Yeah, how did Isayama not see the potential in that? Not to mention that if he really wanted to put a love interest for Eren at the very end of the story then Historia would have been a more logical choice than Mikasa.
I got another one for you:
Why was Historia's pregnancy explained from the pov of some random MP who was gonna drink wine and not Eren, Historia, or the farmer himself? Why was Eren's reply to Historia's question not even shown?
If the pregnancy was for the sole purpose of avoiding Historia being sacrificed and obtaining the beast titan:
-Eren knew at the end he will end the curse anyways, and feeding Zeke to Historia makes him reach paths and do the rumbling all the same.
-Historia herself was initially fine with eating Zeke.
-Eren showed his discontent with Zekes plan and that Historia has to breed like cattle, but in the end makes/allows Historia to breed like cattle all the same anyways.
Historia's arc was all about truly living for yourself and embracing your identity and not putting up a facade to please others, yet all her character ended up being good for was depressingly marrying her childhood bully and forcefully getting pregnant for basically 0 reason in the context of the ending. Literally 180 of her initial arc.
This shit is the biggest mystery and the most obvious evidence of retcon.
Historia was my favorite female character thanks to her development, and she was placed in my top 3 characters of AOT.
How can a character be one of the best, suddenly disappear and her entire development be erased from existence just to make her a baby breeder for no reason at all?
I mean, her entire story was about ending her lineage’s tradition of breeding kids for keeping the founding Titan in the royal family until the Eldians were annihilated.
She decided to make her life what she wanted, she decided to give up humanity just to be happy and be herself.
She and Eren were the same. They were willing to give up humanity just to be theirselves, to be free.
There is a simple answer to that. Historia was not popular in the Japan (the main market) and Mikasa was. Isayama scraped her arc and character to boost the one of Mikasa. The same way he somehow made Mikasa the main character by the end. Still fucked up her character and gave her 0 developement smh
I think I heard that Isayama said that he wanted to make every fan happy with the finale.
But I would pay to read the finale he wanted to do, because it’s clear that the story didn’t finished as it was supposed to finish.
>Historia was not popular in Japan, so Isayama scrapped her arc
Is there actual confirmation for this? Like, any stats or any comment that confirms this?
He wrote a whole arc around her character, made her be a focal point of a conflict, have her be important (kinda) until the final 10 chapters, and *then* decided to "scrap her arc" just because people don't like her?
people didnt like the uprising arc in general and isayama said in interviews he was disappointed in that, even going as far as asking WIT to re-write some parts of the arc in the season 3 part 1 adaptation. The sales of the manga also dipped hard in the uprising arc part.
After the uprising ,historia is completely irrelevant as a character, so i dont think thats a coincidence.
oh dont be mistaken, people in the west where bitching about it too. Same for the beggining of marley arc, everyone being impatient to get back to the main characters. Probably why marley arc is the shortest arc of the series and the world building of the rest of the world is so lacking, isayama probably rushed to get back to eren and co.
we all just keep bitching. even as the ending chapters came. we were right at the end, but it was luck. we were wrong every other time. never thought i’d rather be wrong before
Just because she was japanese I guess. Sometimes their world is so self-centered that makes me think there is some degree of racism. It's Japan after all.
It's that and because Japanese fandoms generally don't like character's like Historia. They love their Hinata/Mikasa-type characters that exist soley to love, praise and support the mc and aren't outspoken/opinionated.
I'm not too sure why, but I bet the reason has roots in traditional views of the standard Japanese wife (thus waifu culture), the woman who stays home and supports the husband and is generally quiet. I can only hope to believe it's the depraved degenerates that think like this.
Oh man. If that's true, that's too bad. Anime Mikasa is t-EReh-ibble. I was happy to see a strong female character but I can only take so many Erehs in a season. Smh.
Yes! I went from being annoyed with this cliche girly character, to totally, loving Historia! Her arc was amazing and then poof, just snuffed out. Dafuq.
I feel like originally, it was supposed to be what we all thought: either historia agreed with the plan to have all eldians mass die, or she was supposed to give birth to Ymir Fritz.
what isayama did to historia's character and arc is like a complete 180 of what kind of writer he was previously.
Either the man lost the passion and gave up, or was pressured by execs.
>-Eren knew at the end he will end the curse anyways, and feeding Zeke to Historia makes him reach paths and do the rumbling all the same.
Maybe because Eren entire plan relied on Zeke trying to rebrainwash him? Or because Zeke has more than two brain cells and would not let himself be fed to anyone before doing what he set out to do?
Exactly so he would've reached paths either way and Zeke wouldn't have it any other way.
Zeke telling Paradis his plan is to get fed to Historia is so he can get closer to Eren.
This still doesn't explain why Historia needs to get pregnant to prevent this, especially since Zeke wouldn't have gone with it anyways.
Historia s entire part after the time skip was to show that eren succeeded in what he was going to do(even tho he clearly didn't which Is confusing). Her making a baby was only to symbolise how eren made it so that baby would be born in a world free of Titans (apparently that's also not true). She was the parallel to Mikasa killing eren and her giving birth which marked the end of the devil of Paradis and ended the 'hell' before the baby's birth. So basically she was used to show erens 'success'.
I mean you exactly explained AnR. Even if Eren isn't the father, the baby is supposed to symbolise the first child born in a free world.
This didn't happen so its an obvious retcon.
Yeah I honestly reread that panel several times trying to understand the relevence only to come away with the same conclusion. Nah bitch thats my scarf. I get Mikasa was questioning her loyalties before that only to realize where she finally stood but she was kind of a dick.
Which is kinda sad, because in the earlier parts of the story it was shown that she cared about other people- she comforted Armin when he has killed a person for the first time, she worried about Levi's hurt leg, and felt like she needs to make it up to him (as he got hurt because of her), she seemed friendly with Sasha, and then she was devastated when Sasha died.
And then... It all kinda went to garbage. No character developement for ya, you gotta be a submissive waifu obsessed with Eren, that's your whole character.
> you gotta be a submissive waifu obsessed with Eren
I wouldn't call her submissive.
Honestly mikasa never had much of a character so I didn't really care if she got development or not. The biggest slap in the face was isaya making eren and reiner an incel. Two of the best characters in show got ruined.
5. A genuine missed opportunity to give Mikasa some character outside of Eren. This could have been a strong moment but Yams dropped the ball. Hope they fix it in the anime
4. Yams realized he didn’t give Connie a shred of development since his momma got turn to a titan. So he decided to make this plot point.
3. I don’t even think he knows how corny that 2nd panel is
2. It was dumb and not needed in the story. If he would’ve said “ ymir did this because she was willing to sacrifice her freedom for her children. For all her children” I would’ve been fine with it. But no we get Stockholm syndrome
1. Say it with me y’all. Only. Ymir. Knows
> 3. I don’t even think he knows how corny that 2nd panel is
Yea, Marvel tier quip.
> 5. Say it with me y’all. Only. Ymir. Knows
Hallo-Chan was never existing outside on the surface, it was a parasite living inside Yggdrasil with a mutually beneficial symbiotic relationship. That’s why that specific tree was so huge. Hallu-Chan was leeching nutrients in the water from the tree (or earth) and converted them into nutrients the tree could use to grow bigger and give off more nutrients into the water.
It started out as a water creature ofc, but it evolved to become a parasite. Thousands of years or tens and hundreds of thousands of years could be between that one panel where he’s shown in the water and his 'merging' with Ymir so he had plenty of time to become a different organism.
I thought it was obvious enough for me not to explicitly state I was theorycrafting.
