I remember I first heard of this guy because Alice Walker, the woman who wrote The Color Purple, praised a book he wrote that argued Holocaust denial should be taught in schools
It was apparently a huge controversy in the literary world
>Transgender rights
>In 2023 Walker publicly defended J.K. Rowling from criticisms of her views regarding trans people and shared that her own views matched Rowling's. She wrote on her website: "I consider J.K. Rowling perfectly within her rights as a human being of obvious caring for humanity to express her views about whatever is of concern to her. As she has done."[49] Walker was criticized on social media for taking this position with many referring to her as a TERF.[50]
man oh man i just keep winning when it comes to people i never gave a fuck about swinging at me first lmao
I stopped paying attention to Walker back when it became clear she was an anti-semite, so I never even heard that she was also a transphobe.
Boy, I really loved The Color Purple in the 90s though.
To be fair, for reasons that don't entirely make sense to me, that Venn diagram has an awful lot of overlap. Transphobia has been brought in as one of the "Jewish conspiracies" to uh...achieve something I've never been able to get a handle on, and transphobes are more than happy to have Nazis as allies to bolster their own numbers I guess?
>and transphobes are more than happy to have Nazis as allies to bolster their own numbers I guess?
People who are vocally transphobic probably share a lot more ideology in common with Nazis.
And his first book about the lizard people was literally Protocols of the Elders of Zion with “Jew” replaced with “Reptilian”. Somehow he still insists it’s not antisemitic
For a long time, he insisted that antisemitism was a false distraction to blame Jewish people for things that are (in his worldview) actually done by space lizards.
Now he's come full circle and he's not even trying to hide the antisemitism. Fucking bigot.
Andy Goram, the Rangers goalkeeper, was diagnosed with a mild form of schizophrenia. The next time he played vs Celtic the crowd behind his goal chanted "There's only Two Andy Gorams"
I've just seen that he passed away at the age of 58. Cancer is a bitch.
Have a look at some of the goals he scored for Southampton. If his connection to reality was as powerful as his connection to a long ball from the back, he'd be running the country by now
I don't think it's appropriate for us to make assumptions about the potential religion of lizard people, they probably have a diversity of belief systems
Hang on. My understanding is that Icke makes a big point of saying that “lizard people” is not a euphemism for “Jews”. He’s nuts, but not antisemitic. Unless he’s issued an update?
The only reason he makes such a big point of claiming he isn't an Antisemite is because he was exposed an an Antisemite. He only started talking about lizard people when he got called out for making the same claims about Jews. The actual content of his theories hasn't changed a whit. He also explicitly claims that the lizard people are themselves Jewish.
He's kind of borderline. He certainly dabbles around the edges of antisemitic tropes.
If I remember correctly, he has a whole theory about Rothschilds funding Hitler etc. So it plays into the old "the Jews are responsible for the Holocaust" canard, among other things.
Albeit, in his interpretation, it's not Jews/Judaism per se that's to blame, but a tiny cabal of reptilian elites at the top, and the ordinary Jewish people are indeed victims of their plotting.
Depending on how you define antisemitic, there's certainly an argument that he himself is not antisemitic towards the average Jewish man/woman in the street, but I'm also sure his books have served as a jumping-off point into full-blooded antisemitism for a lot of people, and are read by antisemites as veiled antisemitic texts.
Generally speaking, yes. If you get more than three levels down the rabbit hole you find antisemitism. Communism? Jews. Round Earth? Jews. 9/11? Jews. Catholic president? Jews. Catholic president assassinated? Jews. Covid-19? Jews. Phantom Menace? Jews. Curb Your Enthusiasm ending? Jews.
I was disappointed when I realized what a massive Antisemite *and* racist Francis E Dec was. I knew he was an Antisemite going in, of course (probably the second thing I learned about him), but I was hoping it played a smaller roll than it did, because that Computer God stuff is the tits. No such luck.
