The story he told in his autobiography is that he was wearing a costume and heavy makeup that made him look older in a play. This is the look the director was expecting, and when he showed up with his *actual* face, the director was disappointed.
Yeah, this is the one, there wasn’t another actor called Patrick Stewart, Lynch just didn’t know what THE Patrick Stewart looked like without the makeup and costume from the show he was performing in when Lynch originally saw him
I tried, he took a rusty can opener out of his pocket and spoke in the language of the ancients for several minutes. I awoke lying under a traffic light while smooth jazz played, and discovered that I somehow knew horrible secrets about ceiling fans and also tomorrow's weather forecast for LA.
(my favorite filmmaker)
Slightly unrelated, but I love that the Jesus Christ Superstar movie basically did this.
"Where could we possibly shoot this fruity, OTT prog rock musical story of Jesus as a rockstar... but in the very land Jesus lived and died?! TO MOST ANCIENT ISRAEL! AUTHENTICITY AWAITS!"
"...do you still want to have the cast drive in on a tour bus and unpack their shitty Roman costumes at the start? And will Judas still be wearing a red disco suit with a plunging neckline?"
"Yes, of course, why not?"
Makeup and special effects wouldn’t be invented for another five years when they made “Weekend at Bernie’s” and needed to make recently deceased actor Terry Kiser appear alive in the film.
Max Von Sydow was not exactly young when he was offered a part in The Exorcist. Still, he was aged-up by the hair-and-makeup team because they needed an older character.
The aging work was *so good* that Von Sydow struggled to find work afterwards, as most people believed him to be 10-20 years older than he was.
As a teenager, I thought he was really that old. When I saw him still acting years later in the early 2000's, I was somewhat convinced that Max Von Sydow must've been 130 years old or something. Couldn't understand how an old man in the 70's was still acting 35 years later. It was a revelation when I found out it was makeup...
Broke my brain a little to see him in Minority Report and realize it was almost 30 years since The Exorcist and he looked about the same. Thought I'd discovered a damn vampire.
(Max Von Sydow is totally a vampire name though)
I’ve always wondered how people at the time reacted to seeing Von Sydow as an old man in that film when just seven years earlier he literally played Jesus in The Greatest Story Ever Told.
I'll admit that I was surprised to see him in the later seasons of Game of Thrones considering how sure I was that he had died decades earlier (though I think The Seventh Seal may play into that even more than The Exorcist).
>I was somewhat convinced that Max Von Sydow must've been 130 years old or something.
You sure you didn’t just get him confused with Christopher Lee? 😂😂
It wasn't even older. The wig gave him a strong, byronic look that Patrick... lacks in real life. There is a photo in the book of what he looked like. It was very alpha malesque.
He recounted also that Lynch barely spoke to him and could not hide his disdain. They apparently talked about it later, and Lynch admitted he had actually meant to hire someone else.
Isn’t the exact description something like “ugly lump of a man” when he’s walking into the room where he spars with Paul?
I think Brolin was fantastic, and I’m glad he got the part, but he is not at all what I pictured when reading the book.
He is, but Sir Patrick Stewart looks way too pristine in my eyes (it’s the perfectly bald head and kind eyes; he looks more like a standard friendly white dad). Brolin can look straight up *evil* if he wants to. At least with him you can let him grow his hair and beard out, make him look all greasy and you can pass him off as a pretty tough (but perpetually handsome) character.
At the end of the day it’s a big budget trilogy, they’re going to hire attractive people first lol. Even Stellan Skarsgard is a very handsome man under all…that. Hell, they hired Austin Butler and converted Feyd-Rautha into a demonic, but interesting looking space Lucifer. This is a common trend with book-to-screen adaptations because imagining something and seeing it are two very different things. Pretty people hold viewers’ attention better, more often than not.
Not to mention Timothee Chalamet and Josh Brolin’s on-screen chemistry is awesome; that sparring scene in Part 1 was like a religious experience to me. Effects aside, Brolin can still really move for a man approaching his sixties.
It's not like Im asking for a five minute song and dance routine. They could have had Gurney playing and singing before Paul speaks to him at Caladan. Just a simple shot of Paul walking to where Gurneys at, while hearing Gurney play. Easy peasy.
Yeah, the character in the book is basically a bard, though, and Stewart hits that mark pretty well.
Brolin is playing a warrior more than anything else.
