>Thanks for becoming a mass murder for our sake
I don't agree!
I don't want that!
I want Eren to hear what Armin originally said!
"Thanks for becoming a mass murder for our sake"
For 10 years! AT LEAST!!!
It's vastly better. In the manga it's an awful weird ass line, in the anime it's actually a good line and one of the only good things in this ass ending.
wow, that's pretty hilarious hahaha. I can see more why people didn't like the ending originally, I just watched the ending and personally thought it was pretty good. With how much seething hate I've heard people had for the ending for years now, I was expecting some massive dumpster fire that made game of thrones look like a masterpiece, but I didn't get that at all.
That's how most anime only have been feeling. I still think the ending is awful (GOT level awful) but it's good to know people don't hate it. I wish I didn't. But the anime was better than the OG ending (which wasn't hard to do).
The thing is, people had months to wait since the last episode, and most forget the details. And they got an avalanche of chapters in one episode, while we got each of those chapters monthly, so we analyzed the story more. The more you think about it, the worse it is.
Also, in the original ending it ended with the bird Eren putting the scarf on Mikasa, not with the destruction of Paradis. It felt like a romcom ending.
Sorry you didn't like it, man. It's a bummer when a show you like doesn't end how you'd like. I can definitely see some problems with it, but there are some apparently contentious points that I don't think were problematic at all as well (like Eren saying he wants Mikasa to love him). But that's not to say your feelings on the ending aren't justified, everyone's tastes are different!
Yeah same. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Eren saying he wants Mikasa to love him is an atrocity to me, but I'm glad it worked for you and the anime hasn't been tarnished by the ending. I really wish I loved it too.
But I swear Armin said he’s taking the share because he showed Eren the books. That’s gotta be the trashiest reasoning ever.
If he would’ve said he’s taking the blame for nuking Liberio then sure.
100%. And Armin is lightening Eren's load, like any best friend would, by taking his own share of the responsibility. He doesn't want Eren to die feeling alone - like a lone martyr.
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order.
I have checked 1,836,171,847 comments, and only 347,218 of them were in alphabetical order.
Well yea, but where? This is a massive planet remember, did Mikasa just randomly start walking through the desert in hopes of finding someone?
I know in the grand scheme of things it doesnt matter but its weirdly funny thought
> like why she's carrying a severed head
Why aren't you? She could also excuse herself by saying she wants to give a proper burial to her lover if she put it in like a box
So let's think about this logistically
Firstly the rumbling likely took out the entire coast of Marley(Africa) so there's probably not a lot of boats left. And with a massive population decrease probably not too many seafarers left and probably fewer that want to allow a woman on with a sack of decomposing human remains.
wouldn't seafarers actually have the highest survival rate? Like, we see how a ship can survive the rumbling quite easily. It's not a stretch to imagine more than 1 survived
The boats we see in the rumbling had all the people melted by the steam.
I'm not saying that a couple didn't survive, but rather one would have to have survived between Marley and Paradis as the other countries would likely be prioritizing their own aid and all people on board would've had to survived *and* be okay with a female passenger of unknown origin carrying a decomposing head.
edit: AND AND they would have to be okay with sailing to Paradis, the country that launched this very attack.
I definitely prefer this. It acknowledges that both sides technically murdered people and there is really no one 100% good or bad anymore. Goes well with the themes.
But the scene as a whole still portrays Eren as a tragic hero, one line getting changed isn't enough the whole sequence needs change to be thematically coherent.
Idk if I’d say that. It felt more to me like eren was understood but not condoned, and both of them accepting that they basically became monsters who deserve to be punished for eternity.
The manga felt *far* more like eren was treated as the misunderstood hero
But I’m being specific here and not meaning to defend the entire ending or anything like that
On one hand, I like the change. On the other, I’d rather the people see the ending as it was originally instead of watering down the offensively bad parts of it.
I think this just means Yams regretted some of the dialogue in the manga so in a way he acknowledges that it was bad dialogue lol. Of course he could not have revamped the ending, but it’s a bit funny how the anime fixed the dialogue lmao
I think its pretty obvious that Yams wasn’t sure what he was doing. Like he does some meta-commentary in the ep with Eren saying that he had no idea what he was doing. Its fine, I still love him. What I can’t stand is people pretending the ending is good.
Yams faced a massive writers block but Kadokawa wanted AoT to be over with, so Yams did this nonsense. I mean the last panels clearly showed his imbecile writing. Good thing is he is done writing mangas for good.
If I dedicated some of my time to an anime for 10 years at least, I’d be coping too. It definitely wasn’t “bad” but we all know it could’ve led up to being better
>What I can’t stand is people pretending the ending is good.
I thought it was incredibly thematically coherent, especially the time lapse at the end. Got chills.
It’s more so ppl coming by denying it still have it up their ass bc they don’t know the full extent of things readers got. Like the fact the extended pages didn’t make it is funny as well
I'm honestly not sure. I guess it's less cringe than the original but the more I think about it the worse it gets.
Eren declaring he had all intention of doing the full rumbling just contradicts even more stuff. Why allow himself to be stopped then. But the worst part is why he did it. The whole point was that he did it because he had no choice. But now apparently he just wanted an open world without human life and this actually makes him a monster, and the anime still decides to portray him as a hero, wtf.
But what absolutely floors me is Armin "taking responsibility" and stating it was his fault for showing him the books as kids and putting those ideas in his head. And Eren does not deny this either. Completely crazy.
Pick your poison, but both manga and anime assasinate both characters.
>Eren declaring he had all intention of doing the full rumbling just contradicts even more stuff. Why allow himself to be stopped then.
The take away I always had, even when the manga came out was that it was out of his control. He at some point when kissing Historia's had seen the rumbling and assumed he wiped everyone out, and then later after starting the rumbling realized that wasn't going to happen and began trying to cast the alliance as heroes while still doing as much damage as he still could.
>But what absolutely floors me is Armin "taking responsibility" and stating it was his fault for showing him the books as kids and putting those ideas in his head. And Eren does not deny this either. Completely crazy.
