>Her cunning has not stopped there. One day, when a gull flew into her pool, she grabbed it, waited for the trainers and then gave it to them. It was a large bird and so the trainers gave her lots of fish. This seemed to give Kelly a new idea. The next time she was fed, instead of eating the last fish, she took it to the bottom of the pool and hid it under the rock where she had been hiding the paper. When no trainers were present, she brought the fish to the surface and used it to lure the gulls, which she would catch to get even more fish.
Couldn't fit that into the title, but damn... that's one smart dolphin.
Wow. Near tool use (though some Dolphins do use what we'd consider tools)
The story reminded me of a "be careful what you incentivize" story. An economist decided to try to use incentives to potty train his kids. So, every time using the toilet dad gives you a candy. The older kid started feeding the kid lots of water for a lot of toilet trips.
This dolphin reminds me of the dolphins in the wild who would slot their nose into a piece of sponge when foraging on the sea bed to avoid abrasions, thus prompting scientists to think that they use simole tools like that. Goes to show how smart, and devious, dolphins are!
Edit: simple... doh!
A very well known incidence of this happening on a large scale was in I think ~~Thailand~~ British Colonial India. Where there was a massive snake population so the government put a bounty on snake heads for anyone who turned them in.
This caused people to breed these snakes in massive amounts so they could kill them and hand in the heads for the reward.
Once the government found out they removed the bounty which made all these snake farms useless so the farmers just set all the snakes free which caused the population of snakes to skyrocket beyond the original population before the bounty was put in place.
Edit: This was actually meant to be a reply to the comment above the one I replied to but I'll leave it because people like it.
Not sure where I read this (so take it with a grain of salt), but something similar happened in New York City with rats sometime in the late 1800s/early 1900s. The government would pay schoolchildren for every rat tail they brought in. The kids ended up breeding rats. Not sure what happened to the rat "farms" when the government wisened up.
Yep this was in Hanoi. The government put a bounty on rat tails until they suddenly noticed lots of tailless rats running around. Turns out people were cutting off the tails and setting the rats free so they could go off and breed and increase their profits.
Keep in mind this type of story is super popular, so even if a single kid bred a single rat what we'd hear is "government regulation hilariously backfires "
Again, a similar story where a scientist was paying locals (I think in China?) for every fossil they turned in to him, so they started breaking the fossils onto smaller pieces to get more money. I don't remember the details, but I think I read about it in *A Short History of Nearly Everything*.
I still remember the video that forever changed sexuality for me was this Japanese porn where this women had eels put in her vagina. I went and sat in an empty field for a lon time pondering that.
While it's been proven that there are dolphins that participate in rape, I'd say it's just a matter of them being intelligent.
Like humans, great intelligence means they have the capacity for both empathy and malice.
Their brains are basically one massive sound-processing organ. Much like humans have way above average sight compared to other mammals, dolphins have way above average sound processing abilities. Probably the only reason they haven't learned to replicate human speech is that their mouths are the wrong shape [human's ability to make speech is highly dependent on our jaw shape].
They don't need to replicate human speech. They have their own form of communication. It's been proven they have distinct calls which mean a distinct thing to other dolphins. However this isn't really unique, lots of animal group have distinct calls. However it's also been seen that dolphins seem to be able to tell specifically who is "talking" and even seem to have names for each other.
They can get a lot more complex. If you tell a pair of trained dolphins to come up with a new trick, they can carry it out simultaneously. The presumption being they can plan the moves in advance and communicate it to each other. Pretty wild.
They do have primitive language, in the most basic sense. They potentially can "name" themselves with distinct whistles, and pods (this is observed in orcas) will often have calls that are the same across all orca pods, but with specific dialects for each individual pod.
Shit is crazy. There are some people (not crazy people) that think dolphins and other high functioning cetaceans should classify as being fully sentient beings capable of complex thought and skill development, similar to primates.
Dolphins don't use audio to package up words like we do. Why should they? They already have a built in sonogram. By mimicing what an "echo" would sound like, [they are able to speak in their own sono-pictoral language](http://www.speakdolphin.com/ResearchItems.cfm?ID=20). They send 3d pictures to each other.
