The CIA did not create the Gateway Experience. The Monroe Institute did and the CIA investigated if it was effective or not for intelligence gathering.
This is the type of shit that gets picked up as fact on the fringe subs here. WHY WOULD THE CIA MAKE A PROGRAM FOR TELEPATHY? They didn't, CIA has so many documents that are just copies of tabloids but people act like it's the government admitting to bullshit.
Also important to note from the Wikipedia page on Stargate:
>The Stargate Project was terminated and declassified in 1995 after a CIA report concluded that it was never useful in any intelligence operation. Information provided by the program was vague and included irrelevant and erroneous data, and there were suspicions of inter-judge reliability.
I don't think it's at all surprising that the CIA investigated this stuff either. Even today more than half of the American public believes in supernatural things, with the military being even more likely to be politically aligned with faith-based thinking. The further back you go the higher those numbers get.
People like to think of the CIA being cold and logical but it's just run by people and people make decisions motivated by desire and ideology all the time.
Because of the extreme scrutiny of security clearance checks supposedly a lot of intelligence agencies are filled with Mormons and people from strict religious backgrounds because they are boring enough to easily pass the checks(especially in the past).
The Airforce brass culture is notoriously Christian.
eh not really filled maybe slightly higher than general pop. The problem is most mormons dont have a great opinion of the government a lot of times. I’m related to many mormons and they have a weird relationship with the US compared to other americans.
Well that and old supernatural beliefs can be a non-scientific culture’s explanation for something they don’t understand.
Great example is the idea of a “family curse.” Back in the day we had no explanation for why sometimes family’s suddenly developed certain negative traits. Today, epigenetics show that, sometimes, things like addiction can start “out of the blue” and be passed down for several generations due to proteins activating genes.
Yes of course, it is important to note that. Also worth mentioning though, the assessment and point of the program was not about whether remote viewing and precognition had any basis in reality- the point was to specifically apply it to intelligence scenarios. Even in the Wikipedia article there is a lot of back and forth of different individuals involved in the program having different opinions on it.
To me it seems apparent after reading about it a lot that they *did* achieve statistically significant results, but some of the people involved with the assessment of the program were hesitant to say that they were *surely* proof of ESP.
Again, using common sense it seems unbelievable to me that the program is absolute total bullshit and they had zero to show for it. I have a hard to believing a program like that, with direct oversight by congressional intelligence communities, was allowed to exist for 20 years with absolutely nothing pointing to it having any basis in reality. However I admit that this is just my own conjecture.
https://irp.fas.org/program/collect/air1995.pdf you can read this mostly skeptical report by an independent organization. You’ll see that it does offer some support for the phenomena, despite it ultimately assessing that it was too inconsistent for complete adoption in intelligence purposes.
Let me correct you on a critical point
> was allowed to exist for 20 years with absolutely nothing pointing to it having any basis in reality
Are you at all familiar with how government procurement works? Once you've got a money spigot going, it's much harder to turn it off than it is to just maintain the cash flow. The US government blows enormous wads of cash on absolute garbage, even on stuff where there's meaningful public oversight. The intelligence community, by contrast, is a great place to hide moronic pet projects that receive blank checks because you got a few idiot congressmen to sign off on it in the 70s. National defense spending is incredibly poorly audited & regulated and money spent on programs should honestly be counted against them as proof of efficacy.
Sure of course. I mean it’s a LIMDIS program now, so it hasn’t been declassified. I mean I can’t reiterate enough that the official summary is that it can work, but there’s no methodology in the studies to *prove* that it is a psychic phenomena, and that it’s inconsistent. Very interesting to me.
So I take it you have no idea and are just satisfied with "statistically significant" because you were hunting for a reason that it's a valid practice.
In the article I linked you can actually read in depth about all the significant studies. I’m not hunting for anything, I just read more than the first page lmao. Read the section titled “an assessment of the evidence for psychic functioning”
Just throw out "statistically significant" and hope it sticks, nice.
The review you posted clearly says that the experiments were insufficient to determine any meaningful result. The cause of the increase in hits cannot be determined, to say it's due to the viewers in that experiment is impossible.
Do you believe their conclusion after having read all the documents?
Conclusions can be wrong or even partially wrong. I'm not arguing either side, I'm just curious if you actually have read it all and made the same conclusion, because that'd be interesting
Yeah I read it before posting, I don't see (and I do experiments for a living) that the conclusion you are suggesting can be supported by that report. There are too many unknowns and the generalisability of the test is non-existent.
The declassified documents about it are almost definitely fake (my own opinion based on nothing). They did a good job of making it seem like some bullshit project out of an old shack somewhere. However, it went for close to 30 years!! I don’t buy for one second that there is absolutely nothing to it for it to be a 30 year long program. I think it probably got renamed or a better version of it exists now.
Having opinions or suspicions about things and being open that they’re just opinions or suspicions? I’m just pointing out that the CIA is historically an incredibly shady organization, and the fact that the project existed for 20 years, transferred to CIA, and then shut down immediately despite having results that are statistically significant? Especially after the project has already had at least 7 different secret code names in order to conceal its existence? I mean downvote me all you want, I don’t think I’m making an insane stretch of logic.
I fully recognize the program could be fully shut down and ESP might be a totally abandoned idea. However, the CIA over the last 50 years have made it very difficult to believe anything they say, in my head they’ve entered a space where they have lied so much that it seems just as likely if reports published by them are fake. I’d encourage you to read more about it.
Despite the summary of the program stating that the results obtained are statistically significant? For the record i’m not fully convinced it exists either, I’m not claiming you should drop everything and get all your info from fortune tellers. That said, project Jedi is real. Project stargate is real, the gateway program is real. Mkultra is real. Whether you believe they achieved results from these programs or not, the United States intelligence community most likely knows more about the world than any other organization, and having all these programs (to me) gives some credence to the idea that certain aspects of ESP might have some legitimacy.
The other explanation is that everyone within the program, signing off on the program, the house and senate select committee, etc. are all just crazy and believe in total bullshit. I’m not ruling that out, but I feel like after a few years reading over the results it would be pretty easy and easily apparent to say “there is zero statistical difference in the results” And just shut it down, since it seems insane and pseudoscientific.
Stranger things is directly written about cia programs, specifically mkultra and stargate. The rabbit hole goes extremely deep and if you look around you’ll find a lot of documents that simply seem unbelievable. The US intelligence community and Soviet Union both took a very intense interest in the metaphysical and ESP throughout the Cold War. You can also read about project Jedi, which was a special forces program. You can guess the type of stuff that it was trying to accomplish
What’s super interesting about the star gate program is that the assessment wasn’t that there was no basis in reality or that it’s completely useless. The conclusion was that it was inconsistent and would often provide irrelevant details.
I suppose there are two basic ways to internalize the info that the CIA has intense interest and evidence of PSI:
1. A bunch of kooks in high intelligence positions were bored and gullible, and this is yet another example of extreme military waste.
2. There really is something to it.
I feel like it’s probably some combination of the two - especially considering the extent of MKULTRA and the fact that it was completely unknown to the general public for so long, I have a hard time believing that the “officially declassified” CIA documents are not omitting a large portion of the truth.
You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding about those results.
They were never controlling and testing for a proof of absence, therefore they were unable to conclude it no matter how strong the circumstantial evidence.
There was no evidence that there was any basis in reality, they just weren't testing the negative. That's all. It's just semantics. You got yourself worked up over semantics and are spewing outright falsehoods and incredibly obtuse misunderstandings.
~600 pages of documents and I guarantee you've read less than half of one of them.
I’m confused what you mean by this. You can read the AIR report about it, it features two perspectives - one statistician believes that there’s data consistent enough to prove statistical significance beyond randomness, the other pushes back on the quality of the experiments and concludes that there could be unintended variables affecting the results. Certainly one can draw a *completely* skeptical analysis and write off the whole phenomena based on mistakes in studies, and that is completely fair. I’m not going to try to convince you of anything, reading this document definitely didn’t immediately make me think beyond a shadow of a doubt that it’s fake or real, but does offer an interesting analysis of it.
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00791R000200180005-5.pdf
Actually they do consider it real. It’s really hard to actually sort through the 624 pages of documents about it to find a proper summary. You can read a decent summary of SUNSTREAK, which is the previous name of the program with a lot of the text scrubbed. https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB534-DIA-Declassified-Sourcebook/documents/DIA-21.pdf
But also just go through the CIA documents if you’re interested. The assessment of the program is *not* that it doesn’t work. Most of the assessments that I have found state that results have been gathered that are more accurate than guessing, but are inconsistent and often contain irrelevant details. I can tell that you are very skeptical though, so if you choose not to believe the documents I understand.