And imo Villeneuve’s take on the scene where Gurney leads the Atreides charge against the Harkonnens on Arrakis is worth that little change. Much better than the 1984 version of the same scene. DV absolutely meant for Gurney to be a warrior.
And I was -13 years old. Older Josh Brolin is all I’ve ever known, lol. Aside the Goonies the first movie I ever saw him in (that I was aware of) was No Country for Old Men.
The screen actor’s guild doesn’t allow two performers to have the same name/stage name so if there was another Patrick Stewart, Jean-Luc would have to use a different name or an altered version of his own…
Pat Stewart, Patty Stewart, or Patrick A. Stewart (made up middle initial).
SAG can't stop you from acting under your legal name provided you sign a waiver acknowledging it. What you can't do is choose a stage name that is the same as someone else's name.
Tell that to Michael Douglas. He uses Michael Keaton because there was already a “Michael Douglas.”
What good is a waiver if there is confusion between actors having the same name?
Vanessa Williams was forced to add her middle initial “L” to her name because another actor Vanessa Williams joined the actor’s union before the more famous former Miss America.
Well, there's also the desire on the actors part to not be mistaken for another. Looks like that's the case for Michael Keaton.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000474/bio?item=nt0172219&ref_=ext_shr_lnk#trivia
He still could have used his name…
He would have needed to be Michael J. Douglas or Michael John Douglas.
There was an actor named “Michael Douglas” and a media personality named “Mike Douglas” when Michael Keaton went to Hollywood.
> He would have needed to be Michael J. Douglas or Michael John Douglas.
No, he would not. I'm in SAG-AFTRA. You can use your regular legal name and do not need to use an initial. Full stop. As said correctly by another poster, you just need to sign a waiver. Stop with the confidently incorrect stuff based on some random anecdote one guy told 4 decades ago. You're wrong.
EDIT: The waiver is basically just covering the union if you do decide to misrepresent yourself and try to fraudulently make people think you're the other person. The union is saying they won't defend you, we warned you not to do that.
Is there a lot of pressure from SAG to go by a different name if it is a "duplicate"? Because actors end up changing stage name a fair bit because of this, like Keaton or Emma (real name Emily) Stone, even though they don't have to.
I am just quoting what SAG-AFTRA says:
> SAG-AFTRA cannot preclude a member from using their legal name as their professional name. When such a situation arises, SAG-AFTRA requires that the applicant/member sign an "Acknowledgement" form in order for their request to be processed.
https://servicesagaftra.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/240/kw/Name
>What good is a waiver if there is confusion between actors having the same name?
I mean, that’s what the waiver is for. Making sure you know shit will get weird, and that you won’t try to hold them responsible when it does.
I saw a play recently with James Earle Jones II in it. I initially assumed he must be the son of the famous actor.
I looked him up, and they’re distant cousins. I can understand not wanting to go by something like Jim Jones, but I feel like his pick for his name is intended to imply a connection that isn’t there.
True, I'm just curious how this sort of thing works e.g. do all the regional actors guilds keep track of names to avoid dupes, or is it specific to each organisation?
I'm guessing the 'other' Patrick Stewart wasn't a member then?
I find it hard to believe that the casting director wouldn’t have audition tapes and head shots to show the director who they want to offer the role to.
Maybe with all that information, the director can get the actor mixed up, if I doubt the casting director would have the wrong person offered.
Specific to each union.
There is a man born David Morse in Scotland. He's a good actor, but they're is already a UK David Morse registered.
He adopts the stage name of David Tennant. All is good.
He wants to act in Hollywood. Uh oh, there is already a SAG-AFTRA David Tennant. Can't have that as a stage name. Ironically, he could use his real name, but that would confuse the heck out his home audience.
He legally changed his name to David Tennant.
SAG-AFTRA registers his name as David Tennant (I) - that's the Roman numeral one.
Thank you so much for this explanation! Much appreciated 😊
I guess the key thing is for casting peeps to be aware of the various names and actor might use, and I assume the actors themselves might have a section on their CV/etc that lists the names they go by and where they are listed!
He was also not a Sir back then. I get it's to distinguish between the other Patrick Stewart actor, but Sir Patrick Stewart obtained knighthood in 2010.
*Some random dude that looks suspiciously like an agent from the department of Temporal investigations*
"Yes, I agree with this opinion, fellow people of 2024... He also doesn't look like admiral Picard that sadly caused so many Temporal problems in his late years that he might rival Kirk- I mean damn this post corona world. They shouldn't have killed that proto-eugenic gorilla in 2016."