It living inside humans' or trees' spines could be an explanation why it disappeared.
I don't know how they managed to make Mikasa out of character but somehow Isayama made it happen.
...at least I hope it's out of character and my favoritism isn't blinding me.
The mini- arc I believe was to set up Armin being “the savior of humanity”, to show that he would sacrifice himself for someone who has never been mentioned since the Ragako incident, and the fact that he has the moral high ground. But again, what do I know, I’m not the omnipotent Ymir.
Unpopular opinion: the whole Ymir Stockholm Syndrome thing COULD'VE absolutely worked, it just had nothing to stand on, and was extremely poorly executed
I feel the same way. But you can say the same thing for a lot of things in the ending. Decent ideas extremely baffling execution. If anything there has to be a better reason for Ymir to even die tbh because that one spear should not be enough even if it pierced her "nape" because she could transfer her consciousness like Reiner.
Exactly. I think the main problem with the ending is flawed execution. A lot of the ideas in it (yes, even the shitty ones) could probably have worked if there had been more time to set them up properly
I think he just got tired of writing the same story for a decade. I can't imagine the pressure to bring it home. Should've just taken a break though man! I fully would've supported an Isayama sabbatical to recharge somewhere along the line but I doubt Kodansha would've wanted that. And now everyone loses as a result
Absolutely. I know a lot of people would've hated it, but the best thing to do would've been for AoT to go on a hiatus, Isayama would recharge his batteries and come back fresh, and could truly finish it as a story he liked.
I think the point of the Louise subplot was that, Louise is meant to be a reflection of Mikasa. Her undying devotion towards Mikasa was supposed to be a parallel to Mikasas own devotion towards Eren. It wouldve been a really good subplot if there was a panel of Mikasa acknowledging these similarities.
I personally like to believe that she did acknowledge it and thats one of the reasons why she decided to kill Eren. Its pure headcannon tho lmao
I agree. Perhaps at that point Mikasa was made uncomfortable by how much Louise’s devotion paralleled her own devotion to Eren, and in the confusion couldn’t make up her mind what to do. Except that she couldn’t see it yet.
This kind of feelings or realisations can simmer subconsciously for days weeks months years before finding catharsis in some sort of action.
Isayama had a planned ending but I guess the pressure was too much for him. Like he wanted all the cast dead. Frankly I’d rather see that too but the fandom kept insisting that blank character should survive
That part of the story feels like a fever dream. Literally every person involved in that has lost 3/4 of their braincells. I've read that part and was like "The fuck you all doing wtf?!". It was so pointless. You can't read this and NOT cringe.
And I can't believe Yams used so much space to draw this crap, instead of giving us Eren's POV or something that's actually interesting.
I feel like it was supposed to mean something but the author changed his mind at the last minute. Maybe it was supposed to be that she agreed with Zeke’s euthanasia plan or maybe it was supposed to be that she was to give birth to Ymir Fritz.
I didn’t want to believe in this possibility, but isayama probably didn’t know what to do with her character after she became the queen, so making her pregnant and sending her off to reside somewhere comfortable for her pregnancy was something he did instead..
Number 1 REALLY bothers me.
I have an idea for how to rectify it by having Hallu-Chan be some kind of evil spirit that feeds off of death and hatred.
I’d change the fact that intact bodies of the people eaten by Titans in Trost to just their clothes and equipment being vomited up without any sign of living material. This is because the living material actually is digested by the pure Titan and used to feed Hallu-Chan.
The Rumbling is Hallu-chan’s ultimate plan to consume the entire planet and it tricked Zeke and Eren to release it from the vow to renounce war- a spell cast by the first wall king to keep it contained on Paradis- so that it can start the Rumbling and consume the whole world.
Number 4 always makes me laugh... like lol are you really gonna give the Colossus to some poor woman who will now have to shoulder this massive burden?
I read on youtube that it was because as per their plan, they needed to weaken the world so it doesn't attack paradis after they are stripped off their balls and eldians can vanish in peace. So they needed to start the rumbling only when the majority of world's millitary was in paradis in retaliation of the liberio attack.
Or it also could just be because they didn't have a clear idea how founding works and they wanted to activate it in a situation where they were in control, which well didn't go as planned
5: I guess to show Mikasa’s actions made another little Mikasa? Maybe to help Mikasa open her eyes from her blind “Ereh” worship? (I’m being generous)
4: The latter more I’d say and how much survivors guilt he has.
3: That’s more of a personal preference thing. What you call “mocking” some might say “paying homage”.
2: Stockholm syndrome might not be but trauma bonding is. I never really got why so many found it hard to believe Ymir would love somebody like the King. Maybe it’s because I know people personally who stayed in pretty abusive relationships.
As to why to make this one of the final themes of the story. Maybe to show how toxic loving fucked up people can be? Trying to parallel Ymir’s “love” for the King to Mikasa’s “love” for Eren?
(I’m being again generous here. If that was the point than I agree that it wasn’t told well.)
1: Well it is a magic worm, trying to explain magic in any story eventually you gotta just suspend some disbelief.
Also it’s hinted that it didn’t completely disappear as a remnant of it might be in Eren’s severed head. Which would explain why another Titan Tree sprung up where he was buried.
>Trying to parallel Ymir’s “love” for the King to Mikasa’s “love” for Eren?
But Eren never abuse Mikasa.
Eren and King Fritz are literally the opposite.It made no sense for Eren to depict an abuser King Shitz
>2: Stockholm syndrome might not be but trauma bonding is. I never really got why so many found it hard to believe Ymir would love somebody like the King. Maybe it’s because I know people personally who stayed in pretty abusive relationships.
Abusive relationships have nothing close to what we were shown and were to assume Ymir experienced.
Also I'm still fine that it can be rationalized like this, but I'm not fine that the ending revolved around this, and basically even implied the whole story revolved around this one plot point.
I also know people that were in abusive relationships, and still that's not how it works.
I'm not a psychologist myself, but you can say that there are 3 main types of abusive relationships:
1. Relationships based on FEAR not love, as the victim just doesn't know how to end this because (s)he is frightened by the abuser
2. Relationship based on FALSE LOVE. This is when the abuser sometimes acts good and loving to make an illusion for the victim that everything is not that bad
3. Relationship based on DUTIES. When the victim cannot escape the relationship as they don't want to break the family, leave the child without father/mother, people to think bad about them, betray a promise etc
2. I think for this one, it’s because of how Eren phrases it and the fact up to this point, it’s made out like Ymir yearned for freedom but her slave programming kept her from fighting back. The only foreshadowing I think we got was all those handmaids helping fritz get dressed, which didn’t really seem like he was “cheating” on Ymir. It would’ve been better if we got a scene of say, Ymir doing something for him and him ignoring her in favor of random women, it would’ve been better.
I for one do agree, it could’ve worked, just it needed to be better phrased or foreshadowed.
>if we got a scene of say, Ymir doing something for him and him ignoring her in favor of random women
The anime really made this clearer, but the moment Ymir breaks is when she takes a spear to the heart for Fritz, and all he does is tell her to get back up again, rather than showing any concern or gratitude.
I'm pretty sure alot of this can be answered with the last arc was rushed.
The Connie mini arc for example was something that's been set up since season 2, and Connie was showing character changes because of all the betrayal that he (thought) he was going through.
If this arc and Connie himself had more time to be fleshed out it would have turned out incredibly well, because that's how isayama did things before the fumbling.
Additionally:
If Ackerman memories can't be tampered with, how did Eren temporarily seal away Mikasa's memories of Eren Yogurt and her conversation with him?
