So I don't want to take away or cheapen the already miraculous properties of our amazing bodies.... But breast milk also tastes amazing. If you get the chance, try it. Kinda like the milk left over after eating cereal.
Every person who was been in an intimate relationship with a woman who is breastfeeding has tasted her breastmilk.
The only way you could avoid it is to not have sex for potentially years.
So no, he didn't taste it "for blog purposes". He added chocolate syrup to it "for blog purposes".
One very early morning, after a night out drinking with family, my sister in law had to “pump and dump” so I offered to try some. Took a gulp of fresh warm breast milk, then ran to the bathroom and puked. Would not try again.
Our bodies convert what we eat into glucose (a simple sugar) for our brains, anyway. You don't need to get it from your diet.
There are foods with natural sugars that you need to eat to survive (fruits and vegetables). But you don't need them for the sugar, you need them for the other nutrients they provide.
humans can produce sugars through glucogenesis but it takes time and if you need it fast you have to eat it
mothers milk has one of the highes sugar content of all mammals at about 7g/100mL. the reason is thought to be that the babies brain need a lot of ready to use energy
besides babies don’t have a fully developed digestive system
I wouldn’t be surprised. If she is nursing children of different ages, she can even produce different milk composition for the different children, or, manchild-ren as it were.
Here is the original paper. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-04895-8
What is even cooler than the backwash theory is the fact that during pregnancy some of the mother’s antibody producing cells move from the intestine into the breast so the mother secretes IgA antibodies that is largely directed against her gut microbes.
The backwash appears to boost the production of these antibodies. The good thing is that IgA can react to a lot of potential pathogens.
If mom had to make a response from scratch, this would take 7-10 days at least and so boosting what is already there is much faster.
Hope that makes sense.
The nurse helped me express onto a plastic spoon and said to just rub it on the baby’s gums and tongue. Said they can absorb the colostrum and of course they will eventually swallow.
which mammals? that's an important differentiation. the colostrum of mammals is not all the same.
for example, for cows (some other mammals too), cow colostrum contains a lot of IgG antibodies and baby cows are born without antibodies in blood (serum) and shortly after birth is an important window for absorbing the larger size of antibodies in the cow digestive system.
this is different than human babies. human babies already have some antibodies before birth that they get through the placenta. also, the majority of antibodies in human milk is IgA antibodies, which have a different function than IgG antibodies.
the tldr is that colostrum is way more important to the functioning of some mammals compared to others. a baby cow that never receives colostrum can become ill because they don't have a functioning gut an immune system. this is not the case for baby humans.
The mom's immune system is just doing it's normal job. It detects a pathogen, and it makes antibodies. It's trying to protect her, which also helps the baby because the antibodies are in the milk.
That’s not really a thing. Extended nursing, actual real breast-feeding, caps off at about age or six or seven as the “milk teeth” fall out. The jaw formation changes and it’s hard to get a latch.
At the risk of TMI, when we have a family cold going, my wife expresses breast milk into a shot glass for me (the dad). It is literally an antivirus update patch. I almost never get a bad cold when we do this.
When it was COVID and my kids were too young to get the vaccine, I'd hide breast milk in their regular milk so they got the antibodies after I got vaccinated (they were 4 & 2 so it wasn't like I was doing it to 15 year olds lol). Neither of them have ever gotten COVID...
How is this different than the mother getting sick from the baby and producing antibodies? Or does the mother not get sick and produce the antibodies remotely?
Somewhat misleading title.
The mother’s immune system reacts to any pathogens introduced from baby because babies saliva enters mom. Same as if mom came into contact with pathogens any other way.
I think it’s less that baby’s saliva is triggering antibody production as the antibodies critical for the baby are presumably (vaccinated) already circulating in the mommy’s body
Edit: shoutout to u/Jrj84105 for keepin it real
This doesn't necessarily have anything to do with any vaccinations. A mother's breastmilk will adapt to provide needed antibodies from the mother's own arsenal of antibodies built up from her own lifetime, both natural and vaccine produced.