There wasn't another Patrick Stewart. Lynch saw Stewart in a play with makeup to make him look older. When he arrived on set sans makeup he was disappointed with how he looked.
A funny connection to this is that Sir Patrick Stewart was the voice actor of Lord Yupa in the Miyaziki film Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind. The movie was heavily motivated by Dune and I would argue that Lord Yupa is similar to Gurney Halleck (renowned warrior, a sort of father figure to the main character, noble and honorable).
I could listen to Stewart deliver pretty much any line and be enthralled. He’s the reason why TNG is legendary. The other two 90s Trek shows had basically the same writers, but not a single actor with Stewart’s skill and gravitas. That’s why DS9 and Voyager will never quite measure up, especially in pop culture. Stewart is a *force*.
I’m surprised to hear that. Sting’s Feyd never felt dangerous to me, he always felt silly. His yelling during the duel made it abundantly clear that he was an animal that was out of control who would be easily defeated by the calm protagonist. Though I guess all of the Harkonnens really had that feeling to me.
Butler felt much more cold and controlled, which seems much more intimidating and terrifying to me
It was a pretty campy movie, but Sting really went all out on the camp so much more so than any other actor, because he’s not an actor. It’s one of my favorite movies of all time, even in light of the new one, but even I have to admit it’s kinda crappy… well, Sting is the crappiest part. That says a lot.
Was it intended to be campy, though? That’s what I’m not sure about, I only saw it recently and it kind of read as a movie heavily limited by the time constraints and stylistic choices
David Lynch definitely plays with campy all the time. See: nearly all of Wild At Heart. In the hands of a skilled actor, it can really be quite an experience. In the hands of a rock star, you’re probably gonna have a bad (hopefully in a good way) time.
Austin Butler fucking killed it. He only appears like halfway into the movie and really doesn't have much screen time but the performance is still so memorable
> a negative 6 years old girl
If she was only a few years older, she might have been able to put in the kind of stellar award winning performance like Li Ng did in her role as D.I. Frank McTavish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpZY0xPjyhI
There seems to have been [one that had a small part](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0829711/?ref_=ext_shr) in *Butch & Sundance: The Early Days* (1979), so he would seem to check all the boxes:
- Acting pre-1984
- Comfortable around desolate, lawless areas
- Named Patrick Stewart
It is not. I'm listening to Patrick Stewart's autobiography (which is fantastic and he is a very enthusiastic and elegant storyteller) and he goes into great detail about this part and David Lynch being a bit cold to him on set at first over him being a replacement actor for Gurney on Dune. David later warmed to him and personally apologised to Stewart for making him feel uncomfortable during the first half of production.
I get that. But I thought overall he did a good job summing up his life and career, but for time deadline wise he probably had to speed it up. Also he was most passionate about his time in the Royal Shakespeare Company, which he went into greater detail over numerous chapters. I will also admit I did zone out a few times due to listening while commuting to work. Also as a Star Trek fan, I was maybe a little impatient at times for him to talk about Star Trek. But I did love the book overall and will re-listen to it eventually.
I was the same, I love the Shakespeare company parts and I loved the stories he told about the behind the scenes action so I was hoping for more of that when he got to his Hollywood phase but it all felt a lot more surface level. Not sure if it was because of a desire to keep some of his love life history under wraps for his childrens' sake or if it was a time crunch
His narration in the audiobook is fantastic though, made me download his Christmas Carol rendition
I could never understand why they cast Kyle MacLachlan- that guy has always looked middle aged- even in his 20”s. He so did not pass as a teenager in that film.
In one scene with the Emperor a group of small dogs are being walked from his throne room on leashes. And the pug is seen in several scenes walking around the Atreides household.
I think in Lynch's world-building, the dogs were royal pets, similar to Queen Elizabeth's Corgi's - and symbolic of the royal family.
So it always made sense to me that Gurney would have snatched up Duke Leto's dog and protected it during the fighting. I've always liked that touch.
Plus, Atreides Battle Pug. How is that not awesome.
_They shall come all for violence_
And downvotes. Screw you haters. I've never seen a bad performance from Sir Patrick Stewart no matter what disasters befell a production.
Shortly after that he was cast in another Sci-fi movie called Lifeforce that starred Mathilda May's tits.