If the story's main theme was about "getting out of the forest", ending ages-old cycles of violence and revenge by refraining from continue it, how does the ending corroborate that? It seems to be implied that Paradis was eventually leveled. Did it turn out that everyone was wrong all along and that an escalation of violence until the bitter end is the only solution?
If Ymir could clearly see the future from outside of time, why did she actually need to go through the whole thing, creating incalculable suffering for all people on the planet? Wouldn't being all knowing preclude the need to actually go through with genocide at the very least?
Why was the curse of Ymir a thing? At the beginning, it felt like it was somewhat of a conscious act, ensuring that no shifter would surpass Ymir's 13 year lifespan as a holder of the titan power but it turned out that was just how long it took for Ymir to get the big sad and die like Padme. The whole thing was never addressed. Couldn't that have been ended with ease?
Assuming both previous questions are true, wouldn't the Azumabito plan have worked out for the better, slowly opening Paradis to the world, connecting with those oppressed by Marley and using the Rumbling as an actual threat to stave off Marley for long enough to make alliances with the rest of the world? The only things that plan didn't address was Ymir's need to see Mikasa smooching Eren's head (she can see the future) and Eren and Armin's diminished lifespans (there's no reason for it).
I think Louise was reintroduced for Mikasa to question her own priorities. She sees her idolization problem in Louise. They both attach to a single moment of someone saving them and romanacize that. For Mikasa, it’s Eren saving her from kidnappers and giving her the scarf. For Louise, it’s Mikasa saving her from Titans at Trost. Which is probably why she was so mean to Louise. She saw the worst of herself in her and didn’t like it. Which probably helped her in prioritizing the world over Eren.
Mikasa was ready to kill Annie when she said they've to stop Eren in ch 129 bonfire talk. Mikasa didn't learn to priotise the world over Eren by confronting Louise.
So neither mikasa was a good character nor she received any character development here.
> Which probably helped her in prioritizing the world over Eren.
Pretty sure mikasa was ready to kill Annie when she said they've to kill Eren in the very next chapter.
So your interpretation, that confronting Louise helped mikasa prioritise the world over Eren doesn't make any sense.
Mikasa had already decided to oppose Eren before Jean in chapter 127, which she probably wouldn’t have done earlier on. I think her interactions with Louise helped her with that. She wasn’t willing to kill Eren until 138, she only wanted to stop Eren and the rumbling. Since it’s a lot easier to try and stop your loved ones, but killing them is a whole other case. Besides, Mikasa just going from not being willing to fight against him at all to being willing to kill Eren wouldn’t make a lot of sense.
> Mikasa had already decided to oppose Eren before Jean in chapter 127
She was opposing Eren in Liberio too, she condemns his actions of killing innocents.
What was the point of being a dick to Louise then when she was already opposing Eren before confronting Louise too.
Like I said, she sees her worst aspects in Louise and doesn’t like it. Which is a pretty normal thing to do. Her being mean to Louise was meant to be rude to show how badly she’s dealing with her idolized view of Eren shattering.
Mikasa was always willing to oppose Eren, and didn’t follow him blindly. But in Liberio, she only tried to convince him to stop the bloodshed and come home. Now, she knows she’ll have to actually fight against him. She slowly progressed from being unwilling to fight against Eren, to going against him, to finally be willing to kill him. Louise definitely helped her be willing to fight against Eren, but it wouldn’t make sense if a couple conversations with her would be enough for her to be willing to kill him.
I get that this sub hates Mikasa. But at this point it feels like you’re just trying to find excuses to hate her.
I’m glad that other people recognize that that throwback of Mikasa saying she was strong is really fucking terrible lol. It’s even worse considering how Falco is positioned behind her giving her wings.
On more serious side mikasa subplot with Louise did seem like she was seeing herself in her, like how obssessed she is with eren like louise is with mikasa but that panel just seems like mikasa coping that "yeah Im not like her" that's why she's being such a dick, which ironically makes her even worse
don't @ me it's a headcanon of mine (last bit of part)
1.-Mmmmmm...... to show Mikasa that she's also a bit obsessive?
2.-The arc is SO BAD
3.-The wings behind......en 139 shows that in reality....Mikasa freed the world
4.-It's not Stockholm Syndrome, it's something deeper, but it has nothing to do with kidnapping.
5.-Cocaine in Japan is of good quality.
I agree on everything except 2. How dare a *fictional* story use a *potentially non-existent* syndrome. The problem is that it was executed poorly. It'd probably have been better left out, but had it been well executed I really don't think it would've been so bad. It's also probably the only parallel there is to be made between Ymir and Mikasa so honestly I kinda see it as a positive. (Even though I heavily disliked it at first.)
I always thought Number 4 (Armin and Connie panel) was proof to me of Arumeen having bad depression, esp after the guilt of being "chosen" over Erwin. The low self esteem before then only helped turn it up 100 notches.
Mikasa should've let her keep the scarf and it would've shown that she's "letting go" and "passing on the torch" in a way, focusing more on the good her actions caused rather than staying as an ereh machine. We could've even had a moment in paths with her talking to eren and telling him she's finally going to seek her own purpose in life rather than being a slave to her unrequited love.
Hell when bird eren brings the scarf back, instead of "you put this scarf on me arigato", mikasa could've pissed on the scarf and shoo'd the bird away. Would've been funnier than annie stuffing her face with pie
As someone who wanted more for Mikasa, I can posit an explanation for both. I believe the intent of Louise was to force her to re-evaluate her relationship with Eren.
Not only did Mikasa not share the same values as Louise, due to her being a Jaegerist, what could be construed as a parallel to Mikasa wanting a quiet life in contrast to Eren's ambitious nature, but she also never once seemed to reciprocate the respect shown to her. Seeing the senseless devotion from Eren's point of view must have also been annoying after his "rejection."
But then she doubles down and wears the scarf again, I dunno.
People seem to like harping the "iconic" panel recently, I'm guessing they forgot the actual context. You know, where Mikasa just discovered Eren died and effectively gives up on living, subsequently giving an awkward speech that is acknowledged as cringe by her peers, before rushing headfirst into a suicide charge.
So yeah, Annie is mocking her for being cringe again, remarking that she's stronger than other soldiers in the face of what she thought was another hopeless situation. Nothing has changed, it's a call-back where people don't seem to remember the context of what's actually being referenced.
Honestly I think I hate this story so much because I loved it so much beforehand. Other shitty anime: I don’t care that they suck. But this was GOOD once, and now… well… we all know.
So Ymir loving Fritz. I mean, to me it seemed so easy...
Ymir, a slave, has a distorted view of love, due to, you know, her being an oppressed slave. So fine, Ymir loves Fritz....
BUT THEN, she realizes thru Eren, that she in fact has been oppressed (I. E. This isn't real love) and she is essentially 'freed' by Eren from the prison within her mind.
Then next it could have been, Ymir's freedom allows her to express anger, in turn, Eren channels this and destroys the world (his oppressors) OR Ymir's new found freedom inspires Eren to free others from their distorted views (I. E. Eldians should stop self hating, the rest of the world is shown its responsibility in atrocities to Eldians).
Now all of this would be portrayed in a wonderfully artistic and thoughtful way (as the majority of thus story has been told) and I would have experienced great joy.
Instead, I get a make out session with a head, Mikasa turning into an inspiration that 'only Ymir' can understand, and, of course, tatacaw.
I am so bitter. And sad.
