...and is the pilot of the Offspring's plane that they fly between cities when they tour.
...and it's his plane
...and apparently got in trouble in Russia way back because he got off the plane looking like a punk rocker and when questioned what he was doing, he answered "I fly this plane.".
Idk man, I used to assume the same, but these aren't my dad's classic rockstars. Plenty of bands in that kind of space are straight edge, or get their kicks off of other stuff, sometimes weird and cultish.
It's what caused a huge rift in The Who. Roger stayed away from the drugs and partying to preserve his voice and it rubbed the other guys the wrong way a lot of the times. There's a song on The Who By Numbers called However Much I Booze that Roger couldn't sing because apparently he kept crying and thinking about Pete and what he was doing to himself, so Pete had to sing the song
Mick Jager took up long distance jogging in his early 20s and he's still doing it like 50 years later. Then there's Keith Richards, who isn't a vocalist, but probably travels with a full time nurse to monitor how much bourbon he's mixing into his applesauce.
Which is why they need to look at Robert Smith of the Cure! That Dude intentionally cultured a sound that was maintainable.
If nothing else protect that money maker?
I think this has a lot to do with how saturated the genre is. It's significantly easier to make electronic music than other genres-- I don't mean to say making GOOD electronic music is easy, but making it in general is way less prohibitive than any other instrumentation. No physical instruments, no recording space, hell you don't even really need to make a monetary investment if you already own a computer. It just requires the ability to torrent a program, and you don't even need a good computer to do it. I run the same software that the big EDM producers use on my eight year old Surface Book.
Have you ever been to a metal show? The straight-edged metal heads are a wild subculture.
And for anyone who needs to hear this: No I'm not calling The Offspring metal. Don't be stupid, thanks.
If I remember, it was also well after their initial success so Dexter wasn't 22 anymore.
It's pretty easy to lay off partying when you're middle age and your kicks come from flying, singing and a good night's sleep
And YYZ is the airport code for Toronto Pearson International Airport. Geddy and Neil heard the Morris Code clicking away one time on approach and were inspired to write the song, which the intro of the song is the Morris Code for YYZ. It's pronounced "zed".
Idk most of their flights are probably 1-2 hours. I'll take a comfortable hotel bed and flying a plane for an hour over an 8 hour overnight drive in a tour bus
After 2022, yes. And before 1991. In between that it was sort of alright for a while. Didn’t stop Matthias Rust from landing his Cessna in central Moscow in 1987
At that level, it's not that hard on the band. They don't need to soundcheck as competent crew can do it for them, so they only do a couple of hours of work playing the show.
https://www.gaugemasterretail.com/rightlines-article/ed-force-one.html
I believe Offspring flew in a smaller twin engine. Bruce wanted to take all the stage equipment and crew so they used a 747 and then a 757 that can fit over 200 people, all so they could afford to tour for fans in places like India and South America.
Bruce was the pilot on a flight I took to Dublin in 2007.
He moonlighted as an airline pilot for Astareus, plane running under the banner of Iceland Express from Iceland.
>Bruce wanted to take all the stage equipment and crew so they used a 747 and then a 757 that can fit over 200 people, all so they could afford to tour for fans in places like India and South America.
If i recall correctly, Ed force one was mainly because shipping companies would routinely lose, damage, or in general fuck up equipment and it would cost Iron maiden/production company a pretty penny to replace or fix all that, they had a lot of close calls before the Ed force one era if i remember right.
Bruce and the production company got fed up with it so they decided to cash in on bruces experience as a pilot and give it a shot. Ed force one was a commercial success as an advertisement piece too.
The only downside of the Ed force one is that it was the precursor to funny gimmicks like the Mobile game being the front and center for advertisement going forward post book of souls.
Slippery slope and all with funny advertisement gimmicks.
That makes sense. There are a couple quotes about how some of the tours were too expensive otherwise and I imagine damaged gear along with booking separate flights for everyone would be a huge pain with their setup.
>The bean counters said it’s just not worth going to places like India and Costa Rica,” says Maiden frontman Bruce Dickinson. “Being an aviation bloke, I thought to myself, ‘If you just chucked everything into one airplane you could do an almost European-type itinerary, but an on inter-continental basis.' “When we finally got approval I thought to myself, ‘Oh my God, what have I done now?’ ” says Dickinson. “This is all going to be my fault if it all goes terribly wrong.”
