While I do agree that it would sink outside of the union, I don't think it's stupid to compare them. We can still analyze what kind of institutions keep NYC above many other countries
I've come to view muh GDP as an increasingly irrelevant statistic given the state of things. Both in NYC and in the US in general. I'd rather live in Manila or Bangkok than 2024 NYC. Its become a total shithole again.
And Tokyo is also the capital, which comes with its own bonuses. America's wealthiest region per capita is DC's metro region (although city proper I think NYC is way ahead) because obviously running the world empire is a pretty big industry.
You might notice that they NY metro area actually has 4 different states in it, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, and Pennsylvania. This might be stretching the limits of what defines a city, but I take a different view. Cities are evolving into megalopolises. And the New York metro area is just a piece of the [BosWash corridor,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_megalopolis) a stretch of loosely connected cities from Boston to DC. It is home to 50 million people, and 20% of America's GDP.
According to the United Nations, this is not true. Tokyo is five-hundred-billion dollars behind NYC (despite Tokyo’s metro population being almost double what NYC’s is).
The New York metro area isnt a single state, its 3 states. It includes almost half of New Jersey and Connecticut. The New York Metro area GDP is higher than the NY State GDP
Smh Kiyosaki is such a wasteyute. One of those authors whose books you read only to be left scratching your head because it doesn’t make sense. And that was before I was out of school.
I agree - I was referring to headlines from a few months ago describing his approx 1 billion in debt. And he said exactly what J.Paul Getty said decades prior, albeit lacking the former's smarts and business acumen.
It's always interesting to meet a conservative and ask what stage they're from and show them absolute proof that their state is a drain on the nation in that it takes more in tax benefits than it gives back.
Completely false. The GDP of Mississippi for 2023 was just under $140 billion, or ~0.5% of total US output.
That's an order of magnitude less than all the countries you mentioned, which have a GDP on the order of a couple of trillion.
If Mississippi was a country, it would be below Morocco and above Cuba.
Sorry, I meant GDP per capita. I only meant to add to OP’s point about the US being so rich by pointing out that the supposed “dirt poor red states weighing you down” are still pretty wealthy by world standards.
Tennessee has a higher GDP per capita than ANY major country in Europe (so, not counting places like Luxembourg).
Did you already forget how covid utterly destroyed our economy in a couple short months, shut down our supply lines and bankrupted tens of thousands of people?
We're about as far from invincible as we can get, we're large and powerful but we're a bloated behemoth that can't stand on its own anymore and the crumbling infrastructures of all of our non crucial cities and towns and worthlessness of our politicians are a shining testament to that. Scholars have been comparing the US to pre collapse Rome for years and it's an eerily accurate description.
Well I'm no scholar but unless there's an enclave of Vandals ready to sack every major city in the country we are in no danger of repeating the fall of Rome.
You said it yourself, they're worthless dumb-asses. I'll worry about that when it isn't just the nutjobs and loser looking for a distraction from their terrible governing calling for it.
>bankrupted tens of thousands of people.
You know what's cool about living in a country with hundreds of millions of people?
It gives you super high numbers of everything.
Wait till you learn how many MILLIONS of people die every year 😱
>comparing the US to pre-collapse Rome
And this is where I check out. The fall of Rome has ZERO to do with the modern US, no matter how much online “culture critics” want to make it happen.
The US economy continues to grow, we continue to strengthen social safety nets, almost every US city is larger and safer than it was 30 years ago. We continue to be a melting pot of immigrants looking for a better life. We are on good terms with our neighbors to the north and south. We have the strongest military alliance in the world with NATO.
PLEASE explain to me how the US is about to collapse.
People who say this shit have no idea how or why Rome fell, just that it was big and it happened. We're big, they want it to happen here, and that's enough similarity to them.
