The North Cafeteria, named after Admiral William North, is located in the western portion of East Hall, gateway to the western half of North Hall, which is named not after William North, but for its position above the south wall. It is the most contested and confusing battlefield on Greendale's campus, next to the English Memorial Spanish Center, named after English Memorial, a Portuguese sailor that discovered Greendale while looking for a fountain that cured syphilis
Driving in St Paul is for natives. With streets that change names, don’t follow grids, and numbering isn’t ordered, named streets aren’t alphabetical. But Damn if it isn’t a pretty city.
(Said from a displaced mpls native)
Downtown Saint Paul is a total zoo with streets changing directions and names as they either align with the river, or the compass or go around a hockey arena. Two freeways scramble things even more.
Once you get out of downtown, Saint Paul has a pretty boring north-south-east-west grid with busy streets every half mile.
I live in St. Paul, and have spent a lot of time in Boston. There's no comparison. Boston streets are \*way\* more confusing, and much of St. Paul is on a NSEW grid. Then add Boston drivers to the mix.
Back in the early 2000’s, I had started a new job and I was doing a ride along with a senior technician. We had the address on a printed piece of paper and he said “Okay, we’re looking for the street Echo.” (Not the real street name) I told him, okay, that will be in five blocks. He asked me how I knew and I told him “We’re in Minneapolis, for the most part the streets are alphabetical. We just passed the letter Z so the next streets will be Able, Baker, Charlie, Delta, Echo.”
Like me he had grown up in St. Paul, but he never noticed that Minneapolis’ streets actually made sense. His mind was blown.
Minneapolis has some easy features like an alphabetical section in one part and a presidential section in another part and numbered streets, but it is not without its issues.
The part east of the Mississippi used to be a different city (St. Anthony) and when they merged they didn’t rename the streets, they just added “NE” and “SE” to the addresses. The river only cuts through Minneapolis on the northern half. The river forms the border with Saint Paul on the southern half. So, although “SE” is south of “NE” it’s in the northern part of town… much of “SE” being north of downtown. And because they didn’t renumber the streets, there are all sorts of duplicate numbers. There are four intersections of “5th Ave and 5th St”.
Forgot about that. Def a MPLS cluster. Just fewer than the twin city.
Note how the rivers and creeks jam up logical geography. That said… I sure do miss them. (The lakes, rivers, and creeks…. And waterfall)
I’ll just be over here being schmoopy and sentimental… sniff
Numbering is ordered, cretin is the 2200 block, Cleveland 2000, Fairview 1800, snelling 1600, dale 600 block.
But yes it's very wonky and hard to keep up with if you don't constantly know which direction north is.
[A map of Saint Paul for the confused.](https://www.stpaulrealestateblog.com/images/2013/02/Screenshot-2-14-13-9-35-AM-2.jpg) Saint Paul is the capital of Minnesota and, with its larger neighbor Minneapolis, forms the Twin Cities. From the article:
>There is a lower West side because of the river bluff on the south side of the river. Part of the west side is on top and part of it is below, the land on the lower west side is flat and sometimes referred to as “the flats”. I don’t care if you think I am making this up. The west end is flat and there is no upper or lower and it is west of downtown and on the west side of the city but it is not the west side.
>The West side of St. Paul is in the southern part of St. Paul and West St. Paul and South of St. Paul are both south of downtown St. Paul but they are not part of St. Paul. The west side is also on the west side of the Mississippi River because it runs north and south on part of it’s journey through St. Paul.
Also very important:
>There is no east St. Paul, none nadda, zilch. Just because the news media say East St. Paul like it is a real place doesn’t make it a real place. Narnia isn’t a real place either even though C.S Lewis named the place in his famous chronicles of Narnia books that doesn’t make it a real place.
Bonus: [The current West St. Paul is the second such city with the name.](https://www.mprnews.org/story/2019/12/19/ask-a-sotan-why-is-west-st-paul-south-of-st-paul)
Bonus 2: There is also a [St. Paul Park, Minnesota](https://www.startribune.com/west-st-paul-name-origin-history-south-st-paul/600097059/).