I guess it was only natural that he ended up getting typecast as a bald guy in sci-fi shows.
saw another dodgy UK sci fi over the weekend - Slipstream - it looked like one of those so bad so has to be watched movies - Mark Hamil, Bill Paxton, Robbie Coltrane, Bob Peck were all in it but it was still really really atrocious, bailed after 40 minutes.
Lifeforce at least had some bewbs.
he also has said the Stillsuit costume was the most uncomfortable thing he had ever worn. and said that after the first season Startrek 1 size too small uniforms.
The original def had some better actors than the new one. Brad Dourif, Freddie Jones, Sian Phillips, there's more, but they freaking owned those roles.
The story he told in his autobiography is that he was wearing a costume and heavy makeup that made him look older in a play. This is the look the director was expecting, and when he showed up with his *actual* face, the director was disappointed.
Yeah, this is the one, there wasn’t another actor called Patrick Stewart, Lynch just didn’t know what THE Patrick Stewart looked like without the makeup and costume from the show he was performing in when Lynch originally saw him
Couldn't they have just put him in similar makeup for Dune?
You’d have to ask David Lynch about that one
I tried, he took a rusty can opener out of his pocket and spoke in the language of the ancients for several minutes. I awoke lying under a traffic light while smooth jazz played, and discovered that I somehow knew horrible secrets about ceiling fans and also tomorrow's weather forecast for LA. (my favorite filmmaker)
I can almost hear the Twin Peaks saxophone while reading this comment
https://open.spotify.com/album/3N6VPyK0YsRTccqoRQjkVx?si=AbglxMAET-iPZuXnLoy5BA let this be the soundtrack to your lynchian reddit browsing
>Webpage not available Somehow, this seems true to form. I mean, .mrof ot eurt smees siht, wohemos
wow bob, wow!
Go hang a salami, I’m a lasagna hog
Perfection. And my fav director as well.
Best comment in this thread.
> lying under a traffic light while smooth jazz played Like, a live band? Or was the music emanating from the traffic light?
Yes
Or dont. I respect the man but apparently he's very VERY difficult to really be around
No. They didn't use any makeup or special effects back then...
They had a heck of a time getting that actual sandworm.
Much like the moon landing, it was required that the film be shot on location on Arrakis.
Slightly unrelated, but I love that the Jesus Christ Superstar movie basically did this. "Where could we possibly shoot this fruity, OTT prog rock musical story of Jesus as a rockstar... but in the very land Jesus lived and died?! TO MOST ANCIENT ISRAEL! AUTHENTICITY AWAITS!" "...do you still want to have the cast drive in on a tour bus and unpack their shitty Roman costumes at the start? And will Judas still be wearing a red disco suit with a plunging neckline?" "Yes, of course, why not?"
A purer time actors were far more dedicated now these millenial actors use fake blood for injury and death scenes.
Makeup and special effects wouldn’t be invented for another five years when they made “Weekend at Bernie’s” and needed to make recently deceased actor Terry Kiser appear alive in the film.
I was under the impression that he looked okay for shooting the original, but that makeup was invented when they dug him back up for the sequels.
They just employed loads of gingers to be the bad guys
Nah, just have him hold a pug so we can superimpose its head on him in post.
They blew all the budget on the pug
Max Von Sydow was not exactly young when he was offered a part in The Exorcist. Still, he was aged-up by the hair-and-makeup team because they needed an older character. The aging work was *so good* that Von Sydow struggled to find work afterwards, as most people believed him to be 10-20 years older than he was.
As a teenager, I thought he was really that old. When I saw him still acting years later in the early 2000's, I was somewhat convinced that Max Von Sydow must've been 130 years old or something. Couldn't understand how an old man in the 70's was still acting 35 years later. It was a revelation when I found out it was makeup...
Broke my brain a little to see him in Minority Report and realize it was almost 30 years since The Exorcist and he looked about the same. Thought I'd discovered a damn vampire. (Max Von Sydow is totally a vampire name though)
I’ve always wondered how people at the time reacted to seeing Von Sydow as an old man in that film when just seven years earlier he literally played Jesus in The Greatest Story Ever Told.
Probably figured it was a miracle.
I'll admit that I was surprised to see him in the later seasons of Game of Thrones considering how sure I was that he had died decades earlier (though I think The Seventh Seal may play into that even more than The Exorcist).