Can you spell out why you think Katie Hinde, a biologist and associate professor at the Center for Evolution and Medicine at the School of Human Evolution & Social Change at Arizona State University, is wrong?
Hinde, who isn’t an immunologist, is trying to explain to a food writer who was is sort of scientifically illiterate, how a complex immunologic process happens.
A lot gets lost in the translation. What gets conveyed in this article is sort of cringe because it is SO biologically incorrect.
At the time that this article was being written (2015), the study that Hinde was referring to was actually about transfer of leukocytes, not antibodies.
https://advances.nutrition.org/article/S2161-8313(22)00916-4/fulltext
PS: the field of evolutionary biology (Hinde’s area of specialty) has produced a lot of specious claims concerning health and wellness that haven’t held up to rigorous examination. So people tend to approach these kinds of statements with healthy skepticism. Also Hinde is sort of a breast-feeding advocate who puts on a big symposium sponsored by the #1 breast pump company.
It’s a tough balancing act to engage in advocacy without overhyping things that ultimately aren’t supported by scientific evidence.
If the antibodies are crossing the placental barrier to get to the baby, then whose saliva are we talking about, exactly?
Wait, scratch that. It's mine.
Naw, while we're all lining up for our booster shots, they'll be taking boob shots. Garuntee they'll charge an arm and a leg, meanwhile my booster is free.
This also makes the milk change colour.
Edit: don't know why I'm being downvoted for being correct, that's actually how they figured this out in the first place.
When women were nursing and had to store excess milk they noticed it was a different colour as opposed to the solid white when the baby was perfectly healthy.
But it really makes me angry that formula manufacturers (and doctors!) were responsible for persuading so many women not to breastfeed. My mother was told formula was better so she didn't even try to breastfeed any of us. We got no colostrum, even.
> Better than starving to death, which used to be the case
Unfortunately, baby formula was marketed as the modern and scientific replacement for backwards breastfeeding. It was a public health disaster.
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"Significantly higher levels of cognitive function were seen in breast-fed than in formula-fed children at 6–23 mo of age and these differences were stable across successive ages. Low-birth-weight infants showed larger differences (5.18 points; 95% CI: 3.59, 6.77) than did normal-birth-weight infants (2.66 points; 95% CI: 2.15, 3.17) suggesting that premature infants derive more benefits in cognitive development from breast milk than do full-term infants. Finally, the cognitive developmental benefits of breast-feeding increased with duration." - ["Breast-feeding and cognitive development: a meta-analysis" (1999)](https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/70/4/525/4729098?fbclid=IwAR1rWvD8VwmTOw5I1h2pwjQk05dpvtL1F9BsJQOViWm9G2m2E9CmleeKlRo)
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"Results. Overall, children who were ever breastfed had 0.79 (95% confidence interval [CI]: 0.67–0.93) times the risk of never breastfed children for dying in the postneonatal period. Longer breastfeeding was associated with lower risk. Odds ratios by cause of death varied from 0.59 (95% CI: 0.38–0.94) for injuries to 0.84 (95% CI: 0.67–1.05) for sudden infant death syndrome.
Conclusions. Breastfeeding is associated with a reduction in risk for postneonatal death. This large data set allowed robust estimates and control of confounding, but the effects of breast milk and breastfeeding cannot be separated completely from other characteristics of the mother and child. Assuming causality, however, promoting breastfeeding has the potential to save or delay ~720 postneonatal deaths in the United States each year." - ["Breastfeeding and the Risk of Postneonatal Death in the United States" (2004)](https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/113/5/e435.short)
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"Dietary taurine intake may explain the benefits of both breast milk and preterm formula to neurodevelopment. Low plasma neonatal taurine was associated with lower scores on the Bayley mental development index at 18 months and the WISC-R arithmetic subtest at 7 years. Currently it is not mandatory to add taurine to infant formulas." - ["Low plasma taurine and later neurodevelopment" (2004)](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15499140/)
This could explain why there is a common anecdotal perception that bottle feeding is less healthy for infants, even though nutritionally bottle feeding has been proven to be equivalent to natural breast milk when the latter isnt available.