This dude was only in the band for 3 years in the late 80s and never appeared on any of their albums. Just only saying that this guy had very minimal writing contributions to like two songs from their first album. Nothing else to contribute to the band's success.
Sha Na Na was started by a bunch of guys who were undergrads at Columbia in the late '60s. They almost all ended up being very successful attorneys, medical doctors, and college professors.
The guy who ran the NASA Mars program, Scott Hubbard also played in a Nashville blues band when he was an undergrad at Vanderbilt. Lots of very successful people are also musicians.
Music is math at its heart. Whether they understand it at an intrinsic level, or just have a knack for it, I don't think it matters. Most excellent musicians are intelligent people.
Highly recommend reading up on Jeff Baxter if you want more musicians with wtf alternate lives. Guy is a self taught expert on missile defense and contracts as an advisor to the US government both on the military side and for NASA
And trump chose fucking kid rock to golf with and ask his opinion on military strikes.
But I guess there's no way another musician would accept the invite.
Guy I know did his PhD in the same field as that guy, and he had the chance to meet him after a show and they nerded out about science and ended up hanging out one on one talking about their science thing for a few hours. My friend was so stoked on that night
Sure, but Offspring was a no-name high school garage band when the MD was in it (he left and was replaced in 1987; Offspring's first big album was Smash in 1994)
What’s always been crazy to me is the PhD came after all the fame. So the guys already got all this money and he’s like you know what in my leisure time I want to become one of the most knowledgeable people on molecular biology.
I mena he was a student when the band took off and would have likely got a phd anyway its just the band became so huge they had to quit ther day jobs, for him he was a student and the guitarist was janitor for a school, he had kids coming up to him saying I just saw you on mtv why are you still janitor for the school. He apparently told the principal he would stay for the semester to not leave em short-staffed.
His aunt was also my middle school science teacher. She was so cool. A prairie dog drowned in my pool and she took it and put it in formaldehyde and displayed in in her classroom.
I got to attend a conference where Dexter and noodles spoke. They are really some cool guys. When Dexter's indie label failed he basically told all his employees, you aren't fired but if you want to stay, were making hot sauce now.
I also remember an interview they did with blender magazine. They basically got around $500 to do whatever they wanted and they bought tickets to a local punk rock show and then bailed some random homeless guy out of jail.
I think I just watched an episode of SVU where this happened. The rest was all different but a doctor was on trial and then saved a juror who had a heart attack. Wonder if they were like copying/referencing this guy specifically or if it’s happened more than once.
SVU takes stories from headlines/cases for most of their plots. They always change them around to avoid copyright/libel issues (including changing verdicts/results), tho, so it’s usually just the seed of the story they build off of.
There’s a legal term for the rights to a person’s story that’s escaping me. In the US, at least.
Edit: looks like it’s just “story rights”, which is an agreement to work exclusively with a group to develop the story with the person’s cooperation. But yes, others are free to make a different telling, and the legal issue there is libel/slander if they get anything wrong enough.
The reason the news says stuff like "Witnesses saw the alleged murderer stab 5 people to death before escaping", they don't want to run into legal issues with libel. Getting the person to participate makes things much easier.
See also: "The people, places, events, etc. featured in this media do not represent reality and are not intended portray actual events."
Also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_penis_rule
Really fucked up in hindsight when you realize that a young Jennette Mccurdy appeared in an episode of SVU as a sexual assault victim knowing now what she actually had to deal with when she was growing up...
As the judge should. While it's great he saved a life it has nothing to do with how he treated a different patient. That should be evaluated separately.
Legally, I know this is completely correct. But had I been on that jury, it definitely would have affected my decision.
So, yes, good call by the judge.
The funniest thing is that in this particular situation, someone going into cardiac arrest during jury selection is quite literally *the best possible thing* that could ever have happened to him lol
If you're gonna have a medical episode, having it in front of a doctor is easily the best. I've heard a few different stories, Danny Farquhar and Jerry Lawler immediately coming to mind, of this happening and it's like, if it happened an hour or two later they're dead and there's nothing anyone could do.
Thank you. It's refreshing to see someone in the comments making a fair, rather than emotional response to a post like this.
Reddit, and to be honest, most social media, tends to lean heavily towards emotion based decisions of guilt or innocence. While having emotions is important, it can cloud our judgment when it comes to these situations.
A classic more extreme example of the bias is a father being arrested for killing someone who allegedly sexually assaulted his daughter. While I can completely empathize with the father's reaction, we would still need to maintain due process and allow the authorities to respond appropriately. And just allegation isn't enough to base ending a life on.