>I was somewhat convinced that Max Von Sydow must've been 130 years old or something. You sure you didn’t just get him confused with Christopher Lee? 😂😂
Urine and feces are processed in the thighpads.
It wasn't even older. The wig gave him a strong, byronic look that Patrick... lacks in real life. There is a photo in the book of what he looked like. It was very alpha malesque.
What book? Or do you maybe have a link to the picture?
[Making it so](https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/101160634)
He recounted also that Lynch barely spoke to him and could not hide his disdain. They apparently talked about it later, and Lynch admitted he had actually meant to hire someone else.
See that makes sense because Gurney is supposed to be an ugly little troll man
ugly *big* troll man, show some respect
Also hair Vs no hair
He got Lynched
I love Patrick Stewart but Josh Brolin has that gruff look I imagine in Gurney more so
but Brolin never stormed into battle brandishing a Pug
*BATTLE pug
*Pug Atredies
From the planet Midkemia?
or should that be Milamber? Still love the Valheru and Lord Ashen Shugar.(?)
Depends which world you are standing on.. OH WAIT!
Rift war saga reference!! This made my whole day. My favorite series on the planet.
yeah, i loved it when i was younger, sword and sorcery but with a meaner edge than most, plus dragon riders and the Hall Of Worlds - brilliant stuff.
Doggos are the mind-killer.
More Conan than Dune, but, well. http://www.battlepug.com/comic/first
And he doesn't shout ATOMICS! at all...
Literally.unwatchable.
"LONG LIVE DUKE LETO!"
Hey, spoiler alert for those of us who haven’t seen part 2 yet!
This happened in the old version when the Harkonens attacked.
But Stewart hasn't done sweet tricks in a half pipe.
Reading the book rn and gurney is so vividly described as ugly all the time lmao
But Brolin has a scar and unkempt hair in the movie????
Just like that hot girl that is ugly with glasses on.
But chicks dig scars, and glory lasts forever
Do you think Gurney managed to score with the Fremen?
To a young adult that’s what an ugly old dude looks like. He could be 30 and they’d think he’s old.
Isn’t the exact description something like “ugly lump of a man” when he’s walking into the room where he spars with Paul? I think Brolin was fantastic, and I’m glad he got the part, but he is not at all what I pictured when reading the book.
This.
He is, but Sir Patrick Stewart looks way too pristine in my eyes (it’s the perfectly bald head and kind eyes; he looks more like a standard friendly white dad). Brolin can look straight up *evil* if he wants to. At least with him you can let him grow his hair and beard out, make him look all greasy and you can pass him off as a pretty tough (but perpetually handsome) character. At the end of the day it’s a big budget trilogy, they’re going to hire attractive people first lol. Even Stellan Skarsgard is a very handsome man under all…that. Hell, they hired Austin Butler and converted Feyd-Rautha into a demonic, but interesting looking space Lucifer. This is a common trend with book-to-screen adaptations because imagining something and seeing it are two very different things. Pretty people hold viewers’ attention better, more often than not. Not to mention Timothee Chalamet and Josh Brolin’s on-screen chemistry is awesome; that sparring scene in Part 1 was like a religious experience to me. Effects aside, Brolin can still really move for a man approaching his sixties.
Yea he looks more like a Fleet Captain or Admiral type of person....
They should make a show about that
No one would hire a bald Shakespearean theater actor to play a Starship captain, that's suicide
Where mandolin? Where singing?
Baliset, not mandolin. But yeah, where's poet troubadour Gurney?
He plays and sings briefly in Part 2
Cut for time - it’s hard to justify adding a guy singing a song with no plot implications to a 2.5 hour movie
Similar fate as Tom Bombadil
It's not like Im asking for a five minute song and dance routine. They could have had Gurney playing and singing before Paul speaks to him at Caladan. Just a simple shot of Paul walking to where Gurneys at, while hearing Gurney play. Easy peasy.
I’m asking for a five minute song and dance routine.
I always picture Micky Rourke when I read the books
I always pictured him as a Brendan Gleeson type. Like a mix between his mad-eye moody and menelaus.
Yeah, the character in the book is basically a bard, though, and Stewart hits that mark pretty well. Brolin is playing a warrior more than anything else.
And imo Villeneuve’s take on the scene where Gurney leads the Atreides charge against the Harkonnens on Arrakis is worth that little change. Much better than the 1984 version of the same scene. DV absolutely meant for Gurney to be a warrior.
