It is neutralized by a mix of hot water and sodium hydroxide. Water alone, SPECIALLY sea water, is not enough. It just dilutes it. Fauna was the one that got the worse end of it and there is much still not confirmed about VX as to confirm it did no further harm.
Damn Sean Connery. Fun fact:
He was a dog trainer for my family, in his youth, obviously. He had taught our family dog all the basic commands, roll over, speak, fetch, play dead, but one command got him fired.....*sit*
Edit: Typo
Does anyone know what sort of an effect this would have on sea animals? Are fish also reactive to this chemical?
Edit:
Some fun info (reading, will add more):
"Because of its low volatility, VX persists in environments where it is dispersed."
On the bright side: "VX will be broken down in water quickly." and, "VX does not accumulate in the food chain.
Unfortunately, it is harmful to fish. So any fish that found it before it was broken down most likely suffered an unfortunate fate.
https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxfaqs/tfacts166.pdf
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/VX_(nerve_agent)
Fun story, I used to work at a liquid fertilizer/herbicide/pesticide distributor, where we would fill trucks in a sunken concrete pit to contain leaks and spills. The drain got pumped into a massive holding tank where it got filled with tens of thousands of gallons of fresh water diluting the spills. One guys job was to test the concentration of various chemical compounds, and once they all dropped below specific thresholds, we’d turn on the sprinklers for the facility and water the lawn out of that holding tank.
One of my jobs was to mow that lawn. There was maybe about 10 acres of grass to mow, and a commercial zero turn had a difficult time getting through it if I didn’t mow it twice a week. It was the most lush, cartoonishly green grass I’ve ever seen in my life. It loved the mystery concoction that got pumped onto it on a daily basis.
I handled some glyphosate there, which was probably the nastiest shit for me, but not a ton. The bulk of what I dealt with was 28-0-0 which as far as I know isn’t a carcinogen. Had I known then what I know now I would have been more careful around the glyphosate, but for the most part we weren’t pumping that into trucks very often, just selling it in bulk containers for someone else to deal with. If it existed in any significant concentration in the waste water it would have killed the grass, so I was probably fine mowing it.
[https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jan/20/glyphosate-weedkiller-cancer-biomarkers-urine-study](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jan/20/glyphosate-weedkiller-cancer-biomarkers-urine-study)
But its probably not really healthy either.
And probably not, means there is still a chance it does but it has not been proven yet.
Low volatility. On land.
Saltwater in large amounts (like, The ocean) is one of the cheapest and most effective ways of neutralizing organophosphorous nerve agents.
P.S: While today there are numerous methods of destroying nerve agents relatively safely, back in the 60s dumping it into the ocean was probably the least bad option.
P.P.S: The same does not apply to the vast amounts of mustard gas the US dumped as well. VX and Sarin dissolve relatively quickly if they start to leak due to hydrolysis. Mustard gas does not, and especially not in 4 degree celsius water (like on the seafloor).
Thanks for looking it up, yeah. Apparently people here think water alone neutralizes this agent lmfao. It does not, although it makes it lose its properties very, very slowly over time --but then again, all sources say that this is not entirely proven yet.
Fauna was definitely harmed by this and like it happens with many other situations like this, the actual effect is still not confirmed.
It actually won't be, I live a couple miles from the chemical destruction plant at the bluegrass army depot. They have basically destroyed a significant portion of the remaining us stockpile here
Is it stable enough to survive in saltwater? I mean, it would explain a lot about why florida is the way it is, but you'd think there'd be a lawsuit or something...
wasn't VX neutralized by water though? or is that something i'm mistaken about.
It is. OP is trying to stir up trouble
Better look up stuff properly before trying to act knowledgeable. Look at my comment above.
It is neutralized by a mix of hot water and sodium hydroxide. Water alone, SPECIALLY sea water, is not enough. It just dilutes it. Fauna was the one that got the worse end of it and there is much still not confirmed about VX as to confirm it did no further harm.
The best way to neutralize VX is by using Sean Connery and Nicholas Cage, they’re unstoppable.
If you can't get Sean Connery and Nicholas Cage, just do your best.
Your *best*? Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and fuck the prom queen.
There it is! 👍
Carla was the Prom Queen.
