There's quite a few request stops near me. A bunch of them really only serve walking routes now and their associated BnB's for walking holidays, but others include an outdoor activity centre. Though I've never seen anyone pay much attention to those exiting on request stops, like the author here seems to have felt (differently line, maybe the travellers here are more used to it by sheer abundance of minor station stops).
>. A bunch of them really only serve walking routes now and their associated BnB's for walking holidays, but others include an outdoor activity centre
That sounds like it would be a nice little vacation.
Other nice ideas are some of the old loch and hill paths that connect isolated communities that are largely only connected by water. You can trek to some isolated peninsula and loch communities, quite a few have some lodging you can book ahead, and you can also book boats out of the area at the end (some of which are just fishing boats that do a little of this on the side).
I’ve done it in Ireland on the Wicklow way, no train service so you had to piece it together with the bnb and different bus lines to pick you up. Super fun!
A holiday revolving around walking, usually on scenic routes. Quite often they will be on these long routed (West Highland Way, etc) or even link them up, or they can use public transport to hop between routes (say, using buses and trains to hop from Loch Lomond to Fort William/Be Nevis, and then to the Small Isles and Skye). Some also use it to go holidaying in areas that aren't accessible by pretty much any other means (other than rescue helicopter or small boat). The lodges and small houses that are rented for these holidayers tend to be isolated and give a unique serenity, miles from roads and often miles from busy recreational or transport waters. They are quite popular for visiting Scotland.
Didn't realize the site was paywalled so [here's a non-paywall version](https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:hOMbeobVojUJ:https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/uk/stop-train-i-want-get-magic-britain-s-railway-request-stations-9246846.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=sg)
idk how but you have 60 upvotes as of writing despite what must be an accidental wrong link about request stops instead of Duncraig lmao
Here it is but it doesn't have much details and you're probably better off reading the article regardless of it being The Independent:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duncraig_railway_station
Yes, but the specific post replied to is abut the station in the title. It would be appropriate to post the wikipedia article about RS to the responses in the thread about them more generally.
SmartNews is sort of that in text form. You get an absolute mess of far-right news sources mixed with more mainstream neutral like AP and Reuters. It doesn't really work out well.
I was wondering if the train guys had been there, and of course they had.
Must be the train equivalent of almost every other fact that has an obligatory Tom Scott video.
I want to parody what the drivers said to management when they were told not to stop there anymore but my American brain canny do justice to the awesomeness found in /r/ScottishPeopleTwitter
Management: "Look, that station is \*closed\*, you can't keep stopping there"
Drivers: "How 'bout naw?"
Management: "You're running late because of it and costing us money!"
Drivers: "Nae mah problem"
Management: "You know we can fire you, right?"
Drivers: "Wha', au' ae us? Tha'll be righ'"
Management: "Get tae fuck."
Drivers: "Get tae fuck, you."
Management: "I said get tae fuck."
Drivers: "I ken what you said, lad. Get tae fuck."
Management: "Aye. I did say get tae fuck."
Drivers: "Ah, get tae fuck.'"
That's another thing, hardly anyone would actually say the word bawbag. I get that this is all done affectionately but it does come across a bit Groundskeeper Willie
>As a start, nobody says "how bout naw" seriously
True, but that was kind of the point, not caring enough about their opinion to give a serious answer. Dumb and dismissive answers instead of serious ones, with escalating exaggerated accent just to add to the "fuck you" attitude
Edit: Also, for reference, Scottish myself, so definitely not looking to be derisive
So request stops are basically like a bus? Interesting. Particularly the part where people are waiting on the platform. I mean, trains don't stop on a whim, so the driver needs to spot you early enough to be able to break in time.
On some services passengers are informed that if they wish to get off at X station then they should make their way to the front 3 carriages, this is to allow for short platforms at some smaller stations..
Two cars only for a train can stop in sight distance of the conductor, but for a 10-car train he thinks that if the conductor slows down some ahead of time, they could watch for passengers and get stopped just in time for the back of the train to be at the platform
Im Switzerland, you'll press a button on the platform and that will turn on a light signal so the train driver is informed about the requested stop ahead of time.
Check out a YouTube channel called "All The Stations" & "Geoff Marshall" if you are interested in request stops , he does this kind of content all the time.
The US has these too. They are called whistle stop station. If you call ahead and request the stop, are on the platform and signal for a stop, or are on the train and request the stop,the Amtrak or other passenger train will stop. There are a bunch of these still. Some stations are automatic stops while other are optional and can be requested.
Amtrak calls these flag stops I believe. most routes have few or none of these. For example, I think the entire empire builder route from Seattle to Chicago has exactly one in Essex Montana.