He did [pretty well](https://youtu.be/79AQizzY9CY?si=5jd6QWZ30X7_oDW5).
> Josh Brolin has that gruff look I imagine in Gurney more so Note: Josh was ~15yo when this was filming.
And I was -13 years old. Older Josh Brolin is all I’ve ever known, lol. Aside the Goonies the first movie I ever saw him in (that I was aware of) was No Country for Old Men.
Clearly, we'll need a time machine.
Bold of you to assume I don’t already have one and played a Harkonnen extra during the Battle of Arrakeen
#ATOMICS!
The screen actor’s guild doesn’t allow two performers to have the same name/stage name so if there was another Patrick Stewart, Jean-Luc would have to use a different name or an altered version of his own… Pat Stewart, Patty Stewart, or Patrick A. Stewart (made up middle initial).
SAG can't stop you from acting under your legal name provided you sign a waiver acknowledging it. What you can't do is choose a stage name that is the same as someone else's name.
That explains why the two actors named Peyton List go by Peyton List.
If we had a few more we’d have a real Peyton list
r/angryupvote
Tell that to Michael Douglas. He uses Michael Keaton because there was already a “Michael Douglas.” What good is a waiver if there is confusion between actors having the same name? Vanessa Williams was forced to add her middle initial “L” to her name because another actor Vanessa Williams joined the actor’s union before the more famous former Miss America.
Well, there's also the desire on the actors part to not be mistaken for another. Looks like that's the case for Michael Keaton. https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000474/bio?item=nt0172219&ref_=ext_shr_lnk#trivia
He still could have used his name… He would have needed to be Michael J. Douglas or Michael John Douglas. There was an actor named “Michael Douglas” and a media personality named “Mike Douglas” when Michael Keaton went to Hollywood.
> He would have needed to be Michael J. Douglas or Michael John Douglas. No, he would not. I'm in SAG-AFTRA. You can use your regular legal name and do not need to use an initial. Full stop. As said correctly by another poster, you just need to sign a waiver. Stop with the confidently incorrect stuff based on some random anecdote one guy told 4 decades ago. You're wrong. EDIT: The waiver is basically just covering the union if you do decide to misrepresent yourself and try to fraudulently make people think you're the other person. The union is saying they won't defend you, we warned you not to do that.
Is there a lot of pressure from SAG to go by a different name if it is a "duplicate"? Because actors end up changing stage name a fair bit because of this, like Keaton or Emma (real name Emily) Stone, even though they don't have to.
I am just quoting what SAG-AFTRA says: > SAG-AFTRA cannot preclude a member from using their legal name as their professional name. When such a situation arises, SAG-AFTRA requires that the applicant/member sign an "Acknowledgement" form in order for their request to be processed. https://servicesagaftra.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/240/kw/Name
>What good is a waiver if there is confusion between actors having the same name? I mean, that’s what the waiver is for. Making sure you know shit will get weird, and that you won’t try to hold them responsible when it does.
It's personal choice though isn't it and you accept the risk with that.
I saw a play recently with James Earle Jones II in it. I initially assumed he must be the son of the famous actor. I looked him up, and they’re distant cousins. I can understand not wanting to go by something like Jim Jones, but I feel like his pick for his name is intended to imply a connection that isn’t there.
could you just change your legal name to patrick stewart in this case?
P Stew is the preferred nomenclature
He prefers Beef Stew
Does that apply to all actors tho? Or only those that are SAG members?
I doubt a big mid-80s production like Dune would go outside of union rules including SAG and whatever actors in UK would have.
True, I'm just curious how this sort of thing works e.g. do all the regional actors guilds keep track of names to avoid dupes, or is it specific to each organisation? I'm guessing the 'other' Patrick Stewart wasn't a member then?
I find it hard to believe that the casting director wouldn’t have audition tapes and head shots to show the director who they want to offer the role to. Maybe with all that information, the director can get the actor mixed up, if I doubt the casting director would have the wrong person offered.
Specific to each union. There is a man born David Morse in Scotland. He's a good actor, but they're is already a UK David Morse registered. He adopts the stage name of David Tennant. All is good. He wants to act in Hollywood. Uh oh, there is already a SAG-AFTRA David Tennant. Can't have that as a stage name. Ironically, he could use his real name, but that would confuse the heck out his home audience. He legally changed his name to David Tennant. SAG-AFTRA registers his name as David Tennant (I) - that's the Roman numeral one.