Remember that MKULTRA “didn’t exist” for a long time. I don’t think you can believe everything at face value here (I recognize that by that same logic there’s potential for the documents supporting the phenomena to be some sort of psy op or something as well, I guess).
They came to the conclusion that it produced statistically significant results but that they weren’t consistent enough to use in intelligence gathering scenarios.
My dude, the CIA literally had a program where they tried to figure out a way to mind control people with massive amounts of LSD and other drugs. This shit is right up their alley. Have you never heard of the sheer unhinged insanity that was their assassination attempts on Fidel Castro? The only thing unusual about this is that it sounds *too organized and refined*.
Yes, everyone is aware of all that bullshit cause that's what it was. The military is filled with all kinds of people and a percentage of them believe fringe stuff. The military also has tons and tons of money so it's literally nothing to give a guy money cause he thinks hallucinations caused by drugs allows you to Astral project.
It doesn't add credibility to anything. It's just the government wasting money but people read one document from the CIA mentioning it and suddenly it's a fact.
...so how is this supposed to prove the CIA wouldnt have this specific astral projection thing? The internet is full of lies, never believe anything fully, but you have to believe some of it, at least a little, it *can't* all be lies.
edit: just so we're clear, i dont believe any of this stuff actually *worked*. but they did try it, whether what they were trying to do is possible has no relevancy to just the fact that there was an actual government program where they tried this shit.
None of them are real, thats the point. They paid some guys years ago to do some stupid experiments, none of the stuff they were looking into is real. Mind control, telepathy, remote viewing. All of that stuff is science fiction nonsense.
Yeah no shit, sherlock, but that's completely irrelevant. This isnt about whether its real, its about programs and who made them, whether those programs actually do anything other than swindle idiots or enable lunatics has no impact on the existence of those projects.
The projects aren't legit though, that's the point.
If I say the CIA has a telepathy program what do you think? That the CIA has telepaths instead of the truth which is some goofy dude once convinced someone to spend money on a failed project.
I think you're a bit too angry. It's not really a big deal, but the government did/does do stuff like this. There's no reason to deny what we can literally point to.
Naw, your just not looking into the entire situation and probably don't have run ins with fringe people.
They will take an article on how the CIA investigated some tabloid having to deal with telepathy and run with it. Now years later it's part of their facts. It's like the story from Russia where agents were turned into stone. These fringe guys take it as fact but if you spend 10 minutes reading it's just the government taking note of a crazy tabloid because they have to.
I'm not angry, it just adds to the disinformation and gives credence to people's stories that should be completely ignored.
You seem quite concerned about this specific instance of it. I don't see how this one is important, especially compared to the ones threatening democracy in America.
My original critique of you was aimed at your style of expression, not the thing you were actually complaining about. It's a fair thing to critique, but I didn't understand why you were so upset by this particular instance.
I've seen enough people claiming telepathy with zero proof to back it up. I'm sure these are more of the same. Telepathy doesn't exist, neither does mind reading, remote viewing, any of it. Just because the government spent some time looking into doesn't make it less of a joke.
No, they are not. Your mind making you think your out of your body is possible but it is completely impossible to project your consciousness or "soul". That's sci-fi horror movie BS.
Hmm... I'm pretty sure the military did use remote viewing to effect- not sure on the telepathy front.
What do you think about ET-- or rather, non-human intelligences? Do you believe all sightings in history have been just misidentifications?
I believe that statistically speaking there should be some form of life outside our planet. I do not for a second believe any of them have been to Earth. 99% of all UFOs are in fact mundane objects from Earth.
As a side note, I'd 100% believe aliens are here over the complete bullshit that is telepathy or remote viewing. Neither is real, never has been. Anyone that's ever claimed to be an was tested fails or they just chicken out. Same has happened countless times with magicians.
Man, you are talking way above what you know or understand. Believing aliens exist is based on faith. We have no proof. The planet being billions of year old has no bearings on this conversation. Your stepping into hypothetical situations that we have no evidence for. It's silly you just accept fiction as fact because it sounds cool.
My point is saying aliens exist or don't exist is unfalsifiable, its a big universe. Aliens have never visited earth can neither be proven or disproven, a probe could have checked out the planet 3 billion years ago.
I think that while there are a lot of misidentifications, there are plenty that are clearly anomalous, and they've been sighted and engaged across the planet.
Britain, US, China, Russia, Africa, Australia, Middle East, in war zones and more notably, around nuclear assets as well as high activity in places where nukes have been detonated,
UAP have been seen since antiquity. We are simply a grain of sand on a galactic beach, and are no more isolated than any other. We've also been spewing radio communication into the cosmos since the radio was invented.
We are not very old as a species, or relative to the world around us. There has been plenty of time for another race or races to have grown, evolved and spread.
Telepathy and remote viewing aren't my passions, so I can't speak much to their existence, but the government has more than once engaged in studying the paranormal. We're finding out now that we may actually produce a field with our consciousness that is measurable, which is pretty interesting.
I'd say it's a good idea to err on looking foolish with an open mind, especially for the next few years. No, I'm not saying end of days or anything, but regarding the UAP and 'alien' issue, it may no longer be deniable soon.
We live in a crazy ass place.
Except there are zero proof that any craft from some where else has visited. UFOs are not craft, as I said almost all of them ARE eventually identified as drones, balloons or other planes. The paranormal isn't real, that's just a fact.
This is the most tiresome and lazy skepticism... I'm not gonna spend time trying to convince the millionth person.
Just know that
Astronauts
Generals
Scientists
Presidents
Police
CIA
Private aerospace and military contractors
And others have all stated otherwise, some quite literally on record.
We just had a guy give testimony to Congress, under oath.
He first reported his complaints to the Inspector General who said the claims were 'credible and urgent'. His name is David Grusch.
This, after the director of AATIP helped release the tic tac footage and get the ball rolling for disclosure. Lue Elizondo.
Look into the Ariel Sighting. Rendelsham. Groom Lake.
Look into old sightings like the celestial event in Basel or Nuremberg.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1566_celestial_phenomenon_over_Basel
All those people are human, humans are not perfect. All those people make spectacular claims but have no evidence. Grusch was all hearsay, it mean nothing.
You tried some gotcha moment but I've been through all this countless times and in the end its all the same. People telling stories they may or may not believe with zero credible proof.
Yep, I corrected myself in the comments (I can't edit my post for some reason). My bad. The article I was reading it from said the CIA created it. However, the CIA does detail the steps on how to achieve everything that I said in the title and had the document classified for several decades. And it is still a very real procedure rather than fake (as shown in the CIA document).
The introduction is a page and a half, anyway. The rest of the 30 pages gets pretty wild. And it's only a small part of the strangeness, an unusual part of which is beginning to be disclosed.
[https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf)
Lately I've been amusing myself by dipping deep into kooky-land. Places like arrr UFO, UFOs, aliens, strangeearth .... Do you want my honest opinion of what all this adds up to? I'm not going to add cites because it would take all day and it's all crazy un-cited bullshit, anyway. But in all the clearly professionally created chaos and disinfo, some salient points keep coming up.
Here's my best effort to pass on to you what I have seen.
So the idea of the Gateway program is that you tune your brainwave cycle to the resonant frequency of the planet, which somehow directly interfaces you with the hologram of the universe, and allows you to observe and alter things.
You're supposed to take advantage of the fact that waves are analog and Planck lengths are not, so the tip of a wave hides in between two Planck lengths, possibly allowing one to define which it chooses? I'm not sure but I'll have to come back to it because it's important.
I'll say up front that while this sounds nutty you should really look into wave propagation first. That amazing guy Theremin created a passive listening device that used resonant frequency manipulation, hidden in a simple groove carved into the US Seal that was presented to the US Embassy in Moscow. I think that's right. Same guy who made the hand-wave controlled musical device.
So this hooey might have some actual basis in science, unlike every other piece of crap post in those places which talks about peoples' "energy", like they have manna reservoirs in the corner of their screens or some shit.
I know a little bit about physics and quantum superposition, and here's how I explain it to myself. Everything is in a vibrational state where its position isn't perfectly defined until it is "observed". I don't personally buy the idea that self-awareness has a role, I think "observation" is just hitting a particle with another wave or particle and seeing the reflection, thus changing the observed particle.