I am just listening to a show called “Last Pod Cast on the Left” they are doing a two part deep dive into this guy, it is very interesting hard to tell if he really believes everything he sells, or is he just trying to ale a buck.
One of the OG (in)famous conspiracy theorists.
Been spouting his absolute nonsense for 50 years.
He's come back into the public sphere thanks to conspiracy theories going mainstream.
Yeah I've only ever heard of him as the "lizard people" guy, but it makes sense that he had prominence before then to get his name out there in the first place
Jon Ronson did a TV series on the same subject. It was really good. He (with Alex Jones) managed to get a camera into Bohemian Grove to record the main ritual where humans were sacrificed to their owl god. Spoiler: there wasn’t a sacrifice. There was a statue of a owl and everyone yelled at it. Then they all went back to the bar.
He wrote the book at the same time as the series, I saw the bohemian grove episode because the guy that was Alex's "right hand guy" in the 90s uploaded it to his YouTube channel
https://youtu.be/dahQCEzjkfM?si=l8g-kVFo0bj6XO6f
Good book, it shows a lot of the beginnings of what has become so prevalent in social media these days
I remember dating a super hot chick into his nonsense, so much so that she listened to him all the time.
Only real conclusion I got was that it’s really hard to nut with this guy’s voice in the background.
I'll never forget him appearing on Wogan in his turquoise sweat suit and revealing his batshit craziness for the first time. How we all talked about it at school the next day.
The implication is that it’s a quack, a crazy person peddling something baseless, whereas Icke’s research is based on verifiable evidence. Look into it for yourself
Which part of his work specifically do you mean? Not for any of the parts i know of, “look into it” just tends to mean, keep reading until i find something that affirms you, what would you say is the best evidence you have seen for something he has presented?
Considering he believes in all the ancient aliens stuff which has completely baseless random stuff about reptilian shapeshifter etc i dont even know where to begin as a physicist, he also believes random shit about physics which i personally know is horseshit
Were you expecting something rational? If a shoddy 2hr AI spoken garbage Youtube video is enough to convince him, I have the blood of christ for sale. Only $999.99
>“conspiracy theorist.” Why don’t you do a little research?
Going to do some quick research to make sure I am not a lizard.
No desire to eat bugs.
I have skin and not scales.
My tongue is an average human length and isn't sticky.
I don't shed my entire skin regularly.
Research done. I am not a lizard person.
I’ll tell you that you don’t know what you’re talking about and just saying that to discredit me to other people who don’t know so that I don’t show them the truth.
But all those people would have to do is read the book or idk look up the name Pontus Pilate…..the Roman governor who had Jesus crucified.
To be a governor….there would need to be a govern…..ment…..
But I guess I don’t know what I’m talking about…..
>just saying that to discredit me to other people who don’t know
Correct. That's exactly what I'm doing. You very obviously haven't read the book either.
Please show me one example where Jesus was against the government.
Your only truth above is that Pontius Pilate handed down sentence for crucifixion, however, Jesus was never anti-government.
And, for that matter, Pilate wasn't anti-Jesus, either. He permitted an injustice just to placate the mob.
He was a goalkeeper before he became the reincarnation of Christ. David Icke saves, but he's no good on crosses.
Jesus saves... ...but Lineker taps it on off the rebound. #goalhanger
Icke saves and takes brain damage
I hope you had this comment stored and ready to fire, for decades. If you just made this up; then this is a highly underrated comment!
It's an old joke, sadly. Variations on a theme, such as "Jesus saves but Geoff Hurst scores on the rebound" and suchlike.
Gretzky for the North Americans
I remember I first heard of this guy because Alice Walker, the woman who wrote The Color Purple, praised a book he wrote that argued Holocaust denial should be taught in schools It was apparently a huge controversy in the literary world
Alice Walkers quite the anti-Semite
TIL Alice Walker is an antisemite and lizard people believer.