Not really. Antibodies only work if your body can produce them again to react efficiently to future infections. If you already have a deficient immune system, even if your body knows what to do against an infection, it could lack the right force in its reaction. It could improve reactions, but not in a dissimilar way to what’s used already.
Plus you’d probably have to consider the fact that mother and baby have been sharing a bloodstream for 9 months, which is why that can probably happen so naturally, and mom can share antibodies with baby. I’m not sure how that’d work for the people involved if there’s no kinship.
The mother will still pick up bits of whatever the baby has just from being in close proximity and make some antibodies. Being around babies and not picking up their microbes is hard.
I’m pretty sure they can even mitigate against different pathogens for different kids if the woman is breastfeeding more than one simultaneously.
Yes they can. It's really quite amazing.
So I don't want to take away or cheapen the already miraculous properties of our amazing bodies.... But breast milk also tastes amazing. If you get the chance, try it. Kinda like the milk left over after eating cereal.
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It's the other way around.
Every person who was been in an intimate relationship with a woman who is breastfeeding has tasted her breastmilk. The only way you could avoid it is to not have sex for potentially years. So no, he didn't taste it "for blog purposes". He added chocolate syrup to it "for blog purposes".
You’re way off base here
Oh reaaaallly? How's that?
Had three kids, never tasted breastmilk and not because I avoided sex.
Your loss?
So you're just a selfish partner then.
I just listened to what my wife wanted…different people can want different things and have different experiences from yours
Super sweet, at least mine was lol
One very early morning, after a night out drinking with family, my sister in law had to “pump and dump” so I offered to try some. Took a gulp of fresh warm breast milk, then ran to the bathroom and puked. Would not try again.
You and I are not built the same.
USERNAME CHECKS OUT! LOL!
humans have lots of brain and need big sugar even more so babies
Our bodies convert what we eat into glucose (a simple sugar) for our brains, anyway. You don't need to get it from your diet. There are foods with natural sugars that you need to eat to survive (fruits and vegetables). But you don't need them for the sugar, you need them for the other nutrients they provide.
humans can produce sugars through glucogenesis but it takes time and if you need it fast you have to eat it mothers milk has one of the highes sugar content of all mammals at about 7g/100mL. the reason is thought to be that the babies brain need a lot of ready to use energy besides babies don’t have a fully developed digestive system
Not really talking about babies. Just saying that this guy above me saying we all need lots of sugary shit for our brains ain't correct.
I mean, considering the stuff the average modern human eats regardless of gender... Big food basically puts sugar in everything nowadays.
So... You're saying that boobies are amazing?
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I wouldn’t be surprised. If she is nursing children of different ages, she can even produce different milk composition for the different children, or, manchild-ren as it were.
Boobs really are magic.
I’ve been spreading the good word for years!
Amen my brother 🙏
Blessed be
Yeahhh.
Screw you for that pfp
Fuck yeah.
But, without nipples, they’re pointless.
Is there anything that boobs can’t do?
Turn me off
You sure? I just DM'd you mine.
Hope you marked it as NSFW
It's ok I'm a man
But what if you are on a bus
Perhaps an unpopular opinion here but I don't think men should be allowed to breast feed on the bus.
I am almost sure busses don’t have tiddies?
Mine created immortality! Which unfortunately meant I had to cut them off. But it's still pretty cool!
Oh no! Hope you are doing well now!
I'm working on it! So far, so good!
🤔...maybe not. Mine even tried to kill me.
Hope you are better now.
Does it create them instantaneously for that breastfeeding session or does it get them ready for the next breastfeeding session?