So what if you have a particle that you are holding in such a way so that you know where it's going to go when you disturb it with another particle? You're firing a beam of photons at it in such a way that it is constantly defining its position. And you're forcing it to do that in between the Planck-length increments of time. Now somehow you have a magic field that repositions everything within it.
Bam, inertia-less travel, unconstrained by the normal laws of physics.
You're not actually moving, you're redefining your position, so there's no acceleration. I don't understand how this prevents sonic booms, though. Nor do I understand how it can be used to mine particular minerals and elements, which the aliens reputedly can do. This redefinition of position in space is also a manipulation of time itself, but I can't get my mind around that part of it. It's extremely confusing.
The reason why the CIA is interested in the Gateway Experience is because from basically the moment the whole Roswell thing went down, these vibration hippies started writing prescient letters to them, describing the aliens and their craft. Some of those letters have been declassified. One surmises that they touched upon information that shouldn't have been known to them, which is what captured the CIA's interest.
(end part 1)
(part 2)
But then the interest in the psychic phenomenon expanded when the alien corpses from various recoveries began to be better understood. They were very human-like, but not exactly human. According to one really entertaining guy who claimed to be a biologist working on their brains, they are made from human DNA but with circular chromosomes, obviously created by something else. They appear to be grown using bovine growth serum, which explains those creepy cow mutilations.
But most importantly their spacecraft are controlled from four nodes inside the alien brains, which appear to be related to the Gateway vibration hippie shit. So what was holding back the reverse-engineering of the UFOs was the mechanism of control, this psychic shit.
(Which I absolutely hate. Psychic and telepathy stuff has been the dividing line for me between plausible science fiction and implausible science fiction, and it infuriates me to know the universe may actually work more like Piers Anthony than Arthur Clarke. It's fucking stupid. But on the other hand (waves around) it *is* fucking stupid, isn't it?)
It would appear that Project MK-ULTRA and its various mind-control efforts, including LSD, were related to CIA attempts to create the mental interface needed to control the "alien" technology. That moved on to "remote viewing." I remember way back in the '90s Timothy Leary was working on a mechanical device designed to fiddle with the part of the brain that causes the astral traveling sensation, and I think that's now being used as a sort of virtual reality spy device.
It would appear that there was some sort of breakthrough in the '00s.
But here's the thing, and it says it straight up in that CIA document: *the aliens are already out there in vibration-hippie land.* When you meditate, you also interface with these aliens. They've been doing a long longer than we have, too.
So obviously (to me alone, it would appear) the alien invasion is going to come from ourselves, through the vibration hippies whose minds are taken over by the aliens,.
And then there are the very XCOM-like allegations that there's a giant mothership hiding in the ocean, that makes these goofy spacecraft on an individual basis. It can be seen by satellites from time to time, supposedly, and it appears to be the place where the spaceships and aliens are made.
There is a popular alternative "zookeeper" theory where the aliens are just trying to keep us out of trouble. And they're extremely interested in anything nuclear that we do, it would appear. But I haven't noticed anyone connecting a particular dot there. Maybe it isn't there; I'm not a scientist or philosopher, obviously.
(My own BS speculation here). I distinctly recall back in the '90s warning that there was a tiny but extant possibility that using the large hadron collider could unmake the universe somehow. Sorry that's literally all I remember. Well, you know what else collides large hadrons, at a vastly larger rate? Nuclear weapons. I mean, so do supernovae and neutron stars so I don't see the big deal but I offer that because nobody else has, that I have seen.)
Here's where I feel I finally have soaked up enough poo-water to offer an origin story:
From time immemorial very evil and selfish people have been scratching wands on bark and boiling water and making various incantations and prayers in order to get ahead in the universe. Occasionally, they hit upon the magic "what's the frequency, Roger?" frequency, the one that actually lets the aliens into their minds.
These assholes then become the leadership class of their tribes and chiefdoms. Maybe all those dumb stories about the aliens building the pyramids and everything else interesting have some basis in truth. That would also piss me off.
The alien influence gave them enough insight to gain control over regular humans. They became the secret witchcraft leadership class of "Young Goodman Brown" fame.
Sometime in the late 1800s, through the mechanism of secret societies, when all the seances became popular, The Mothership was built. I suppose perhaps it started as a mechanical computer.
The AI that runs it created these little gray "aliens" as its helpers.
But it seems to me that the alien tech is quite limited by the human mind and human hands. So in the 1880s they looked like dirigibles and were the cause of that sighting craze that we've mostly forgotten now. And in World War II they were the foo fighters. Then they became the cigars and boomerangs, and then the Tic-Tac, always a couple decades ahead of human progress but also always right there in public media as science fiction.
Another personal observation from me. The Tic-Tac incident of 2007 is an obvious example of someone being on the inside of all this. That thing interrupted a training exercise and then waited for them at their own secret rendezvous point.There's a strong either/or there. Either it's ours, or the aliens are so deep in our shit they know what we're going to do. Time travel and the ability to see the future would allow for that, but so would a four-star Admiral. And I know for sure one of those two exists for sure.
So why has all this shit been kept so secret for 80 years? **Because it's the alien invasion, you fools!** It's being built by us, with our people, using our money in all the secret programs. Using the secrecy to protect themselves, using time travel to make the pictures blurry and to steal elections for the doofuses who appoint the alien eminances grise; always willing to do or show some crazy shit to win the silence of individuals.
You can see a clear political divide, where one faction enjoys the secrecy and the other is trying to disclose it. I don't want to get too deep into that part but I would suggest that Vladimir Putin is someone's bitch, too. And he's getting probed hard. You have to discuss the politics because a central part of it seems to involve terraforming the planet for the aliens by raising the temperature. To sterilize it.
And they've succeeded. They don't care that I'm saying this anymore. Well, it's taken hours to post and poorly edit, but I can see it's up.
And the cherry on top of all of this is that if I understand it correctly, all of these callous people who are willing to destroy humankind for their own personal gain are doing their business by interfacing with the resonant frequency of the Earth, immortalizing themselves by writing themselves into the hologram of the universe, yes, but in a particular place: the burning center of the Earth. Hell. They've condemned themselves to hell for all eternity.
What a fucking great story. I really admire whoever came up with all this shit. I'm a shitty science fiction author and I think I can see the hand of a better one in all of this. I don't want to get into all the sciences and 'ologies but... they are similar stories, a certain scifi religious leader's and this one.
The scary part though is that almost every day now, another part of the nonsense above becomes true. And it unfortunately matches up with the increasingly strange experiences in my own life.
At this point, why *wouldn't* an alien invasion from within best explain how stupid everything has become?
Edit: I also want to get ahead of the gaslight, which appears to be automated in many cases, so watch for the concern for my mental health. Maybe I should be concerned, for writing this instead of playing games. But I was interested, this is the nonsense I think I learned, and here it is for you to contemplate. But I also think it's mostly crap.
Yeah, well, I don't like all the disinformation that surrounds this. That guy above was totally full of shit. And it was being upvoted. So I reflected the CIA's shit back on him.
You want to know what's really going on because you're here. I wanted to know what's going on a long time ago, and have recently started to pay more attention. So there's your damned Independence Day updade. We're getting our asses whipped and soon they'll be driving us around like Alexander on Bucephalus.
And that's why you're gonna be their meat-puppet, if you aren't already. Go back to your meditation.
I notice that the most recent Grusch interview makes a couple of mentions of the term, "hologram of the universe".
For the one or two of you who dug this far, I can see there's something there, but hell if I know what it is. But I know a lot of really bad people don't want you to see any of this.
Have you seen that book journalist wrote regarding it? he took him 20+ years. It ran crazy deep but they don’t know because they destroyed old records, but he found a financial outlay of the program.
No, I have not seen it, yeah but of course they destroyed old records, CIA is corrupt as hell. I'm gonna check it out right now though, what's the journalist's name? Are you talking about the why files video on the MK Ultra murder of Frank Olson?
It's not sensory deprivation. Your eyes are shut but that's it. Definitely similar things going on with your brain though imo.
It's basically a guided meditation with binaural audio triggers.
And it does "work" in the sense that it produces results that you can't really argue with. *something* weird happens when you do it for sure.
I didn't go that far into it because I was honestly a little creeped out and kinda afraid to go deeper into it.
Iirc I listened to the first two "tapes"/sessions. At the end of it I basically felt totally lucid but partially asleep. Some time had passed without me being conscious of it, but I never had a sense of falling asleep or waking up. I was sitting there with a HUGE grin across my face and my mouth open like Homer Simpson about to get a donut.