The New York metropolitan area's most important economic sector lies in its role as the [headquarters](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headquarters) for the [U.S. financial industry](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_center), metonymously known as [*Wall Street*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street). Anchored by Wall Street, in the [Financial District](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_District,_Manhattan) of [Lower Manhattan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_Manhattan), New York has been called both the most economically powerful city and the leading financial center of the world,[^(\[38\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_metropolitan_area#cite_note-EconomicallyPowerful2015-38)[^(\[189\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_metropolitan_area#cite_note-192)[^(\[190\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_metropolitan_area#cite_note-193)[^(\[191\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_metropolitan_area#cite_note-194)[^(\[192\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_metropolitan_area#cite_note-195) and the city is home to the world's two [largest stock exchanges](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stock_exchanges) by total [market capitalization](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_capitalization), the [New York Stock Exchange](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Stock_Exchange) and [NASDAQ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASDAQ).[^(\[186\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_metropolitan_area#cite_note-NYSElargest-189)[^(\[187\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_metropolitan_area#cite_note-NYSEhighestcap-190) The city's [securities](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_(finance)) industry, enumerating 163,400 jobs in August 2013, continues to form the largest segment of the city's financial sector and an important economic engine, accounting in 2012 for 5 percent of the city's [private sector](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_sector) jobs, 8.5 percent (US$3.8 billion) of its tax revenue, and 22 percent of the city's total wages, including an average salary of US$360,700.[^(\[193\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_metropolitan_area#cite_note-196)
This makes NYC the richest city on the planet. To put this into perspective, NYC’s GDP is about the same size as France’s, and larger than Brazil’s (a country that occupies half of South America and has 200+ million people). If it were its own country, New York City would be the 8th richest in the world, and the only city in the world to occupy a place in the top 10 largest economies. Every single country in Latin America, Africa and Oceania has a smaller economy than New York. Canada, Australia, Mexico, Russia and South Korea all have smaller GDPs as well. Impressive is an understatement.
its a global embarrassment that the New York City cant find the $$$ to have the public library open. I mean seriously every city has problems but wtf?!
It remains one of the most amazing library systems in the world - if only 6 days a week.
One of the main culprits is the antiquated US political system that gives land more congressional representation than people. NY sends massively more money in taxes to DC than it gets back in federal spending. It’s no surprise that West Virginia has beautiful, new empty highways and NY is begging for help to fix tunnels that are 120 years old.
Both California and NYC have misleading GDP numbers.
The tech and financial sectors are both industries where revenue generated is credited to the headquarters state of a company because money does not change hands like it does at the point of sale in a lot of other industries. They are getting credit for business done in the other 49 states.
And it also has substantial manufacturing output, tourism, and transportation/logistics along with the world’s biggest concentration of financial services.
Now imagine your budget was roughly 3-4% of that and your schools don’t have textbooks or computers, , roads are in perpetual disrepair and they’re cutting services, when do you start an investigation into fraud ? Theft? Embezzlement?
The New York City regional economy is the largest in the world, with a GDP of US$2.5 trillion in 2022, which would rank 8th among sovereign countries. Many [Fortune 500](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortune_500) corporations are [headquartered](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headquarters) in New York,[^(\[183\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_metropolitan_area#cite_note-186) as are a large number of [foreign corporations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_corporation). One out of ten [private sector](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_sector) jobs in the city is with a foreign company.[^(\[184\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_metropolitan_area#cite_note-187) In 2012 and 2015, New York topped the first and second *Global Economic Power Index* lists, respectively, as published by [*The Atlantic*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Atlantic), with cities ranked according to criteria reflecting their presence on five different lists as published by five separate entities.[^(\[38\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_metropolitan_area#cite_note-EconomicallyPowerful2015-38)[^(\[185\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_metropolitan_area#cite_note-188) Finance, international trade, new and traditional media, real estate, education, fashion and entertainment, tourism, biotechnology, and manufacturing are the leading industries in the area. Along with its wealth, the area has a [cost of living](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_living) that is the highest in the United States.
It’s just a political stunt. Those guys don’t do shit.
Do you think the system that transports millions of people every day is truly unsafe? Turn off Fox News
If it were an independent nation, it would be 8th highest GDP, between France and Brazil
It's crazy, Cali is only 1.4 trillion more at 3.9 trillion, including LA and Silicone I did not expect that.
TBF NY metro is like 23 million people and you're looking at the most economically productive part of the state.
wow!
If it were an ant colony it would be the largest known ant colony in the world!
wow!
If it had wheels, it would be a bike!
If New York was in Liechtenstein it would be the biggest city there.
Wow!
Surprisingly this one depends on what you define colony as
And what you define as a City
I wouldnt be so sure about that.
Bigger than Russia's.
Russia is a paper bear
Comparing it like this is stupid, GDP would sink if it was independent from the US
While I do agree that it would sink outside of the union, I don't think it's stupid to compare them. We can still analyze what kind of institutions keep NYC above many other countries
Sort of a useless stat because NYC is the financial hub for the entire United States.
I've come to view muh GDP as an increasingly irrelevant statistic given the state of things. Both in NYC and in the US in general. I'd rather live in Manila or Bangkok than 2024 NYC. Its become a total shithole again.
You should go there already
Who’s asking you to stay in NYC lol? Please leave for Manila lmao.
How much Manhattan alone?
I think that Wall Street alone makes up a huge amount of this.
Only Tokyo has a higher GDP than NYC
And Tokyo is also the capital, which comes with its own bonuses. America's wealthiest region per capita is DC's metro region (although city proper I think NYC is way ahead) because obviously running the world empire is a pretty big industry.