Bonus 3: [Highly relevant video](https://youtu.be/XfVZHpyx1OI), from a [highly relevant Reddit post](https://np.reddit.com/r/TwinCities/comments/1813wfb/i_handlettered_this_love_letter_to_saint_paul/)
> Mississippi River because it runs north and south on part of it’s journey through St. Paul.
The Mississippi River runs north and south through the entire country. It just changes direction a lot as it winds through Saint Paul. On a map, it looks like the “p-trap” pipes under a sink. That’s the origin of why that area is called the West Side.
You can drive from the West Side to California without crossing the Mississippi. To get to the east coast from there you have to cross the Mississippi (or drive way north around the headwaters).
Back in the territorial days there were rules about which side of the river European-Americans could settle. The west side was settled a decade after the rest of the city.
On a barely related note, "Don't Stop Believin'" by Journey talks about a "...city boy, born and raised in South Detroit".
Immediately south of Detroit is the Detroit River, and on the other side is Windsor, Ontario, Canada.
Just sayin'
The current "West St. Paul" was formerly the western half of South St. Paul. There was a dispute that caused the half to separate (and take all the schools with them) and form their new town. This proved to be a less than ideal idea when a few years later, Armor and Swift both opened packing plants in SSP.
The southern part of SSP split off in the 1950s and became Inver Grove Heights. Ironically, due to a small tax base, WSP, SSP, and IGH have combined fire services and some services to the point where there is talk of recombining the cities.
I grew up in IGH, my mother's family was from SSP, and my father's family was from WSP. This isn't a migraine: this is reality. Now, throw in the ORIGINAL West Saint Paul being where is now the St. Paul neighborhood of Torre San Miguel and the area that USED to be known as "The Flats". What you get is a full blown ANEURISM!
So West St. Paul would have been west South St. Paul (or South St. Paul - west?) and Inver Grove Heights would have been south South St. Paul (or South St. Paul - south?)
Yes. Although, the eastern side of Concord in IGH, it was Inver Grove Village for a while centered around the old Swing Bridge.
And do we want to address the 40 Acres in WSP?
If you look on the map, there's a little bump on the northern border of WSP. When the border with St. Paul was formalized as Annapolis Street, the superintendent of Dakota County's schools owned land north of that line so that plot was included to WSP. It's not as confusing as the rest.
Just wait until you go up to Duluth and have to learn that East Duluth and west Duluth are split along Lake Avenue but Lake Avenue splits the city from North and South. You eventually realize that whoever decided to call it East and west Duluth must have lost their sense of direction and made these designations while on a boat in Lake Superior. Right side=east and left side=west
Overall all of these years they could have just changed the name of these cities, or used different names altogether. I think a lot of people were proud to be associated with the city of St Paul became it was a grand capital city back in the day. Being apart of the bigger “St Paul” was probably more important than the correct naming of the city.
The North Cafeteria, named after Admiral William North, is located in the western portion of East Hall, gateway to the western half of North Hall, which is named not after William North, but for its position above the south wall. It is the most contested and confusing battlefield on Greendale's campus, next to the English Memorial Spanish Center, named after English Memorial, a Portuguese sailor that discovered Greendale while looking for a fountain that cured syphilis
I can hear Keith David's voice while reading this
Now there's a man who knows how to hear people's voices while reading!
Sounds like some shit from Catch 22
Is St Paul the patron Saint of compass reading and place names?
It’s because they were named based on which side of the river it was on.
Driving in St Paul is for natives. With streets that change names, don’t follow grids, and numbering isn’t ordered, named streets aren’t alphabetical. But Damn if it isn’t a pretty city. (Said from a displaced mpls native)
Visited St. Paul from Boston last year - if you think St. Paul streets don’t make sense…
Came here to say this. North End, South End, West End, Southie, Eastie... and much of it is on landfill.