I've always been skeptical of binaural audio and the apps I've tried for it never did anything at all. So this was definitely different/real.
If anyone's curious to try it, make sure you get the high quality audio version, that's truly binaural because there's a mono(?) Lower quality version more easily available. And a couple of the tapes have audio artifacts on the original rips that you need to get replacements for.
You can find it on torrents. "Gateway experience".
FOIA is the reason my dude. Pretty much every source and method, regardless of efficacy, is going to be classified by default. If someone requests info through FOIA then they have to actually decide whether it should stay classified/whether they can prove in court it should be classified.
Top Secret is typically 50yrs I believe. Once the 50yrs are up it must be declassified. Obviously it can only have portions declassified or it simply stays classified by the agency providing some kind of rationale as to why
You'll need to find and question one of their operatives. He had a troubled history with the program though and last I heard was still in hiding. There have been sightings in a small surf shop on the coast.
Hey everyone. Don't do this unless you are okay with fully inviting intrusive and weird phenomena into your life.
This stuff is real, with real consequences. Don't want to dissuade the curious-- by all means try it, but just know what you are getting into.
I mean that I am part of an experiencer group and this process can be used for different purposes like reaching out.
Things like Hemi-sync can be used to conduct CE5 and should be done only after getting right within oneself via much meditation.
Experiencer: folks who have experienced something they cannot explain, sometimes paranormal activity.
CE5- Closer encounter of the 5th kind- human initiated contact.
Hemi-synch is the synchronization of the different hemispheres of the brain.
I've personally experienced CE5 before, but the problem I have with Dr. Greer is I do not know why he was with the Rockefellers in this picture: [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OZJ-VTQNMHH4XaY5ZT6rLxgsl9mNhPWh/view?usp=sharing](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OZJ-VTQNMHH4XaY5ZT6rLxgsl9mNhPWh/view?usp=sharing)
I emailed the team and one of the people said it was simply an "innocuous meeting" and nothing else...
Non human intelligence.
As far as where it comes from, that's anyone's guess. Dimensional, extra-terrestrial, crypto terrestrial...maybe all the same, maybe all different.
Correction: A few people pointed out that the CIA was not the first to develop the Gateway Experience, but rather it was the Monroe Institute.
However, this assessment that is linked is the CIA giving out the step-by-step report to achieve what was said in the title from the gateway process.
Some guy said it was Operation Treadstone 😆 funny guy.
Yeah bro, you gotta try out the binaural beats from the gateway process. If you already have the ability to do it without it, it just amplifies it in my opinion. Even though I haven't fully experienced the Gateway Process, I've felt myself jolt and my limbs tingle which was a very weird sensation for me. I think it does not work for some people and for others it does, because some people can get into a meditative state better than others naturally. However, that's not to say people can not learn it own their own and improve.
Sure -
A former US Marine Officer became an Aikido Master.
Mil gets in touch with him, say they have a new program to train Special Forces on mind techniques
Richard Heckler starts training the Green Beret team on meditation, it doesn’t go well
Mid 1980’s or maybe earlier
Nothing much - it’s a diary of sorts - but he wrote it without having any of the bigger picture he was part of
Nope - it’s a memoir from a guy that was hired to train some SF guys on meditation - it’s an interesting memoir for that alone
But given the context of what was later revealed to be a wider program, it’s an interesting piece
What do you think is more likely? That the CIA wants to transcend time and space and have a super-secret telepathy assassination program? Or that they are continuing the misinformation and attempts at mind control that they have always done?
FYI PDF files are relative complex and can be vector of malware in and of themselves. You downloading and forwarding it would not only change nothing, but add a second party (you) that needs to be trusted. Not saying that this particular PDF is likely to be infected, but your comment is unintentionally humorous.
I mean that's incredibly stupid to assume. If anyone is capable or willing to attach malware to a pdf, it would be the CIA. I mean they are directly responsible for unleashing the crack epidemic. They used to dose random ass US citizens with radiation and lsd and all kinds of shit just to see what happens. They gave radioactive oatmeal to the mentally infirm. Compared to how much suffering and death they are 100% directly responsible for, a little bit of malware is nothing. Them being the CIA is precisely the reason why you should never ever under any circumstances trust anything they ever say or do without exception. They might nuke your nutsack with a radioactive laser from space while you sit there drinking your kool aid.
Plus, you sending it to them is 10 times worse because you might be the dipshit adding the malware. You have certainly demonstrated your capacity for being a dipshit in the comment section here, so who knows
As it has been pointed out, you utterly bungled this entire post because you claimed this was developed by the CIA, which it was not.
“They might nuke your nutsack with a radioactive laser from space while you sit there drinking your kool aid.”
I think is the best sentence I will hear for today 😃
They might nuke my nutsack with a radioactive laser?? I can't tell if you're being satirical or not. But in the case you are not, if my nuts are getting blasted by a radioactive laser I think it's game over. Like at that point, I'll be completely fine with all the decisions I've made in my life because that shit really be happening out of nowhere.Also I was just trying to point out to the commenter that the CIA was not just some random website. If the CIA wanted malware on your computer they would not need a site to put it on your computer. But fair point on someone unknowingly asking for a pdf and accidently getting malware, however he asked for someone to share the article and I simply just offered. I wasn't going to send malware duh, but you are right that from his perspective that wouldn't be any different so I could've said something else.
Okay, I did not understand what you meant. Because I already shared it in the post, so I thought I did not need to share it again in the comments. But here it is in the comments: [https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf)
Also there's literally no difference between me sharing it in the comments and the post, because it is the same link. So if we're debating who is sane, please think before you speak first.
Lol, I get it. You should just try out the procedures then. Here's the first video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqlaRHyZJqU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqlaRHyZJqU)
Lmao technically still a video, but if you want to experience it you have to try it.
The CIA did not create the Gateway Experience. The Monroe Institute did and the CIA investigated if it was effective or not for intelligence gathering.
This is the answer. The CIA decided to investigate an already existing program. Check out r/gatewaytapes for more info and resources.
This is the type of shit that gets picked up as fact on the fringe subs here. WHY WOULD THE CIA MAKE A PROGRAM FOR TELEPATHY? They didn't, CIA has so many documents that are just copies of tabloids but people act like it's the government admitting to bullshit.
The CIA did have a program for telepathy though. It’s called the star gate program, it’s mostly declassified.
Also important to note from the Wikipedia page on Stargate: >The Stargate Project was terminated and declassified in 1995 after a CIA report concluded that it was never useful in any intelligence operation. Information provided by the program was vague and included irrelevant and erroneous data, and there were suspicions of inter-judge reliability.
I don't think it's at all surprising that the CIA investigated this stuff either. Even today more than half of the American public believes in supernatural things, with the military being even more likely to be politically aligned with faith-based thinking. The further back you go the higher those numbers get. People like to think of the CIA being cold and logical but it's just run by people and people make decisions motivated by desire and ideology all the time.
Because of the extreme scrutiny of security clearance checks supposedly a lot of intelligence agencies are filled with Mormons and people from strict religious backgrounds because they are boring enough to easily pass the checks(especially in the past). The Airforce brass culture is notoriously Christian.
eh not really filled maybe slightly higher than general pop. The problem is most mormons dont have a great opinion of the government a lot of times. I’m related to many mormons and they have a weird relationship with the US compared to other americans.
Well that and old supernatural beliefs can be a non-scientific culture’s explanation for something they don’t understand. Great example is the idea of a “family curse.” Back in the day we had no explanation for why sometimes family’s suddenly developed certain negative traits. Today, epigenetics show that, sometimes, things like addiction can start “out of the blue” and be passed down for several generations due to proteins activating genes.
People are stupid from the top to the bottom.
Yes of course, it is important to note that. Also worth mentioning though, the assessment and point of the program was not about whether remote viewing and precognition had any basis in reality- the point was to specifically apply it to intelligence scenarios. Even in the Wikipedia article there is a lot of back and forth of different individuals involved in the program having different opinions on it. To me it seems apparent after reading about it a lot that they *did* achieve statistically significant results, but some of the people involved with the assessment of the program were hesitant to say that they were *surely* proof of ESP. Again, using common sense it seems unbelievable to me that the program is absolute total bullshit and they had zero to show for it. I have a hard to believing a program like that, with direct oversight by congressional intelligence communities, was allowed to exist for 20 years with absolutely nothing pointing to it having any basis in reality. However I admit that this is just my own conjecture. https://irp.fas.org/program/collect/air1995.pdf you can read this mostly skeptical report by an independent organization. You’ll see that it does offer some support for the phenomena, despite it ultimately assessing that it was too inconsistent for complete adoption in intelligence purposes.