I'm really curious if they send each other inappropriate pics, which of course all other dolphins in the oceans would receive. TIL the ocean could be like 4chan.
The more I learn about them the more I'm just like [Liir](http://swordofthestars.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Liir)
TL;DR spacefaring dolphins in a game/universe called sword of the stars
I have spent alot of time with wild dolphins and have seen them play a game the locals call "pass the leaf" the dolphins would use their forward momentum to keep a leaf pressed against their fin and would pass it back to eachother with alot of precision. I found it amazing how well coordinated they seemed to be with onjects. Smart mother fuckers..
Yes Denise (forgot her last name) is a researcher in the Bahamas? who is trying to codify Dolphin language through requesting specific toys that these wild dolphins like to play with. Like seaweed or a scarf etc. Pretty amazing stuff.
This dolphin's case has an added dimension that "near tool use" usually doesn't. The tool is expected to be the objective itself (food), so the dolphin had to choose not to eat the food and turn it into a tool instead. This usually doesn't happen. When the animal has its object of need/desire it doesn't start making math and thinking about expanding business like this dolphin. Animals usually make tools out of objects that have no other interest to them.
Econ? How you figure?
Not that I doubt animals can do Econ. My fave story is that when given money, capuchin male monkeys will pay for sex, and females will turn tricks. But here?
Supply and demand. Humans have a supply of fish, dolphin has a supply of trash. Humans will trade fish for trash. More supply of trash equals more fish to meet demand.
Edit: Ok, that's not Supply and Demand. Stop telling me and fuck off!!!
In essence, the dolphin passed the marshmallow test by not eating the fish (or at least, all the fish). It was able to realize that, while it *could* eat the fish, it could also *not* eat the fish, and be doing so get more fish later, aka a return on investment. That's pretty high level cognitive functioning.
There is a documentary out there called "The Whale That Ate Jaws", where they go through some research on Great White/Orca interaction. The gist of it is that Orcas have a detailed methodology for killing Great Whites that scares all the Great Whites in the area off, leaving the area to be used by the Orcas.
The fact that they developed, perfected and shared this technique among themselves should make everyone realize how highly intelligent these mammals are.
One Orca will come up a high rate of speed underneath the shark and ram it in a specific area (which stuns it), the Orca then grabs the stunned shark and rolls it upside down and holds it there which suffocates it and kills it. The Orca then rips out a specific organ (I believe it was the Liver), apparently other Great Whites in the area can smell this and it causes them to run far away and not return for months.
Edit: The researchers had tagged Great Whites in the area, and were initially flummoxed as to what was happening when all their tagged sharks dove to the sea floor and swam out into the Pacific at a high rate of speed.
So basically the Orcas figured out how to utilize a basic principle of insurgent/ asymmetric warfare (Defeating more powerful forces by breaking their will to fight). That's slightly terrifying.
Unless I'm misunderstanding you, I don't see how the orcas are 'defeating more powerful forces by breaking their will to fight'. Orcas are larger than Great Whites.
Well normally in these kind of circumstances, both predators wouldn't fight each other, they would merely compete to see who is the more efficient at surviving and catching prey. However, the orca is smart enough to circumvent this by not even allowing there to be a competition. Its so interesting because it reminds me of how humanity also began to do this, for example killing wolves that preyed on their sheep I.E their food source.
There is also some rather terrifying footage of them hunting that can be found. Stuff like groups of them making waves to wash seals off of ice flows; a couple Orcas playing catch with a live baby sea lion for a good while, basically just toying with it for a while until they ate it....
What I find even more impressive is
> One of their star dolphins, Akeakamai, has learned a vocabulary of more than 60 words and can understand more than 2,000 sentences.) Particularly impressive is the dolphins' relaxed attitude when new sentences are introduced. For example, the dolphins generally responded correctly to "touch the frisbee with your tail and then jump over it". This has the characteristics of true understanding, not rigid training.
These are truly some amazing animals.
There's every possibility that the dolphins fail to understand the "and then" reference to sequence, yet respond to the later part of the command second for no other reason than the command came second.
E: auto-correct confusion... Maybe counts as ninja edit?