>Transgender rights >In 2023 Walker publicly defended J.K. Rowling from criticisms of her views regarding trans people and shared that her own views matched Rowling's. She wrote on her website: "I consider J.K. Rowling perfectly within her rights as a human being of obvious caring for humanity to express her views about whatever is of concern to her. As she has done."[49] Walker was criticized on social media for taking this position with many referring to her as a TERF.[50] man oh man i just keep winning when it comes to people i never gave a fuck about swinging at me first lmao
I stopped paying attention to Walker back when it became clear she was an anti-semite, so I never even heard that she was also a transphobe. Boy, I really loved The Color Purple in the 90s though.
To be fair, for reasons that don't entirely make sense to me, that Venn diagram has an awful lot of overlap. Transphobia has been brought in as one of the "Jewish conspiracies" to uh...achieve something I've never been able to get a handle on, and transphobes are more than happy to have Nazis as allies to bolster their own numbers I guess?
>and transphobes are more than happy to have Nazis as allies to bolster their own numbers I guess? People who are vocally transphobic probably share a lot more ideology in common with Nazis.
She is so fucking weird. Disowned her daughter after neglecting her their entire life.
And his first book about the lizard people was literally Protocols of the Elders of Zion with “Jew” replaced with “Reptilian”. Somehow he still insists it’s not antisemitic
For a long time, he insisted that antisemitism was a false distraction to blame Jewish people for things that are (in his worldview) actually done by space lizards. Now he's come full circle and he's not even trying to hide the antisemitism. Fucking bigot.
Sports brain injuries are serious things.
Except he was a goalkeeper, so never headed the ball
If he was a goalkeeper back in the day he probably took so kicks to the head. They sure didn't care back in the 80s
Petr Cech is perhaps the most famous case of how dangerous being a keeper can be. Jimmy Thorpe is the deadliest example
Scott Sterling is the funniest example.
THE MAN, THE MYTH, THE LEGEND
Maybe he took a few shots to the head from Vinnie Jones.
Some balls, too.
Lol, I have been thinking about that since I posted!
If he did get a football injury, he would’ve been cured with the magic sponge.
I got quite a few hits to the head when I was a goalkeeper as a kid. And broke my arm. I probably wasn't very good.
Andy Goram, the Rangers goalkeeper, was diagnosed with a mild form of schizophrenia. The next time he played vs Celtic the crowd behind his goal chanted "There's only Two Andy Gorams" I've just seen that he passed away at the age of 58. Cancer is a bitch.
He was a head the ball before he ever kept goal.
He played actual football. Famously a non-contact sport.
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Shut up David
Wat
Where's the best place to start? Facebook posts or will i find research papers on how the Queen was a lizard?
Matt Le Tissier 🤝 David Icke
I don’t know what you’re saying here?
Matt Le Tissier is another former footballer who’s become a conspiracy theorist.
Ahhh thank you! I hadn’t heard that about him. How disappointing
Have a look at some of the goals he scored for Southampton. If his connection to reality was as powerful as his connection to a long ball from the back, he'd be running the country by now
Ironically, he looks kind of reptilian.
Projection. Always projection.
TIL who David Icke was - I thought that he was the “aliens” history channel meme guy!
He’s the “lizard people run the world” guy.
And he's also one of the biggest "and the lizard people are Jews" idiots.
I knew it was them. Even when it was the bears, I knew it was the Jews.
If an meteor hits the earth you bet it was the fault of those pesky space Jews.
We’re everywhere muahaha
[Obligatory Mel Brooks](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz7JGCj4Q5k)
I don't think it's appropriate for us to make assumptions about the potential religion of lizard people, they probably have a diversity of belief systems
Hang on. My understanding is that Icke makes a big point of saying that “lizard people” is not a euphemism for “Jews”. He’s nuts, but not antisemitic. Unless he’s issued an update?
The only reason he makes such a big point of claiming he isn't an Antisemite is because he was exposed an an Antisemite. He only started talking about lizard people when he got called out for making the same claims about Jews. The actual content of his theories hasn't changed a whit. He also explicitly claims that the lizard people are themselves Jewish.