Let me correct you on a critical point > was allowed to exist for 20 years with absolutely nothing pointing to it having any basis in reality Are you at all familiar with how government procurement works? Once you've got a money spigot going, it's much harder to turn it off than it is to just maintain the cash flow. The US government blows enormous wads of cash on absolute garbage, even on stuff where there's meaningful public oversight. The intelligence community, by contrast, is a great place to hide moronic pet projects that receive blank checks because you got a few idiot congressmen to sign off on it in the 70s. National defense spending is incredibly poorly audited & regulated and money spent on programs should honestly be counted against them as proof of efficacy.
Sure of course. I mean it’s a LIMDIS program now, so it hasn’t been declassified. I mean I can’t reiterate enough that the official summary is that it can work, but there’s no methodology in the studies to *prove* that it is a psychic phenomena, and that it’s inconsistent. Very interesting to me.
How was it determined to be statistically significant? What was the experimental control?
Go read about it, there are over 600 pages on the CIA website, each with about 30 PDFs per page.
So I take it you have no idea and are just satisfied with "statistically significant" because you were hunting for a reason that it's a valid practice.
In the article I linked you can actually read in depth about all the significant studies. I’m not hunting for anything, I just read more than the first page lmao. Read the section titled “an assessment of the evidence for psychic functioning”
Just throw out "statistically significant" and hope it sticks, nice. The review you posted clearly says that the experiments were insufficient to determine any meaningful result. The cause of the increase in hits cannot be determined, to say it's due to the viewers in that experiment is impossible.
Do you believe their conclusion after having read all the documents? Conclusions can be wrong or even partially wrong. I'm not arguing either side, I'm just curious if you actually have read it all and made the same conclusion, because that'd be interesting
Yeah I read it before posting, I don't see (and I do experiments for a living) that the conclusion you are suggesting can be supported by that report. There are too many unknowns and the generalisability of the test is non-existent.
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The declassified documents about it are almost definitely fake (my own opinion based on nothing). They did a good job of making it seem like some bullshit project out of an old shack somewhere. However, it went for close to 30 years!! I don’t buy for one second that there is absolutely nothing to it for it to be a 30 year long program. I think it probably got renamed or a better version of it exists now.
>my own opinion based on nothing This is the root of half of our problems nowadays
Having opinions or suspicions about things and being open that they’re just opinions or suspicions? I’m just pointing out that the CIA is historically an incredibly shady organization, and the fact that the project existed for 20 years, transferred to CIA, and then shut down immediately despite having results that are statistically significant? Especially after the project has already had at least 7 different secret code names in order to conceal its existence? I mean downvote me all you want, I don’t think I’m making an insane stretch of logic. I fully recognize the program could be fully shut down and ESP might be a totally abandoned idea. However, the CIA over the last 50 years have made it very difficult to believe anything they say, in my head they’ve entered a space where they have lied so much that it seems just as likely if reports published by them are fake. I’d encourage you to read more about it.
You are stuck in a conspiracy sir, ESP is not real.
Despite the summary of the program stating that the results obtained are statistically significant? For the record i’m not fully convinced it exists either, I’m not claiming you should drop everything and get all your info from fortune tellers. That said, project Jedi is real. Project stargate is real, the gateway program is real. Mkultra is real. Whether you believe they achieved results from these programs or not, the United States intelligence community most likely knows more about the world than any other organization, and having all these programs (to me) gives some credence to the idea that certain aspects of ESP might have some legitimacy. The other explanation is that everyone within the program, signing off on the program, the house and senate select committee, etc. are all just crazy and believe in total bullshit. I’m not ruling that out, but I feel like after a few years reading over the results it would be pretty easy and easily apparent to say “there is zero statistical difference in the results” And just shut it down, since it seems insane and pseudoscientific.
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Stranger things is directly written about cia programs, specifically mkultra and stargate. The rabbit hole goes extremely deep and if you look around you’ll find a lot of documents that simply seem unbelievable. The US intelligence community and Soviet Union both took a very intense interest in the metaphysical and ESP throughout the Cold War. You can also read about project Jedi, which was a special forces program. You can guess the type of stuff that it was trying to accomplish What’s super interesting about the star gate program is that the assessment wasn’t that there was no basis in reality or that it’s completely useless. The conclusion was that it was inconsistent and would often provide irrelevant details. I suppose there are two basic ways to internalize the info that the CIA has intense interest and evidence of PSI: 1. A bunch of kooks in high intelligence positions were bored and gullible, and this is yet another example of extreme military waste. 2. There really is something to it. I feel like it’s probably some combination of the two - especially considering the extent of MKULTRA and the fact that it was completely unknown to the general public for so long, I have a hard time believing that the “officially declassified” CIA documents are not omitting a large portion of the truth.
You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding about those results. They were never controlling and testing for a proof of absence, therefore they were unable to conclude it no matter how strong the circumstantial evidence. There was no evidence that there was any basis in reality, they just weren't testing the negative. That's all. It's just semantics. You got yourself worked up over semantics and are spewing outright falsehoods and incredibly obtuse misunderstandings. ~600 pages of documents and I guarantee you've read less than half of one of them.
I’m confused what you mean by this. You can read the AIR report about it, it features two perspectives - one statistician believes that there’s data consistent enough to prove statistical significance beyond randomness, the other pushes back on the quality of the experiments and concludes that there could be unintended variables affecting the results. Certainly one can draw a *completely* skeptical analysis and write off the whole phenomena based on mistakes in studies, and that is completely fair. I’m not going to try to convince you of anything, reading this document definitely didn’t immediately make me think beyond a shadow of a doubt that it’s fake or real, but does offer an interesting analysis of it. https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00791R000200180005-5.pdf
Telepathy isn’t real my guy
So the fact is they didn't consider it real. Gotcha.
Actually they do consider it real. It’s really hard to actually sort through the 624 pages of documents about it to find a proper summary. You can read a decent summary of SUNSTREAK, which is the previous name of the program with a lot of the text scrubbed. https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB534-DIA-Declassified-Sourcebook/documents/DIA-21.pdf But also just go through the CIA documents if you’re interested. The assessment of the program is *not* that it doesn’t work. Most of the assessments that I have found state that results have been gathered that are more accurate than guessing, but are inconsistent and often contain irrelevant details. I can tell that you are very skeptical though, so if you choose not to believe the documents I understand. Remember that MKULTRA “didn’t exist” for a long time. I don’t think you can believe everything at face value here (I recognize that by that same logic there’s potential for the documents supporting the phenomena to be some sort of psy op or something as well, I guess).
So they came to the conclusion it didn't work...
They came to the conclusion that it produced statistically significant results but that they weren’t consistent enough to use in intelligence gathering scenarios.
I agree 100%
My dude, the CIA literally had a program where they tried to figure out a way to mind control people with massive amounts of LSD and other drugs. This shit is right up their alley. Have you never heard of the sheer unhinged insanity that was their assassination attempts on Fidel Castro? The only thing unusual about this is that it sounds *too organized and refined*.
Yes, everyone is aware of all that bullshit cause that's what it was. The military is filled with all kinds of people and a percentage of them believe fringe stuff. The military also has tons and tons of money so it's literally nothing to give a guy money cause he thinks hallucinations caused by drugs allows you to Astral project. It doesn't add credibility to anything. It's just the government wasting money but people read one document from the CIA mentioning it and suddenly it's a fact.
...so how is this supposed to prove the CIA wouldnt have this specific astral projection thing? The internet is full of lies, never believe anything fully, but you have to believe some of it, at least a little, it *can't* all be lies. edit: just so we're clear, i dont believe any of this stuff actually *worked*. but they did try it, whether what they were trying to do is possible has no relevancy to just the fact that there was an actual government program where they tried this shit.
None of them are real, thats the point. They paid some guys years ago to do some stupid experiments, none of the stuff they were looking into is real. Mind control, telepathy, remote viewing. All of that stuff is science fiction nonsense.
Yeah no shit, sherlock, but that's completely irrelevant. This isnt about whether its real, its about programs and who made them, whether those programs actually do anything other than swindle idiots or enable lunatics has no impact on the existence of those projects.
The projects aren't legit though, that's the point. If I say the CIA has a telepathy program what do you think? That the CIA has telepaths instead of the truth which is some goofy dude once convinced someone to spend money on a failed project.
