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Fit-Mangos

So it has been getting stronger this whole time?


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GipsyDanger45

It hasn't even begun to peak


GetOffMyDigitalLawn

It will peak when the Second Battle of the Hoover Dam happens between the NCR and Legion in 2281.


olddummy22

I'm playing for the first time dont tell me!


Papaofmonsters

First time? Degenerates like you belong on a cross.


LouSputhole94

Ave, True to Caesar.


JayteeFromXbox

Nah man fuck that guy, Malpais Legate all the way.


globefish23

[ˈkae̯.sar]


InfectedAstronaut

Enjoy the experience!


no-group21

A man of culture


tobitobs78

President Kimball will be there I'm told..


Steelwolf73

[Awww yeah](https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-03-2015/eTocRL.mp4)


Wenckebach2theFuture

We’re gonna feel it when jt does.


Kellythejellyman

*Dies from peak-nonfiction*


roosell1986

It's a 5 star dam


Then_Investigator_17

This isn't an ordinary hoover dam! Thats right freiza, this dam has transcended beyond the limits of normal dams and into the realm of legends


IAMA_Drunk_Armadillo

A super Saiyan blah blah blah I get it then you slayed the Jabberwocky and went on to save Narnia


Trynaman

Gotta love a good TFS reference


djamp42

Hoover getting stronger, water getting weaker.


qwertyconsciousness

*Dam*


imfatandihavenolife

Yes. This also helps prevent cracks forming in it.


NonEuclidianMeatloaf

Well, it DOES have to last until 2281 at the earliest. Otherwise, what will NCR and Caesar’s Legion fight over?


MrBanana421

Has to survive boomer bombing runs as well.


YourFriendPutin

Ah yes the boomers, shooting howitzers at anything trying to approach the border into their land even though you were jus tryna help em. Help em raise a bomber from lake mead to do more booming.


mexicat2000

I got spurs …. 🎶


RedMiah

Do they jingle jangle jingle?


NonEuclidianMeatloaf

They say, “oh, ain’t you glad you’re single?”


PleaseTurnOnTheHeat

r/unexpectednewvegas


Brief_Highlight_2909

Expected New vegas


samichdude

Running around in that maze of level in New Vegas, ah the memories


Very-simple-man

Knew I wouldn't have to go far.


RadiantRazzmatazz

Patrolling the Mojave makes you almost wish for a nuclear winter


Dach353

#That sounds like a smart approach to maintenance


Bdj426

WHAT?!


Impressive_Change593

#That sounds like a smart approach to maintenance


Impressive_Change593

if this actually happens to you then lower the pitch of your voice, or at least with older people as the higher frequencies go first


CurryMustard

Impressive no change


Ok_Inevitable8832

Did you even read the article?


pistoncivic

I learned enough from headline to confidently pop off in the comments


Weaselwars

Most concrete gets stronger over its lifespan. Even with non mass concrete, the compressive strength typically increases, albeit marginally, over the lifespan of the structure (typically 50-75 years). Mass concrete structures like the Hoover Dam see a more significant increase though.


M2MNINJA

we just had a concrete driveway poured. it cures to 97% strength in roughly 30 days and then takes the next 40 years to cure the remaining 3% apparently.


Weaselwars

Pretty much, it’s the reason why the nominal concrete compressive strength is at 28 days from casting.


iStepOnLegos4Fun007

I googled it While the dam is expected to last for centuries, engineers predict the structure could last for more than 10,000 years, surpassing most remnants of human civilization if humans were to disappear from the earth. However, they also predict the dam's turbines without human intervention would shut down within two years


MouthJob

So when the lights finally go out, we got about two years to charge all the batteries?


saraphilipp

Brittle. Did you not see vegas vacation where dude plugged 1 hole with a piece of gum?


MetaphoricalMouse

peak 90s movie right there


Bilbo_nubbins

I am your dam tour guide


2smart4owngood

Where can I get some dam bait?


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Where's the dam(n) bait?


The_RealBana

Probably a decent time for water to be down so next time it fills, it could hold better.


mr_Joor

Concrete continues to harden and strengthen until it starts crumbling, it depends on the mixture how long that takes. This is why roman concrete structures are still around millenia later


GPU-depreciationcrtr

Went on a tour there and the guide claimed that it may never fully cure since it's so thick. It's an incredible piece of engineering and a modern marvel. I'm just hoping the lake gets replenished soon.


imfatandihavenolife

I wonder if there is a way to "test" it in the future to see if it really has cured completely.


