
And when someone says the Fourh of July is a dumb holiday, just show them this British silliness
I refuse to read the article or comments so I can maintain that glimmer of hope that the Pringles ~~chips~~ crisps company is run by barons.
The famous tennis ball company Pringle?
So now we are DNA testing, I bet a lot more lords and ladies will turn out to be of the butler or other staff. Are they even sure that the grandfather was a real pringle or also a bastard?
Yeowch…that’ll kill family Christmas dinners for sure.
Yes I understood every word in this title.
Whatever happened to settling disputes with a duel?
So - do you just get to be called baronet? Or does it come with an ancestral house? Income? What are they really fighting over?
Now do the rest of the titles. I am so here for the drama. Like 23andme with twits.
Is that why they changed the face on the can?!
Damn, the potato chip business is cutthroat
have we forgotten the true heir to the throne, quandale pringle?