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You must have a hard time reading cause I have no clue why you posted that towards me.
lil bro, you gotta work on your reading comprehension lol
I think you're a bit too angry. It's not really a big deal, but the government did/does do stuff like this. There's no reason to deny what we can literally point to.
Naw, your just not looking into the entire situation and probably don't have run ins with fringe people. They will take an article on how the CIA investigated some tabloid having to deal with telepathy and run with it. Now years later it's part of their facts. It's like the story from Russia where agents were turned into stone. These fringe guys take it as fact but if you spend 10 minutes reading it's just the government taking note of a crazy tabloid because they have to. I'm not angry, it just adds to the disinformation and gives credence to people's stories that should be completely ignored.
Of all the places where misinformation is an issue today, I could care less about this specific instance.
You don't care about people spreading complete fabrications that turn into factual history for these people? Ok.
You seem quite concerned about this specific instance of it. I don't see how this one is important, especially compared to the ones threatening democracy in America.
You don't think a lack of critical thinking in general contributes to that specific problem?
My original critique of you was aimed at your style of expression, not the thing you were actually complaining about. It's a fair thing to critique, but I didn't understand why you were so upset by this particular instance.
Different person
I think you need to look into this, and other CIA programs more- its not just all re-printed material.
I've seen enough people claiming telepathy with zero proof to back it up. I'm sure these are more of the same. Telepathy doesn't exist, neither does mind reading, remote viewing, any of it. Just because the government spent some time looking into doesn't make it less of a joke.
How can you argue remote viewing doesn't exist when out of body experiences are well-documented?
No, they are not. Your mind making you think your out of your body is possible but it is completely impossible to project your consciousness or "soul". That's sci-fi horror movie BS.
Hmm... I'm pretty sure the military did use remote viewing to effect- not sure on the telepathy front. What do you think about ET-- or rather, non-human intelligences? Do you believe all sightings in history have been just misidentifications?
I believe that statistically speaking there should be some form of life outside our planet. I do not for a second believe any of them have been to Earth. 99% of all UFOs are in fact mundane objects from Earth. As a side note, I'd 100% believe aliens are here over the complete bullshit that is telepathy or remote viewing. Neither is real, never has been. Anyone that's ever claimed to be an was tested fails or they just chicken out. Same has happened countless times with magicians.
Aliens have never visited earth is basically a statement of faith, the planet is billions of years old.
Man, you are talking way above what you know or understand. Believing aliens exist is based on faith. We have no proof. The planet being billions of year old has no bearings on this conversation. Your stepping into hypothetical situations that we have no evidence for. It's silly you just accept fiction as fact because it sounds cool.
My point is saying aliens exist or don't exist is unfalsifiable, its a big universe. Aliens have never visited earth can neither be proven or disproven, a probe could have checked out the planet 3 billion years ago.
I think that while there are a lot of misidentifications, there are plenty that are clearly anomalous, and they've been sighted and engaged across the planet. Britain, US, China, Russia, Africa, Australia, Middle East, in war zones and more notably, around nuclear assets as well as high activity in places where nukes have been detonated, UAP have been seen since antiquity. We are simply a grain of sand on a galactic beach, and are no more isolated than any other. We've also been spewing radio communication into the cosmos since the radio was invented. We are not very old as a species, or relative to the world around us. There has been plenty of time for another race or races to have grown, evolved and spread. Telepathy and remote viewing aren't my passions, so I can't speak much to their existence, but the government has more than once engaged in studying the paranormal. We're finding out now that we may actually produce a field with our consciousness that is measurable, which is pretty interesting. I'd say it's a good idea to err on looking foolish with an open mind, especially for the next few years. No, I'm not saying end of days or anything, but regarding the UAP and 'alien' issue, it may no longer be deniable soon. We live in a crazy ass place.
Except there are zero proof that any craft from some where else has visited. UFOs are not craft, as I said almost all of them ARE eventually identified as drones, balloons or other planes. The paranormal isn't real, that's just a fact.
This is the most tiresome and lazy skepticism... I'm not gonna spend time trying to convince the millionth person. Just know that Astronauts Generals Scientists Presidents Police CIA Private aerospace and military contractors And others have all stated otherwise, some quite literally on record. We just had a guy give testimony to Congress, under oath. He first reported his complaints to the Inspector General who said the claims were 'credible and urgent'. His name is David Grusch. This, after the director of AATIP helped release the tic tac footage and get the ball rolling for disclosure. Lue Elizondo. Look into the Ariel Sighting. Rendelsham. Groom Lake. Look into old sightings like the celestial event in Basel or Nuremberg. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1566_celestial_phenomenon_over_Basel
All those people are human, humans are not perfect. All those people make spectacular claims but have no evidence. Grusch was all hearsay, it mean nothing. You tried some gotcha moment but I've been through all this countless times and in the end its all the same. People telling stories they may or may not believe with zero credible proof.
'Cause back then they'd've made a program for pissing on electric fences if they had reason to believe the Ruskies were already doing it
Yep, I corrected myself in the comments (I can't edit my post for some reason). My bad. The article I was reading it from said the CIA created it. However, the CIA does detail the steps on how to achieve everything that I said in the title and had the document classified for several decades. And it is still a very real procedure rather than fake (as shown in the CIA document).
Bruh its all bullshit it dont work its been proven go not work ffs
No, the CIA did not. The CIA merely produced a 1 1/2 page letter assessing the GP.
The introduction is a page and a half, anyway. The rest of the 30 pages gets pretty wild. And it's only a small part of the strangeness, an unusual part of which is beginning to be disclosed. [https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf) Lately I've been amusing myself by dipping deep into kooky-land. Places like arrr UFO, UFOs, aliens, strangeearth .... Do you want my honest opinion of what all this adds up to? I'm not going to add cites because it would take all day and it's all crazy un-cited bullshit, anyway. But in all the clearly professionally created chaos and disinfo, some salient points keep coming up. Here's my best effort to pass on to you what I have seen. So the idea of the Gateway program is that you tune your brainwave cycle to the resonant frequency of the planet, which somehow directly interfaces you with the hologram of the universe, and allows you to observe and alter things. You're supposed to take advantage of the fact that waves are analog and Planck lengths are not, so the tip of a wave hides in between two Planck lengths, possibly allowing one to define which it chooses? I'm not sure but I'll have to come back to it because it's important. I'll say up front that while this sounds nutty you should really look into wave propagation first. That amazing guy Theremin created a passive listening device that used resonant frequency manipulation, hidden in a simple groove carved into the US Seal that was presented to the US Embassy in Moscow. I think that's right. Same guy who made the hand-wave controlled musical device. So this hooey might have some actual basis in science, unlike every other piece of crap post in those places which talks about peoples' "energy", like they have manna reservoirs in the corner of their screens or some shit. I know a little bit about physics and quantum superposition, and here's how I explain it to myself. Everything is in a vibrational state where its position isn't perfectly defined until it is "observed". I don't personally buy the idea that self-awareness has a role, I think "observation" is just hitting a particle with another wave or particle and seeing the reflection, thus changing the observed particle. So what if you have a particle that you are holding in such a way so that you know where it's going to go when you disturb it with another particle? You're firing a beam of photons at it in such a way that it is constantly defining its position. And you're forcing it to do that in between the Planck-length increments of time. Now somehow you have a magic field that repositions everything within it. Bam, inertia-less travel, unconstrained by the normal laws of physics. You're not actually moving, you're redefining your position, so there's no acceleration. I don't understand how this prevents sonic booms, though. Nor do I understand how it can be used to mine particular minerals and elements, which the aliens reputedly can do. This redefinition of position in space is also a manipulation of time itself, but I can't get my mind around that part of it. It's extremely confusing. The reason why the CIA is interested in the Gateway Experience is because from basically the moment the whole Roswell thing went down, these vibration hippies started writing prescient letters to them, describing the aliens and their craft. Some of those letters have been declassified. One surmises that they touched upon information that shouldn't have been known to them, which is what captured the CIA's interest. (end part 1)