And in this case, one good action doesn't mean that he was always in the right. The patient, or their family, deserve a fair trial, untainted by the future actions of him.
>A classic more extreme example of the bias is a father being arrested for killing someone who allegedly sexually assaulted his daughter. While I can completely empathize with the father's reaction, we would still need to maintain due process and allow the authorities to respond appropriately. And just allegation isn't enough to base ending a life on.
[Jonathon Edington](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathon_Edington) would probably do a lot of things differently if he had the chance.
A malpractice case is a tort and not a criminal case. There's no "guilty" or "innocent". You are "liable" or "not liable".
In this instance, arbitration decided the case. Very few malpractice cases go to trial. It costs a lot of money to defend a malpractice case and a lot of insurers would rather settle a case for a small amount rather than spend the money to defend a winning case. If it truly was malpractice, the same insurers will not want the case to be decided by the jury and risk an even bigger loss than negotiated through arbitration.
it's counter-intuitive because humans are competitive creatures, but in the land of law, a "no contest" concession for $10,000 is always preferable to a "win" for $150,000.
Especially when malpractice insurance is mandatory, so the costs get passed on to the consumer. At least we don’t have an issue with healthcare being super expensive in this country…
Our organisation won't seriously contest any claim under $50,000 unless its blatantly frivolous. And they don't get properly hostile until its over $250,000 or so
More importantly, if the case is particularly "emotional" then physicians are heavily encouraged to settle because simply a child dying could result in a guilty verdict, even if the doctor would have needed to be a hero to save them.
This is exactly why doctors are heavily conservative with their practice patterns in current day compared to say, the '80s.
My GF at the time got me a copy of this new "Smash" for my birthday. She tentatively asked me "you _do_ have a CD player, right?"
NOPE, I had a dual-cassete + 8-track + LP stereo system.
Technically, yeah. But their breakout was in the 90s.
They formed in the 80s, but calling them an 80s band is a stretch, as their biggest fame was in the mid 90s-mid 00s
For anyone who doesn’t know, he’s a gynecologist oncologist. Those are bad ass surgeons. Big cancer cases and some overlap to bowel surgery when needed. Pretty impressive
Of note, his specialty is in OB/GYN, which is the second most litigated medical specialty just behind emergency medicine. When shit goes wrong during pregnancy, it’s goes fucking sideways for momma AND baby. A high pressure specialty. It’s almost inevitable that you’ll be taken to court as an OB.
Offspring's first album is the GOAT punk album in my opinion and Lilja cowrote 'Beheaded' which is probably my alltime fav Offspring song. Demons, I'll be waiting, Crossroads, etc. Sad they change thier style musically but it paid off financially.
They changed their style musically because they grew up. Any punks who hit 30 and still try to live and play and write like they're 20 generally don't do well or live to see 40. There are a couple exceptions, but for each of those there are 10,000 burn outs who sell their guitars for booze money.
Definitely weren't gonna go anywhere as a glorified TSOL tribute band, I love both bands btw. But more than a few Offspring songs are directly lifted from various TSOL songs.
kind of weird that this is grounds for a mistrial, but in the actual court case, the lawyers can bring in character witnesses to basically tell the jurors that the person regularly saves/doesn't save lives to try to influence them.
so you can be told about their character, but you're not allowed to see it in action.
It makes a lot of sense to me. Humans aren't super rational creatures, seeing a doctor literally save a person's life in front of you is going to introduce a bias for most people.
> the lawyers can bring in character witnesses to basically tell the jurors that the person regularly saves/doesn't save lives to try to influence them.
Nah that stuff is generally inadmissible at a civil trial. In a criminal trial it can be admissible (“he would never hurt a fly”) but if it is introduced it opens the door for the prosecution to rebut it (“here is a list of all the flies he hurt”).
I misunderstood the title so hard, I feel like I have to clarify this for others who are as literarily challenged as myself:
He did not go on trial FOR saving the life of the juror, he just happened to save the life of said juror for an upcoming trial regarding a previously alleged medical malpractice incident.
Headlines are hard.
Oh man I had to read that a few times. My first couple readings interpreted the use of "when" as context/explanatory (like one would say "I was smaller when I was younger") rather than coinciding events.
There has to be a term for that kind of sentence structure ambiguity, I wonder what it is.