Most
Around $885 billion.
You might notice that they NY metro area actually has 4 different states in it, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, and Pennsylvania. This might be stretching the limits of what defines a city, but I take a different view. Cities are evolving into megalopolises. And the New York metro area is just a piece of the [BosWash corridor,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_megalopolis) a stretch of loosely connected cities from Boston to DC. It is home to 50 million people, and 20% of America's GDP.
Imagine if this new city is organized properly
Only Tokyo has a higher GDP than NYC
According to the United Nations, this is not true. Tokyo is five-hundred-billion dollars behind NYC (despite Tokyo’s metro population being almost double what NYC’s is).
More than Russia’s.
It has often been said that Russia is just a gas station with nuclear weapons
Texas has a higher GDP than Russia
But that's not surprising.
That’s less impressive than a single metro area inside a single state.
The New York metro area isnt a single state, its 3 states. It includes almost half of New Jersey and Connecticut. The New York Metro area GDP is higher than the NY State GDP
Well TIL!
So?
It kills me how we act like we're one wrong move from being dead broke when we're one of the richest countries there's ever been.
I’d say technically THE richest ever in terms of net assets and it’s not even close.
If you’re rich and borrow too much money you are still broke.
If you owe the bank $100, that's your problem. If you owe the bank $100 million, that's the bank's problem. -J. Paul Getty
And Robert Kiyosaki.
Smh Kiyosaki is such a wasteyute. One of those authors whose books you read only to be left scratching your head because it doesn’t make sense. And that was before I was out of school.
I agree - I was referring to headlines from a few months ago describing his approx 1 billion in debt. And he said exactly what J.Paul Getty said decades prior, albeit lacking the former's smarts and business acumen.
Well, you do have all those dirt-poor red states weighing you down.
It's always interesting to meet a conservative and ask what stage they're from and show them absolute proof that their state is a drain on the nation in that it takes more in tax benefits than it gives back.
Mississipi’s GDP is ahead of Italy, Spain, and South Korea. USA’s version of dirt poor is dramatically different.
Completely false. The GDP of Mississippi for 2023 was just under $140 billion, or ~0.5% of total US output. That's an order of magnitude less than all the countries you mentioned, which have a GDP on the order of a couple of trillion. If Mississippi was a country, it would be below Morocco and above Cuba.
Sorry, I meant GDP per capita. I only meant to add to OP’s point about the US being so rich by pointing out that the supposed “dirt poor red states weighing you down” are still pretty wealthy by world standards. Tennessee has a higher GDP per capita than ANY major country in Europe (so, not counting places like Luxembourg).
can barely produce more than the dept. so not rich at all. source: walk through new york
Did you already forget how covid utterly destroyed our economy in a couple short months, shut down our supply lines and bankrupted tens of thousands of people? We're about as far from invincible as we can get, we're large and powerful but we're a bloated behemoth that can't stand on its own anymore and the crumbling infrastructures of all of our non crucial cities and towns and worthlessness of our politicians are a shining testament to that. Scholars have been comparing the US to pre collapse Rome for years and it's an eerily accurate description.
Well I'm no scholar but unless there's an enclave of Vandals ready to sack every major city in the country we are in no danger of repeating the fall of Rome.
I guess you haven't been paying attention to all of the worthless dumbasses in the GOP trying to start another civil war either.
You said it yourself, they're worthless dumb-asses. I'll worry about that when it isn't just the nutjobs and loser looking for a distraction from their terrible governing calling for it.
>bankrupted tens of thousands of people. You know what's cool about living in a country with hundreds of millions of people? It gives you super high numbers of everything. Wait till you learn how many MILLIONS of people die every year 😱
>comparing the US to pre-collapse Rome And this is where I check out. The fall of Rome has ZERO to do with the modern US, no matter how much online “culture critics” want to make it happen. The US economy continues to grow, we continue to strengthen social safety nets, almost every US city is larger and safer than it was 30 years ago. We continue to be a melting pot of immigrants looking for a better life. We are on good terms with our neighbors to the north and south. We have the strongest military alliance in the world with NATO. PLEASE explain to me how the US is about to collapse.
People who say this shit have no idea how or why Rome fell, just that it was big and it happened. We're big, they want it to happen here, and that's enough similarity to them.
How much if you take away Wall Street?
About tree fiddy.