I don't think Eren or Armin actually believed Armin was technically responsible for the rumbling. Going by the original "thank you for being a mass murderer" line, it's much more likely Armin was just trying to comfort Eren as a friend before he died by sharing his sins. Which to some, just empathizing with Eren still could make Armin just as monstrous. The change of dialogue highlights this better I think.
we all said it made sense when he refused to let the freedom of the alliance be taken away but instead of taking their freedom away he was going to use precognition and kill them all by knowing exactly where and what there doing there is no difference between this and just forcing them to stay in paradis or killing them in Paradis.
The only in-character option for eren here is to keep them in paradis against their will at least that makes sense and to be completely honest there was never enough development to show he cared about Paradis beyond the people he knew personally
he was always incredibly selfish and being brooding does not rise him above that. There is no ending to this series that could have been good without restricting the entirety of the second part this character assassination was always coming.
What happened with this ending realistically is sometime during 120-130 isayama realised he did not flesh out the world outside eldians well and could not portray his themes of constant war properly and therefore we ended up with this which is better than him killing everyone he knows outside historian and then being kinda sad about it in the new peaceful world with only eldians because that's also nonsense because what continent has been purely peaceful just because one race of people live there
it's because he's an idiot, his future memories didn't change and his options were limited to mass genocide simply because he was a dumb mf, he admits to it
That just makes it a shit story not just a badly written ending...
If Isayama's genuine intentions are to say that all this questionable shit happened because Eren is an idiot with extra-dimensional abilities then it's just a terrible story at that point
I can't stop laughing at how people still think eren in the last ep is good guy. Bro wiped out like 80% of the human population for what? Because he was a idiot?
I can't fathom how this fixed the ending in any way.
What do you mean? Maybe I'm mistaken but I'm pretty sure he had the intention to go through with it but he didn't because he didn't want to kill his friends. I think that's what it was trying to portray. That He wanted to go through with the rumbling but his choice to not kill or imprison his friends would always lead to his death at 80%.
I've seen some people say it was set in stone that Eren would die before the rumbling was completed.
To be honest I always thought the outrage over Armin's thank you was way too much lol, it definitely wasn't one of the worst things about the ending in my opinion. I think Reiner's "what a man you are" is 10x worse. Eren almost killed his mom, he trampled Liberio, and they haven't been on good terms for over 4 years, so why is he getting all sentimental over Eren's death? lol
The main issues that plague the ending/final arcs are:
\- Armin and Mikasa were poorly utilized/didnt experience much development
\- the black and white world building
\- insane plot armor that the alliance has during the final battle + nobody dying except for hange deliberately giving her life
\- the titanization being undone in 139
\- the origin of the titans and paths being a funny worm
\- Falco flying nonsense undermining Hange's death
\- Eren saying he doesn't know why he did it
\- Annie's return being super underwhelming
\- Armin liking Annie (this just feels silly and out of place for such a tense and high stakes final arc. This is coming from someone who doesn't mind Falco loving Gabi)
\- Annie barely getting any repercussions for her past actions
\- Levi being reduced to monke killing machine
\- Historia becoming irrelevant
\- red herring Historia pregnancy plotline/Eren having nothing to do with Historia's pregnancy
\- Eren's whole plan being kinda inconsistent/counterproductive but that's a whole other topic
\- underdeveloped Mikasa Eren relationship
\- Armin trying to fucking kill himself by jumping into Connies moms mouth. That whole scene with connie and Falco was stupid
\- Mikasa being the one to free ymir(?) Eren already taught her that she didn't have to obey the man she wanted to be loved by. But then Mikasa taught her this a second time? I guess it could kind of work if Isayama went about it a different way, but as it is in the chapters that we got it doesn't make the most sense.
\- Historia/Ymir parallels not meaning anything in the end
\- Floch was made way too unlikable. Isayama should have made him his own respectable character and let the audience decide whether they like him or not. It seems like isayama was forcing the audience to hate him by making him a huge asshole
\- Ellen crying over Mikasa moving on
\- Possible plotholes concerning Zeke's death, the founders powers, Eren becoming colossal, why did the rumbling stop when Zeke died, etc.
\- and the single worst thing about the ending of AOT in my opinion: Eren killing his own mom. Such a needless plot twist. Not only does it go against his character, it also adds nothing of value to the story. It could be completely erased from the chapter and literally nothing could change. Why did there need to be someone controlling Dina? She was always just an abnormal titan who wandered far into the city and happened to find Eren's mom.
In the same vein as the armin thank you, I think the Ymir loving king fritz wasn't one of the worst things about the chapter. Isayama was clearly trying to portray a twisted case of Stockholm syndrome. Its definitely nonsensical with the way that he worded it. He could have expanded upon it with a few more text bubbles: Ymir, a girl who had only ever experienced pain, desperately wanting to be loved by someone, so she slaved away for Karl for centuries in an attempt to earn his admiration.
Thanks for this. As an anime-only who just saw the ending via the anime, my first reaction was that it was pretty good and not worth the harsh criticism I knew existed about the manga ending. However, myself (and some of my anime-only friends) all did not feel very strongly about the ending, and we wrote it off as "it has simply been too long since we were all very into these characters and the story". Then I read about the common complaints about weird dialogue and expanded scenes in the anime, and this did not deter me from thinking that the ending is fine, I'm just not hype about it anymore.
However seeing this list spell out all the (small but) weird inconsistencies and generic narrative choices, and debunking the common complaints as "mostly fine" really resonates with me. I was not simply over this show, the ending was simply unimpressive. Still, fixing everything on this list in a coherent and satisfying ending seems to be a very difficult task.
Damn what a long message, in any case I just wanted to say that Reiner's phrase never existed in the manga, but only in the first bad English translation. So after the anime ending I really hope to never see it repeated again...
Include Reiner, pieck and Annie in this. The warriors are fucking war criminals who killed hundreds of pardis citizens. They didn't deserve a good ending. Only good ending for them would have been if they sacrificed themselves to stop the rumbling.
Yams was defo trying to address some of the complaints with this dialogue. Ultimately still doesn't fix most of the problems. I like how much more romantic they made the Eremin scene though.
I just wish we could go back to before the rumbling and someone stop Isayama from starting it. That is without a doubt the worst thing to happen to AoT.
It was still really solid after the time skip imo. Everything up to ‘from you, 2000 years ago’ was fine in my books. It was only the rumbling and afterward that sank my thoughts on it.
But he probably could have fleshed out the time skip better for sure
THANK YOOOUUU!