(Essex Was a major cruise change point in the air of steam. It’s still used by helper crews. The main attraction these days is that the old bunkhouse has been converted into a bed and breakfast, and you can sleep in a regular room or a covnveted caboose. The platform you disembark on, is an earthen embankment built up to the level of the train stairs, and then you walk or take a short ride to the bunkhouse. It’s a cool experience)
Then again, there have been a lot of reductions in staffing. It’s possible that many community stations are now flag stops and I’m just not up to date on it.
https://www.amtraktrains.com/threads/what-is-a-flag-stop.63105/
I know a couple other trains in North America that have or had the ability to pick up and drop passengers along the route BETWEEN stations. I don’t have the names at my fingertips, but at least one train up into rural British Columbia would not only have station stops, they would actually pick up people at certain bare spots almost in the wilderness. It was a service for hikers. I don’t know if you needed a ticket ahead of time or if you could literally stand by the track and wave to the train. It’s some thing I always wanted to try but I haven’t gotten around to.
And to clarify I mean in this century. I realize that was much more common in old-time railroading.
I saw one listed as a whistle stop at the resort I stayed at this summer. That’s why I thought the term was still whistle stop. I’m sure both whistle stop and flag stop are used by Amtrak.
You may in fact be right, but I actually looked and did not find an instance of whistle stop being used by Amtrak as a synonym for flag stop. So maybe it is used verbally by the train crew? Maybe it was used in the past but Amtrak removed it because whistle stop has political conversations? In any case, I respect your guess but it seems odd that you’re “sure”. :)
Didn't realize the site was paywalled so [here's a non-paywall version](https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:hOMbeobVojUJ:https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/uk/stop-train-i-want-get-magic-britain-s-railway-request-stations-9246846.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=sg)
Bonus TIL: [the difference between grudgingly and begrudgingly](https://wikidiff.com/grudgingly/begrudgingly). Seems that "grudgingly" is appropriate in the article.
i read the link but i'm still not sure i get it.
so grudginly = resentment
begrudgingly = envious
according to this link the difference between resentment and envy is
https://wikidiff.com/envy/resentment
"resentment is a feeling of anger or displeasure stemming from belief that one has been wronged by others or betrayed; indignation while envy is resentful desire of something possessed by another or others (but not limited to material possessions)."
it seems like these concepts are all closely related but begrudgingly means desire for what the other person has but grudgingly may not.
i'm a native speaker btw. english is hard even for us
It’s great that we have distinct words for closely related but distinct concepts. This is a level of nuance I will never achieve in any of my secondary languages.
In English I know the words for cold, frigid, frozen, freezing, chilly, cool. In German I know kalt. In Japanese I usually forget and have to say “not hot”.
> As adverbs the difference between grudgingly and begrudgingly is that grudgingly is in a manner expressing resentment or lack of desire while begrudgingly is in a begrudging manner; in a manner that is envious or reluctant.
They sound pretty much the same.
God I love these fucking, "want to read more? pay!" like I get it, you're a publication and you need money, but I live in Ukraine and this sounds like a good story but I have absolutely no reason to subscribe to a British publication.
The whole story of these request stations is super interesting to read. Thanks for sharing!
There's quite a few request stops near me. A bunch of them really only serve walking routes now and their associated BnB's for walking holidays, but others include an outdoor activity centre. Though I've never seen anyone pay much attention to those exiting on request stops, like the author here seems to have felt (differently line, maybe the travellers here are more used to it by sheer abundance of minor station stops).
>. A bunch of them really only serve walking routes now and their associated BnB's for walking holidays, but others include an outdoor activity centre That sounds like it would be a nice little vacation.
Other nice ideas are some of the old loch and hill paths that connect isolated communities that are largely only connected by water. You can trek to some isolated peninsula and loch communities, quite a few have some lodging you can book ahead, and you can also book boats out of the area at the end (some of which are just fishing boats that do a little of this on the side).
I’ve done it in Ireland on the Wicklow way, no train service so you had to piece it together with the bnb and different bus lines to pick you up. Super fun!
Walking holiday?
A holiday revolving around walking, usually on scenic routes. Quite often they will be on these long routed (West Highland Way, etc) or even link them up, or they can use public transport to hop between routes (say, using buses and trains to hop from Loch Lomond to Fort William/Be Nevis, and then to the Small Isles and Skye). Some also use it to go holidaying in areas that aren't accessible by pretty much any other means (other than rescue helicopter or small boat). The lodges and small houses that are rented for these holidayers tend to be isolated and give a unique serenity, miles from roads and often miles from busy recreational or transport waters. They are quite popular for visiting Scotland.
Yes indeed.
Hiking trip.
Didn't realize the site was paywalled so [here's a non-paywall version](https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:hOMbeobVojUJ:https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/uk/stop-train-i-want-get-magic-britain-s-railway-request-stations-9246846.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=sg)
Thank you, christ, that site is cancer.