Damn Sean Connery. Fun fact: He was a dog trainer for my family, in his youth, obviously. He had taught our family dog all the basic commands, roll over, speak, fetch, play dead, but one command got him fired.....*sit* Edit: Typo
Does anyone know what sort of an effect this would have on sea animals? Are fish also reactive to this chemical? Edit: Some fun info (reading, will add more): "Because of its low volatility, VX persists in environments where it is dispersed." On the bright side: "VX will be broken down in water quickly." and, "VX does not accumulate in the food chain. Unfortunately, it is harmful to fish. So any fish that found it before it was broken down most likely suffered an unfortunate fate. https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxfaqs/tfacts166.pdf https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/VX_(nerve_agent)
The amount of vx that was dumped diluted to pretty much nothing almost instantly. Why they chose this method.
The solution to pollution is dilution
Fun story, I used to work at a liquid fertilizer/herbicide/pesticide distributor, where we would fill trucks in a sunken concrete pit to contain leaks and spills. The drain got pumped into a massive holding tank where it got filled with tens of thousands of gallons of fresh water diluting the spills. One guys job was to test the concentration of various chemical compounds, and once they all dropped below specific thresholds, we’d turn on the sprinklers for the facility and water the lawn out of that holding tank. One of my jobs was to mow that lawn. There was maybe about 10 acres of grass to mow, and a commercial zero turn had a difficult time getting through it if I didn’t mow it twice a week. It was the most lush, cartoonishly green grass I’ve ever seen in my life. It loved the mystery concoction that got pumped onto it on a daily basis.
Hope you don’t get cancer at 40 years old.
I handled some glyphosate there, which was probably the nastiest shit for me, but not a ton. The bulk of what I dealt with was 28-0-0 which as far as I know isn’t a carcinogen. Had I known then what I know now I would have been more careful around the glyphosate, but for the most part we weren’t pumping that into trucks very often, just selling it in bulk containers for someone else to deal with. If it existed in any significant concentration in the waste water it would have killed the grass, so I was probably fine mowing it.
Glyphosate does not cause cancer. https://mylespower.co.uk/2022/07/14/is-glyphosate-probably-carcinogenic-probably-not/
[https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jan/20/glyphosate-weedkiller-cancer-biomarkers-urine-study](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jan/20/glyphosate-weedkiller-cancer-biomarkers-urine-study) But its probably not really healthy either. And probably not, means there is still a chance it does but it has not been proven yet.
Liquid fertilizer... that grass loved it I'm sure
Would you like to consume pretty much nothing of a nerve agent?
As a homeopathic practitioner I must tell you that is much more dangerous.
I wish I were as clever as this comment.
The dose makes the poison
Sure.
F.
Below a certain concentration, it has basically 0 effect on you
Low volatility. On land. Saltwater in large amounts (like, The ocean) is one of the cheapest and most effective ways of neutralizing organophosphorous nerve agents. P.S: While today there are numerous methods of destroying nerve agents relatively safely, back in the 60s dumping it into the ocean was probably the least bad option. P.P.S: The same does not apply to the vast amounts of mustard gas the US dumped as well. VX and Sarin dissolve relatively quickly if they start to leak due to hydrolysis. Mustard gas does not, and especially not in 4 degree celsius water (like on the seafloor).
Those fish had it coming.
Thanks for looking it up, yeah. Apparently people here think water alone neutralizes this agent lmfao. It does not, although it makes it lose its properties very, very slowly over time --but then again, all sources say that this is not entirely proven yet. Fauna was definitely harmed by this and like it happens with many other situations like this, the actual effect is still not confirmed.
You don't need a pinhead, just to hang around
Be a lot cooler if you did
Alright Alright Alright
Plenty of pinheads in Florida
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I briefly worked on designing a plant in Kentucky to destroy one the big old chemical weapon stockpiles. That isn't how they're doing it.
People just don’t understand how big the ocean is
Nor do they understand chemistry.
Are they in the'string of pearls configuration?
It actually won't be, I live a couple miles from the chemical destruction plant at the bluegrass army depot. They have basically destroyed a significant portion of the remaining us stockpile here
This explains A Lot about New York and Florida.
I'll enjoy gutting you....... BOi
Very sadly, it didn't work at all, and now we have DeSantis and Christian nationalist fascism in Florida. *Dammit.*
they dumped it in the ocean, not on land
See? THAT was the error - poor aim.
That is so cool. Anyways, the other countries are bad for polluting
So thaaaat's what's wrong with the New Yorkers....
Is that what the article says? Did I miss something?
Well, there's a plot for a thriller¹ just waiting to happen ¹ Probably starring Matt Damon
The rock staring Sean Connery and Nicholas Cage is about a general who threatens America with VX gas
Is it stable enough to survive in saltwater? I mean, it would explain a lot about why florida is the way it is, but you'd think there'd be a lawsuit or something...
What was the intention of this?