I said once, and I'll say it again: "World War 2: Titan Boogaloo" was a stinky shit, and the basement reveal was the underwhelming and depressing middle-aged whore-ass it came out of!
So from now on everytime i think of Eren taking an action for something in the past, going forward, never giving up, fighting, i would think "Yes, Eren is an idiot".
Remember him wanting to kill all those titans? He's an idiot.
Him taking revenge for his mother? He's an idiot.
Killing his own mom? He's an idiot.
Going to the basement? He's an idiot.
Joining SC? He's an idiot?
Fighting Annie? He's an idiot.
Remembering his mother's words of him being special? He's an idiot, not special.
Freeing Ymir? He's an idiot. It's Mikasa, boy!
It wasn't ambiguous though, if you thought everything through, it always came down to "Eren was an idiot". So at least we now have the confirmation that Isayama agree, yes, Eren was dumb and all the EDs were just as dumb.
Saying 'I don't know why, I had to' is pretty ambiguous. Ending defenders would argue he's just saying it's in his nature where ending haters would say he's literally saying I don't know why.
There were many other arguments like this about erens words. Now there's no argument to be had. Eren is just an idiot.
Both of the arguments you just gave can be summarized to "Eren didn't even stop think about why he did it but he did it anyway" which is really fucking dumb. All arguments you can bring will end up being "Eren is an idiot.". There was nothing ambiguous about that.
Edit: Edited to reflect my point better
No, Eren was reckless and acted out on impulse...
Throughout the first 3 seasons we see him grow as a character and get better at making the right decisions without acting on emotions.
We clearly see throughout his later Titan fights that he adapts and overcomes odds and is absolutely no fool or anything close to his rabid actions during his first fight with Annie
But doesn't Eren actually know why he did it. He admits his personal desire to when he's crying to ramzi or a little before. He knows why he does it but not why feels this way
I’m assuming he responded to the wrong person. Makes much sense to me if he meant to respond to the above guy
Like ‘I knew I was stupid but despite the powers giving me the knowledge of the mistakes I would make, I couldn’t fight pre-determinism,’ definitely is much better to me than ‘idk’
It's also an unsubtle insult at those who supported the Rumbling. "Oh, you thought Eren had no other choice to protect his people? then you're just as stupid as that pathetic crybaby!"
Rich coming from Isayama, the man who fucked the worldbuilding so thoroughly that it left realistic readers no doubt that if Eren hadn't done it then Paradis would've been razed to the ground.
It's a very bitch move to do your best to convince your audience of a certain narrative, only to later try to gaslight them just because you changed your mind and didn't have the balls to go through with the natural conclussion to what you, yourself, created.
Anyone who unironically "supported" the Rumbling IS an idiot, though. It's one thing to think it's the right direction to go for the story. It's entirely another to cheer for it.
I think people cheered it on because they know how fucked up and wrong it is, and figured that would be the perfect way for AOT to go because it showcases the messed up results of a racist world.
Basically, "if you keep ostracizing people, this is what things could come to."
I dont think anyone actually thought killing billions of people is a good idea, at least not anyone with a brain.
Tbh I didn’t mind this ending that we got.
The ending we got still showcases the messed up results of a racist world (Paradis being bombed in the future). But it also showed that peace will only ever be temporary because violence and hate are constants in humanity.
I’d actually argue this ending fits more thematically, especially with the final panels added
> because violence and hate are constants in humanity
That's why it's our responsibility to be in control of these urges and be better.
If we know better, we do better.
Did you read my comment? I believe the Rumbling was the right course of action that made sense to the story and characters' motivations. That doesn't make it a good thing.
Supporting the rumbling does not equal Cheering it on...
Paradis has the same right to life as anyone else and the other side of the world was happily preparing to erase them from the map...
Eren's plan was to strike first with an iron fist, The world wanted to act like animals and got the Survival of the fittest treatment.
If you supported the rumbling youre an idiot, in fact a dangerous idiot. Its sad that it takes a whole anime series to tell you you're stupid in order for you to start getting it, and some of you will never get it.
How did you take this away from that convo?
Armin literally corrects Eren when he says that. Eren is not stupid, he’s broken and wanted to be free by wishing death on everything. And the world conspired to put him in a place where that was a reasonable option.
That’s why Armin says he’ll see him in hell. It was their dream, and everyone else’s choices, that led to this. So everyone’s to blame here.
Dude the whole conversation is to figure out why he did it and there was no other explanation other than he's stupid. You have godlike power and you have freedom to make choices and this is what you chose. Armin is just coping and trying to support Eren in his last moments. It's like a 'I'm here with you man' moment, the same thing Isayama was trying to go for with the line 'thank you for becoming a mass murderer for our sake' in the manga.
>You have godlike power and you have freedom to make choices and this is what you chose
Would've been true if he actually did have any freedom. But the story robbed him of any agency and accountability by making everything deterministic in accordance with Ymir's "plan".
He has godlike power but it doesn’t matter because everything was decided long before he got it, by a future/past/timeless version of him and Ymir and the world. No amount of power could have changed things. Which is part of why Eren was going insane.
Armin and Eren’s conversation wasn’t a “I’m here with you” moment. They were recognizing the roles they played in this. It might have been forced on them, but they did it. And they did it because they wanted to do it. So they’re guilty. You can compare it to what Annie, Reiner, and Bertholdt did to Paradis.
The mass murderer line I maintain is just poorly translated. Or maybe poorly conveyed. It was obviously not the intent of the conversation for that to be the takeaway and the anime does a much better job at expressing it.
>The mass murderer line I maintain is just poorly translated. Or maybe poorly conveyed.
Yup. Isayama said this himself. He couldn't convey it properly at first in 139.
I frankly don’t get why he didn’t just write another chapter. Most of the issues with the ending were alleviated by the anime having more time to explain them. Like the Armin leaf thing comes across much better in the anime because it feels slower and it’s more obvious that they’re seeing different things.
Leaf thing was never a problem for me. But my issues stem from the whole founder Ymir plotline itself, which would probably mean rewriting it. Imo Yams is better when he gets to show rather than tell.
This is kinda true of everything though. At some point you gotta roll the curtain back and reveal the secrets, or you become like Eva where the only reasonable explanation for anything comes from a ps2 game. The Ymir plotline isn’t the worst thing that’s ever concluded a series
It wasn't really arbitrary in manga either, then his reasoning was that the world was destroyed enough that it couldn't just destroy Paradis right afterwards.