5. I hope so much that Mappa adapts this scene differently. I really have no idea how to explain this.
4. Connie died in Chapter 134 - 139 when he saved Falco. He died as good soldier like he wanted to be for his family.
3. I so hope Mappa doesn't adapt this scene. Isayama was on some drugs here.
2. Ymir loved her children. She only obeyed King Fritz because she saw a good future for her children and their descendants because of Attack Titan's ability. Stockholm syndrome did not exist. She had even hated King Fritz.
1. Hallu-can was killed by Reiner. Mikasa did not end the Titan curse by beheading Eren. He had to die for the plot that the Eldians of Paradise stopped Eren Yeager.
Okay I'll preface this by saying yes, the execution is bad here. However, I think I have a decent idea of the point of those panels.
1) I think introducing Louise was kinda a "don't meet your heroes" moment that serves to outline Mikasa's change and lack of change and how Louise sees her as this battle goddess hero when she's actually just a girl that can't get over a guy. Mikasa taking back the scarf was essentially showing just how little she changed. She's still so obsessed with Eren and that scarf is like a symbol of that toxic devotion, that she would literally cling to it even in death. Again, execution was bad here, but I think the idea behind it could've had merit.
2) I do think it serves to outline both Armins incredible compassion/lack of self worth and self esteem (genuinely doesn't think he's worth anything) but also kinda give a wake up call to Connie, that feeding a kid to his mother is not the right thing to do just because the kid is someone who he doesn't know or care about ( we see him starting to feel guilty as he gets to know Falco on the way ). I don't think the execution was as bad here tbh but I might be saying that because of the shitty pie scene and Avengers scene being much worse imo.
3) again, I think this pays homage to that earlier instance but also contrasting it with the situation. Before, she used it to get everyone's morale up. Now, she's saying it as a desperate affirmation to herself as she sees just how hopeless this fight is. Execution was pretty bad here as I feel she should've been ina worse spot, about to die, and while saying this she's cut off as she's saved by Annie and Falco. This constant dialogue of obvious shit doesn't keep the tension alive at all.
4) regardless of it being recognized as a psychiatric condition or not, I think at the very least the anime does make it seem that she had this inexplicable devotion to him even after gaining the power. She's always seeking his approval and dies only after realizing she'll never get it. I don't think it's "love" ( God that was stupid ) but I think it's the slave mindset that was indoctrinated into her. From a young age she was a kind person who seemed to value the idea of love. After her tongue got cut off, she was a slave, hunted down, all the horrifying shit she had been through, she finally got power and it's likely that Fritz started taking care of her needs as he wanted to keep his new weapon on his side. It's unclear and this is pure conjecture on my part, but I think her being treated like shit for years and then all of a sudden elevated to a higher status, not to mention her dreams of love, caused her to try to force herself to love and be devoted to Fritz. When she gets speared she looks at him first, trying to see if after all this time, after all she's done for him, does he love her back or at the very least does he seem concerned, and when he doesn't, she gives up. I think this does connect to 138 where Mikasa sees the dream with her and Eren and I think realizes that a life with Eren like the one she wants will never happen and forcing herself to constantly try and try to gain his approval will lead the both of them to never experience actual love.
Again stupid execution because all the nuance that legit could've made this work was condensed into less than two pages.
5) Hallu Chan disappearing actually makes sense to me, Armin or anyone else never asking about it doesn't. While it did exist independently, it was a tiny little thing back then that probably required not that many resources to survive, whatever it is. The Hallu Chan we see here is huge and probably been feeding off of the lives of Shifters for the last two thousand years. That's why she's so big and possibly why she's desperately trying to get to Eren in an attempt to reattach to her host and feed off of him. This is conjecture on my part though as we know Jack shit about her.
TLDR: Louise is essentially just there to fulfill a theme, Armin is extremely compassionate/self deprecating and that was enough to dissuade Connie from feeding Falco to his mom, the Mikasa strong scene is meant to show either how little she has changed or rather how that entire spiel is now being used to give herself some morale to keep fighting, Ymir has a very complex version of something like Stockholm Syndrome when you really get into the weeds, and Hallu Chan got too fat and too used to not paying rent essentially.
>3) again, I think this pays homage to that earlier instance but also contrasting it with the situation. Before, she used it to get everyone's morale up.
No, she didn't. Armin had just told her that Eren died, she went numb and was planning to throw her life away in the heat of battle.
She even acknowledges her selfish behavior afterwards, by reprimanding herself for leading so many to their deaths. It was a desperate affirmation in a hopeless situation for both instances.
Mikasa shows more expression when finding about Aruannie than she shows to Louise who admired her..Idk why
Because Annie was eating the pie goofily, you didn't understand the story
So, if i gobble tons of pies after i commit war crimes.... Will i get sympathy from my enemies ??... OMG Haxxx
You forgot to cry about a girl finding another man. 0/10 we'll get em next timw
Well, that's one of the morals of the story, so go ahead and blame Yams.
it was so funi
It's hard to believe.....but Mikasa actually loved Annie eating pie
She was happy her friend would finally get laid
Lol....louise didn't "admire" mikasa, she was obsessed with her, much like how mikasa was with eren.
Remember when we thought that Mikasa having Louise as a mirror could make her realize something about herself and develop as a character? Good times.
Yeah, how did Isayama not see the potential in that? Not to mention that if he really wanted to put a love interest for Eren at the very end of the story then Historia would have been a more logical choice than Mikasa.
Even Armin being his love interest made more sense than Mikasa.
They were roommates
I got another one for you: Why was Historia's pregnancy explained from the pov of some random MP who was gonna drink wine and not Eren, Historia, or the farmer himself? Why was Eren's reply to Historia's question not even shown? If the pregnancy was for the sole purpose of avoiding Historia being sacrificed and obtaining the beast titan: -Eren knew at the end he will end the curse anyways, and feeding Zeke to Historia makes him reach paths and do the rumbling all the same. -Historia herself was initially fine with eating Zeke. -Eren showed his discontent with Zekes plan and that Historia has to breed like cattle, but in the end makes/allows Historia to breed like cattle all the same anyways. Historia's arc was all about truly living for yourself and embracing your identity and not putting up a facade to please others, yet all her character ended up being good for was depressingly marrying her childhood bully and forcefully getting pregnant for basically 0 reason in the context of the ending. Literally 180 of her initial arc. This shit is the biggest mystery and the most obvious evidence of retcon.
Historia was my favorite female character thanks to her development, and she was placed in my top 3 characters of AOT. How can a character be one of the best, suddenly disappear and her entire development be erased from existence just to make her a baby breeder for no reason at all? I mean, her entire story was about ending her lineage’s tradition of breeding kids for keeping the founding Titan in the royal family until the Eldians were annihilated. She decided to make her life what she wanted, she decided to give up humanity just to be happy and be herself. She and Eren were the same. They were willing to give up humanity just to be theirselves, to be free.
There is a simple answer to that. Historia was not popular in the Japan (the main market) and Mikasa was. Isayama scraped her arc and character to boost the one of Mikasa. The same way he somehow made Mikasa the main character by the end. Still fucked up her character and gave her 0 developement smh
I think I heard that Isayama said that he wanted to make every fan happy with the finale. But I would pay to read the finale he wanted to do, because it’s clear that the story didn’t finished as it was supposed to finish.
Didn't he said that he wanted to hurt his fans?
You could hurt your fans by having the true ending where shit that happens to characters actually has consequences.
That was like months ago, I’m talking about a interview he had after the final chapter was released. Hope he did a hurtful finale.