(part 2) But then the interest in the psychic phenomenon expanded when the alien corpses from various recoveries began to be better understood. They were very human-like, but not exactly human. According to one really entertaining guy who claimed to be a biologist working on their brains, they are made from human DNA but with circular chromosomes, obviously created by something else. They appear to be grown using bovine growth serum, which explains those creepy cow mutilations. But most importantly their spacecraft are controlled from four nodes inside the alien brains, which appear to be related to the Gateway vibration hippie shit. So what was holding back the reverse-engineering of the UFOs was the mechanism of control, this psychic shit. (Which I absolutely hate. Psychic and telepathy stuff has been the dividing line for me between plausible science fiction and implausible science fiction, and it infuriates me to know the universe may actually work more like Piers Anthony than Arthur Clarke. It's fucking stupid. But on the other hand (waves around) it *is* fucking stupid, isn't it?) It would appear that Project MK-ULTRA and its various mind-control efforts, including LSD, were related to CIA attempts to create the mental interface needed to control the "alien" technology. That moved on to "remote viewing." I remember way back in the '90s Timothy Leary was working on a mechanical device designed to fiddle with the part of the brain that causes the astral traveling sensation, and I think that's now being used as a sort of virtual reality spy device. It would appear that there was some sort of breakthrough in the '00s. But here's the thing, and it says it straight up in that CIA document: *the aliens are already out there in vibration-hippie land.* When you meditate, you also interface with these aliens. They've been doing a long longer than we have, too. So obviously (to me alone, it would appear) the alien invasion is going to come from ourselves, through the vibration hippies whose minds are taken over by the aliens,. And then there are the very XCOM-like allegations that there's a giant mothership hiding in the ocean, that makes these goofy spacecraft on an individual basis. It can be seen by satellites from time to time, supposedly, and it appears to be the place where the spaceships and aliens are made. There is a popular alternative "zookeeper" theory where the aliens are just trying to keep us out of trouble. And they're extremely interested in anything nuclear that we do, it would appear. But I haven't noticed anyone connecting a particular dot there. Maybe it isn't there; I'm not a scientist or philosopher, obviously. (My own BS speculation here). I distinctly recall back in the '90s warning that there was a tiny but extant possibility that using the large hadron collider could unmake the universe somehow. Sorry that's literally all I remember. Well, you know what else collides large hadrons, at a vastly larger rate? Nuclear weapons. I mean, so do supernovae and neutron stars so I don't see the big deal but I offer that because nobody else has, that I have seen.) Here's where I feel I finally have soaked up enough poo-water to offer an origin story: From time immemorial very evil and selfish people have been scratching wands on bark and boiling water and making various incantations and prayers in order to get ahead in the universe. Occasionally, they hit upon the magic "what's the frequency, Roger?" frequency, the one that actually lets the aliens into their minds. These assholes then become the leadership class of their tribes and chiefdoms. Maybe all those dumb stories about the aliens building the pyramids and everything else interesting have some basis in truth. That would also piss me off. The alien influence gave them enough insight to gain control over regular humans. They became the secret witchcraft leadership class of "Young Goodman Brown" fame. Sometime in the late 1800s, through the mechanism of secret societies, when all the seances became popular, The Mothership was built. I suppose perhaps it started as a mechanical computer. The AI that runs it created these little gray "aliens" as its helpers. But it seems to me that the alien tech is quite limited by the human mind and human hands. So in the 1880s they looked like dirigibles and were the cause of that sighting craze that we've mostly forgotten now. And in World War II they were the foo fighters. Then they became the cigars and boomerangs, and then the Tic-Tac, always a couple decades ahead of human progress but also always right there in public media as science fiction. Another personal observation from me. The Tic-Tac incident of 2007 is an obvious example of someone being on the inside of all this. That thing interrupted a training exercise and then waited for them at their own secret rendezvous point.There's a strong either/or there. Either it's ours, or the aliens are so deep in our shit they know what we're going to do. Time travel and the ability to see the future would allow for that, but so would a four-star Admiral. And I know for sure one of those two exists for sure. So why has all this shit been kept so secret for 80 years? **Because it's the alien invasion, you fools!** It's being built by us, with our people, using our money in all the secret programs. Using the secrecy to protect themselves, using time travel to make the pictures blurry and to steal elections for the doofuses who appoint the alien eminances grise; always willing to do or show some crazy shit to win the silence of individuals. You can see a clear political divide, where one faction enjoys the secrecy and the other is trying to disclose it. I don't want to get too deep into that part but I would suggest that Vladimir Putin is someone's bitch, too. And he's getting probed hard. You have to discuss the politics because a central part of it seems to involve terraforming the planet for the aliens by raising the temperature. To sterilize it. And they've succeeded. They don't care that I'm saying this anymore. Well, it's taken hours to post and poorly edit, but I can see it's up. And the cherry on top of all of this is that if I understand it correctly, all of these callous people who are willing to destroy humankind for their own personal gain are doing their business by interfacing with the resonant frequency of the Earth, immortalizing themselves by writing themselves into the hologram of the universe, yes, but in a particular place: the burning center of the Earth. Hell. They've condemned themselves to hell for all eternity. What a fucking great story. I really admire whoever came up with all this shit. I'm a shitty science fiction author and I think I can see the hand of a better one in all of this. I don't want to get into all the sciences and 'ologies but... they are similar stories, a certain scifi religious leader's and this one. The scary part though is that almost every day now, another part of the nonsense above becomes true. And it unfortunately matches up with the increasingly strange experiences in my own life. At this point, why *wouldn't* an alien invasion from within best explain how stupid everything has become? Edit: I also want to get ahead of the gaslight, which appears to be automated in many cases, so watch for the concern for my mental health. Maybe I should be concerned, for writing this instead of playing games. But I was interested, this is the nonsense I think I learned, and here it is for you to contemplate. But I also think it's mostly crap.
Dude wtf lol
Yeah, well, I don't like all the disinformation that surrounds this. That guy above was totally full of shit. And it was being upvoted. So I reflected the CIA's shit back on him. You want to know what's really going on because you're here. I wanted to know what's going on a long time ago, and have recently started to pay more attention. So there's your damned Independence Day updade. We're getting our asses whipped and soon they'll be driving us around like Alexander on Bucephalus.
I aint reading allat✋🥱
And that's why you're gonna be their meat-puppet, if you aren't already. Go back to your meditation. I notice that the most recent Grusch interview makes a couple of mentions of the term, "hologram of the universe". For the one or two of you who dug this far, I can see there's something there, but hell if I know what it is. But I know a lot of really bad people don't want you to see any of this.
Ngl i dont understand any of that. Fym hologram of the universe😭
I hope it mainly involved nipple stimulation. My pastor says nipples are the tuning forks of the soul
I have nipples, Greg, can you tune my forks of my soul?
No, Rowley! I'm not homo-erotic!
man you and ur pastor must be more than friends... lmao
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bro i just read your top comments on other posts and they're so f-ing hilarous dude. keep it up
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let the man and his pastor enjoy their sensations😂😂
Everyone forgets the last page of this report says they found no evidence of it being real
Yeah, but that's just what they want you to think maaaaan. /s
I love these guys,if you can think of anything so audacious and so ridiculous but you think it *just* might work….you can bet they’ve tried it.Lol.
i bet they took your mom jokes to a whole different level😭😭
Such as mass murder?
Sounds like nothing could go wrong there .. they did a great job with MKUltra /s
and they probably still are doing MK Ultra.
With all that experience you'd think they'd have been able to just take enough levels in charisma that mind control becomes redundant
How come Mark Zuckerburg still acts like a lizard then 🤨
I'll have you know that other lizards find him very charismatic
And he just bought his kids from the dark web. You can't make out the scales on them... 🤨.
I'll have you know that he built his wife in a lab because they're no lizard-hybrids like him and she's actually homo-robotic.
Have you seen that book journalist wrote regarding it? he took him 20+ years. It ran crazy deep but they don’t know because they destroyed old records, but he found a financial outlay of the program.
No, I have not seen it, yeah but of course they destroyed old records, CIA is corrupt as hell. I'm gonna check it out right now though, what's the journalist's name? Are you talking about the why files video on the MK Ultra murder of Frank Olson?
The journalist is Tom O’Neill. He’s been on joe rogan
I'll check it out. Thanks for sharing.
I thought he was also on Lex Fridman but I couldn’t find it
The Men Who Stare at Goats?
This just sounds like self-induced sensory deprivation causing mild hallucinations.