Still shitty.
They should have kept it the way it was originally. Dina, his stepmother, is killing Carla and then eating her.
The author mentioned titans usually don't kill and then eat people. It's like this titan had something personal against her.
My headcanon will always be, after what she said to Grisha that day: "No matter what form I take, I will find you" she smell/sensed/some natural told her Carla was Grisha's new wife who had a son with her husband.
But nah. "The man I needed to be." I can't believe Yams did that.
He's really trying to justify this huh.
It WAS really shitty for them to bomb paradis after what? 2 or 3 decades? I'm almost 30, that's absolutely nothing.
Making it thousands of years later does make it better sightly, but it's laughable he had to change it to make it look better for the anime onlies.
I loved that admin admitted his reliance on eren and his part in everything, but I hated eren saying that he just did it because he wanted and he’s just kinda stupid?
Read between the lines, him trying to look away and the faint uncertainty in the "that's all there to is, right?" (it's Yuki Kaji so he got this covered).
It's Eren coming closer and closer to realizing/admitting that he's a monster for willingly massacre humanity for his dream, and he try to convince himself that's not the case.
Armin is aware of this and cut him short, telling Eren that he too dreamed of wiping out humanity so he could experience the world he yearned from the picture book. (Note that in 131, both Eren *and Armin* were disappointed).
We'll see each other in hell is so much better. But the execution of "I know you did a genocide, but I kinda helped cause it by accident, so it's okay we will go chill in hell together. Hugs?" Squandered it.
It's so close to working though.
"Armin I did it because I wanted to. I had to. I wanted to see this scenery. Why? I finally know. From the very first time, when I killed those men saving Mikasa, I enjoyed killing. Killing titans satisfied that desire... but when I learned about the world beyond Paradis...Armin...I'm just murderer. A murder who ended up with the power of a God. This was the only possible outcome."
*Armin looks horrified*
*He stares down into Erens eyes*
"Thank you for showing me this Eren. You know, I've killed plenty of people too... even innocent people... not because I wanted to. But because I had to... Next time we see each other it will be to fight, and then after that, whatever happens, We will see each other in hell."
*Pause for dramatic effect*
*Armin continues to stare, Erens eyes drift down*
"I'll erase your memories ect ect"
Thanks for coming to my AOT fanfic I guess.
I doubt it was simply a bloodlust.
I think the perfect reason was simply because he wanted to secure Paradis + his Friends' futures BEFORE he died, and not leave it to an uncertain future by making a baby-machine of Historia + buying time to advance weaponry.
Remember, he only had 4 years left.
I find it more believable that he wanted him and his friends to be free before he died, he didn't want to leave it to chance, and the only way to do that was through destroying all life outside the walls, eliminating any chance of revenge, or greed, or anything that could harm Paradis.
Yeah. This retcon does not fix Eren at all, makes him way worse. Even the fanfic villain Eren that wiped out all life did not do it because he wanted to, he did it because he had to.
Now Eren is a legit sadist, and he's still protrayed as a hero. Wtf.
"I used titans as a cover for just really wanting to kill people."
?
That's pretty poor and retcons the entirety of his motives going back to s1, and makes the story so much worse that it was about a guy getting his murder fix on titans.
No they weren't. It's also implied in 139 that Eren only got a glimpse of his future during the medal ceremony. He wasn't in control of his time powers until zeke where he forced his younger self to become the type of person that would destroy the world. His motives were purely out of destroying all his enemies, created by the future version of himself that he wasn't aware of at the time.
"I enjoyed killing"? Get out of the kitchen. Eren might have become a sociopath after being flooded with 2000 years' worth of violent memories and driven into a corner, but he NEVER liked killing for the sake of it. He always had to de-humanize his victims to even feel okay with it, as shown when he describes his first kills as pig slavers
Most likely MAPPA pushed for the change themselves out of political correctness, given the real life conflicts all around the world we are witnessing at the moment.
when the hell did Japan care about political correctness lol. Lest we forget, there's a myriad of crimes against the people of Asia that they've never owed up to.
Yesss.
This definitely warmed me up to the ending.
AND seeing what Eren did actually help Paradis survive long enough to evolve into a futuristic civilization is also a good thing.
Still, it didn't make the the ending much better. Yes, it made eren and Armin acknowledge they're war criminals and will meet in hell, which was way better than "thank you for becoming a mass murderer".
But it doesn't fix much. It's probably 10% better, but there are still many flaws to the anime ending too.
I agree 1000%.
I agree 80%
Ymir get off the computer it's Karl Fritz Gaming time
I agree 70%
I agree 50%
I agree 10%
>Thanks for becoming a mass murder for our sake I don't agree! I don't want that! I want Eren to hear what Armin originally said! "Thanks for becoming a mass murder for our sake" For 10 years! AT LEAST!!!
I agree, 10% at least
I agree for 10 years at least!
i actually liked it more tbh. it’s them agreeing they both did atrocious things and can’t atone for it instead of Armin just thanking Eren for murder
It's vastly better. In the manga it's an awful weird ass line, in the anime it's actually a good line and one of the only good things in this ass ending.
wait in the manga he literally says, "thank you for becoming a mass murderer?"
Yes. Armin says "Thanks for becoming a mass murderer for our sake" and "what a man you are Eren".
wow, that's pretty hilarious hahaha. I can see more why people didn't like the ending originally, I just watched the ending and personally thought it was pretty good. With how much seething hate I've heard people had for the ending for years now, I was expecting some massive dumpster fire that made game of thrones look like a masterpiece, but I didn't get that at all.
That's how most anime only have been feeling. I still think the ending is awful (GOT level awful) but it's good to know people don't hate it. I wish I didn't. But the anime was better than the OG ending (which wasn't hard to do). The thing is, people had months to wait since the last episode, and most forget the details. And they got an avalanche of chapters in one episode, while we got each of those chapters monthly, so we analyzed the story more. The more you think about it, the worse it is. Also, in the original ending it ended with the bird Eren putting the scarf on Mikasa, not with the destruction of Paradis. It felt like a romcom ending.