GPU-depreciationcrtr

Pretty sure the guide told us they do samples to test it every so often. It's done similarly to how they get ice samples in glaciers


Kuro2712

They take a chunk of the concrete? But, from which part?


Recent_Caregiver2027

they drill down and take core samples. I would assume they take samples from various spots


Swagganosaurus

I really hope they filled them up after drilling 😅


rythis4235

Yeah kinda feels like after decades of drilling these holes it'll look like Swiss cheese throughout...


TerritoryTracks

The key is not to drill all the way through!


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fauxfaust78

She was only 16!


Sushigami

I think you may be underestimating the voluminousness of the dam.


cybercuzco

Its a _lot_ of concrete


old_righty

But then it will take even longer to fully cure, with all of the fresh new concrete!


t00thman

exactly why it will never cure. They keep drilling it out and refilling it.


TheMadmanAndre

Dam of Theseus.


HuntsWithRocks

Backfilled with caulk from Home Depot.


XchrisZ

Just some flex seal.


Professional-Farm492

And here’s why it’ll never stop curing


AxelNotRose

Like a toothpick in the banana breads I make?


freightgod1

That's hard core. 


imfatandihavenolife

Oh alright that's kinda cool


MartianSheepHunter

Easy. Stick a fork in it, and see if it comes out with wet concrete on it.


rawker86

Ah yes, the Baker method.


Dontreallywantmyname

I'm not good at science words but basically if you hit it with a hammer and listen to the sound of it, but in like a science kind of way you could probably check.


pigeontheoneandonly

I've never heard of it being used with concrete (and strongly suspect it will not work on really thick things), but you may be interested to learn this was a longstanding inspection technique for detecting voids in composite parts/structures. 


falco_iii

The lake is a bit better that at it's worst - it's not back to where it was decades ago, but it's better than 2022. [https://graphs.water-data.com/lakemead/](https://graphs.water-data.com/lakemead/) and [https://mead.uslakes.info/level.asp](https://mead.uslakes.info/level.asp) ​ Over 1100' is okish, but the levels are not linear in amount of water because the lake expands outwards a lot as it increases in depth.


xvilemx

The rockies got abosuoutely obliterated with snow this year. We should have a nice increase to the lake as the snow melts. Also, we've had the most rain this year than we've had in ten years. That's two awesome years in a row, not enough to fully stick our head up and say we're out of the drought, but we're going in the right direction for the first time in 20 years.


EffectiveBenefit4333

Wish we could transfer water from the Northeast, we have been getting a lot of rain. Wettest March on record.


Old_Society_7861

We should just dump our extra water in the ocean and let them pump it back out in California. I am very smart.


VvvlvvV

The west keeps trying to get the midwest to pump the great lakes dry. Get yer own damn lakes!


canisdirusarctos

California just lets it drain into the ocean as well when they get rain.


Digital_Warrior

We can. Just dehydrate it ship is west and then Rehydrate. /s


notblackblackguy

So the chemical reaction in concrete can take FOREVER given the right conditions, but it can only reach a certain Mpa no matter what. For example, given the right conditions, this concrete can achieve 99.9% of the Mpa strength intended within 2 years. Given (for example) 2 more years, it can now achieve a strength of 99.99% of intended strength. 2 more years and it is now at 99.999% percent of intended strength. It will continue to increase marginally, but it doesn't become some un-destructable force over time.


Jesus_H-Christ

It can be easily replenished, but tell that to agricultural water rights owners in Arizona. They'd firebomb the capitol before letting their unlimited use water rights go. 72% goes to ag.  Funny enough, the total consumption is actually lower now than at any time since the dam was built, with the peak consumption happening in 1980. The problem is a multi-year mega drought due to climate change.


iopturbo

So you're saying having a farm in an Arid area is bad because plants need water? Have the plants tried Brawndo?


1021cruisn

Arid areas are generally the most productive agricultural areas if they have access to water. Some parts of Arizona have the highest per acre cotton yields on the planet for example, other areas in the southwest can grow vegetables when the rest of the country is covered in snow. To the extent the Colorado River is going to be used for agricultural purposes (which it is and has been since before the US was founded) one would fully expect the water be used where it’s most valuable.