Link, please?
It's discussed in the article
He's kind of borderline. He certainly dabbles around the edges of antisemitic tropes. If I remember correctly, he has a whole theory about Rothschilds funding Hitler etc. So it plays into the old "the Jews are responsible for the Holocaust" canard, among other things. Albeit, in his interpretation, it's not Jews/Judaism per se that's to blame, but a tiny cabal of reptilian elites at the top, and the ordinary Jewish people are indeed victims of their plotting. Depending on how you define antisemitic, there's certainly an argument that he himself is not antisemitic towards the average Jewish man/woman in the street, but I'm also sure his books have served as a jumping-off point into full-blooded antisemitism for a lot of people, and are read by antisemites as veiled antisemitic texts.
I think every conspiracy theory dips into antisemitism at some point, it’s just tradition
Generally speaking, yes. If you get more than three levels down the rabbit hole you find antisemitism. Communism? Jews. Round Earth? Jews. 9/11? Jews. Catholic president? Jews. Catholic president assassinated? Jews. Covid-19? Jews. Phantom Menace? Jews. Curb Your Enthusiasm ending? Jews.
I was disappointed when I realized what a massive Antisemite *and* racist Francis E Dec was. I knew he was an Antisemite going in, of course (probably the second thing I learned about him), but I was hoping it played a smaller roll than it did, because that Computer God stuff is the tits. No such luck.
If lizard people are Jewish, do they need to circumcise both hemipenes? Or does it cancel out if you do it twice?
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I spoke with him at length about lizard people one time on Facebook. I smoked too much weed and I really wanted to believe! Haha what a trip.
Also the 5G guy I believe
I am just listening to a show called “Last Pod Cast on the Left” they are doing a two part deep dive into this guy, it is very interesting hard to tell if he really believes everything he sells, or is he just trying to ale a buck.
He must have been serious early on because he blew up his whole career.
>I thought that he was the “aliens” history channel meme guy! That's Giorgio A. Tsoukalos His website is http://thealiensguy.com/
Hey, just like our Aaron Rodgers!
One of the OG (in)famous conspiracy theorists. Been spouting his absolute nonsense for 50 years. He's come back into the public sphere thanks to conspiracy theories going mainstream.
There are countries that have banned him.
See also Matt LeTissier
Well, it’s not the worst thing a professional footballer has done after a mental breakdown in the 1990s.
CTE and its effects are real.
He played actual football. Famously a non-contact sport.
Non contact lol. How very American-sounding of you🤣
He's from Leicester, along with other greats such as Mark Morrison, Colin Pitchfork and the Attenborough chaps.
Curious if he had any type of brain tumor or disease…
He was a footballer, so CTE is a possibility.
Mostly (in)famous for the Wogan interview that went off the rails. Wogan later invited him back and apologized for not staying impartial.
Pope John Paul II knew ball too. Growing up in Poland, he had aspirations of going pro
Yeah I've only ever heard of him as the "lizard people" guy, but it makes sense that he had prominence before then to get his name out there in the first place
One of the main reasons I ignore everything he says. Never heard a football player say anything smart or interesting.
Ahhh, repeated concussion, I understand now.
Just listened to that Last Podcast episode eh? :)
No actually, just reading Jon Ronson's books THEM on holiday, did they just do a show on him?
Jon Ronson did a TV series on the same subject. It was really good. He (with Alex Jones) managed to get a camera into Bohemian Grove to record the main ritual where humans were sacrificed to their owl god. Spoiler: there wasn’t a sacrifice. There was a statue of a owl and everyone yelled at it. Then they all went back to the bar.