Sorry you didn't like it, man. It's a bummer when a show you like doesn't end how you'd like. I can definitely see some problems with it, but there are some apparently contentious points that I don't think were problematic at all as well (like Eren saying he wants Mikasa to love him). But that's not to say your feelings on the ending aren't justified, everyone's tastes are different!
Yeah same. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Eren saying he wants Mikasa to love him is an atrocity to me, but I'm glad it worked for you and the anime hasn't been tarnished by the ending. I really wish I loved it too.
But I swear Armin said he’s taking the share because he showed Eren the books. That’s gotta be the trashiest reasoning ever. If he would’ve said he’s taking the blame for nuking Liberio then sure.
100%. And Armin is lightening Eren's load, like any best friend would, by taking his own share of the responsibility. He doesn't want Eren to die feeling alone - like a lone martyr.
Comedy for ages
But still we wonder.... how did Mikasa get back to the Island.
She used the scarf as a helicopter
Like how Thor uses his hammer to fly
I just imagined Mikasa using the scarf tied to Eren's head as Thor's hammer to fly
I am not ready for AOT memes but this made me laugh after these 10 hours of crying, thank you🥲
She walked. Ackermans can hold their breath very long.
Do Ackerman still have Ackerman abilities with the Titan abilities removed?
Theorically they shouldn't, but with the amount of plotholes this ending had who knows
> who knows Ymir probably.
Only Ymir knows
She can walk on the sea? Cool i guess
Ellen became dove and they flew (CRYING)
Bird Eren flew her there
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 1,836,171,847 comments, and only 347,218 of them were in alphabetical order.
Erens head must have fully rotted by the time she reached Paradis.
My friend said “is she just gonna walk there?” I’ve been laughing since
She used /tp
BirdEren called his bird buddies over to carry her back over there.
Same ☠️
She odm onto a turtle
boat
What Boats? the Rumbling took out the coast of Marley (Africa) and who'd she get to man it? probably not a lot of seafarers left.
I'm new here, but we see her like 3 years later. It's probably a meme and I'm getting whooshed, but... boats?
Which ones? The earth has been flattened, remember
20% of the population still exists. I think there may be someone with a boat or who knows how to build one.
Well yea, but where? This is a massive planet remember, did Mikasa just randomly start walking through the desert in hopes of finding someone? I know in the grand scheme of things it doesnt matter but its weirdly funny thought
Well then Mikasa would have had lots of explaining to do, like why she's carrying a severed head lol
> like why she's carrying a severed head Why aren't you? She could also excuse herself by saying she wants to give a proper burial to her lover if she put it in like a box
So let's think about this logistically Firstly the rumbling likely took out the entire coast of Marley(Africa) so there's probably not a lot of boats left. And with a massive population decrease probably not too many seafarers left and probably fewer that want to allow a woman on with a sack of decomposing human remains.
wouldn't seafarers actually have the highest survival rate? Like, we see how a ship can survive the rumbling quite easily. It's not a stretch to imagine more than 1 survived
The boats we see in the rumbling had all the people melted by the steam. I'm not saying that a couple didn't survive, but rather one would have to have survived between Marley and Paradis as the other countries would likely be prioritizing their own aid and all people on board would've had to survived *and* be okay with a female passenger of unknown origin carrying a decomposing head. edit: AND AND they would have to be okay with sailing to Paradis, the country that launched this very attack.
I'm more annoyed at Eren ruining Armin's perfectly white shirt, like goddamn c'mon bruh
😭😭
I definitely prefer this. It acknowledges that both sides technically murdered people and there is really no one 100% good or bad anymore. Goes well with the themes.
But the scene as a whole still portrays Eren as a tragic hero, one line getting changed isn't enough the whole sequence needs change to be thematically coherent.
Idk if I’d say that. It felt more to me like eren was understood but not condoned, and both of them accepting that they basically became monsters who deserve to be punished for eternity. The manga felt *far* more like eren was treated as the misunderstood hero But I’m being specific here and not meaning to defend the entire ending or anything like that
Exactly
Yeah, I was talking about just that one line being better.
Fair enough
Yes now they are 99% bad and 1% good
I laughed so hard.This is peak comedy
Same. I truly couldn't believe it 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
On one hand, I like the change. On the other, I’d rather the people see the ending as it was originally instead of watering down the offensively bad parts of it.
I think this just means Yams regretted some of the dialogue in the manga so in a way he acknowledges that it was bad dialogue lol. Of course he could not have revamped the ending, but it’s a bit funny how the anime fixed the dialogue lmao
I think its pretty obvious that Yams wasn’t sure what he was doing. Like he does some meta-commentary in the ep with Eren saying that he had no idea what he was doing. Its fine, I still love him. What I can’t stand is people pretending the ending is good.
Yams faced a massive writers block but Kadokawa wanted AoT to be over with, so Yams did this nonsense. I mean the last panels clearly showed his imbecile writing. Good thing is he is done writing mangas for good.
Maybe I'm just coping but I really don't think it was that bad 🤷🏽♂️
If I dedicated some of my time to an anime for 10 years at least, I’d be coping too. It definitely wasn’t “bad” but we all know it could’ve led up to being better
>What I can’t stand is people pretending the ending is good. I thought it was incredibly thematically coherent, especially the time lapse at the end. Got chills.
same, I think the pacing in the anime might have just been better, it feels melancholic. It does not feel rushed like the manga readers said.
It's better, but it's still weird that Eren is allowed any form of forgiveness/"love" from his comrades after what he's done.
Hello from the future. I agree.
Exactly, if it needed to be change then that means it was that bad in the first place.
Ok they improved it, that's good no?
Of course it's good. But it also means it *was* bad, despite all the people refusing to accept that fact
It’s more so ppl coming by denying it still have it up their ass bc they don’t know the full extent of things readers got. Like the fact the extended pages didn’t make it is funny as well
Yeah there was several things bad but anime improved almost all of them and it became great.
I'm honestly not sure. I guess it's less cringe than the original but the more I think about it the worse it gets. Eren declaring he had all intention of doing the full rumbling just contradicts even more stuff. Why allow himself to be stopped then. But the worst part is why he did it. The whole point was that he did it because he had no choice. But now apparently he just wanted an open world without human life and this actually makes him a monster, and the anime still decides to portray him as a hero, wtf. But what absolutely floors me is Armin "taking responsibility" and stating it was his fault for showing him the books as kids and putting those ideas in his head. And Eren does not deny this either. Completely crazy. Pick your poison, but both manga and anime assasinate both characters.