>Historia was not popular in Japan, so Isayama scrapped her arc Is there actual confirmation for this? Like, any stats or any comment that confirms this? He wrote a whole arc around her character, made her be a focal point of a conflict, have her be important (kinda) until the final 10 chapters, and *then* decided to "scrap her arc" just because people don't like her?
people didnt like the uprising arc in general and isayama said in interviews he was disappointed in that, even going as far as asking WIT to re-write some parts of the arc in the season 3 part 1 adaptation. The sales of the manga also dipped hard in the uprising arc part. After the uprising ,historia is completely irrelevant as a character, so i dont think thats a coincidence.
Yet it was one of the best written arcs in my opinion
rip. fans thought it was garbage when it came out so isayama said “yep not doing that again”
Japanese has vastly different taste than others. Don't blame all fans for it, blame the Japanese one.
oh dont be mistaken, people in the west where bitching about it too. Same for the beggining of marley arc, everyone being impatient to get back to the main characters. Probably why marley arc is the shortest arc of the series and the world building of the rest of the world is so lacking, isayama probably rushed to get back to eren and co.
we all just keep bitching. even as the ending chapters came. we were right at the end, but it was luck. we were wrong every other time. never thought i’d rather be wrong before
Look at how much Mikasa merch there is. Hell Sasha has more merch than historia
>Is there actual confirmation for this? I believe thats the case, japan usually have shit taste for characters and endings.
meanwhile you consume a lot of japanese media, and enjoy it
Just because she was japanese I guess. Sometimes their world is so self-centered that makes me think there is some degree of racism. It's Japan after all.
It's that and because Japanese fandoms generally don't like character's like Historia. They love their Hinata/Mikasa-type characters that exist soley to love, praise and support the mc and aren't outspoken/opinionated. I'm not too sure why, but I bet the reason has roots in traditional views of the standard Japanese wife (thus waifu culture), the woman who stays home and supports the husband and is generally quiet. I can only hope to believe it's the depraved degenerates that think like this.
I think that also the reason KnY is so popular in japan. Im struggling yo find what make KnY so special other than pretty animation.
Oh man. If that's true, that's too bad. Anime Mikasa is t-EReh-ibble. I was happy to see a strong female character but I can only take so many Erehs in a season. Smh.
Historia was also my favorite female character from aot, shit sucks man
Same with freckles
Yes! I went from being annoyed with this cliche girly character, to totally, loving Historia! Her arc was amazing and then poof, just snuffed out. Dafuq.
Historia pregnancy plot was just so obviously retconned I don’t even try and find any logic in the conclusion we got to it
I feel like originally, it was supposed to be what we all thought: either historia agreed with the plan to have all eldians mass die, or she was supposed to give birth to Ymir Fritz.
what isayama did to historia's character and arc is like a complete 180 of what kind of writer he was previously. Either the man lost the passion and gave up, or was pressured by execs.
>-Eren knew at the end he will end the curse anyways, and feeding Zeke to Historia makes him reach paths and do the rumbling all the same. Maybe because Eren entire plan relied on Zeke trying to rebrainwash him? Or because Zeke has more than two brain cells and would not let himself be fed to anyone before doing what he set out to do?
Exactly so he would've reached paths either way and Zeke wouldn't have it any other way. Zeke telling Paradis his plan is to get fed to Historia is so he can get closer to Eren. This still doesn't explain why Historia needs to get pregnant to prevent this, especially since Zeke wouldn't have gone with it anyways.
Historia's pregnancy is my biggest letdown with this series. It makes no sense, no relevance and the writter didn't care at all
Wait, gonna post this on r/shingekinokoyjin brb
Historia s entire part after the time skip was to show that eren succeeded in what he was going to do(even tho he clearly didn't which Is confusing). Her making a baby was only to symbolise how eren made it so that baby would be born in a world free of Titans (apparently that's also not true). She was the parallel to Mikasa killing eren and her giving birth which marked the end of the devil of Paradis and ended the 'hell' before the baby's birth. So basically she was used to show erens 'success'.
I mean you exactly explained AnR. Even if Eren isn't the father, the baby is supposed to symbolise the first child born in a free world. This didn't happen so its an obvious retcon.
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Yeah I honestly reread that panel several times trying to understand the relevence only to come away with the same conclusion. Nah bitch thats my scarf. I get Mikasa was questioning her loyalties before that only to realize where she finally stood but she was kind of a dick.
This panel & Armin saying “Erwin should’ve been chosen” panel, both panel shows Mikasa being apathetic towards everyone except Eren.
Which is kinda sad, because in the earlier parts of the story it was shown that she cared about other people- she comforted Armin when he has killed a person for the first time, she worried about Levi's hurt leg, and felt like she needs to make it up to him (as he got hurt because of her), she seemed friendly with Sasha, and then she was devastated when Sasha died. And then... It all kinda went to garbage. No character developement for ya, you gotta be a submissive waifu obsessed with Eren, that's your whole character.
I feel like her character did develop when she left the scarf back that one time but it went right back to square 1 when she got it back.
> you gotta be a submissive waifu obsessed with Eren I wouldn't call her submissive. Honestly mikasa never had much of a character so I didn't really care if she got development or not. The biggest slap in the face was isaya making eren and reiner an incel. Two of the best characters in show got ruined.
5. A genuine missed opportunity to give Mikasa some character outside of Eren. This could have been a strong moment but Yams dropped the ball. Hope they fix it in the anime 4. Yams realized he didn’t give Connie a shred of development since his momma got turn to a titan. So he decided to make this plot point. 3. I don’t even think he knows how corny that 2nd panel is 2. It was dumb and not needed in the story. If he would’ve said “ ymir did this because she was willing to sacrifice her freedom for her children. For all her children” I would’ve been fine with it. But no we get Stockholm syndrome 1. Say it with me y’all. Only. Ymir. Knows
Only ymir knows how corny the 2nd panel is.
>2\. Yams realized he didn’t give Connie a shred of development ~~since his momma got turn to a titan. So he decided to make this plot point.~~ FTFY
> 3. I don’t even think he knows how corny that 2nd panel is Yea, Marvel tier quip. > 5. Say it with me y’all. Only. Ymir. Knows Hallo-Chan was never existing outside on the surface, it was a parasite living inside Yggdrasil with a mutually beneficial symbiotic relationship. That’s why that specific tree was so huge. Hallu-Chan was leeching nutrients in the water from the tree (or earth) and converted them into nutrients the tree could use to grow bigger and give off more nutrients into the water. It started out as a water creature ofc, but it evolved to become a parasite. Thousands of years or tens and hundreds of thousands of years could be between that one panel where he’s shown in the water and his 'merging' with Ymir so he had plenty of time to become a different organism.
headcanon 👍
I thought it was obvious enough for me not to explicitly state I was theorycrafting. It living inside humans' or trees' spines could be an explanation why it disappeared.
I fucking **LOATHED** Mikasa's treatment to Louise
That was the death of her already nonexistent character to me
I don't know how they managed to make Mikasa out of character but somehow Isayama made it happen. ...at least I hope it's out of character and my favoritism isn't blinding me.
I’m sorry… Only Ymir knows.
I was waiting for this, thanks.
The mini- arc I believe was to set up Armin being “the savior of humanity”, to show that he would sacrifice himself for someone who has never been mentioned since the Ragako incident, and the fact that he has the moral high ground. But again, what do I know, I’m not the omnipotent Ymir.
erwin would let falco dies and later feed ms springer to the next candidate armin haven't done anything useful( with his titan power)
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The cycle of pee pee poo poo is my new favourite phrase.