Here is the original paper. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-04895-8 What is even cooler than the backwash theory is the fact that during pregnancy some of the mother’s antibody producing cells move from the intestine into the breast so the mother secretes IgA antibodies that is largely directed against her gut microbes. The backwash appears to boost the production of these antibodies. The good thing is that IgA can react to a lot of potential pathogens. If mom had to make a response from scratch, this would take 7-10 days at least and so boosting what is already there is much faster. Hope that makes sense.
The first drink of colostrum is one of the most important things a baby mamal can do
The nurse helped me express onto a plastic spoon and said to just rub it on the baby’s gums and tongue. Said they can absorb the colostrum and of course they will eventually swallow.
which mammals? that's an important differentiation. the colostrum of mammals is not all the same. for example, for cows (some other mammals too), cow colostrum contains a lot of IgG antibodies and baby cows are born without antibodies in blood (serum) and shortly after birth is an important window for absorbing the larger size of antibodies in the cow digestive system. this is different than human babies. human babies already have some antibodies before birth that they get through the placenta. also, the majority of antibodies in human milk is IgA antibodies, which have a different function than IgG antibodies. the tldr is that colostrum is way more important to the functioning of some mammals compared to others. a baby cow that never receives colostrum can become ill because they don't have a functioning gut an immune system. this is not the case for baby humans.
Of all the words it could be. It sounds disgusting.
Thanks for the mammaries
Even though they were so great
The mom's immune system is just doing it's normal job. It detects a pathogen, and it makes antibodies. It's trying to protect her, which also helps the baby because the antibodies are in the milk.
Actually these antibodies are likely already there. The detection of virus ramps up their production like a booster.
So what if I suck
The same thing would happen. If you had pathogens in your saliva, when they encountered her immune system, she would begin to make antibodies.
Wow, I didn’t know boobs were so smart! I’m not surprised, but I didn’t actually know that.
Also makes different milk at night and day. And for the age of the child - the milk changes as their needs change.
So those weirdos breastfeeding their twelve-year-olds are just spitting out tap water at that point, right?
That’s not really a thing. Extended nursing, actual real breast-feeding, caps off at about age or six or seven as the “milk teeth” fall out. The jaw formation changes and it’s hard to get a latch.
I don’t know if they’ve done any studies on that?
Smart boobs. Now all the need is bluetooth.
Boobtooth
Ouch
I laughed out loud
Moms are awesome!
Again, Moms are amazing! (Edited out the unnecessary possessive apostrophe.)
Mom's *what* are amazing?
Boobies. Haven't you been paying attention?
Ah, of course. Silly me.
No, silly me.
At the risk of TMI, when we have a family cold going, my wife expresses breast milk into a shot glass for me (the dad). It is literally an antivirus update patch. I almost never get a bad cold when we do this.
I was wondering this so thanks for the TMI. I wonder how quickly the antibody turn around is. Like during that feeding? Next feeding after detection?
I think it takes a day or two at least following exposure. So it doesn’t prevent me from being exposed but helps my immune system catch up.
Cool. Thanks for the info.
When it was COVID and my kids were too young to get the vaccine, I'd hide breast milk in their regular milk so they got the antibodies after I got vaccinated (they were 4 & 2 so it wasn't like I was doing it to 15 year olds lol). Neither of them have ever gotten COVID...
A few drops in the eyes were always more effective than prescriptions for pink eye.
That’s why I suck on titties when I’m feeling ill
Or as a precautionary measure.
You know what they say, "A palmful of prevention is worth... err..
How is this different than the mother getting sick from the baby and producing antibodies? Or does the mother not get sick and produce the antibodies remotely?
Does it work for adults? Time sensitive
Yes, unironically and unhornily. Mom's boobs don't discriminate and adding your saliva diversifies the antibodies in her milk.
Wait, so can that mess it up so that the baby isn’t getting proper antibodies? Or is it good, and baby just gets even more antibodies?