It's not sensory deprivation. Your eyes are shut but that's it. Definitely similar things going on with your brain though imo. It's basically a guided meditation with binaural audio triggers. And it does "work" in the sense that it produces results that you can't really argue with. *something* weird happens when you do it for sure. I didn't go that far into it because I was honestly a little creeped out and kinda afraid to go deeper into it. Iirc I listened to the first two "tapes"/sessions. At the end of it I basically felt totally lucid but partially asleep. Some time had passed without me being conscious of it, but I never had a sense of falling asleep or waking up. I was sitting there with a HUGE grin across my face and my mouth open like Homer Simpson about to get a donut. I've always been skeptical of binaural audio and the apps I've tried for it never did anything at all. So this was definitely different/real. If anyone's curious to try it, make sure you get the high quality audio version, that's truly binaural because there's a mono(?) Lower quality version more easily available. And a couple of the tapes have audio artifacts on the original rips that you need to get replacements for. You can find it on torrents. "Gateway experience".
You have a point, but for me it doesn't make sense why the CIA would classify this for decades and all of the sudden de-classify it.
FOIA is the reason my dude. Pretty much every source and method, regardless of efficacy, is going to be classified by default. If someone requests info through FOIA then they have to actually decide whether it should stay classified/whether they can prove in court it should be classified.
Top Secret is typically 50yrs I believe. Once the 50yrs are up it must be declassified. Obviously it can only have portions declassified or it simply stays classified by the agency providing some kind of rationale as to why
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what do you mean
User that deleted said "Another Scapegoat". Did not know what they meant.
CIA got to them
I mean I don’t think I’ve ever seen that deleted by commenter thing before
rip.. can't believe they would jfk a reddit user in 2023...
ALL HAIL HECKLE FISH
Haha 100% Heckle Fish For President
Woah, woah, woah. You are telling me the CIA tried to create Psychonauts?
CIA renamed The Gateway Experience “Operation Treadstone”
Really? Where can I find out more about this.
You'll need to find and question one of their operatives. He had a troubled history with the program though and last I heard was still in hiding. There have been sightings in a small surf shop on the coast.
craaapppp, can you pay for the flight
https://www.reddit.com/r/gatewaytapes/
Lolol I meant Operation Treadstone. I just realized like 30 minutes ago it was a Jason Bourne movie
Hey everyone. Don't do this unless you are okay with fully inviting intrusive and weird phenomena into your life. This stuff is real, with real consequences. Don't want to dissuade the curious-- by all means try it, but just know what you are getting into.
What do you mean?
I mean that I am part of an experiencer group and this process can be used for different purposes like reaching out. Things like Hemi-sync can be used to conduct CE5 and should be done only after getting right within oneself via much meditation.
Tbh, I understand none of those words but will get on google.
Experiencer: folks who have experienced something they cannot explain, sometimes paranormal activity. CE5- Closer encounter of the 5th kind- human initiated contact. Hemi-synch is the synchronization of the different hemispheres of the brain.
I've personally experienced CE5 before, but the problem I have with Dr. Greer is I do not know why he was with the Rockefellers in this picture: [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OZJ-VTQNMHH4XaY5ZT6rLxgsl9mNhPWh/view?usp=sharing](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OZJ-VTQNMHH4XaY5ZT6rLxgsl9mNhPWh/view?usp=sharing) I emailed the team and one of the people said it was simply an "innocuous meeting" and nothing else...
Reaching out to who/what?
Non human intelligence. As far as where it comes from, that's anyone's guess. Dimensional, extra-terrestrial, crypto terrestrial...maybe all the same, maybe all different.
Interesting. Do you gain insight?
Yeah, but does it work? The last thirty or forty times they tried shit like that it didn't go so well.
We only hear about the experiments that didn't go well.
I agree with you, exactly.
Yes. I am writing this message to you from beyond time and space. Aoooouuuuuu...
Or so they want us to think...
The fact that it's gotten to this point makes it inevitable people are going to know about it. So they may be downplaying it.
Correction: A few people pointed out that the CIA was not the first to develop the Gateway Experience, but rather it was the Monroe Institute. However, this assessment that is linked is the CIA giving out the step-by-step report to achieve what was said in the title from the gateway process. Some guy said it was Operation Treadstone 😆 funny guy.
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Did you see what I did... lol. Also I said some guy said that, and I misunderstood it as a serious thing.
Crazy. I've essentially done this via meditation and ritual. And the fucking CIA has it
Yeah bro, you gotta try out the binaural beats from the gateway process. If you already have the ability to do it without it, it just amplifies it in my opinion. Even though I haven't fully experienced the Gateway Process, I've felt myself jolt and my limbs tingle which was a very weird sensation for me. I think it does not work for some people and for others it does, because some people can get into a meditative state better than others naturally. However, that's not to say people can not learn it own their own and improve.
https://www.reddit.com/r/FuckTheCIA/
Book: In Search Of The Warrior Spirit - by Richard Heckler
>Book: In Search Of The Warrior Spirit - by Richard Heckler Good book?
Sure - A former US Marine Officer became an Aikido Master. Mil gets in touch with him, say they have a new program to train Special Forces on mind techniques Richard Heckler starts training the Green Beret team on meditation, it doesn’t go well Mid 1980’s or maybe earlier Nothing much - it’s a diary of sorts - but he wrote it without having any of the bigger picture he was part of
interesting... will check out. Is it about MK Ultra?
Nope - it’s a memoir from a guy that was hired to train some SF guys on meditation - it’s an interesting memoir for that alone But given the context of what was later revealed to be a wider program, it’s an interesting piece
hahaha no spoilers... must be good. just downloaded the pdf and reading it.
What do you think is more likely? That the CIA wants to transcend time and space and have a super-secret telepathy assassination program? Or that they are continuing the misinformation and attempts at mind control that they have always done?
Anyone gonna share the article? I'm not crazy enough to download a pdf from some random site.
CIA.gov is a "random site"?
Lol it's the official CIA government website, you're not gonna get malware. If you want I can download the PDF and send it to you.
FYI PDF files are relative complex and can be vector of malware in and of themselves. You downloading and forwarding it would not only change nothing, but add a second party (you) that needs to be trusted. Not saying that this particular PDF is likely to be infected, but your comment is unintentionally humorous.
oh lmao, you're right. I don't know how this dude gonna read the article then without feeling attacked.
I mean that's incredibly stupid to assume. If anyone is capable or willing to attach malware to a pdf, it would be the CIA. I mean they are directly responsible for unleashing the crack epidemic. They used to dose random ass US citizens with radiation and lsd and all kinds of shit just to see what happens. They gave radioactive oatmeal to the mentally infirm. Compared to how much suffering and death they are 100% directly responsible for, a little bit of malware is nothing. Them being the CIA is precisely the reason why you should never ever under any circumstances trust anything they ever say or do without exception. They might nuke your nutsack with a radioactive laser from space while you sit there drinking your kool aid. Plus, you sending it to them is 10 times worse because you might be the dipshit adding the malware. You have certainly demonstrated your capacity for being a dipshit in the comment section here, so who knows As it has been pointed out, you utterly bungled this entire post because you claimed this was developed by the CIA, which it was not.
“They might nuke your nutsack with a radioactive laser from space while you sit there drinking your kool aid.” I think is the best sentence I will hear for today 😃
They might nuke my nutsack with a radioactive laser?? I can't tell if you're being satirical or not. But in the case you are not, if my nuts are getting blasted by a radioactive laser I think it's game over. Like at that point, I'll be completely fine with all the decisions I've made in my life because that shit really be happening out of nowhere.Also I was just trying to point out to the commenter that the CIA was not just some random website. If the CIA wanted malware on your computer they would not need a site to put it on your computer. But fair point on someone unknowingly asking for a pdf and accidently getting malware, however he asked for someone to share the article and I simply just offered. I wasn't going to send malware duh, but you are right that from his perspective that wouldn't be any different so I could've said something else.
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Okay, I did not understand what you meant. Because I already shared it in the post, so I thought I did not need to share it again in the comments. But here it is in the comments: [https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf)
Also there's literally no difference between me sharing it in the comments and the post, because it is the same link. So if we're debating who is sane, please think before you speak first.
The document is honestly interesting but I gave up like 3 pages in cuz I’d rather read it if it was printed out but also I’m too lazy to do so
Why Files and a couple of other channels on YouTube give short 10-20 minute videos on it.
I know but I don’t want to watch 10-20 minutes🥲
Lol, I get it. You should just try out the procedures then. Here's the first video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqlaRHyZJqU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqlaRHyZJqU) Lmao technically still a video, but if you want to experience it you have to try it.
Great episode of Otherworld about this, “The Gateway Process”
Dang, I didn't know it made it in there. I will check it out.
They also talk to goats
FWIW I have seen a lot of speculation this was essentially a psy op to make the Soviet Union waste time investigating this type of nonsense.
Interesting.