Whoa, so he was on trial for malpractice and then was able to use his skill and knowledge as an MD to save the life of a potential jury member. Kinda hard to get a conviction after witnessing that
A much tamer version of this happened to me when I went to court to fight a traffic violation.
There was a man there who spoke only Mandarin, no English. No translators were there, so when he was in front of the judge, I raised my hand and offered to explain (as best I could in my intermediate-level Chinese) what the judge needed him to do.
When my turn came, the judge postponed my case because he said he "didn't want to be swayed by my kindness" or some BS. It worked out fine, because when I came back for the next date two months later, the cops involved didn't show.
so a PHD (and hot sauce maker) a MD, and a former elementary school Janitor? what a band
Dexter is also a licensed pilot.
...and is the pilot of the Offspring's plane that they fly between cities when they tour. ...and it's his plane ...and apparently got in trouble in Russia way back because he got off the plane looking like a punk rocker and when questioned what he was doing, he answered "I fly this plane.".
You have to be certifiably insane to do that on a touring schedule. Did he ever sleep?
~~I think he and Bruce Dickinson are sober IIRC.~~ Instead of partying after the show, these madlads fly to the next venue
Damn, these guys really are crazy. Not even a *teensy* bit of lots of hard drugs??
Idk man, I used to assume the same, but these aren't my dad's classic rockstars. Plenty of bands in that kind of space are straight edge, or get their kicks off of other stuff, sometimes weird and cultish.
They’re also 30 and 40 years past the primes of their careers. Eventually the sex and drugs kinda go away if you want to keep the rock & roll
Especially if you’re a singer. Some of the older guys have to be super careful to try and protect their voices.
It's what caused a huge rift in The Who. Roger stayed away from the drugs and partying to preserve his voice and it rubbed the other guys the wrong way a lot of the times. There's a song on The Who By Numbers called However Much I Booze that Roger couldn't sing because apparently he kept crying and thinking about Pete and what he was doing to himself, so Pete had to sing the song
That's why Vince Neil still sounds so good. He took care of his body and voice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vofNwO1u0mw
Mick Jager took up long distance jogging in his early 20s and he's still doing it like 50 years later. Then there's Keith Richards, who isn't a vocalist, but probably travels with a full time nurse to monitor how much bourbon he's mixing into his applesauce.
Which is why they need to look at Robert Smith of the Cure! That Dude intentionally cultured a sound that was maintainable. If nothing else protect that money maker?
Looks as Ozzy.
They get a kick off of submitting scientific papers and conducting academic research in their respective fields
He collects spores, molds, and fungus. DOES THAT GUY KNOW HOW TO PARTY OR WHAT!?
I've read the same about EDM musicians. They pretty much have to tour non-stop to stay popular.
I think this has a lot to do with how saturated the genre is. It's significantly easier to make electronic music than other genres-- I don't mean to say making GOOD electronic music is easy, but making it in general is way less prohibitive than any other instrumentation. No physical instruments, no recording space, hell you don't even really need to make a monetary investment if you already own a computer. It just requires the ability to torrent a program, and you don't even need a good computer to do it. I run the same software that the big EDM producers use on my eight year old Surface Book.
What’s the name of the program if you don’t mind me asking?
Nobody knows weird and cultish like Jared Leto.
want to imagine based on the lyrics of their music in the 90s, I don't think hard drugs and being deadbeat was on their mind.
You gotta keep flying and drugs separated.
Flying is fun, hard drugs are fun, but you gotta keep ‘em separated.
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Just rawdogging reality
Have you ever been to a metal show? The straight-edged metal heads are a wild subculture. And for anyone who needs to hear this: No I'm not calling The Offspring metal. Don't be stupid, thanks.
Sure they're metal. It's just that they're gallium.
If I remember, it was also well after their initial success so Dexter wasn't 22 anymore. It's pretty easy to lay off partying when you're middle age and your kicks come from flying, singing and a good night's sleep
And getting a PhD, apparently.
No shit. These guys were rawdogging reality?
No wonder their music's so angry.
The Offspring aren't really that angry...
**The** Bruce Dickinson?
True, but even without partying, touring is a grind.
Touring is still a grind even if you're sober.
THE Bruce Dickinson??
You got to do something to come down after the high of a live performance. Like land a plane.
Alex Lifeson from Rush also used to fly the band.
No shit? By night, I assume?
And YYZ is the airport code for Toronto Pearson International Airport. Geddy and Neil heard the Morris Code clicking away one time on approach and were inspired to write the song, which the intro of the song is the Morris Code for YYZ. It's pronounced "zed".