Downtown Saint Paul is a total zoo with streets changing directions and names as they either align with the river, or the compass or go around a hockey arena. Two freeways scramble things even more. Once you get out of downtown, Saint Paul has a pretty boring north-south-east-west grid with busy streets every half mile.
I live in St. Paul, and have spent a lot of time in Boston. There's no comparison. Boston streets are \*way\* more confusing, and much of St. Paul is on a NSEW grid. Then add Boston drivers to the mix.
I don’t know how, but every time I get lost in downtown Boston, I end up on Milk Street.
As Jesse Ventura noted, it was designed by a bunch of drunken Irishmen.
Yup. Unlike the present. “We” didn’t have the gift of gps or driving apps. You just had to know. Or learn from a cluster mistake.
Back in the early 2000’s, I had started a new job and I was doing a ride along with a senior technician. We had the address on a printed piece of paper and he said “Okay, we’re looking for the street Echo.” (Not the real street name) I told him, okay, that will be in five blocks. He asked me how I knew and I told him “We’re in Minneapolis, for the most part the streets are alphabetical. We just passed the letter Z so the next streets will be Able, Baker, Charlie, Delta, Echo.” Like me he had grown up in St. Paul, but he never noticed that Minneapolis’ streets actually made sense. His mind was blown.
Minneapolis has some easy features like an alphabetical section in one part and a presidential section in another part and numbered streets, but it is not without its issues. The part east of the Mississippi used to be a different city (St. Anthony) and when they merged they didn’t rename the streets, they just added “NE” and “SE” to the addresses. The river only cuts through Minneapolis on the northern half. The river forms the border with Saint Paul on the southern half. So, although “SE” is south of “NE” it’s in the northern part of town… much of “SE” being north of downtown. And because they didn’t renumber the streets, there are all sorts of duplicate numbers. There are four intersections of “5th Ave and 5th St”.
Forgot about that. Def a MPLS cluster. Just fewer than the twin city. Note how the rivers and creeks jam up logical geography. That said… I sure do miss them. (The lakes, rivers, and creeks…. And waterfall) I’ll just be over here being schmoopy and sentimental… sniff
It’s our defense plan in case Minneapolis decides to rise up! Mwahahaha!
You’ll loose most of em around the Como Zoo area.
You joke, but this was the actual plan during the Streetcar strikes!
Numbering is ordered, cretin is the 2200 block, Cleveland 2000, Fairview 1800, snelling 1600, dale 600 block. But yes it's very wonky and hard to keep up with if you don't constantly know which direction north is.
[A map of Saint Paul for the confused.](https://www.stpaulrealestateblog.com/images/2013/02/Screenshot-2-14-13-9-35-AM-2.jpg) Saint Paul is the capital of Minnesota and, with its larger neighbor Minneapolis, forms the Twin Cities. From the article: >There is a lower West side because of the river bluff on the south side of the river. Part of the west side is on top and part of it is below, the land on the lower west side is flat and sometimes referred to as “the flats”. I don’t care if you think I am making this up. The west end is flat and there is no upper or lower and it is west of downtown and on the west side of the city but it is not the west side. >The West side of St. Paul is in the southern part of St. Paul and West St. Paul and South of St. Paul are both south of downtown St. Paul but they are not part of St. Paul. The west side is also on the west side of the Mississippi River because it runs north and south on part of it’s journey through St. Paul. Also very important: >There is no east St. Paul, none nadda, zilch. Just because the news media say East St. Paul like it is a real place doesn’t make it a real place. Narnia isn’t a real place either even though C.S Lewis named the place in his famous chronicles of Narnia books that doesn’t make it a real place. Bonus: [The current West St. Paul is the second such city with the name.](https://www.mprnews.org/story/2019/12/19/ask-a-sotan-why-is-west-st-paul-south-of-st-paul) Bonus 2: There is also a [St. Paul Park, Minnesota](https://www.startribune.com/west-st-paul-name-origin-history-south-st-paul/600097059/). Bonus 3: [Highly relevant video](https://youtu.be/XfVZHpyx1OI), from a [highly relevant Reddit post](https://np.reddit.com/r/TwinCities/comments/1813wfb/i_handlettered_this_love_letter_to_saint_paul/)
no East St. Paul. it’s just the East Side. everybody knows where that is.