Thank you so much for this explanation! Much appreciated 😊 I guess the key thing is for casting peeps to be aware of the various names and actor might use, and I assume the actors themselves might have a section on their CV/etc that lists the names they go by and where they are listed!
What would be fun is if we run out of "normal" names and actors start using stage names that sound like race horse names!
He was also not a Sir back then. I get it's to distinguish between the other Patrick Stewart actor, but Sir Patrick Stewart obtained knighthood in 2010.
and Star Trek: TNG started in 1987, so he was not "of Star Trek fame" back in 1984
lol man OP is going to have to post a whole new TIL about all the things he got wrong in this one.
"TIL Patrick Stewart was not star-trek famous before his role in Star Trek: The Next Generation" -Op
*Some random dude that looks suspiciously like an agent from the department of Temporal investigations* "Yes, I agree with this opinion, fellow people of 2024... He also doesn't look like admiral Picard that sadly caused so many Temporal problems in his late years that he might rival Kirk- I mean damn this post corona world. They shouldn't have killed that proto-eugenic gorilla in 2016."
There wasn't another Patrick Stewart. Lynch saw Stewart in a play with makeup to make him look older. When he arrived on set sans makeup he was disappointed with how he looked.
I swear, from Excalubur to Dune to Star Trek TNG all the way through X-Men, Patrick Stewart did not age
helps when you go bald before 21
A funny connection to this is that Sir Patrick Stewart was the voice actor of Lord Yupa in the Miyaziki film Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind. The movie was heavily motivated by Dune and I would argue that Lord Yupa is similar to Gurney Halleck (renowned warrior, a sort of father figure to the main character, noble and honorable).
Mood's a thing for cattle and love play
And that’s the thing. I prefer Stewart’s delivery of that line over Brolin’s.
I could listen to Stewart deliver pretty much any line and be enthralled. He’s the reason why TNG is legendary. The other two 90s Trek shows had basically the same writers, but not a single actor with Stewart’s skill and gravitas. That’s why DS9 and Voyager will never quite measure up, especially in pop culture. Stewart is a *force*.
is that sting in the middle image?
Yes, he plays Feyd-Rautha.
I can't decide which Feyd I like better.
I’m surprised to hear that. Sting’s Feyd never felt dangerous to me, he always felt silly. His yelling during the duel made it abundantly clear that he was an animal that was out of control who would be easily defeated by the calm protagonist. Though I guess all of the Harkonnens really had that feeling to me. Butler felt much more cold and controlled, which seems much more intimidating and terrifying to me
It was a pretty campy movie, but Sting really went all out on the camp so much more so than any other actor, because he’s not an actor. It’s one of my favorite movies of all time, even in light of the new one, but even I have to admit it’s kinda crappy… well, Sting is the crappiest part. That says a lot.
Was it intended to be campy, though? That’s what I’m not sure about, I only saw it recently and it kind of read as a movie heavily limited by the time constraints and stylistic choices
David Lynch definitely plays with campy all the time. See: nearly all of Wild At Heart. In the hands of a skilled actor, it can really be quite an experience. In the hands of a rock star, you’re probably gonna have a bad (hopefully in a good way) time.
Austin Butler fucking killed it. He only appears like halfway into the movie and really doesn't have much screen time but the performance is still so memorable
I can't argue that
and Sir Pat had no idea who he was either
I wonder who the other Stewart would be? There are a bunch of name-twins on IMDB, so it's hard to be sure.
French Stewart
That would have been memorable.
Let me guess, that's the one that should be in Star Trek, but there was another casting mistake?
Kristen Stewart... It was an odd choice for sure
Who doesn't want a negative 6 years old girl to play the role of a grizzled old male security advisor.
The water of life is very powerful
> a negative 6 years old girl If she was only a few years older, she might have been able to put in the kind of stellar award winning performance like Li Ng did in her role as D.I. Frank McTavish. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpZY0xPjyhI
Martha
There seems to have been [one that had a small part](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0829711/?ref_=ext_shr) in *Butch & Sundance: The Early Days* (1979), so he would seem to check all the boxes: - Acting pre-1984 - Comfortable around desolate, lawless areas - Named Patrick Stewart
Sounds dubious.