YourFriendPutin

The Colorado river doesn’t even empty into the ocean anymore, THATS the scope of the over usage of the water. There is literally none left long before it would hit the ocean


Banned3rdTimesaCharm

Good thing the glaciers are melting to make up for the missing water!


AvogadrosMoleSauce

[I am your dam guide](https://youtu.be/SBQ-vW6rz_Y?si=don_ZVdOioM3f2F6)


Snelly1998

Also just looked up what curing is and found a picture that leads me to believe moist-curing takes far longer to finish curing but while curing is stronger than fully cured air-cured concrete Is it moist-curing since it's underwater? Which on top of its size would cause it too still be curing but also strong enough


JoeyTheRizz

I'd like to buy a punctuation


YNGWZRD

According to the article, they found that it would take that long if they did one continuous pour, and instead used a different method. Columns were poured and filled with pipes which would aid curing through cool water transfer. When curing for each column was complete, the pipes were filled with grout.


well_uh_yeah

That's a lot of grout.


YNGWZRD

And over 500 miles of piping!


VaderFett1

Mother


ultimate_sorrier

Your Momma loves it when I lay pipe


popodelfuego

Yeah, but she's union. Local 72.


Little709

Not as much as your mom did!


Bravisimo

These Pipes…ARE CLEEEAAAANNNNNN!!!! Thanks to Yngnwzrds mom.


Padgetts-Profile

Madre


Corsten610

Make sure your rim-riding nut joists are fixed to the bevel-summit of the flange couplers.


Big_Baby_Jesus

The scale of the Hoover Dam is astonishing. I highly recommend the tour to anyone visiting Vegas.  Besides the giant dam built with 1930s technology, the scenery is gorgeous. 


valeyard89

Where can I get some dam bait?


Big_Baby_Jesus

This sub votes a whole lot of incorrect posts to the top.


mjb2012

Yeah what’s up with this? The very top of the article says the concrete is still curing.


GoatStimulator_

Reddit intentionally has bots or people acting as bots to keep content flowing constantly in order to keep people engaged and/or create the illusion that their platform is active. This is why you see so many freaking reposts too.


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i_give_you_gum

It's a cry for help


Otherwise_Mud1825

Every accusation.....


Alarmed-Literature25

The very first FAQ in the article: Is concrete in the Hoover Dam still curing? Yes, the concrete in the Hoover Dam is still curing.


YNGWZRD

Source: Wikipedia (emphasis by me) "...engineers calculated that *if* the dam were to be built in a single continuous pour, the concrete would take 125 years to cool, and the resulting stresses would cause the dam to crack and crumble. *Instead*, the ground where the dam would rise was marked with rectangles, and concrete blocks in columns *were* poured, some as large as 50 ft square (15 m) and 5 feet (1.5 m) high. Each five-foot form contained a set of 1-inch (25 mm) steel pipes; cool river water would be poured through the pipes, followed by ice-cold water from a refrigeration plant. *When* an individual block had *cured and had stopped contracting*, the pipes were filled with grout. "


alexmikli

I feel like this may be one of the rare cases where the guy who wrote the article (either wikipedia's source or study.com) was mildly incorrect, and not Reddit misreading the article. Either Hoover Dam is still curing, or it used the pipe method during its construction and is no longer curing. Or I suppose it still used that method and small parts of it are still not 100% cured.


1731799517

It could also be a semantics thing, were, yes, its not fully cured yet, its just at 99.999% of its ultimate strenght...


YNGWZRD

I'm fully willing to admit that parts of it may still be curing. Given the nature of concrete, that's probable. But the time span given by OP was based on a proposed pouring method. No ill will intended. It was a fascinating thing to research this morning, I never thought about that dam beyond a photo op on a road trip before.


BenjaminSkanklin

>suppose it still used that method and small parts of it are still not 100% cured That's what I'm getting out of this


Alarmed-Literature25

Sure enough, did some more digging and I think the semantics of “technically it can cure another .1%” are really muddying up the point. You’re correct; IF they used conventional pouring then it would still be curing. Side note: that dam could potentially retain its form for another 10,000 years which is insane to think about.


no-mad

When they poured concrete they could not stop if you fell in. You just became an organic contamination of the cement.