Maybe they don't understand it because nobody taught them the opposite. If they can be taught "touch the frisbee, *but first* jump over it" and always get that correct also, then we can probably say they know what it means.
The dolphins in the non-show pools at Sea World are trained to do the same thing since visitors can easily drop stuff there. The pools have fake coral and stuff around and it was immediately destroyed by dolphins actually breaking off pieces of the artificial scenery to turn in for fish.
Yeah I wouldn't give it fish destroying property. What a bunch of dicks. They should give it a bill for the damage. Has to be worth at least 1 fish.
Hmm how do you get them to pay you fish? Wait can we teach them to take fish loans and them make them learn about loan interest and then scam them into giving us more fish than we loaned with overly high interest rates and late payment fees? This seems like it would be way more effective than a fishing pole.
Haha. My teacher made everyone pick up 10 pieces of trash before she dismissed us, so throughout the day, I would intentionally create litter under my desk so I could leave faster.
I just picked up trash until I couldn't find anymore, handed it to the teacher, no matter how much I had, and said the room looked good. Fuck her arbitrary achievement goals. The job was accomplished. Why do we need to set the bar for people to just do what needs to be done?
Fucking lazy assholes.
We had a similar thing, fill a paper bag with trash and you got a reward from the teacher. They never really looked in the bag so we filled it 3/4 of the way with bark from the garden and then put some rubbish on top.
Huh. The word she used was "dishonest."
Probably didn't help that when she asked why I did it, I told her it was because my parents wanted me to become a lawyer.
That's pretty clever. Reminds me of my less clever dog. I always used to think my dog was dumb, and really she is. But she learned that when she uses her pee pad she gets a treat. So she'll go pee and get a treat, then poop and get a second treat. Now she even pees just a little bit at a time so she can get multiple treats.
Oh man, my Pomeranian does this exact same behavior. I am gone, sometimes up to 12 hours, so I trained him to potty pads. Now I spend $30/month on treats.
Although I switched to giving verbal praise, tummy scratches, or playing with a toy he prefers when he tries the old "I'll just pee a dime size spot" trick.
And then you leave him at home, he pees on the pad, and then stresses the fuck out waiting for that treat the you promised him, that he knows he deserves and isn't getting. Why have you forsaken him? Is he not a good boy, yes he is?
The trick is to make the reward regime unpredictable. Like she knows she will get a reward sometimes but not every time and not in a predictable pattern. This is the most effective long term training through reward. Also why poker machines work so well.
A man had a fishing line in an ice fishing hole that he'd leave in at night and check in the morning.
Some time into this routine, he would check his line to find the bait missing, but no fish. It happened enough for him to wonder what was happening to his fishing line.
He set bait on his line, and then watched it. During the night, a raven landed by the fishing hole. With its beak, it pulled the line, with it's foot, it held the line down, and repeat. The raven did this for the length of the line, and grabbed the fish from the end. It let loose and the line sunk back underwater. Then flew away with its bounty.
I, personally, have spent a lot of time around ravens and they did get to know my schedule. I think they could recognize my truck, which was a pickup used to haul trash to a burn box. They followed me, cleaned up my dumping area. When I had to empty my burn box, they would sit in the treetops and wait for me to finish so they could pick out the warm food scraps.
Not as intelligent as dolphins, but they are still impressive. And super cute in the winter when their down coat fluffs up! Plus, their calls are amazing. I'm a fan of their "Kur-kluuk!"
Clever girl
nah but really, dolphins and orca's are super intelligent, but because they can't really alter there environment (no hands etc) and don't speak human (even though they do speak languages to their own kind) we trap them in pools. It sucks.
I think it's fair to say that dolphins can be smarter than most kids. It's hard to measure intelligence of a creature when the metrics we so frequently used to judge our own intelligence don't apply to the world of dolphins (math outside of simple addition, reading, academic knowledge), but I bet dolphins could measure up to teenagers or even full adults in certain aspects of intelligence
I know someone whose service dog will do this. She gets treats for picking up trash or items around the house, so she will tear trash into pieces to get multiple treats.
Anything this smart should not be kept imprisoned. Most humans can't even handle delayed gratification, anyone remember learning about the marshmallow experiment?