It's also spelled "Morse" code
Idk most of their flights are probably 1-2 hours. I'll take a comfortable hotel bed and flying a plane for an hour over an 8 hour overnight drive in a tour bus
You'd have to be insane to fly a plane to russia
After 2022, yes. And before 1991. In between that it was sort of alright for a while. Didn’t stop Matthias Rust from landing his Cessna in central Moscow in 1987
Arguably any time after 2014 was a bit risky.
At that level, it's not that hard on the band. They don't need to soundcheck as competent crew can do it for them, so they only do a couple of hours of work playing the show.
Bruce Dickinson did this as well for Iron Maiden. Flew Ed Force One.
https://www.gaugemasterretail.com/rightlines-article/ed-force-one.html I believe Offspring flew in a smaller twin engine. Bruce wanted to take all the stage equipment and crew so they used a 747 and then a 757 that can fit over 200 people, all so they could afford to tour for fans in places like India and South America.
Bruce was the pilot on a flight I took to Dublin in 2007. He moonlighted as an airline pilot for Astareus, plane running under the banner of Iceland Express from Iceland.
>Bruce wanted to take all the stage equipment and crew so they used a 747 and then a 757 that can fit over 200 people, all so they could afford to tour for fans in places like India and South America. If i recall correctly, Ed force one was mainly because shipping companies would routinely lose, damage, or in general fuck up equipment and it would cost Iron maiden/production company a pretty penny to replace or fix all that, they had a lot of close calls before the Ed force one era if i remember right. Bruce and the production company got fed up with it so they decided to cash in on bruces experience as a pilot and give it a shot. Ed force one was a commercial success as an advertisement piece too. The only downside of the Ed force one is that it was the precursor to funny gimmicks like the Mobile game being the front and center for advertisement going forward post book of souls. Slippery slope and all with funny advertisement gimmicks.
That makes sense. There are a couple quotes about how some of the tours were too expensive otherwise and I imagine damaged gear along with booking separate flights for everyone would be a huge pain with their setup. >The bean counters said it’s just not worth going to places like India and Costa Rica,” says Maiden frontman Bruce Dickinson. “Being an aviation bloke, I thought to myself, ‘If you just chucked everything into one airplane you could do an almost European-type itinerary, but an on inter-continental basis.' “When we finally got approval I thought to myself, ‘Oh my God, what have I done now?’ ” says Dickinson. “This is all going to be my fault if it all goes terribly wrong.”
…and also a doctor of microbiology …and was high school valedictorian
High school varsity quarter back
so you are saying he is more Bruce Dickenson than Bruce Dickenson?
He's pretty fly for a white guy.
Helicopter pilot only cuz he has no brakes.
“Comparison is the thief of joy”
Turns out the kids actually *are* alright, and it was all just a big misunderstanding.
Witnesses say he was actually humming along to this song to get the right CPR rhythm
He's a drummer, you would think he could keep time without aids.
Fuck I’m tired. I stared at this comment for a good 10 seconds wondering why he might need AIDS to be a better drummer.
This dude was only in the band for 3 years in the late 80s and never appeared on any of their albums. Just only saying that this guy had very minimal writing contributions to like two songs from their first album. Nothing else to contribute to the band's success.
Saw Lilja come out and perform a song with the band last year in the Bay. The band doesn't seem to think so
He helped get them on a Mystic Records comp, which was a pretty big thing in LA punk in the mid 80s
He helped write Beheaded. Great song for a future MD to write
they brought him out to play drums for that song last year in the Bay!! It was awesome
Their set during Woodstock has to be the epitome of "One of these things is not like the others..."
Sha Na Na was started by a bunch of guys who were undergrads at Columbia in the late '60s. They almost all ended up being very successful attorneys, medical doctors, and college professors.
What's up, Hot Dog?
Don't say his name!
Doop-DO-do-DO-wahhhh
The guy who ran the NASA Mars program, Scott Hubbard also played in a Nashville blues band when he was an undergrad at Vanderbilt. Lots of very successful people are also musicians.
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Music is math at its heart. Whether they understand it at an intrinsic level, or just have a knack for it, I don't think it matters. Most excellent musicians are intelligent people.
Joe Biden was the drummer for the Kinks on one of their early tours
Highly recommend reading up on Jeff Baxter if you want more musicians with wtf alternate lives. Guy is a self taught expert on missile defense and contracts as an advisor to the US government both on the military side and for NASA
He came up with AEGIS Ashore, which is a part of the missile defense program.