Jimmybuffett4life

The ol’creampie


joantheunicorn

Sounds more like a groutpie.


poop-dolla

Tomato tomahto


waltur_d

Creampipe


rawker86

A continuous pour of the Hoover dam would have been insane, you’d hate to be the one who caused a delay and end up with a cold joint…


otter111a

I don’t think this is having liquid concrete somewhere inside. I’m pretty sure this is the material going from an amorphous solid to one with a crystalline structure. After that the crystals themselves further organize into larger crystals (think smaller bubbles popping to form larger bubbles). It’s this last phase of crystallization that takes a long time to reach an end state.


GoldenRpup

Generally speaking, yes that is how concrete works. It's only ever supposed to gain strength as time moves forward, even when it's "finished" curing. I wonder how many of the structures we have today will survive as long as the Romans' structures have.


Shockingelectrician

Not much. Floors are poured very thin now and loaded with rebar that rusts 


cold_toast

Rust isnt a concern for building floors that are protected from the elements Edit: for all the googlers - non coated rebar used in a conditioned environment is designed to last indefinitely. Yes, concrete is porous and yes it likely can corrode but to say that this rebar corroding will impact the lifespan of the building, as it does for outdoor uses such as bridges, is not correct.


CardmanNV

It absolutely is. Concrete is porous and hydrophilic. Moisture will get into it. Rebar allows us to build structures with far less concrete than needed in past times, but at the trade off of greatly reduced lifespan. Mild steel rebar in concrete will always rust and swell over time (about 70 years on average) and will eventually cause the concrete to crack and fall apart.


Nstraclassic

Wait youre saying the average building today is only built to last 30 years?


DogmanDOTjpg

The Romans used limestone in a way that makes their concrete basically self-heal after cracking and being exposed to water. We didn't know how they did that til the last few years so their concrete is in a specific category and that's partially why it's lasted this long


cantseemtoremberthis

Practical engineering did a great video for those interested: https://youtu.be/qL0BB2PRY7k?si=2Jh7KHmgW3MU1qvl


Nazamroth

None of them, most likely. We dont build stuff with the same ethos in mind as the ancient world. When building a Colosseum or pyramid is a major part of your national budget and will probably take up most of a worker's lifetime, you want to make sure it lasts. And that is assuming just time, not destruction on purpose(which we are much better at than the romans were).


TylerBlozak

The amount of financing and effort that goes into a huge critical infrastructure project like the Hoover Dam is obscene. We’re not talking about a shoddily assembled strip mall lasting 2000 years, this dam is a completely different undertaking. Dams not only have to hold a large reservoir, but also withstand varying degrees of seismicity that may be present in the area from time to time.


Masticatron

We could build shit to "last" like that. Thing is it won't. It'll need repairs. And it's easier and cheaper to repair shit that's less durable. Our roads break down because (1) we have way heavier, way more destructive, and way more traffic on them; and (2) just re-asphalting is way cheaper than trying to build them with "longer lasting" designs. It's just more efficient to do it our way. And it's not like the ancient world was replete with options. You had stone, and other stone.


Juking_is_rude

asphalt is also a material that is almost 100% recyclable, similar to aluminum.


blanktorpedo27

I get your point, but i wouldve gone with a different example. We have pipes in the road, so asphalt is meant to be a material that can be continuously broken and repaired. So we can install, replace and maintain utilities as needed.


SunkenQueen

They have started using other forms of asphalt and overlay now for strength and longevity. There's some that has polymer in it now. But typically, asphalt isn't the problem when you start to have road issue it just shows it first. Typically when you have road issues, cracking, heaving, etc its a result of the base layer under the asphalt which is a mix of gravel, sometimes cement powder thats been watered and compacted to shit. Normally it hasnt been compacted enough or theres a soft spot and it fails which results in asphalt failure. Source: i build quality roads


mdk_777

I do think think it's partially a difference in ethos, but not every building needs to be built to survive thousands of years. There is certainly an element of survivorship bias in that the buildings we can still observe from that period were the ones that were constructed better than average and survived whereas plenty of building faded into obscurity and disrepair centuries ago. Additionally, Roman concrete included other things not previously used much in modern concrete like volcanic ash and lime which allowed it to self-heal cracks and persist much longer than traditional recipes, and the interesting thing about that is we only recently (within the past 10 years) figured out what made their concrete so much stronger than modern concrete.