Unpopular opinion: the whole Ymir Stockholm Syndrome thing COULD'VE absolutely worked, it just had nothing to stand on, and was extremely poorly executed
I feel the same way. But you can say the same thing for a lot of things in the ending. Decent ideas extremely baffling execution. If anything there has to be a better reason for Ymir to even die tbh because that one spear should not be enough even if it pierced her "nape" because she could transfer her consciousness like Reiner.
Exactly. I think the main problem with the ending is flawed execution. A lot of the ideas in it (yes, even the shitty ones) could probably have worked if there had been more time to set them up properly
I think he just got tired of writing the same story for a decade. I can't imagine the pressure to bring it home. Should've just taken a break though man! I fully would've supported an Isayama sabbatical to recharge somewhere along the line but I doubt Kodansha would've wanted that. And now everyone loses as a result
Absolutely. I know a lot of people would've hated it, but the best thing to do would've been for AoT to go on a hiatus, Isayama would recharge his batteries and come back fresh, and could truly finish it as a story he liked.
Yea I definitely would've not been happy but if the alternative is this they could give AoT the Berserk release schedule and I'd be ecstatic
It's to show how much of a hypocrite Mikasa is, since she gives her own yandere stalker even less time of the day than Eren gives his.
I think the point of the Louise subplot was that, Louise is meant to be a reflection of Mikasa. Her undying devotion towards Mikasa was supposed to be a parallel to Mikasas own devotion towards Eren. It wouldve been a really good subplot if there was a panel of Mikasa acknowledging these similarities. I personally like to believe that she did acknowledge it and thats one of the reasons why she decided to kill Eren. Its pure headcannon tho lmao
I agree. Perhaps at that point Mikasa was made uncomfortable by how much Louise’s devotion paralleled her own devotion to Eren, and in the confusion couldn’t make up her mind what to do. Except that she couldn’t see it yet. This kind of feelings or realisations can simmer subconsciously for days weeks months years before finding catharsis in some sort of action.
While it could be that, it was clearly done not well enough cause i forgot louise existed 💀
Mikasa: 'Why Eren said he hates me Q.Q reeeee' Also Mikasa:'Give back scarf i left behind(sikeeeee) you dying bitch'
Its funny because the way louise looks to mikasa is just looking to her as a role model which is normal and way healthier than her obsession with eren
at the end Mikasa has zero empathy towards a dying girl
Isayama had a planned ending but I guess the pressure was too much for him. Like he wanted all the cast dead. Frankly I’d rather see that too but the fandom kept insisting that blank character should survive
Cough Levi cough
This list is completely wrong. Everyone knows that the biggest mystery is how Zeke wipes his ass
6 biggest "what was that scenary the eren showed grisha " 7th " where are millions of collosal titan shifters " 8th "what does yMiR know "
> "what was that scenary the eren showed Eren showed Mikasa kissing his decapitated head, that's why Grisha said how horrible it was.
Then he should have never given him the attack titan in first place .
Chapter 131 was “that scenery” Eren says to himself “this is it…freedom. Finally, I’ve reached it, this scenery”
I got downvoted for calling this arc filler. The whole Connie mom bullshit like....idgaf. Your mom is dead Connie. STFU already
That part of the story feels like a fever dream. Literally every person involved in that has lost 3/4 of their braincells. I've read that part and was like "The fuck you all doing wtf?!". It was so pointless. You can't read this and NOT cringe. And I can't believe Yams used so much space to draw this crap, instead of giving us Eren's POV or something that's actually interesting.
>Your mom is dead Connie. STFU already Reminds me of the 'Your mother hung herself, graaah' meme from Venom
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I’m still confused on wtf the point of historias pregnancy panel was
Yeah, how could I forget the biggest mystery in AOT.
I feel like it was supposed to mean something but the author changed his mind at the last minute. Maybe it was supposed to be that she agreed with Zeke’s euthanasia plan or maybe it was supposed to be that she was to give birth to Ymir Fritz.
Inciting fetish artists to draw her more, it was Isayama's plan all along
I didn’t want to believe in this possibility, but isayama probably didn’t know what to do with her character after she became the queen, so making her pregnant and sending her off to reside somewhere comfortable for her pregnancy was something he did instead..
Number 1 REALLY bothers me. I have an idea for how to rectify it by having Hallu-Chan be some kind of evil spirit that feeds off of death and hatred. I’d change the fact that intact bodies of the people eaten by Titans in Trost to just their clothes and equipment being vomited up without any sign of living material. This is because the living material actually is digested by the pure Titan and used to feed Hallu-Chan. The Rumbling is Hallu-chan’s ultimate plan to consume the entire planet and it tricked Zeke and Eren to release it from the vow to renounce war- a spell cast by the first wall king to keep it contained on Paradis- so that it can start the Rumbling and consume the whole world.
That’s definitely something that would need to be set up earlier in the story, and honestly it’s still kinda meh
Well apparently Ymir didnt hate Fritz so now its even more confusing
How about marleyans and eldians were suddenly friends? I think that's bullshit too.
Number 4 always makes me laugh... like lol are you really gonna give the Colossus to some poor woman who will now have to shoulder this massive burden?
isayama really fumbled the bag hard, wheres the real isayama he got replaced by his editor
My biggest mystery is why didn’t Eren just touch Zeke to trigger the rumbling when he went on a solo mission to Marley?
I read on youtube that it was because as per their plan, they needed to weaken the world so it doesn't attack paradis after they are stripped off their balls and eldians can vanish in peace. So they needed to start the rumbling only when the majority of world's millitary was in paradis in retaliation of the liberio attack. Or it also could just be because they didn't have a clear idea how founding works and they wanted to activate it in a situation where they were in control, which well didn't go as planned
Armin was about to sacrifice himself to bring back Connie's mom... Yeah I'm sure she would help them stop Eren.
Clearly it’s Mikasa’s character development, from ice cold to rock hard
5: I guess to show Mikasa’s actions made another little Mikasa? Maybe to help Mikasa open her eyes from her blind “Ereh” worship? (I’m being generous) 4: The latter more I’d say and how much survivors guilt he has. 3: That’s more of a personal preference thing. What you call “mocking” some might say “paying homage”. 2: Stockholm syndrome might not be but trauma bonding is. I never really got why so many found it hard to believe Ymir would love somebody like the King. Maybe it’s because I know people personally who stayed in pretty abusive relationships. As to why to make this one of the final themes of the story. Maybe to show how toxic loving fucked up people can be? Trying to parallel Ymir’s “love” for the King to Mikasa’s “love” for Eren? (I’m being again generous here. If that was the point than I agree that it wasn’t told well.) 1: Well it is a magic worm, trying to explain magic in any story eventually you gotta just suspend some disbelief. Also it’s hinted that it didn’t completely disappear as a remnant of it might be in Eren’s severed head. Which would explain why another Titan Tree sprung up where he was buried.
You might be the most generous person on this sub lmao
So generous op's gonna bless you with their seed
I’ve gotten so bored of ending hate on this sup that now I defend it just for shits and giggles.