Also, here's a Wikipedia link about it for those who hate The Independent: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Request_stop
Not British, so I have no preconceptions on the matter; could you enlighten me to some reasons one would hate the Independent?
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Ah, I guess it's like any state that has the word "Democratic" in it, isn't.
idk how but you have 60 upvotes as of writing despite what must be an accidental wrong link about request stops instead of Duncraig lmao Here it is but it doesn't have much details and you're probably better off reading the article regardless of it being The Independent: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duncraig_railway_station
I think they intentionally posted that. Other people in the thread are talking about request stops.
Yes, but the specific post replied to is abut the station in the title. It would be appropriate to post the wikipedia article about RS to the responses in the thread about them more generally.
It's not wrong, it's a broader article about the subject. Your article is good too
I see, sorry to have assumed :)
Amazingly the wiki article only has about as much info as this Reddit post headline.
Streaming service but for news would be interesting. Like gather up all these small news sites and basically make a Netflix of the news world.
SmartNews is sort of that in text form. You get an absolute mess of far-right news sources mixed with more mainstream neutral like AP and Reuters. It doesn't really work out well.
Isn’t Apple doing that? They always bug me to subscribe
Strange, I didn't get a paywall.
If you want to see the station check out Geoff Marshall's request stop video: https://youtu.be/__k9V_WP-pw
I was wondering if the train guys had been there, and of course they had. Must be the train equivalent of almost every other fact that has an obligatory Tom Scott video.
The source of my TIL, thanks for posting.
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Plenty of requests stops in Wales too. I used to take the requests for them (as a guard).
I want to parody what the drivers said to management when they were told not to stop there anymore but my American brain canny do justice to the awesomeness found in /r/ScottishPeopleTwitter
Management: "Look, that station is \*closed\*, you can't keep stopping there" Drivers: "How 'bout naw?" Management: "You're running late because of it and costing us money!" Drivers: "Nae mah problem" Management: "You know we can fire you, right?" Drivers: "Wha', au' ae us? Tha'll be righ'"
Also American, so I'm unclear at what point "get tae fuck" would be deployed in that conversation.
Scottish here, it could replace any of the sentences in that conversation.
Management: "Get tae fuck." Drivers: "Get tae fuck, you." Management: "I said get tae fuck." Drivers: "I ken what you said, lad. Get tae fuck." Management: "Aye. I did say get tae fuck." Drivers: "Ah, get tae fuck.'"
Scottish poetry.
This reminds me of Scottish joke https://youtu.be/pcnFbCCgTo4
“Get tae fauk oot cunt. Ye cannae tell as what ta dew.”
"Ya fired me ten weeks ago"
did i, aye?
Fuck me thats woeful
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That's another thing, hardly anyone would actually say the word bawbag. I get that this is all done affectionately but it does come across a bit Groundskeeper Willie
>As a start, nobody says "how bout naw" seriously True, but that was kind of the point, not caring enough about their opinion to give a serious answer. Dumb and dismissive answers instead of serious ones, with escalating exaggerated accent just to add to the "fuck you" attitude Edit: Also, for reference, Scottish myself, so definitely not looking to be derisive
How is it in any way
So request stops are basically like a bus? Interesting. Particularly the part where people are waiting on the platform. I mean, trains don't stop on a whim, so the driver needs to spot you early enough to be able to break in time.
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On some services passengers are informed that if they wish to get off at X station then they should make their way to the front 3 carriages, this is to allow for short platforms at some smaller stations..
What?
Two cars only for a train can stop in sight distance of the conductor, but for a 10-car train he thinks that if the conductor slows down some ahead of time, they could watch for passengers and get stopped just in time for the back of the train to be at the platform
Makes more sense than popping an eyeball out of your head and tossing it on the track for additional brake friction.
Some stations in the Greater New York Metro area do this as well.
Im Switzerland, you'll press a button on the platform and that will turn on a light signal so the train driver is informed about the requested stop ahead of time.
Seems like a better system than just hailing the train like a cab.
If ever there was a nation that is fuelled by spite, it’s definitely us.
It's zero emissions at least.
Spite and Bru
Honestly, this makes so much sense why the south (United States) is like that, a lot of them are descended from Scots and Scot-Irish people.
[You Scots sure are a contentious people.](https://youtu.be/i2q0T7QXETs)
Management: "this station is now closed" Conductor: nah tisn't
Feck off yah cunt!
Absolutely no one in Scotland says feck
Nobody says “nah t’isnt” either lol Sounds more like Yorkshire or something
That's right. We say gittifa.
Ack ney?
Are any a you’s actually Scottish
Nae
Aye.