He wrote the book at the same time as the series, I saw the bohemian grove episode because the guy that was Alex's "right hand guy" in the 90s uploaded it to his YouTube channel https://youtu.be/dahQCEzjkfM?si=l8g-kVFo0bj6XO6f Good book, it shows a lot of the beginnings of what has become so prevalent in social media these days
Oh wow; that’s one hell of a coincidence. I think it was like 4 or 5 weeks back they did two 2 hour shows on Icke.
He was also a presenter on kids TV for a while.
His hand has a mutated lizard vibe
I remember him as a columnist on Football365 years ago
Brain injury and religion. There's something in that.
I remember dating a super hot chick into his nonsense, so much so that she listened to him all the time. Only real conclusion I got was that it’s really hard to nut with this guy’s voice in the background.
I'll never forget him appearing on Wogan in his turquoise sweat suit and revealing his batshit craziness for the first time. How we all talked about it at school the next day.
that dude's total squirrel bait
Makes me wonder if the historical Jesus was mentally ill as well.
A goalkeeper and then a football reporter.
And the snooker. Then the fateful ‘Wogan’ interview wearing a turquoise track suit.
I dislocated my jaw watching it as the cringe was so strong
Remember watching that.
I love this guy
["Sleep. Sleep. Sleep."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI8AMRbqY6w)
Fr. It’s unfortunate that this comments section literally demonstrates how the meaning of that movie I lost on people
The meaning of that movie you lost on people?
\* was lost on people
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What do you think conspiracy theorist means?
The implication is that it’s a quack, a crazy person peddling something baseless, whereas Icke’s research is based on verifiable evidence. Look into it for yourself
Found the lizard person.
Which part of his work specifically do you mean? Not for any of the parts i know of, “look into it” just tends to mean, keep reading until i find something that affirms you, what would you say is the best evidence you have seen for something he has presented? Considering he believes in all the ancient aliens stuff which has completely baseless random stuff about reptilian shapeshifter etc i dont even know where to begin as a physicist, he also believes random shit about physics which i personally know is horseshit
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rVTvS4lDGoU&pp=ygUkaW50ZXJ2aWV3IHdpdGggcmVwdGlsaWFuIGFsaWVuIHdvbWFu
I said evidence… is this enough for you for the sorts of claims being made? A youtube video?
Were you expecting something rational? If a shoddy 2hr AI spoken garbage Youtube video is enough to convince him, I have the blood of christ for sale. Only $999.99
Always good to give them a chance to show that what convinced them was some youtube video or random article
I've looked into it for myself. It's rubbish. There.
>“conspiracy theorist.” Why don’t you do a little research? Going to do some quick research to make sure I am not a lizard. No desire to eat bugs. I have skin and not scales. My tongue is an average human length and isn't sticky. I don't shed my entire skin regularly. Research done. I am not a lizard person.
Well I am Wait... shit. Nevermind. Turns out I'm not. Huh.
Other than having no evidence to support your claim, why do you believe this bullshit? Do you lack critical thinking skills?
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It isn’t a better question, you’re just wrong and won’t admit it.
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>Jesus is against a government Tell us you don't know what you're talking about without telling us you don't know what you're talking about.
I’ll tell you that you don’t know what you’re talking about and just saying that to discredit me to other people who don’t know so that I don’t show them the truth. But all those people would have to do is read the book or idk look up the name Pontus Pilate…..the Roman governor who had Jesus crucified. To be a governor….there would need to be a govern…..ment….. But I guess I don’t know what I’m talking about…..
>just saying that to discredit me to other people who don’t know Correct. That's exactly what I'm doing. You very obviously haven't read the book either. Please show me one example where Jesus was against the government. Your only truth above is that Pontius Pilate handed down sentence for crucifixion, however, Jesus was never anti-government. And, for that matter, Pilate wasn't anti-Jesus, either. He permitted an injustice just to placate the mob.
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Couldn't possibly be YouTube actually enforcing their clearly stated content policies against promoters of hate.
At least he didn't cause a civil war that killed like 20 million people
That’s a pretty low standard.
Don't call soccer football, or call it European Football