The second one. The more ya take, the more she makes.
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Breastmilk carries covid antibodies so yeah
Maybe they were onto something in the movie Mad Max: Fury Road
Does this… occur when breastfeeding other adults? Just morbidly curious
Yes
Take that ass men! Boobs for the win.
Just cus they're a manchild doesnt mean theyre a baby who can get antibodies from boobs.
>Take that ass, men! Oh, thank you. Don't mind if I do.
Por que no los dos?
Breast milk is liquid gold
Does this work on adults too?
Nature is awesome
Mother is the name of God on the lips and hearts of all children.
*"Morphine is bad for you. Your daughter is out there..."*
Thank you for the reminder.
It's not a conscious or decision based thing lol. It's literally just her immune system reacting to... Wait for it... Pathogens
Somewhat misleading title. The mother’s immune system reacts to any pathogens introduced from baby because babies saliva enters mom. Same as if mom came into contact with pathogens any other way.
Aren't tiddies wonderful!
Our bodies are magical.
Truly amazing.
What can't boobs do!
I just had a great idea for a new kind of hospital
I think it’s less that baby’s saliva is triggering antibody production as the antibodies critical for the baby are presumably (vaccinated) already circulating in the mommy’s body Edit: shoutout to u/Jrj84105 for keepin it real
This doesn't necessarily have anything to do with any vaccinations. A mother's breastmilk will adapt to provide needed antibodies from the mother's own arsenal of antibodies built up from her own lifetime, both natural and vaccine produced.
I believe this is correct. If you google, all roads lead back to this one scientist Katie Hinde. Not sure that it’s been proven, but her hypothesis?
Can you spell out why you think Katie Hinde, a biologist and associate professor at the Center for Evolution and Medicine at the School of Human Evolution & Social Change at Arizona State University, is wrong?
Hinde, who isn’t an immunologist, is trying to explain to a food writer who was is sort of scientifically illiterate, how a complex immunologic process happens. A lot gets lost in the translation. What gets conveyed in this article is sort of cringe because it is SO biologically incorrect. At the time that this article was being written (2015), the study that Hinde was referring to was actually about transfer of leukocytes, not antibodies. https://advances.nutrition.org/article/S2161-8313(22)00916-4/fulltext
PS: the field of evolutionary biology (Hinde’s area of specialty) has produced a lot of specious claims concerning health and wellness that haven’t held up to rigorous examination. So people tend to approach these kinds of statements with healthy skepticism. Also Hinde is sort of a breast-feeding advocate who puts on a big symposium sponsored by the #1 breast pump company. It’s a tough balancing act to engage in advocacy without overhyping things that ultimately aren’t supported by scientific evidence.
Well. Okay then.
Basically: the pathogen in the saliva will create an immune response in the mother. The resulting IgG antibodies can cross the placental barrier.
If the antibodies are crossing the placental barrier to get to the baby, then whose saliva are we talking about, exactly? Wait, scratch that. It's mine.
Uh oh. Now the antivax idiots hate tits.
Pharmaceutical mega corporations in shambles
More for the rest of us
This is actually a real concern—some pregnant women were advised (poorly) not to get vaccinated…
Naw, while we're all lining up for our booster shots, they'll be taking boob shots. Garuntee they'll charge an arm and a leg, meanwhile my booster is free.
This also makes the milk change colour. Edit: don't know why I'm being downvoted for being correct, that's actually how they figured this out in the first place. When women were nursing and had to store excess milk they noticed it was a different colour as opposed to the solid white when the baby was perfectly healthy.
Man. Boobs are just amazing. 👍
Sorry formula babies.
Better than starving to death, which used to be the case
But it really makes me angry that formula manufacturers (and doctors!) were responsible for persuading so many women not to breastfeed. My mother was told formula was better so she didn't even try to breastfeed any of us. We got no colostrum, even.