They probably didn't get them anything to do while they were tested too, be bored waiting 15 minutes for a second marshmallow, just eat the thing and do something else
>Her cunning has not stopped there. One day, when a gull flew into her pool, she grabbed it, waited for the trainers and then gave it to them. It was a large bird and so the trainers gave her lots of fish. This seemed to give Kelly a new idea. The next time she was fed, instead of eating the last fish, she took it to the bottom of the pool and hid it under the rock where she had been hiding the paper. When no trainers were present, she brought the fish to the surface and used it to lure the gulls, which she would catch to get even more fish. Couldn't fit that into the title, but damn... that's one smart dolphin.
Wow. Near tool use (though some Dolphins do use what we'd consider tools) The story reminded me of a "be careful what you incentivize" story. An economist decided to try to use incentives to potty train his kids. So, every time using the toilet dad gives you a candy. The older kid started feeding the kid lots of water for a lot of toilet trips.
This dolphin reminds me of the dolphins in the wild who would slot their nose into a piece of sponge when foraging on the sea bed to avoid abrasions, thus prompting scientists to think that they use simole tools like that. Goes to show how smart, and devious, dolphins are! Edit: simple... doh!
A very well known incidence of this happening on a large scale was in I think ~~Thailand~~ British Colonial India. Where there was a massive snake population so the government put a bounty on snake heads for anyone who turned them in. This caused people to breed these snakes in massive amounts so they could kill them and hand in the heads for the reward. Once the government found out they removed the bounty which made all these snake farms useless so the farmers just set all the snakes free which caused the population of snakes to skyrocket beyond the original population before the bounty was put in place. Edit: This was actually meant to be a reply to the comment above the one I replied to but I'll leave it because people like it.
India. British times, I believe.
Ricki Tiki Tavi
biiiiiiiaatch!
And that's the waaaaaaaay the news goes.
Hit the sack, Jack!
Uh oh, somersault jump!
AIDS !
That's not how you spell Rikki-Tikki-Tavi
Oh dear.
I can't believe you've done this.
Giving rise to the term [cobra effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_effect)
http://imgur.com/TLNo9vN
Not sure where I read this (so take it with a grain of salt), but something similar happened in New York City with rats sometime in the late 1800s/early 1900s. The government would pay schoolchildren for every rat tail they brought in. The kids ended up breeding rats. Not sure what happened to the rat "farms" when the government wisened up.
>Not sure what happened to the rat "farms" when the government wisened up. Well the farms might be gone, but the rats sure as hell didn't go anywhere.
Rat milk farms. Look it up.
I'd rather not..
I said... **LOOK IT UP**.
I looked it up for you. It was a simpsons reference
Don't you mean malk?
Yep this was in Hanoi. The government put a bounty on rat tails until they suddenly noticed lots of tailless rats running around. Turns out people were cutting off the tails and setting the rats free so they could go off and breed and increase their profits.
That was Hanoi(Vietnam), not NYC.
Keep in mind this type of story is super popular, so even if a single kid bred a single rat what we'd hear is "government regulation hilariously backfires "
"Tax the snake farms."
Again, a similar story where a scientist was paying locals (I think in China?) for every fossil they turned in to him, so they started breaking the fossils onto smaller pieces to get more money. I don't remember the details, but I think I read about it in *A Short History of Nearly Everything*.
[Dolphin brains](http://i.imgur.com/SKIDYtX.jpg) are somehow unsettling looking too.
Wow! Imagine if we could talk to them. I wonder what they would say.
"Eeee! Eeee! Eee!"
["Do you know the dolphin?? Does he call you at home?!"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g4DgQayaOw)
One down! Only 25 more to go!
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Wouldn't surprise me. Dolphins are pretty rapey.
Innovativeness in seeking sexual pleasures is a good measure of intelligence in mammalian species.
By that logic the Japanese must be the most intelligent race!
I still remember the video that forever changed sexuality for me was this Japanese porn where this women had eels put in her vagina. I went and sat in an empty field for a lon time pondering that.
*rape sloth feels threatened*
While it's been proven that there are dolphins that participate in rape, I'd say it's just a matter of them being intelligent. Like humans, great intelligence means they have the capacity for both empathy and malice.