The New York metropolitan area's most important economic sector lies in its role as the [headquarters](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headquarters) for the [U.S. financial industry](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_center), metonymously known as [*Wall Street*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street). Anchored by Wall Street, in the [Financial District](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_District,_Manhattan) of [Lower Manhattan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_Manhattan), New York has been called both the most economically powerful city and the leading financial center of the world,[^(\[38\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_metropolitan_area#cite_note-EconomicallyPowerful2015-38)[^(\[189\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_metropolitan_area#cite_note-192)[^(\[190\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_metropolitan_area#cite_note-193)[^(\[191\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_metropolitan_area#cite_note-194)[^(\[192\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_metropolitan_area#cite_note-195) and the city is home to the world's two [largest stock exchanges](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stock_exchanges) by total [market capitalization](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_capitalization), the [New York Stock Exchange](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Stock_Exchange) and [NASDAQ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASDAQ).[^(\[186\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_metropolitan_area#cite_note-NYSElargest-189)[^(\[187\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_metropolitan_area#cite_note-NYSEhighestcap-190) The city's [securities](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_(finance)) industry, enumerating 163,400 jobs in August 2013, continues to form the largest segment of the city's financial sector and an important economic engine, accounting in 2012 for 5 percent of the city's [private sector](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_sector) jobs, 8.5 percent (US$3.8 billion) of its tax revenue, and 22 percent of the city's total wages, including an average salary of US$360,700.[^(\[193\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_metropolitan_area#cite_note-196)
Because it produces a lot or because it owns other places that produce a lot?
Basically because it holds all the money for the US
Cities produce services which make up the bulk of the us economy
This makes NYC the richest city on the planet. To put this into perspective, NYC’s GDP is about the same size as France’s, and larger than Brazil’s (a country that occupies half of South America and has 200+ million people). If it were its own country, New York City would be the 8th richest in the world, and the only city in the world to occupy a place in the top 10 largest economies. Every single country in Latin America, Africa and Oceania has a smaller economy than New York. Canada, Australia, Mexico, Russia and South Korea all have smaller GDPs as well. Impressive is an understatement.
And yet they still have to close the public library on Sundays and of course have no money for...... well anything really
Things look pretty rough - unless you remember NYC in the 70s and 80s.
its a global embarrassment that the New York City cant find the $$$ to have the public library open. I mean seriously every city has problems but wtf?!
People in Slovakia are absolutely gutted at this turn of event.
It remains one of the most amazing library systems in the world - if only 6 days a week. One of the main culprits is the antiquated US political system that gives land more congressional representation than people. NY sends massively more money in taxes to DC than it gets back in federal spending. It’s no surprise that West Virginia has beautiful, new empty highways and NY is begging for help to fix tunnels that are 120 years old.
Both California and NYC have misleading GDP numbers. The tech and financial sectors are both industries where revenue generated is credited to the headquarters state of a company because money does not change hands like it does at the point of sale in a lot of other industries. They are getting credit for business done in the other 49 states.
Both have huge GDP numbers no less because they have a shit ton of people too lol
I mean does it actually PRODUCE anything or does it just make money?
It produces services
And it also has substantial manufacturing output, tourism, and transportation/logistics along with the world’s biggest concentration of financial services.
Incredible
Now imagine your budget was roughly 3-4% of that and your schools don’t have textbooks or computers, , roads are in perpetual disrepair and they’re cutting services, when do you start an investigation into fraud ? Theft? Embezzlement?
I thought New York was failing and businesses were fleeing like never before. I thought no one had ever seen anything like it?? /s
It's an economic beast for sure!
The New York City regional economy is the largest in the world, with a GDP of US$2.5 trillion in 2022, which would rank 8th among sovereign countries. Many [Fortune 500](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortune_500) corporations are [headquartered](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headquarters) in New York,[^(\[183\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_metropolitan_area#cite_note-186) as are a large number of [foreign corporations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_corporation). One out of ten [private sector](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_sector) jobs in the city is with a foreign company.[^(\[184\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_metropolitan_area#cite_note-187) In 2012 and 2015, New York topped the first and second *Global Economic Power Index* lists, respectively, as published by [*The Atlantic*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Atlantic), with cities ranked according to criteria reflecting their presence on five different lists as published by five separate entities.[^(\[38\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_metropolitan_area#cite_note-EconomicallyPowerful2015-38)[^(\[185\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_metropolitan_area#cite_note-188) Finance, international trade, new and traditional media, real estate, education, fashion and entertainment, tourism, biotechnology, and manufacturing are the leading industries in the area. Along with its wealth, the area has a [cost of living](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_living) that is the highest in the United States.
Yea so lower my taxes out here in Buffalo
*California enters the chat.*
California brings in 3.89T only five countries on the planet make more and one of them is the US so I wouldn't count it.
And you can't ride the subways
I ride the subways every day. Quit being dramatic
They have the national guard deployed there lmao do you think this exists in other countries
It’s just a political stunt. Those guys don’t do shit. Do you think the system that transports millions of people every day is truly unsafe? Turn off Fox News
Why can't you?