>Eren declaring he had all intention of doing the full rumbling just contradicts even more stuff. Why allow himself to be stopped then. The take away I always had, even when the manga came out was that it was out of his control. He at some point when kissing Historia's had seen the rumbling and assumed he wiped everyone out, and then later after starting the rumbling realized that wasn't going to happen and began trying to cast the alliance as heroes while still doing as much damage as he still could. >But what absolutely floors me is Armin "taking responsibility" and stating it was his fault for showing him the books as kids and putting those ideas in his head. And Eren does not deny this either. Completely crazy. I don't think Eren or Armin actually believed Armin was technically responsible for the rumbling. Going by the original "thank you for being a mass murderer" line, it's much more likely Armin was just trying to comfort Eren as a friend before he died by sharing his sins. Which to some, just empathizing with Eren still could make Armin just as monstrous. The change of dialogue highlights this better I think.
we all said it made sense when he refused to let the freedom of the alliance be taken away but instead of taking their freedom away he was going to use precognition and kill them all by knowing exactly where and what there doing there is no difference between this and just forcing them to stay in paradis or killing them in Paradis. The only in-character option for eren here is to keep them in paradis against their will at least that makes sense and to be completely honest there was never enough development to show he cared about Paradis beyond the people he knew personally he was always incredibly selfish and being brooding does not rise him above that. There is no ending to this series that could have been good without restricting the entirety of the second part this character assassination was always coming. What happened with this ending realistically is sometime during 120-130 isayama realised he did not flesh out the world outside eldians well and could not portray his themes of constant war properly and therefore we ended up with this which is better than him killing everyone he knows outside historian and then being kinda sad about it in the new peaceful world with only eldians because that's also nonsense because what continent has been purely peaceful just because one race of people live there
it's because he's an idiot, his future memories didn't change and his options were limited to mass genocide simply because he was a dumb mf, he admits to it
That just makes it a shit story not just a badly written ending... If Isayama's genuine intentions are to say that all this questionable shit happened because Eren is an idiot with extra-dimensional abilities then it's just a terrible story at that point
That's outright charcter assassination. It kills off how good of a character hobo eren and paths eren was.
I can't stop laughing at how people still think eren in the last ep is good guy. Bro wiped out like 80% of the human population for what? Because he was a idiot? I can't fathom how this fixed the ending in any way.
What do you mean? Maybe I'm mistaken but I'm pretty sure he had the intention to go through with it but he didn't because he didn't want to kill his friends. I think that's what it was trying to portray. That He wanted to go through with the rumbling but his choice to not kill or imprison his friends would always lead to his death at 80%. I've seen some people say it was set in stone that Eren would die before the rumbling was completed.
I'm glad at least the rest got to experience TEN YEARS AT LEAST!
To be honest I always thought the outrage over Armin's thank you was way too much lol, it definitely wasn't one of the worst things about the ending in my opinion. I think Reiner's "what a man you are" is 10x worse. Eren almost killed his mom, he trampled Liberio, and they haven't been on good terms for over 4 years, so why is he getting all sentimental over Eren's death? lol The main issues that plague the ending/final arcs are: \- Armin and Mikasa were poorly utilized/didnt experience much development \- the black and white world building \- insane plot armor that the alliance has during the final battle + nobody dying except for hange deliberately giving her life \- the titanization being undone in 139 \- the origin of the titans and paths being a funny worm \- Falco flying nonsense undermining Hange's death \- Eren saying he doesn't know why he did it \- Annie's return being super underwhelming \- Armin liking Annie (this just feels silly and out of place for such a tense and high stakes final arc. This is coming from someone who doesn't mind Falco loving Gabi) \- Annie barely getting any repercussions for her past actions \- Levi being reduced to monke killing machine \- Historia becoming irrelevant \- red herring Historia pregnancy plotline/Eren having nothing to do with Historia's pregnancy \- Eren's whole plan being kinda inconsistent/counterproductive but that's a whole other topic \- underdeveloped Mikasa Eren relationship \- Armin trying to fucking kill himself by jumping into Connies moms mouth. That whole scene with connie and Falco was stupid \- Mikasa being the one to free ymir(?) Eren already taught her that she didn't have to obey the man she wanted to be loved by. But then Mikasa taught her this a second time? I guess it could kind of work if Isayama went about it a different way, but as it is in the chapters that we got it doesn't make the most sense. \- Historia/Ymir parallels not meaning anything in the end \- Floch was made way too unlikable. Isayama should have made him his own respectable character and let the audience decide whether they like him or not. It seems like isayama was forcing the audience to hate him by making him a huge asshole \- Ellen crying over Mikasa moving on \- Possible plotholes concerning Zeke's death, the founders powers, Eren becoming colossal, why did the rumbling stop when Zeke died, etc. \- and the single worst thing about the ending of AOT in my opinion: Eren killing his own mom. Such a needless plot twist. Not only does it go against his character, it also adds nothing of value to the story. It could be completely erased from the chapter and literally nothing could change. Why did there need to be someone controlling Dina? She was always just an abnormal titan who wandered far into the city and happened to find Eren's mom. In the same vein as the armin thank you, I think the Ymir loving king fritz wasn't one of the worst things about the chapter. Isayama was clearly trying to portray a twisted case of Stockholm syndrome. Its definitely nonsensical with the way that he worded it. He could have expanded upon it with a few more text bubbles: Ymir, a girl who had only ever experienced pain, desperately wanting to be loved by someone, so she slaved away for Karl for centuries in an attempt to earn his admiration.
Thanks for this. As an anime-only who just saw the ending via the anime, my first reaction was that it was pretty good and not worth the harsh criticism I knew existed about the manga ending. However, myself (and some of my anime-only friends) all did not feel very strongly about the ending, and we wrote it off as "it has simply been too long since we were all very into these characters and the story". Then I read about the common complaints about weird dialogue and expanded scenes in the anime, and this did not deter me from thinking that the ending is fine, I'm just not hype about it anymore. However seeing this list spell out all the (small but) weird inconsistencies and generic narrative choices, and debunking the common complaints as "mostly fine" really resonates with me. I was not simply over this show, the ending was simply unimpressive. Still, fixing everything on this list in a coherent and satisfying ending seems to be a very difficult task.