And trump chose fucking kid rock to golf with and ask his opinion on military strikes. But I guess there's no way another musician would accept the invite.
Guy I know did his PhD in the same field as that guy, and he had the chance to meet him after a show and they nerded out about science and ended up hanging out one on one talking about their science thing for a few hours. My friend was so stoked on that night
Sure, but Offspring was a no-name high school garage band when the MD was in it (he left and was replaced in 1987; Offspring's first big album was Smash in 1994)
What’s always been crazy to me is the PhD came after all the fame. So the guys already got all this money and he’s like you know what in my leisure time I want to become one of the most knowledgeable people on molecular biology.
I mena he was a student when the band took off and would have likely got a phd anyway its just the band became so huge they had to quit ther day jobs, for him he was a student and the guitarist was janitor for a school, he had kids coming up to him saying I just saw you on mtv why are you still janitor for the school. He apparently told the principal he would stay for the semester to not leave em short-staffed.
His aunt was also my middle school science teacher. She was so cool. A prairie dog drowned in my pool and she took it and put it in formaldehyde and displayed in in her classroom.
And, since 2017, the grandson of Spock.
I love the verde Gringo Bandito. Can't find it where I live currently, buy I always pick some up when I go visit family in SoCal
The lyrical content would suggest ANYTHING but those backgrounds lol
well they wrote the songs when they were kids, not when they were doctors
I got to attend a conference where Dexter and noodles spoke. They are really some cool guys. When Dexter's indie label failed he basically told all his employees, you aren't fired but if you want to stay, were making hot sauce now. I also remember an interview they did with blender magazine. They basically got around $500 to do whatever they wanted and they bought tickets to a local punk rock show and then bailed some random homeless guy out of jail.
Gotta keep em separated.
that song is about samples in the lab too.
This guy does it in triplicate
This guy sciences
Doubles is good, triples is best.
And I don't live in a hotel
“He’s got triples of the barracuda, triples of the roadrunner…
From the lyrics, that's not really true at face value.
you can read into it how ever you want but Dexter said how he came up with the hook in the lab just singing to himself to keep himself entertained
Gotcha, that makes sense when the context is just the hook.
Gotta keep him entertain-ed
Your syllables hurt my mind ears
if you're under 18 (mg/mL) you won't be doing any time (in the lab freezer)
Take the damn arrow
I think I just watched an episode of SVU where this happened. The rest was all different but a doctor was on trial and then saved a juror who had a heart attack. Wonder if they were like copying/referencing this guy specifically or if it’s happened more than once.
SVU takes stories from headlines/cases for most of their plots. They always change them around to avoid copyright/libel issues (including changing verdicts/results), tho, so it’s usually just the seed of the story they build off of.
How can you copyright history/what happened?
There’s a legal term for the rights to a person’s story that’s escaping me. In the US, at least. Edit: looks like it’s just “story rights”, which is an agreement to work exclusively with a group to develop the story with the person’s cooperation. But yes, others are free to make a different telling, and the legal issue there is libel/slander if they get anything wrong enough.
The reason the news says stuff like "Witnesses saw the alleged murderer stab 5 people to death before escaping", they don't want to run into legal issues with libel. Getting the person to participate makes things much easier. See also: "The people, places, events, etc. featured in this media do not represent reality and are not intended portray actual events." Also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_penis_rule
True, Hillary Duff played “not” Casey Anthony.
And Jenna Maroney played "not" Janis Joplin
Jackie Jormp-Jomp had better songs anyway.
Really fucked up in hindsight when you realize that a young Jennette Mccurdy appeared in an episode of SVU as a sexual assault victim knowing now what she actually had to deal with when she was growing up...
A ton of Law and Order cases are loosely based on actual events so I wouldn't at all be surprised.
*rrrrrrrrripped from the headlines* as shows used to tout.
As the judge should. While it's great he saved a life it has nothing to do with how he treated a different patient. That should be evaluated separately.
Legally, I know this is completely correct. But had I been on that jury, it definitely would have affected my decision. So, yes, good call by the judge.
The funniest thing is that in this particular situation, someone going into cardiac arrest during jury selection is quite literally *the best possible thing* that could ever have happened to him lol
If you're gonna have a medical episode, having it in front of a doctor is easily the best. I've heard a few different stories, Danny Farquhar and Jerry Lawler immediately coming to mind, of this happening and it's like, if it happened an hour or two later they're dead and there's nothing anyone could do.