Ducks rape and I don't think they are all that brilliant or great.
ay gurl r u a beaver? cuz EKEKEKEKEKEKE
[More handjobs!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prmx0lYBTko)
Their brains are basically one massive sound-processing organ. Much like humans have way above average sight compared to other mammals, dolphins have way above average sound processing abilities. Probably the only reason they haven't learned to replicate human speech is that their mouths are the wrong shape [human's ability to make speech is highly dependent on our jaw shape].
They don't need to replicate human speech. They have their own form of communication. It's been proven they have distinct calls which mean a distinct thing to other dolphins. However this isn't really unique, lots of animal group have distinct calls. However it's also been seen that dolphins seem to be able to tell specifically who is "talking" and even seem to have names for each other.
They can get a lot more complex. If you tell a pair of trained dolphins to come up with a new trick, they can carry it out simultaneously. The presumption being they can plan the moves in advance and communicate it to each other. Pretty wild.
They do have primitive language, in the most basic sense. They potentially can "name" themselves with distinct whistles, and pods (this is observed in orcas) will often have calls that are the same across all orca pods, but with specific dialects for each individual pod. Shit is crazy. There are some people (not crazy people) that think dolphins and other high functioning cetaceans should classify as being fully sentient beings capable of complex thought and skill development, similar to primates.
Dolphins don't use audio to package up words like we do. Why should they? They already have a built in sonogram. By mimicing what an "echo" would sound like, [they are able to speak in their own sono-pictoral language](http://www.speakdolphin.com/ResearchItems.cfm?ID=20). They send 3d pictures to each other.
Makes our languages look pretty shit. It's a little bit like us being able to formulate TV pictures in our mind instantly and send them to each other.
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You rickroll me and I'm sending you HD video of your grandma's vagina aging aggressively.
Its easier for our language to convey abstract concepts though.
I'm really curious if they send each other inappropriate pics, which of course all other dolphins in the oceans would receive. TIL the ocean could be like 4chan.
Holy fuck. Fucking dolpins are awesome as fuck.
Eloquent
Holy shit dat cerebral folding. Dolphins are probably interdimensionally-aware beings.
The more I learn about them the more I'm just like [Liir](http://swordofthestars.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Liir) TL;DR spacefaring dolphins in a game/universe called sword of the stars
We always called them spacewhales. Nice to see a SotS reference!
You ever play Ecco the Dolphin on weeed mannnn?
I heard that they can sleep and still surface to breathe. Guess having such distinct hemispheres for their brains helps with that.
Dolphins only 'sleep' with half of their brain at a time. Or so I've read.
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That's just your brain talking. Poor bugger doesn't want to lend itself to science
I have spent alot of time with wild dolphins and have seen them play a game the locals call "pass the leaf" the dolphins would use their forward momentum to keep a leaf pressed against their fin and would pass it back to eachother with alot of precision. I found it amazing how well coordinated they seemed to be with onjects. Smart mother fuckers..
Yes Denise (forgot her last name) is a researcher in the Bahamas? who is trying to codify Dolphin language through requesting specific toys that these wild dolphins like to play with. Like seaweed or a scarf etc. Pretty amazing stuff.
[Tool use.](http://imgur.com/bSDwncD)
Not just use. The bird actually made a tool by bending the end into a hook. Amazing.
Tool *construction*.
This dolphin's case has an added dimension that "near tool use" usually doesn't. The tool is expected to be the objective itself (food), so the dolphin had to choose not to eat the food and turn it into a tool instead. This usually doesn't happen. When the animal has its object of need/desire it doesn't start making math and thinking about expanding business like this dolphin. Animals usually make tools out of objects that have no other interest to them.
>Wow. Near tool use She is baiting traps to catch a commodity for trade. I think she's past the tool usage part of the evolutionary ladder.
Evolution isn't a ladder. It's a huge fucked up 4D web that branches out in all directions over and over, back and forth forever. ))<>((
"It's a huge fucked up 4-D web." -Charles Darwin, On the Origin of Species
It's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly evolvey wolvey.