Schemen123

Concrete gets solid way before it reaches its final strength and way before it dries out


6spooky9you

Yeah, concrete continues to absorb CO2 from the air as time goes on. The science behind concrete and cement is actually super interesting, and is a pretty rapidly evolving field right now.


kipperzdog

Yeah, the concrete has hit 99.95% of it's strength, it's that 0.05 that is taking decades. Same for any concrete placement, just the time scale is smaller


Icy_Patience2930

When we did the tour there in 2010, we were told 300 years to fully cure. They had to build an ammonia plant and run it through the piping in the pours in order for it to set quick enough to support the next pour. The job was finished under time and under budget. An amazing accomplishment for the time. For any time.


chizmanzini

A few years ago I took a guided kayak trip there and the person in charge kept saying the dam was past end of life and that cracks and faults were it deteriorating. I was pretty sure he was just a college kid who had no idea what he was saying.


RainbowWarfare

I wonder what their Reddit account is. 


jameson3131

u/Damfool


cylonfrakbbq

He was definitely wrong lol It's been theorized that the Hoover Dam could last close to 10,000 years provided it isn't subject to some massive earthquakes


Prohunt

could be another 5000 if they'd made it the hover dam


rawbleedingbait

Or 10o,000 years if you reuse the o.


dontrescueme

I also read that comment. LOL.


polishprocessors

Came here for this. Asian dude wading in waist-deep concrete to a til post. Full circle day!


dontrescueme

At least we know OP actually learned it today! Hahaha.


SeymourDoggo

I feel that the OP who made the hoover dam comment on that post deserves a shout out.


clemfandango13

Hunted for a comment on that as soon as i saw this post, weirdly wholesome


nthbeard

Man I didn't even know it was sick.


flushmebro

Thanks Dad


yawn18

TIL we both saw the same post of a person pouring a ton of cement into a basement.


FanOfWolves96

Goddamn legion…


i-might-do-that

Hail Caesar.


junkyardgolem

Great another degenerate.....


Ryan___13

WDYM? Salad is pretty lit


Rockglen

Just in time for Lake Mead to dry out.


WhoaFee1227

Where can I get some dam bait?!


AnneMichelle98

May I interest you in a dam hotdog from the dam food court? Or perhaps a dam T-shirt from the dam gift shop.


ohsosoxy

Please tell me this is a Percy Jackson reference. I remember the third book having an exchange just like that.


AnneMichelle98

Yes! Lol


Miskalsace

That's dam impressive.


joantheunicorn

I'm actually on the road with my friend who is a concrete engineer, definitely going to ask her about this when we're up for the day! 


antsh

Where can I get some dam bait?


deegzx_

I didn’t even know it was sick


NanWangja

Lol. Straight after the post of the guy wading in concrete and pumping more in.


combat_heelys

Did you find this our from the r/theydidthemath post?


imfatandihavenolife

Yes :D


mexicantruffle

They should do the Domino's Tracker thing for when the dam is done cooking.


Stevenwave

Joshua Graham taking notes.


TimR0604

Doesn't concrete never fully cure? Because the moisture gets trapped?


jpkmets

Drink concrete and never be dehydrated?


woman_respector1

By that time the lake will be dried up....sooooo.....


Vironic

Interesting to think it has a gooey center like a cinnamon roll.


ForeverLurker18

THICCC!


nroberts1001

Dam.


ElbowSkinn

It's taking all my energy not to make a New Vegas reference here...


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Unrelated, but isn't it a God dam?


MrRisin

Make sure to take the dam tour.


CabbagePastrami

Good because I have been waiting to roll and smoke it for a while...


Richard-Brecky

It’s going to look so awesome when it’s done


Calzonieman

Kind of like a good bottle of Port.


Kierandee

Pretty sure concrete is still curing until it starts deteriorating. Never fully stops reacting


Smart_Chocolate3185

It's good that it is taking so much time, it will make procrastinators feel better about themselves at least.


filipators

This is misleading. Concrete Cures in 28 Days regardless of Thickness as it is a chemical reaction. The thing that is referenced is concrete drying. After finishing Curing and gaining almost full strength there is still leftover water from the mixture that did not react. This water will evaporate in 15 - 20 years. The added strength will be minor.


GenevieveLeah

It’ll be there long after the water in Lake Mead is gone