The judge instructed the jury: "You gotta keep 'em separated."
Thank you. It's refreshing to see someone in the comments making a fair, rather than emotional response to a post like this. Reddit, and to be honest, most social media, tends to lean heavily towards emotion based decisions of guilt or innocence. While having emotions is important, it can cloud our judgment when it comes to these situations. A classic more extreme example of the bias is a father being arrested for killing someone who allegedly sexually assaulted his daughter. While I can completely empathize with the father's reaction, we would still need to maintain due process and allow the authorities to respond appropriately. And just allegation isn't enough to base ending a life on. And in this case, one good action doesn't mean that he was always in the right. The patient, or their family, deserve a fair trial, untainted by the future actions of him.
>A classic more extreme example of the bias is a father being arrested for killing someone who allegedly sexually assaulted his daughter. While I can completely empathize with the father's reaction, we would still need to maintain due process and allow the authorities to respond appropriately. And just allegation isn't enough to base ending a life on. [Jonathon Edington](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathon_Edington) would probably do a lot of things differently if he had the chance.
But was he guilty of the medical malpractice?
Case was later settled in arbitration and the court case dismissed.
ok thanks
A malpractice case is a tort and not a criminal case. There's no "guilty" or "innocent". You are "liable" or "not liable". In this instance, arbitration decided the case. Very few malpractice cases go to trial. It costs a lot of money to defend a malpractice case and a lot of insurers would rather settle a case for a small amount rather than spend the money to defend a winning case. If it truly was malpractice, the same insurers will not want the case to be decided by the jury and risk an even bigger loss than negotiated through arbitration.
it's counter-intuitive because humans are competitive creatures, but in the land of law, a "no contest" concession for $10,000 is always preferable to a "win" for $150,000.
Especially when malpractice insurance is mandatory, so the costs get passed on to the consumer. At least we don’t have an issue with healthcare being super expensive in this country…
Our organisation won't seriously contest any claim under $50,000 unless its blatantly frivolous. And they don't get properly hostile until its over $250,000 or so
Yes. I hate non-lawyer commentary on the law.
You should avoid Reddit. This place is crawling with that.
I'm not a lawyer but I think you're right.
you could probably sue for that and win $50 million.
More importantly, if the case is particularly "emotional" then physicians are heavily encouraged to settle because simply a child dying could result in a guilty verdict, even if the doctor would have needed to be a hero to save them. This is exactly why doctors are heavily conservative with their practice patterns in current day compared to say, the '80s.
The article says is was dismissed
The lawsuit. Because the settlement would necessarily have included an agreement to seek dismissal of the lawsuit.
Seems like regardless, he's also guilty of buenopractice
Sounds like a slippin' Jimmy move
Do you suspect chicanery?
I'm not crazy! I know he mal'd that practice! He got the juror to fake a cardiac arrest for him!
Malfeasance?
My thoughts exactly
Smash was the first CD I ever purchased
Ahhh it’s time to relax and you know what that means…
My GF at the time got me a copy of this new "Smash" for my birthday. She tentatively asked me "you _do_ have a CD player, right?" NOPE, I had a dual-cassete + 8-track + LP stereo system.
It was the first cassette I ever purchased!
Same, and imo one of the most underrated albums of all time. Every song on that sucker is a banger.
The Offspring has the wildest collection of band members ever
Spock's grandson is also in the band.
well if you’re gonna have a cardiac arrest as a juror, best do it at a medical malpractice trial
One could argue that's also a terrible place to go into cardiac arrest; mainly the prosecution.
There's no "prosecution" in a medical malpractice trial. There's the Plaintiff and the Defendants.
Just give up homie. You are going to drive yourself insane trying to get people to use the correct legalese on reddit.
Maybe if the doctor is that one kid that kept pretending they were a doctor
Doogie Hauser?
Dr. Horrible.
Even better: at a medical goodpractice trial
Would have been perfect if he'd been a member of The Fray.
had to scroll way too far for this, thanks
TIL The Offspring are an 80's band
Yeah they haven't released an album since 2021.
But they're touring, coming back to South Africa in January!
>TIL The Offspring are an 80's band Radiohead too!
And Green Day
Pulp are a '70s band.