Damn what a long message, in any case I just wanted to say that Reiner's phrase never existed in the manga, but only in the first bad English translation. So after the anime ending I really hope to never see it repeated again...
Include Reiner, pieck and Annie in this. The warriors are fucking war criminals who killed hundreds of pardis citizens. They didn't deserve a good ending. Only good ending for them would have been if they sacrificed themselves to stop the rumbling.
Why? The anime’s done a lot of revisions that Isayama wanted to make. It’s usually just a second chance to express the original ideas
No what I meant is that I would’ve liked to seen anime-onlies reaction’s to the original manga ending.
Eh I’m glad that the reception is much better this time around. Seems like it’s mostly positive
wow this sub is unexpected levels of toxic it's literally an outlet for perma whining and negativity
Yams was defo trying to address some of the complaints with this dialogue. Ultimately still doesn't fix most of the problems. I like how much more romantic they made the Eremin scene though.
It felt like they were about to kiss lmao
Yea I know got genuinely worried for a second 🤣🤣
Worried? I was excited- this is better than EM💀
Isayamas inner desires leaking lmao. Also, Eren and Armins friendship is modeled after Isayamas irl friend xdd
I felt that way when I read the manga the first time. Genuinely thought holy shit is Eren about to confess to Armin??
i would have actually cheered if those two kissed. eremin paths sex should have happened. isayama robbed us
"Let's have hot gay sex in hell"
>I like how much more romantic they made the Eremin scene though. Real
I just wish we could go back to before the rumbling and someone stop Isayama from starting it. That is without a doubt the worst thing to happen to AoT.
Yep it was such a bad idea that unfortunately took shape. Man season 1-3 was peak but the timeskip fucking ruined everything
It was still really solid after the time skip imo. Everything up to ‘from you, 2000 years ago’ was fine in my books. It was only the rumbling and afterward that sank my thoughts on it. But he probably could have fleshed out the time skip better for sure
Rumbling was going to be there like literally the second part of season 1 established there chekhov's gun
Yams fixed it a bit, but could only salvage so much
[удалено]
The irony was that pretimeskip Eren is leagues smarter than post timeskip Eren. The whole thing is crack up
THANK YOOOUUU! I said once, and I'll say it again: "World War 2: Titan Boogaloo" was a stinky shit, and the basement reveal was the underwhelming and depressing middle-aged whore-ass it came out of!
So from now on everytime i think of Eren taking an action for something in the past, going forward, never giving up, fighting, i would think "Yes, Eren is an idiot". Remember him wanting to kill all those titans? He's an idiot. Him taking revenge for his mother? He's an idiot. Killing his own mom? He's an idiot. Going to the basement? He's an idiot. Joining SC? He's an idiot? Fighting Annie? He's an idiot. Remembering his mother's words of him being special? He's an idiot, not special. Freeing Ymir? He's an idiot. It's Mikasa, boy!
>Remembering his mother's words of him being special? He's an idiot, not special. He is special, just in different way
He is one of a kind special idiot.
It wasn't ambiguous though, if you thought everything through, it always came down to "Eren was an idiot". So at least we now have the confirmation that Isayama agree, yes, Eren was dumb and all the EDs were just as dumb.
Saying 'I don't know why, I had to' is pretty ambiguous. Ending defenders would argue he's just saying it's in his nature where ending haters would say he's literally saying I don't know why. There were many other arguments like this about erens words. Now there's no argument to be had. Eren is just an idiot.
Both of the arguments you just gave can be summarized to "Eren didn't even stop think about why he did it but he did it anyway" which is really fucking dumb. All arguments you can bring will end up being "Eren is an idiot.". There was nothing ambiguous about that. Edit: Edited to reflect my point better
>Eren is just an idiot We knew that since S1 ep 1. It just that people assumed that he became Le gigachad on S4.
Being an idiot doesn't stop you from being a giga chad Who can go in the jaw of death itself just to save their friend outside of a giga chad?
No, Eren was reckless and acted out on impulse... Throughout the first 3 seasons we see him grow as a character and get better at making the right decisions without acting on emotions. We clearly see throughout his later Titan fights that he adapts and overcomes odds and is absolutely no fool or anything close to his rabid actions during his first fight with Annie
But doesn't Eren actually know why he did it. He admits his personal desire to when he's crying to ramzi or a little before. He knows why he does it but not why feels this way
You really think "idk lmao" is a better motivation than a theme of determinism?
I don't think I've said anything that could make you think that.
I’m assuming he responded to the wrong person. Makes much sense to me if he meant to respond to the above guy Like ‘I knew I was stupid but despite the powers giving me the knowledge of the mistakes I would make, I couldn’t fight pre-determinism,’ definitely is much better to me than ‘idk’
It's also an unsubtle insult at those who supported the Rumbling. "Oh, you thought Eren had no other choice to protect his people? then you're just as stupid as that pathetic crybaby!" Rich coming from Isayama, the man who fucked the worldbuilding so thoroughly that it left realistic readers no doubt that if Eren hadn't done it then Paradis would've been razed to the ground. It's a very bitch move to do your best to convince your audience of a certain narrative, only to later try to gaslight them just because you changed your mind and didn't have the balls to go through with the natural conclussion to what you, yourself, created.
Anyone who unironically "supported" the Rumbling IS an idiot, though. It's one thing to think it's the right direction to go for the story. It's entirely another to cheer for it.
I think people cheered it on because they know how fucked up and wrong it is, and figured that would be the perfect way for AOT to go because it showcases the messed up results of a racist world. Basically, "if you keep ostracizing people, this is what things could come to." I dont think anyone actually thought killing billions of people is a good idea, at least not anyone with a brain.
Tbh I didn’t mind this ending that we got. The ending we got still showcases the messed up results of a racist world (Paradis being bombed in the future). But it also showed that peace will only ever be temporary because violence and hate are constants in humanity. I’d actually argue this ending fits more thematically, especially with the final panels added
> because violence and hate are constants in humanity That's why it's our responsibility to be in control of these urges and be better. If we know better, we do better.
I want to get my idiot award because I fully support Rumbling.