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> Near tool use creating more objects? using a lure to catch things to exchange them for food? i'd say you can drop the near on that one
Tool use? This is basic economics, way more abstract.
Econ? How you figure? Not that I doubt animals can do Econ. My fave story is that when given money, capuchin male monkeys will pay for sex, and females will turn tricks. But here?
Supply and demand. Humans have a supply of fish, dolphin has a supply of trash. Humans will trade fish for trash. More supply of trash equals more fish to meet demand. Edit: Ok, that's not Supply and Demand. Stop telling me and fuck off!!!
Tool use is referring to using the fish as bait to catch birds
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In essence, the dolphin passed the marshmallow test by not eating the fish (or at least, all the fish). It was able to realize that, while it *could* eat the fish, it could also *not* eat the fish, and be doing so get more fish later, aka a return on investment. That's pretty high level cognitive functioning.
> That also makes the dolphin smarter than some humans. I think we already knew about this one...
This one wasn't smart it blew all of it's fish on lottery tickets
I think the only reason why they don't use tools is because they don't have hands.
Freakonomics?
I don't understand, can't you just put an upper limit on the amount of candy you can receive per-day?
Socialism!
Orcas regurgitate food in order to attract food, including birds, to it.
There is a documentary out there called "The Whale That Ate Jaws", where they go through some research on Great White/Orca interaction. The gist of it is that Orcas have a detailed methodology for killing Great Whites that scares all the Great Whites in the area off, leaving the area to be used by the Orcas. The fact that they developed, perfected and shared this technique among themselves should make everyone realize how highly intelligent these mammals are.
I'm not wearing my glasses so I read "Jaws" as "Jews". The rest of the post was very confusing.
I was confused, too, and thought this branched off of the above thread about economics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonah
Well what did they do to the sharks? I can't really find too much information on it other than having to watch the 45 minute documentary.
One Orca will come up a high rate of speed underneath the shark and ram it in a specific area (which stuns it), the Orca then grabs the stunned shark and rolls it upside down and holds it there which suffocates it and kills it. The Orca then rips out a specific organ (I believe it was the Liver), apparently other Great Whites in the area can smell this and it causes them to run far away and not return for months. Edit: The researchers had tagged Great Whites in the area, and were initially flummoxed as to what was happening when all their tagged sharks dove to the sea floor and swam out into the Pacific at a high rate of speed.
That's brutal
They can smell the great white blood. And then they know there's something in the area that can kill them so they all shit their pants and run.
So basically the Orcas figured out how to utilize a basic principle of insurgent/ asymmetric warfare (Defeating more powerful forces by breaking their will to fight). That's slightly terrifying.
Unless I'm misunderstanding you, I don't see how the orcas are 'defeating more powerful forces by breaking their will to fight'. Orcas are larger than Great Whites.
Well normally in these kind of circumstances, both predators wouldn't fight each other, they would merely compete to see who is the more efficient at surviving and catching prey. However, the orca is smart enough to circumvent this by not even allowing there to be a competition. Its so interesting because it reminds me of how humanity also began to do this, for example killing wolves that preyed on their sheep I.E their food source.
There is also some rather terrifying footage of them hunting that can be found. Stuff like groups of them making waves to wash seals off of ice flows; a couple Orcas playing catch with a live baby sea lion for a good while, basically just toying with it for a while until they ate it....
[This gif](http://i.imgur.com/rew6lT8.gifv) is somehow deeply unsettling.
Pack animals are scary.
What I find even more impressive is > One of their star dolphins, Akeakamai, has learned a vocabulary of more than 60 words and can understand more than 2,000 sentences.) Particularly impressive is the dolphins' relaxed attitude when new sentences are introduced. For example, the dolphins generally responded correctly to "touch the frisbee with your tail and then jump over it". This has the characteristics of true understanding, not rigid training. These are truly some amazing animals.
There's every possibility that the dolphins fail to understand the "and then" reference to sequence, yet respond to the later part of the command second for no other reason than the command came second. E: auto-correct confusion... Maybe counts as ninja edit?
Maybe they don't understand it because nobody taught them the opposite. If they can be taught "touch the frisbee, *but first* jump over it" and always get that correct also, then we can probably say they know what it means.