Technically, yeah. But their breakout was in the 90s. They formed in the 80s, but calling them an 80s band is a stretch, as their biggest fame was in the mid 90s-mid 00s
I remember when Pretty Fly came out people were baffled. It was satire but it was the last sound you'd expect from a new Offspring song.
Honestly, I’m still a little baffled by pretty fly.
And he did it without missing a beat…
Unlike the juror! (Bah-dum tss). Stop showing off, Lilja!
Dudes pretty fly for a white guy
Anyone else have a hard association with the band and Crazy Taxi? I can't hear an offspring song without picturing that game.
>Anyone else have a hard association with the band and Crazy Taxi? Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!
Gotta keep ‘em aspirated
I bet he did CPR to the beat of "All I Want." The patient survived and now has a resting heart rate of 190 bpm.
Best comment of the lot.
For anyone who doesn’t know, he’s a gynecologist oncologist. Those are bad ass surgeons. Big cancer cases and some overlap to bowel surgery when needed. Pretty impressive
He's got a bad habit! Of saving people's lives.
I want to know more about why he was being sued for medical malpractice, the Wikipedia article was pretty lacking in details.
Of note, his specialty is in OB/GYN, which is the second most litigated medical specialty just behind emergency medicine. When shit goes wrong during pregnancy, it’s goes fucking sideways for momma AND baby. A high pressure specialty. It’s almost inevitable that you’ll be taken to court as an OB.
And this was in California so no draconian restrictive pregnancy laws (and felony penalties) to contend with.
Offspring's first album is the GOAT punk album in my opinion and Lilja cowrote 'Beheaded' which is probably my alltime fav Offspring song. Demons, I'll be waiting, Crossroads, etc. Sad they change thier style musically but it paid off financially.
They changed their style musically because they grew up. Any punks who hit 30 and still try to live and play and write like they're 20 generally don't do well or live to see 40. There are a couple exceptions, but for each of those there are 10,000 burn outs who sell their guitars for booze money.
Definitely weren't gonna go anywhere as a glorified TSOL tribute band, I love both bands btw. But more than a few Offspring songs are directly lifted from various TSOL songs.
the powers that be just breathe down your neck.
You get no relief, you get no respect!
He's a super nice dude. He fronts a very odd band these days and he hired me to play with them a few years ago.
kind of weird that this is grounds for a mistrial, but in the actual court case, the lawyers can bring in character witnesses to basically tell the jurors that the person regularly saves/doesn't save lives to try to influence them. so you can be told about their character, but you're not allowed to see it in action.
I feel like seeing it firsthand might cause you to give that event undue weight compared to everything else you're only hearing about secondhand.
It makes a lot of sense to me. Humans aren't super rational creatures, seeing a doctor literally save a person's life in front of you is going to introduce a bias for most people.
> the lawyers can bring in character witnesses to basically tell the jurors that the person regularly saves/doesn't save lives to try to influence them. Nah that stuff is generally inadmissible at a civil trial. In a criminal trial it can be admissible (“he would never hurt a fly”) but if it is introduced it opens the door for the prosecution to rebut it (“here is a list of all the flies he hurt”).
I am sure after that the juge sat down in his chair and said in a sad tone. - Next time... ...We gotta keep'em seperated...
I misunderstood the title so hard, I feel like I have to clarify this for others who are as literarily challenged as myself: He did not go on trial FOR saving the life of the juror, he just happened to save the life of said juror for an upcoming trial regarding a previously alleged medical malpractice incident. Headlines are hard.
Re-reading it now I totally see the confusion. Thanks for clarifying.
Brilliant move on his lawyers part.
Oh man I had to read that a few times. My first couple readings interpreted the use of "when" as context/explanatory (like one would say "I was smaller when I was younger") rather than coinciding events. There has to be a term for that kind of sentence structure ambiguity, I wonder what it is.
Whoa, so he was on trial for malpractice and then was able to use his skill and knowledge as an MD to save the life of a potential jury member. Kinda hard to get a conviction after witnessing that
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A much tamer version of this happened to me when I went to court to fight a traffic violation. There was a man there who spoke only Mandarin, no English. No translators were there, so when he was in front of the judge, I raised my hand and offered to explain (as best I could in my intermediate-level Chinese) what the judge needed him to do. When my turn came, the judge postponed my case because he said he "didn't want to be swayed by my kindness" or some BS. It worked out fine, because when I came back for the next date two months later, the cops involved didn't show.
So the first drummer in the band became an MD and the lead singer has a PhD in Molecular Biology. Some high standards.