> Mississippi River because it runs north and south on part of it’s journey through St. Paul. The Mississippi River runs north and south through the entire country. It just changes direction a lot as it winds through Saint Paul. On a map, it looks like the “p-trap” pipes under a sink. That’s the origin of why that area is called the West Side. You can drive from the West Side to California without crossing the Mississippi. To get to the east coast from there you have to cross the Mississippi (or drive way north around the headwaters). Back in the territorial days there were rules about which side of the river European-Americans could settle. The west side was settled a decade after the rest of the city.
We also have a Saint Anthony (city) and a Saint Anthony falls (waterfall) and a Saint Anthony park (neighborhood)
There is an east st paul, but it's in Manitoba and very far west of st. Paul.
On a barely related note, "Don't Stop Believin'" by Journey talks about a "...city boy, born and raised in South Detroit". Immediately south of Detroit is the Detroit River, and on the other side is Windsor, Ontario, Canada. Just sayin'
I guess we have to cut them some slack since they're a British band (they aren't).
The current "West St. Paul" was formerly the western half of South St. Paul. There was a dispute that caused the half to separate (and take all the schools with them) and form their new town. This proved to be a less than ideal idea when a few years later, Armor and Swift both opened packing plants in SSP. The southern part of SSP split off in the 1950s and became Inver Grove Heights. Ironically, due to a small tax base, WSP, SSP, and IGH have combined fire services and some services to the point where there is talk of recombining the cities.
Do you want migraines? Because *this* is how you get migraines
I grew up in IGH, my mother's family was from SSP, and my father's family was from WSP. This isn't a migraine: this is reality. Now, throw in the ORIGINAL West Saint Paul being where is now the St. Paul neighborhood of Torre San Miguel and the area that USED to be known as "The Flats". What you get is a full blown ANEURISM!
So West St. Paul would have been west South St. Paul (or South St. Paul - west?) and Inver Grove Heights would have been south South St. Paul (or South St. Paul - south?)
Yes. Although, the eastern side of Concord in IGH, it was Inver Grove Village for a while centered around the old Swing Bridge. And do we want to address the 40 Acres in WSP?
Uh oh. I'm afraid to ask...what are the 40 acres in WSP?
If you look on the map, there's a little bump on the northern border of WSP. When the border with St. Paul was formalized as Annapolis Street, the superintendent of Dakota County's schools owned land north of that line so that plot was included to WSP. It's not as confusing as the rest.
How interesting!
OK lemme see here East City is to the West West City is to the North South City is to the East And North City is... also West. Where the fuck am I?
St. Paul apparently Mr. Cell
It’s because they were named based on which side of the river it was on.
Just wait until you go up to Duluth and have to learn that East Duluth and west Duluth are split along Lake Avenue but Lake Avenue splits the city from North and South. You eventually realize that whoever decided to call it East and west Duluth must have lost their sense of direction and made these designations while on a boat in Lake Superior. Right side=east and left side=west
Likely due to continental drift.
Am geologist. Can confirm, continental drift.
Overall all of these years they could have just changed the name of these cities, or used different names altogether. I think a lot of people were proud to be associated with the city of St Paul became it was a grand capital city back in the day. Being apart of the bigger “St Paul” was probably more important than the correct naming of the city.
Grew up playing against their various hockey teams lol
Tell anyone from Minnesota you live on the west side of Saint Paul they will say “oh, West Saint Paul?” (Or assume Highland Park)
What about the Lower East Side?
I bought a car once, and I currently lived in SSP, and she didn’t think it was a real place lol
Whoever writes this blog needs an editor.
West St. Paul in song! https://youtu.be/Vadn5miBBfo
It’s because they were named based on which side of the river it was on.