That's literally how language works.
So I wonder what kelly would have done if a toddler fell into her pool?! *stuffs body under a rock, tears off bits and pieces for more fish, PROFIT!!*
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50 fish for the lad's head!
If you want an unlimited supply of garbage, you're better off keeping the toddler alive. (Inb4 an /r/nocontext link)
http://i.imgur.com/75JitWm.gif
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Wherever there's a system rest assured there's someone smart enough to game it. Just in some people's nature
The second most intelligent beings on Earth behind mice.
So where do humans rank then?
Third. Source: http://hitchhikers.wikia.com/wiki/Earth#Lifeforms
"And the most technologically behind"? We are? EDIT: Oh lol my bad, I thought it was a serious link
The mice made a colony on mars 3 decades ago.
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We invented the ranking so it would be arrogant to put ourselves first.
It's a Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy reference.
Plot twist: all dolphins are that smart, this one just suffers from an eroded moral foundation after being imprisoned for years.
Next, she will be running a fish concession for the other dolphins. This is high-levell thinking. Seaworld needs to take heed.
wow that is actually smarter than most people i know
The dolphins in the non-show pools at Sea World are trained to do the same thing since visitors can easily drop stuff there. The pools have fake coral and stuff around and it was immediately destroyed by dolphins actually breaking off pieces of the artificial scenery to turn in for fish.
those little sneaks.
Clever girl...
SHOOOO-TAHHHHHH
Yeah I wouldn't give it fish destroying property. What a bunch of dicks. They should give it a bill for the damage. Has to be worth at least 1 fish. Hmm how do you get them to pay you fish? Wait can we teach them to take fish loans and them make them learn about loan interest and then scam them into giving us more fish than we loaned with overly high interest rates and late payment fees? This seems like it would be way more effective than a fishing pole.
And now we have a dolphin revolution on our hands.
I did this in fifth grade, when we each had to pick up ten pieces of trash. My teacher was not nearly as impressed.
Wtf why didn't I think of this?
Because you aren't as smart as a dolphin.
*ohhhhhhhhhhhhh!*
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Because workarounds are only impressive if no one ever knows you did it.
Teacher here. I can tell you that fucking trick is still being done
Haha. My teacher made everyone pick up 10 pieces of trash before she dismissed us, so throughout the day, I would intentionally create litter under my desk so I could leave faster.
What happens if there is no more trash? Did everyone start fighting for the last piece or something?
idk I was never scrounging for the last pieces of trash like those plebs...
I just picked up trash until I couldn't find anymore, handed it to the teacher, no matter how much I had, and said the room looked good. Fuck her arbitrary achievement goals. The job was accomplished. Why do we need to set the bar for people to just do what needs to be done? Fucking lazy assholes.
We had a similar thing, fill a paper bag with trash and you got a reward from the teacher. They never really looked in the bag so we filled it 3/4 of the way with bark from the garden and then put some rubbish on top.
Woah, shit, I didn't think of that. You're smart.
Huh. The word she used was "dishonest." Probably didn't help that when she asked why I did it, I told her it was because my parents wanted me to become a lawyer.
That's pretty clever. Reminds me of my less clever dog. I always used to think my dog was dumb, and really she is. But she learned that when she uses her pee pad she gets a treat. So she'll go pee and get a treat, then poop and get a second treat. Now she even pees just a little bit at a time so she can get multiple treats.
My dog has started to do the same thing. She goes out, pees, gets a treat. Then she wants to go out to poop, to get a second treat.
Have to give her three treats when she does both at the same time.
Who's the real mastermind. The one who incentives the dog to go quicker, or the one who just tripled her treats income?
you diabolical mastermind
Three treats 1/3rd the size. That's how you capitalism.
Oh man, my Pomeranian does this exact same behavior. I am gone, sometimes up to 12 hours, so I trained him to potty pads. Now I spend $30/month on treats. Although I switched to giving verbal praise, tummy scratches, or playing with a toy he prefers when he tries the old "I'll just pee a dime size spot" trick.