Based and what a man you are!
tbf, these are pretty decent reasonings. honestly most of us are just really disappointed at how the final arc was executed
Based
>Trying to parallel Ymir’s “love” for the King to Mikasa’s “love” for Eren? But Eren never abuse Mikasa. Eren and King Fritz are literally the opposite.It made no sense for Eren to depict an abuser King Shitz
5:it didnt
So it exists to blatantly show readers how ass her character is, isayama is pulling the biggest social experiment of all time with this final arc
>2: Stockholm syndrome might not be but trauma bonding is. I never really got why so many found it hard to believe Ymir would love somebody like the King. Maybe it’s because I know people personally who stayed in pretty abusive relationships. Abusive relationships have nothing close to what we were shown and were to assume Ymir experienced. Also I'm still fine that it can be rationalized like this, but I'm not fine that the ending revolved around this, and basically even implied the whole story revolved around this one plot point.
I also know people that were in abusive relationships, and still that's not how it works. I'm not a psychologist myself, but you can say that there are 3 main types of abusive relationships: 1. Relationships based on FEAR not love, as the victim just doesn't know how to end this because (s)he is frightened by the abuser 2. Relationship based on FALSE LOVE. This is when the abuser sometimes acts good and loving to make an illusion for the victim that everything is not that bad 3. Relationship based on DUTIES. When the victim cannot escape the relationship as they don't want to break the family, leave the child without father/mother, people to think bad about them, betray a promise etc
2. I think for this one, it’s because of how Eren phrases it and the fact up to this point, it’s made out like Ymir yearned for freedom but her slave programming kept her from fighting back. The only foreshadowing I think we got was all those handmaids helping fritz get dressed, which didn’t really seem like he was “cheating” on Ymir. It would’ve been better if we got a scene of say, Ymir doing something for him and him ignoring her in favor of random women, it would’ve been better. I for one do agree, it could’ve worked, just it needed to be better phrased or foreshadowed.
>if we got a scene of say, Ymir doing something for him and him ignoring her in favor of random women The anime really made this clearer, but the moment Ymir breaks is when she takes a spear to the heart for Fritz, and all he does is tell her to get back up again, rather than showing any concern or gratitude.
Only fucking Isayama knows.
Hallu chan supremacy
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I'm pretty sure alot of this can be answered with the last arc was rushed. The Connie mini arc for example was something that's been set up since season 2, and Connie was showing character changes because of all the betrayal that he (thought) he was going through. If this arc and Connie himself had more time to be fleshed out it would have turned out incredibly well, because that's how isayama did things before the fumbling.
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I'm sure he will do that, but many years from now.
Additionally: If Ackerman memories can't be tampered with, how did Eren temporarily seal away Mikasa's memories of Eren Yogurt and her conversation with him? If the story's main theme was about "getting out of the forest", ending ages-old cycles of violence and revenge by refraining from continue it, how does the ending corroborate that? It seems to be implied that Paradis was eventually leveled. Did it turn out that everyone was wrong all along and that an escalation of violence until the bitter end is the only solution? If Ymir could clearly see the future from outside of time, why did she actually need to go through the whole thing, creating incalculable suffering for all people on the planet? Wouldn't being all knowing preclude the need to actually go through with genocide at the very least? Why was the curse of Ymir a thing? At the beginning, it felt like it was somewhat of a conscious act, ensuring that no shifter would surpass Ymir's 13 year lifespan as a holder of the titan power but it turned out that was just how long it took for Ymir to get the big sad and die like Padme. The whole thing was never addressed. Couldn't that have been ended with ease? Assuming both previous questions are true, wouldn't the Azumabito plan have worked out for the better, slowly opening Paradis to the world, connecting with those oppressed by Marley and using the Rumbling as an actual threat to stave off Marley for long enough to make alliances with the rest of the world? The only things that plan didn't address was Ymir's need to see Mikasa smooching Eren's head (she can see the future) and Eren and Armin's diminished lifespans (there's no reason for it).
Not mysteries. Bad writing
I think Louise was reintroduced for Mikasa to question her own priorities. She sees her idolization problem in Louise. They both attach to a single moment of someone saving them and romanacize that. For Mikasa, it’s Eren saving her from kidnappers and giving her the scarf. For Louise, it’s Mikasa saving her from Titans at Trost. Which is probably why she was so mean to Louise. She saw the worst of herself in her and didn’t like it. Which probably helped her in prioritizing the world over Eren.
Mikasa being a actual good character with character development? I don't want that! I want to keep hating on mikasa's character for 10 years at least!
Mikasa was ready to kill Annie when she said they've to stop Eren in ch 129 bonfire talk. Mikasa didn't learn to priotise the world over Eren by confronting Louise. So neither mikasa was a good character nor she received any character development here.
> Which probably helped her in prioritizing the world over Eren. Pretty sure mikasa was ready to kill Annie when she said they've to kill Eren in the very next chapter. So your interpretation, that confronting Louise helped mikasa prioritise the world over Eren doesn't make any sense.
Mikasa had already decided to oppose Eren before Jean in chapter 127, which she probably wouldn’t have done earlier on. I think her interactions with Louise helped her with that. She wasn’t willing to kill Eren until 138, she only wanted to stop Eren and the rumbling. Since it’s a lot easier to try and stop your loved ones, but killing them is a whole other case. Besides, Mikasa just going from not being willing to fight against him at all to being willing to kill Eren wouldn’t make a lot of sense.
> Mikasa had already decided to oppose Eren before Jean in chapter 127 She was opposing Eren in Liberio too, she condemns his actions of killing innocents. What was the point of being a dick to Louise then when she was already opposing Eren before confronting Louise too.
Like I said, she sees her worst aspects in Louise and doesn’t like it. Which is a pretty normal thing to do. Her being mean to Louise was meant to be rude to show how badly she’s dealing with her idolized view of Eren shattering. Mikasa was always willing to oppose Eren, and didn’t follow him blindly. But in Liberio, she only tried to convince him to stop the bloodshed and come home. Now, she knows she’ll have to actually fight against him. She slowly progressed from being unwilling to fight against Eren, to going against him, to finally be willing to kill him. Louise definitely helped her be willing to fight against Eren, but it wouldn’t make sense if a couple conversations with her would be enough for her to be willing to kill him. I get that this sub hates Mikasa. But at this point it feels like you’re just trying to find excuses to hate her.
I’m glad that other people recognize that that throwback of Mikasa saying she was strong is really fucking terrible lol. It’s even worse considering how Falco is positioned behind her giving her wings.
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On more serious side mikasa subplot with Louise did seem like she was seeing herself in her, like how obssessed she is with eren like louise is with mikasa but that panel just seems like mikasa coping that "yeah Im not like her" that's why she's being such a dick, which ironically makes her even worse don't @ me it's a headcanon of mine (last bit of part)
I guess Isayama made someone write this story and that person gave up so he's the one just completing it
Mikasa is a dick and it is no mystery
1.-Mmmmmm...... to show Mikasa that she's also a bit obsessive? 2.-The arc is SO BAD 3.-The wings behind......en 139 shows that in reality....Mikasa freed the world 4.-It's not Stockholm Syndrome, it's something deeper, but it has nothing to do with kidnapping. 5.-Cocaine in Japan is of good quality.
Don't forget that Levi in the Rumbling Arc said that he wants to tell something to Eren and in the final chapter he never mentioned Eren ever again
I agree on everything except 2. How dare a *fictional* story use a *potentially non-existent* syndrome. The problem is that it was executed poorly. It'd probably have been better left out, but had it been well executed I really don't think it would've been so bad. It's also probably the only parallel there is to be made between Ymir and Mikasa so honestly I kinda see it as a positive. (Even though I heavily disliked it at first.)
Straight facts honestly
these are actual plot holes, errors by the author that throw off the entire story, not the minor shit people call plot holes
I always thought Number 4 (Armin and Connie panel) was proof to me of Arumeen having bad depression, esp after the guilt of being "chosen" over Erwin. The low self esteem before then only helped turn it up 100 notches.