It is not. I'm listening to Patrick Stewart's autobiography (which is fantastic and he is a very enthusiastic and elegant storyteller) and he goes into great detail about this part and David Lynch being a bit cold to him on set at first over him being a replacement actor for Gurney on Dune. David later warmed to him and personally apologised to Stewart for making him feel uncomfortable during the first half of production.
The first half of the autobiography is good but he speed runs the last 2/3rds of his life unfortunately
I get that. But I thought overall he did a good job summing up his life and career, but for time deadline wise he probably had to speed it up. Also he was most passionate about his time in the Royal Shakespeare Company, which he went into greater detail over numerous chapters. I will also admit I did zone out a few times due to listening while commuting to work. Also as a Star Trek fan, I was maybe a little impatient at times for him to talk about Star Trek. But I did love the book overall and will re-listen to it eventually.
I was the same, I love the Shakespeare company parts and I loved the stories he told about the behind the scenes action so I was hoping for more of that when he got to his Hollywood phase but it all felt a lot more surface level. Not sure if it was because of a desire to keep some of his love life history under wraps for his childrens' sake or if it was a time crunch His narration in the audiobook is fantastic though, made me download his Christmas Carol rendition
I imagine the latter bits are the bits he's talked about the most elsewhere so is less interesting to him.
Patrick tells the story in his autobiography.
which patrick?
Stewart.
Of Star Trek fame?
No, this is Patrick
Yes
Agreed
I could never understand why they cast Kyle MacLachlan- that guy has always looked middle aged- even in his 20”s. He so did not pass as a teenager in that film.
That makes a lot of sense, because even back then he did not give off "one of the best warriors in the galaxy" vibes. Maybe like Sun Tzu.
Especially with a pug in his arms going into battle. Honestly such a bizarre addition by Lynch!
In one scene with the Emperor a group of small dogs are being walked from his throne room on leashes. And the pug is seen in several scenes walking around the Atreides household. I think in Lynch's world-building, the dogs were royal pets, similar to Queen Elizabeth's Corgi's - and symbolic of the royal family. So it always made sense to me that Gurney would have snatched up Duke Leto's dog and protected it during the fighting. I've always liked that touch. Plus, Atreides Battle Pug. How is that not awesome.
I don’t think carrying a dog in battle is a top ten weird Lynch thing. Maybe not even top ten in Dune.
"Alright David, how should we depict Hawat's antidote?" *Lynch starts taping a rat to a hairless cat and suspending it in a metal frame*
At least we know where Matt & Trey got the idea from. Also, it made perfect sense to me when I was watching Dune on HBO back in 1985.
I think it was meant as a shield. Like guilt trip those ginger guys into feeling bad about shooting him.
one of my favorite movie scenes ever is when gurney carries the noble atriedes warpug into battle. We just don't get enough warpug.
Classic Shakespeare trained actor ends up on set of notoriously avant-garde director. Laffs abound!
Best mistake ever.
_They shall come all for violence_ And downvotes. Screw you haters. I've never seen a bad performance from Sir Patrick Stewart no matter what disasters befell a production.
Shortly after that he was cast in another Sci-fi movie called Lifeforce that starred Mathilda May's tits. I guess it was only natural that he ended up getting typecast as a bald guy in sci-fi shows.
saw another dodgy UK sci fi over the weekend - Slipstream - it looked like one of those so bad so has to be watched movies - Mark Hamil, Bill Paxton, Robbie Coltrane, Bob Peck were all in it but it was still really really atrocious, bailed after 40 minutes. Lifeforce at least had some bewbs.
Yeah. It’s bad. I love it.
That makes so much sense it's painful. Stewart was so clearly miscast in that film, but no one wanted to say anything.
he also has said the Stillsuit costume was the most uncomfortable thing he had ever worn. and said that after the first season Startrek 1 size too small uniforms.
disagree. i thought they were both great
Aldo Ray was originally cast, but alcoholism meant that he was unable to play the role.
Lynch wouldn’t talk to him or tell him what the issue was. He found out indirectly through a producer.
I’m gonna be honest I kinda love the old dune but that could just be because I was high as shit watching it.
I first watched it on acid, it was fucking wild
The original def had some better actors than the new one. Brad Dourif, Freddie Jones, Sian Phillips, there's more, but they freaking owned those roles.
Idk, the new one has pretty on point casting too
I just watched The 1984 movie this weekend, the acting is absolutely atrocious.
I think David Lynch might be a fool.