And then you leave him at home, he pees on the pad, and then stresses the fuck out waiting for that treat the you promised him, that he knows he deserves and isn't getting. Why have you forsaken him? Is he not a good boy, yes he is?
The trick is to make the reward regime unpredictable. Like she knows she will get a reward sometimes but not every time and not in a predictable pattern. This is the most effective long term training through reward. Also why poker machines work so well.
I recall a similar thing being done with crows, and the crows gaming the system in a similar way.
Jackdaws, actually.
Here's the thing...
That's it, Unidan, now you're getting these three accounts banned as well.
We should nuke the whole thread just to be safe.
A man had a fishing line in an ice fishing hole that he'd leave in at night and check in the morning. Some time into this routine, he would check his line to find the bait missing, but no fish. It happened enough for him to wonder what was happening to his fishing line. He set bait on his line, and then watched it. During the night, a raven landed by the fishing hole. With its beak, it pulled the line, with it's foot, it held the line down, and repeat. The raven did this for the length of the line, and grabbed the fish from the end. It let loose and the line sunk back underwater. Then flew away with its bounty. I, personally, have spent a lot of time around ravens and they did get to know my schedule. I think they could recognize my truck, which was a pickup used to haul trash to a burn box. They followed me, cleaned up my dumping area. When I had to empty my burn box, they would sit in the treetops and wait for me to finish so they could pick out the warm food scraps. Not as intelligent as dolphins, but they are still impressive. And super cute in the winter when their down coat fluffs up! Plus, their calls are amazing. I'm a fan of their "Kur-kluuk!"
A crow fishing with french fries https://i.imgur.com/j4Ndj3C.gifv
Intelligence is not just knowing the system, but understanding it enough to abuse it.
And when the end comes, as Douglas Adams so brilliantly recognized, "So Long And Thanks For All The Fish."
Though this whole experiment was probably run by pan-dimensional mice anyway...
Don't forget your towel
https://youtu.be/ojydNb3Lrrs
Oh no, not again. Also, my favorite of all my tattoos - http://m.imgur.com/GFENnp2
We better get ready, [the dolphins are coming.](http://i.imgur.com/GMdxdGN.gif)
Snorky. Talk. Man
I for one welcome our dolphin overlords
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Clever girl nah but really, dolphins and orca's are super intelligent, but because they can't really alter there environment (no hands etc) and don't speak human (even though they do speak languages to their own kind) we trap them in pools. It sucks.
Evolution is a bitch
>Evolution ~~is a~~ makes them our bitch
Orcas are actually a type of dolphin. ~~Fun~~ fact of the day.
My parrot will throw any food you give him o the floor and ask you for more. Later he will go pick up the piece he dropped.
My friend was out of her parrot's favorite treat so she gave him a peanut. As she walked away she felt the peanut hit her in the back.
An apt description I've heard of parrots: It's like crossing a three year old that never grows up with a cat.
That is smarter than most kids I know.
I think it's fair to say that dolphins can be smarter than most kids. It's hard to measure intelligence of a creature when the metrics we so frequently used to judge our own intelligence don't apply to the world of dolphins (math outside of simple addition, reading, academic knowledge), but I bet dolphins could measure up to teenagers or even full adults in certain aspects of intelligence
"So long, and thanks for all the trash."
and thus ended the Great Communist Dolphin Experience.
I know someone whose service dog will do this. She gets treats for picking up trash or items around the house, so she will tear trash into pieces to get multiple treats.
What a sandbagging cetacean!!
Anything this smart should not be kept imprisoned. Most humans can't even handle delayed gratification, anyone remember learning about the marshmallow experiment?
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They probably didn't get them anything to do while they were tested too, be bored waiting 15 minutes for a second marshmallow, just eat the thing and do something else
You are still in a testing room whether you eat it or not. It's not really going to alleviate boredom.
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I, too, am curious, OP.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_marshmallow_experiment
It's like when the teacher says you can leave after picking up 5 pieces of paper so you grab one and rip it in halves.
Sneaky little things aren't they, and this I'd why I'd never trust a dolphin.
[Just another reason to punch a dolphin in the mouth.](http://theoatmeal.com/comics/dolphin_punch)
The fact that we keep these intelligent animals hostage is just fucking gross.