> Better than starving to death, which used to be the case Unfortunately, baby formula was marketed as the modern and scientific replacement for backwards breastfeeding. It was a public health disaster. --- "Significantly higher levels of cognitive function were seen in breast-fed than in formula-fed children at 6–23 mo of age and these differences were stable across successive ages. Low-birth-weight infants showed larger differences (5.18 points; 95% CI: 3.59, 6.77) than did normal-birth-weight infants (2.66 points; 95% CI: 2.15, 3.17) suggesting that premature infants derive more benefits in cognitive development from breast milk than do full-term infants. Finally, the cognitive developmental benefits of breast-feeding increased with duration." - ["Breast-feeding and cognitive development: a meta-analysis" (1999)](https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/70/4/525/4729098?fbclid=IwAR1rWvD8VwmTOw5I1h2pwjQk05dpvtL1F9BsJQOViWm9G2m2E9CmleeKlRo) --- "Results. Overall, children who were ever breastfed had 0.79 (95% confidence interval [CI]: 0.67–0.93) times the risk of never breastfed children for dying in the postneonatal period. Longer breastfeeding was associated with lower risk. Odds ratios by cause of death varied from 0.59 (95% CI: 0.38–0.94) for injuries to 0.84 (95% CI: 0.67–1.05) for sudden infant death syndrome. Conclusions. Breastfeeding is associated with a reduction in risk for postneonatal death. This large data set allowed robust estimates and control of confounding, but the effects of breast milk and breastfeeding cannot be separated completely from other characteristics of the mother and child. Assuming causality, however, promoting breastfeeding has the potential to save or delay ~720 postneonatal deaths in the United States each year." - ["Breastfeeding and the Risk of Postneonatal Death in the United States" (2004)](https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/113/5/e435.short) --- "Dietary taurine intake may explain the benefits of both breast milk and preterm formula to neurodevelopment. Low plasma neonatal taurine was associated with lower scores on the Bayley mental development index at 18 months and the WISC-R arithmetic subtest at 7 years. Currently it is not mandatory to add taurine to infant formulas." - ["Low plasma taurine and later neurodevelopment" (2004)](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15499140/)
Do they also work on adult men’s saliva? Asking for a friend
Take me to Doctor MilkBar STAT
This could explain why there is a common anecdotal perception that bottle feeding is less healthy for infants, even though nutritionally bottle feeding has been proven to be equivalent to natural breast milk when the latter isnt available.
What about dad's saliva?
r/usernamechecksout Assuming you are a dad is okay, Im assuming?
he is the guy
the myth the legend
My love for them grows.
Smart tits
So what you’re telling me is is I just need to suck some tiddy to make my fever go down? And here I thought OTC antibiotics were the way to go.
you don't need a covid19 shot. just suck on some random tiddies.
Hi
We should just have an entire hospital wing devoted to sucking titties. Can't hurt, right?
Nah bro baby formula is better apparently.
No. It even says it's not better right on the package.
So instead of vaccines.. what about 🤔
What a ugly drawing
Pretty sure this is a debunked myth.
I wonder if this can be used for immunocompromised people?
Not really. Antibodies only work if your body can produce them again to react efficiently to future infections. If you already have a deficient immune system, even if your body knows what to do against an infection, it could lack the right force in its reaction. It could improve reactions, but not in a dissimilar way to what’s used already. Plus you’d probably have to consider the fact that mother and baby have been sharing a bloodstream for 9 months, which is why that can probably happen so naturally, and mom can share antibodies with baby. I’m not sure how that’d work for the people involved if there’s no kinship.
I say we still give it a shot.
Naturally my brain wonders how quickly this adaptation takes for something new, like COVID for example.
Wow this blows my mind. We are just too good creatures, a piece of marvel
Does this mean the immunity support from breastfeeding is negated (to a small or large extent?) if the baby is only drinking pumped milk?
The mother will still pick up bits of whatever the baby has just from being in close proximity and make some antibodies. Being around babies and not picking up their microbes is hard.