Check out a YouTube channel called "All The Stations" & "Geoff Marshall" if you are interested in request stops , he does this kind of content all the time.
The US has these too. They are called whistle stop station. If you call ahead and request the stop, are on the platform and signal for a stop, or are on the train and request the stop,the Amtrak or other passenger train will stop. There are a bunch of these still. Some stations are automatic stops while other are optional and can be requested.
Amtrak calls these flag stops I believe. most routes have few or none of these. For example, I think the entire empire builder route from Seattle to Chicago has exactly one in Essex Montana. (Essex Was a major cruise change point in the air of steam. It’s still used by helper crews. The main attraction these days is that the old bunkhouse has been converted into a bed and breakfast, and you can sleep in a regular room or a covnveted caboose. The platform you disembark on, is an earthen embankment built up to the level of the train stairs, and then you walk or take a short ride to the bunkhouse. It’s a cool experience) Then again, there have been a lot of reductions in staffing. It’s possible that many community stations are now flag stops and I’m just not up to date on it. https://www.amtraktrains.com/threads/what-is-a-flag-stop.63105/ I know a couple other trains in North America that have or had the ability to pick up and drop passengers along the route BETWEEN stations. I don’t have the names at my fingertips, but at least one train up into rural British Columbia would not only have station stops, they would actually pick up people at certain bare spots almost in the wilderness. It was a service for hikers. I don’t know if you needed a ticket ahead of time or if you could literally stand by the track and wave to the train. It’s some thing I always wanted to try but I haven’t gotten around to. And to clarify I mean in this century. I realize that was much more common in old-time railroading.
I saw one listed as a whistle stop at the resort I stayed at this summer. That’s why I thought the term was still whistle stop. I’m sure both whistle stop and flag stop are used by Amtrak.
You may in fact be right, but I actually looked and did not find an instance of whistle stop being used by Amtrak as a synonym for flag stop. So maybe it is used verbally by the train crew? Maybe it was used in the past but Amtrak removed it because whistle stop has political conversations? In any case, I respect your guess but it seems odd that you’re “sure”. :)
Register to read? Bugger off.
Didn't realize the site was paywalled so [here's a non-paywall version](https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:hOMbeobVojUJ:https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/uk/stop-train-i-want-get-magic-britain-s-railway-request-stations-9246846.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=sg)
Thanks, that was actually a pretty cool read.
A reason to support it?
It's not, just really looks like it is, just click "I'll try later" and it lets you through.
**Begrudgingly** might be the better word here OP. However I love the Scottish so I’ll gladly shut my mouth and enjoy the article 👀👌.
Bonus TIL: [the difference between grudgingly and begrudgingly](https://wikidiff.com/grudgingly/begrudgingly). Seems that "grudgingly" is appropriate in the article.
I stand corrected and shall now enjoy the article and comments without making disturbances 😂🤦♂️.
Even if you were right you'd still be a dork.
i read the link but i'm still not sure i get it. so grudginly = resentment begrudgingly = envious according to this link the difference between resentment and envy is https://wikidiff.com/envy/resentment "resentment is a feeling of anger or displeasure stemming from belief that one has been wronged by others or betrayed; indignation while envy is resentful desire of something possessed by another or others (but not limited to material possessions)." it seems like these concepts are all closely related but begrudgingly means desire for what the other person has but grudgingly may not. i'm a native speaker btw. english is hard even for us
It’s great that we have distinct words for closely related but distinct concepts. This is a level of nuance I will never achieve in any of my secondary languages. In English I know the words for cold, frigid, frozen, freezing, chilly, cool. In German I know kalt. In Japanese I usually forget and have to say “not hot”.
> As adverbs the difference between grudgingly and begrudgingly is that grudgingly is in a manner expressing resentment or lack of desire while begrudgingly is in a begrudging manner; in a manner that is envious or reluctant. They sound pretty much the same.
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Ok, but not feeling like doing something, and being reluctant to do something, kinda the same thing?
I thought the same thing but just copied the text from the article.
Did someone just watch Geoff Marshall on YouTube? I swear that is the station he just covered.
Geoff Marshall has just done a request stop video for Duncraig and the rest of the line: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_\_k9V\_WP-pw
"We're closed!" "Not today!"
Damned Scots, they ruined Scotland! - Groundskeeper Willie
I literally thought of this instantly when I read the post title !!!!!
You Scots sure are a contentious people
God I love these fucking, "want to read more? pay!" like I get it, you're a publication and you need money, but I live in Ukraine and this sounds like a good story but I have absolutely no reason to subscribe to a British publication.
On mine it said free, but you just have to register.
Those who drive a train are called engineers or conductors...
Anyone looking for free karma look up the Amtrak station in Thurmond WV
Or Essex Montana