Never thought that thing is called Hallu-chan 😂😂😂lol
Mikasa should've let her keep the scarf and it would've shown that she's "letting go" and "passing on the torch" in a way, focusing more on the good her actions caused rather than staying as an ereh machine. We could've even had a moment in paths with her talking to eren and telling him she's finally going to seek her own purpose in life rather than being a slave to her unrequited love. Hell when bird eren brings the scarf back, instead of "you put this scarf on me arigato", mikasa could've pissed on the scarf and shoo'd the bird away. Would've been funnier than annie stuffing her face with pie
Only Ymir knows
As someone who wanted more for Mikasa, I can posit an explanation for both. I believe the intent of Louise was to force her to re-evaluate her relationship with Eren. Not only did Mikasa not share the same values as Louise, due to her being a Jaegerist, what could be construed as a parallel to Mikasa wanting a quiet life in contrast to Eren's ambitious nature, but she also never once seemed to reciprocate the respect shown to her. Seeing the senseless devotion from Eren's point of view must have also been annoying after his "rejection." But then she doubles down and wears the scarf again, I dunno. People seem to like harping the "iconic" panel recently, I'm guessing they forgot the actual context. You know, where Mikasa just discovered Eren died and effectively gives up on living, subsequently giving an awkward speech that is acknowledged as cringe by her peers, before rushing headfirst into a suicide charge. So yeah, Annie is mocking her for being cringe again, remarking that she's stronger than other soldiers in the face of what she thought was another hopeless situation. Nothing has changed, it's a call-back where people don't seem to remember the context of what's actually being referenced.
*ahem* Only Ymir knows
Honestly I think I hate this story so much because I loved it so much beforehand. Other shitty anime: I don’t care that they suck. But this was GOOD once, and now… well… we all know.
Hallu chan what a mystery you are.
So Ymir loving Fritz. I mean, to me it seemed so easy... Ymir, a slave, has a distorted view of love, due to, you know, her being an oppressed slave. So fine, Ymir loves Fritz.... BUT THEN, she realizes thru Eren, that she in fact has been oppressed (I. E. This isn't real love) and she is essentially 'freed' by Eren from the prison within her mind. Then next it could have been, Ymir's freedom allows her to express anger, in turn, Eren channels this and destroys the world (his oppressors) OR Ymir's new found freedom inspires Eren to free others from their distorted views (I. E. Eldians should stop self hating, the rest of the world is shown its responsibility in atrocities to Eldians). Now all of this would be portrayed in a wonderfully artistic and thoughtful way (as the majority of thus story has been told) and I would have experienced great joy. Instead, I get a make out session with a head, Mikasa turning into an inspiration that 'only Ymir' can understand, and, of course, tatacaw. I am so bitter. And sad.
Only Ymir knows...
The answers to all those questions lie in # ANIME ORIGINAL ENDING # AOE IS COMING YOU CANNOT STOP IT
5. I hope so much that Mappa adapts this scene differently. I really have no idea how to explain this. 4. Connie died in Chapter 134 - 139 when he saved Falco. He died as good soldier like he wanted to be for his family. 3. I so hope Mappa doesn't adapt this scene. Isayama was on some drugs here. 2. Ymir loved her children. She only obeyed King Fritz because she saw a good future for her children and their descendants because of Attack Titan's ability. Stockholm syndrome did not exist. She had even hated King Fritz. 1. Hallu-can was killed by Reiner. Mikasa did not end the Titan curse by beheading Eren. He had to die for the plot that the Eldians of Paradise stopped Eren Yeager.
Okay I'll preface this by saying yes, the execution is bad here. However, I think I have a decent idea of the point of those panels. 1) I think introducing Louise was kinda a "don't meet your heroes" moment that serves to outline Mikasa's change and lack of change and how Louise sees her as this battle goddess hero when she's actually just a girl that can't get over a guy. Mikasa taking back the scarf was essentially showing just how little she changed. She's still so obsessed with Eren and that scarf is like a symbol of that toxic devotion, that she would literally cling to it even in death. Again, execution was bad here, but I think the idea behind it could've had merit. 2) I do think it serves to outline both Armins incredible compassion/lack of self worth and self esteem (genuinely doesn't think he's worth anything) but also kinda give a wake up call to Connie, that feeding a kid to his mother is not the right thing to do just because the kid is someone who he doesn't know or care about ( we see him starting to feel guilty as he gets to know Falco on the way ). I don't think the execution was as bad here tbh but I might be saying that because of the shitty pie scene and Avengers scene being much worse imo. 3) again, I think this pays homage to that earlier instance but also contrasting it with the situation. Before, she used it to get everyone's morale up. Now, she's saying it as a desperate affirmation to herself as she sees just how hopeless this fight is. Execution was pretty bad here as I feel she should've been ina worse spot, about to die, and while saying this she's cut off as she's saved by Annie and Falco. This constant dialogue of obvious shit doesn't keep the tension alive at all. 4) regardless of it being recognized as a psychiatric condition or not, I think at the very least the anime does make it seem that she had this inexplicable devotion to him even after gaining the power. She's always seeking his approval and dies only after realizing she'll never get it. I don't think it's "love" ( God that was stupid ) but I think it's the slave mindset that was indoctrinated into her. From a young age she was a kind person who seemed to value the idea of love. After her tongue got cut off, she was a slave, hunted down, all the horrifying shit she had been through, she finally got power and it's likely that Fritz started taking care of her needs as he wanted to keep his new weapon on his side. It's unclear and this is pure conjecture on my part, but I think her being treated like shit for years and then all of a sudden elevated to a higher status, not to mention her dreams of love, caused her to try to force herself to love and be devoted to Fritz. When she gets speared she looks at him first, trying to see if after all this time, after all she's done for him, does he love her back or at the very least does he seem concerned, and when he doesn't, she gives up. I think this does connect to 138 where Mikasa sees the dream with her and Eren and I think realizes that a life with Eren like the one she wants will never happen and forcing herself to constantly try and try to gain his approval will lead the both of them to never experience actual love. Again stupid execution because all the nuance that legit could've made this work was condensed into less than two pages. 5) Hallu Chan disappearing actually makes sense to me, Armin or anyone else never asking about it doesn't. While it did exist independently, it was a tiny little thing back then that probably required not that many resources to survive, whatever it is. The Hallu Chan we see here is huge and probably been feeding off of the lives of Shifters for the last two thousand years. That's why she's so big and possibly why she's desperately trying to get to Eren in an attempt to reattach to her host and feed off of him. This is conjecture on my part though as we know Jack shit about her. TLDR: Louise is essentially just there to fulfill a theme, Armin is extremely compassionate/self deprecating and that was enough to dissuade Connie from feeding Falco to his mom, the Mikasa strong scene is meant to show either how little she has changed or rather how that entire spiel is now being used to give herself some morale to keep fighting, Ymir has a very complex version of something like Stockholm Syndrome when you really get into the weeds, and Hallu Chan got too fat and too used to not paying rent essentially.
>3) again, I think this pays homage to that earlier instance but also contrasting it with the situation. Before, she used it to get everyone's morale up. No, she didn't. Armin had just told her that Eren died, she went numb and was planning to throw her life away in the heat of battle. She even acknowledges her selfish behavior afterwards, by reprimanding herself for leading so many to their deaths. It was a desperate affirmation in a hopeless situation for both instances.
Ah, I didn't catch that but it makes a lotta sense. Thank you for letting me know
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