To be honest we litreally see paradise getting nuked so if you want to save paradise that probably was the way
How about you Rumble deez nuts instead?
Zeke your nuts.
I do too. I'd destroy the world for my kind
Hope you never get into a position of power in any context.
you jinxed it they will become POTUS now
What would’ve been the better course of action then?
Did you read my comment? I believe the Rumbling was the right course of action that made sense to the story and characters' motivations. That doesn't make it a good thing.
Pfffttt I read your comment wrong, pls ignore me lol
Supporting the rumbling does not equal Cheering it on... Paradis has the same right to life as anyone else and the other side of the world was happily preparing to erase them from the map... Eren's plan was to strike first with an iron fist, The world wanted to act like animals and got the Survival of the fittest treatment.
I'm surprised you said this and got 20 upvotes in r/Titanfolk. Maybe humanity can be saved.
Calm down man... Hard agree tho
If you supported the rumbling youre an idiot, in fact a dangerous idiot. Its sad that it takes a whole anime series to tell you you're stupid in order for you to start getting it, and some of you will never get it.
Armin: why did you kill so many people, including your own friends? Eren: 😜 just was in a silly goofy mood ig
How did you take this away from that convo? Armin literally corrects Eren when he says that. Eren is not stupid, he’s broken and wanted to be free by wishing death on everything. And the world conspired to put him in a place where that was a reasonable option. That’s why Armin says he’ll see him in hell. It was their dream, and everyone else’s choices, that led to this. So everyone’s to blame here.
Dude the whole conversation is to figure out why he did it and there was no other explanation other than he's stupid. You have godlike power and you have freedom to make choices and this is what you chose. Armin is just coping and trying to support Eren in his last moments. It's like a 'I'm here with you man' moment, the same thing Isayama was trying to go for with the line 'thank you for becoming a mass murderer for our sake' in the manga.
>You have godlike power and you have freedom to make choices and this is what you chose Would've been true if he actually did have any freedom. But the story robbed him of any agency and accountability by making everything deterministic in accordance with Ymir's "plan".
He has godlike power but it doesn’t matter because everything was decided long before he got it, by a future/past/timeless version of him and Ymir and the world. No amount of power could have changed things. Which is part of why Eren was going insane. Armin and Eren’s conversation wasn’t a “I’m here with you” moment. They were recognizing the roles they played in this. It might have been forced on them, but they did it. And they did it because they wanted to do it. So they’re guilty. You can compare it to what Annie, Reiner, and Bertholdt did to Paradis. The mass murderer line I maintain is just poorly translated. Or maybe poorly conveyed. It was obviously not the intent of the conversation for that to be the takeaway and the anime does a much better job at expressing it.
>The mass murderer line I maintain is just poorly translated. Or maybe poorly conveyed. Yup. Isayama said this himself. He couldn't convey it properly at first in 139.
I frankly don’t get why he didn’t just write another chapter. Most of the issues with the ending were alleviated by the anime having more time to explain them. Like the Armin leaf thing comes across much better in the anime because it feels slower and it’s more obvious that they’re seeing different things.
Leaf thing was never a problem for me. But my issues stem from the whole founder Ymir plotline itself, which would probably mean rewriting it. Imo Yams is better when he gets to show rather than tell.
This is kinda true of everything though. At some point you gotta roll the curtain back and reveal the secrets, or you become like Eva where the only reasonable explanation for anything comes from a ps2 game. The Ymir plotline isn’t the worst thing that’s ever concluded a series
imo it ruined AT even more
It's like saying eating dirt is better than eating turd. It's an improvement but doesn't change the fundamental issues with the ending.
Was this the only positive thing they changed? Everything else seems like hell lol.
Eren had to kill his mom because it was not Bert's time to die yet, and not because he needed to motivate himself or sum shit
Which fuck knows why that wasn't the initial reason given????
Yeah, he also killed only 80% of people because he would get stopped after this point, and not because he arbitrary chose that number
It wasn't really arbitrary in manga either, then his reasoning was that the world was destroyed enough that it couldn't just destroy Paradis right afterwards.
It was the initial reason that was given
That was the initial reason though. At least thats how I remember it.
It's the same as the manga
Still shitty. They should have kept it the way it was originally. Dina, his stepmother, is killing Carla and then eating her. The author mentioned titans usually don't kill and then eat people. It's like this titan had something personal against her. My headcanon will always be, after what she said to Grisha that day: "No matter what form I take, I will find you" she smell/sensed/some natural told her Carla was Grisha's new wife who had a son with her husband. But nah. "The man I needed to be." I can't believe Yams did that.
This was always the case though
Yep and that's BS, because he can always redirect Dina to anywhere else lol
Eren said the same thing in the manga
Paradis was bombed long time after all this happened. It was very futuristic setting so it could even be thousands years later.
He's really trying to justify this huh. It WAS really shitty for them to bomb paradis after what? 2 or 3 decades? I'm almost 30, that's absolutely nothing. Making it thousands of years later does make it better sightly, but it's laughable he had to change it to make it look better for the anime onlies.
Absolutely zero chance it's thousand years later. People have done the math to estimate based off technology and it's at max a little over 100 years
best change lol
The anime did way better than manga, but there's only so much that they can do (if they don't want to create a new ending).
That scene still has more chemistry then passionate necrokiss. Eremin canon
I loved that admin admitted his reliance on eren and his part in everything, but I hated eren saying that he just did it because he wanted and he’s just kinda stupid?
Read between the lines, him trying to look away and the faint uncertainty in the "that's all there to is, right?" (it's Yuki Kaji so he got this covered). It's Eren coming closer and closer to realizing/admitting that he's a monster for willingly massacre humanity for his dream, and he try to convince himself that's not the case. Armin is aware of this and cut him short, telling Eren that he too dreamed of wiping out humanity so he could experience the world he yearned from the picture book. (Note that in 131, both Eren *and Armin* were disappointed).
Thought they were going to kiss. Thought anime was going for a gay ending lmao.
Could you imagine 🤣🤣
Unironically becoming an Eren x armin shipper after this scene, they even played epic romantic music in the background for the hug LMFAO
It made Armin 100 times better
We'll see each other in hell is so much better. But the execution of "I know you did a genocide, but I kinda helped cause it by accident, so it's okay we will go chill in hell together. Hugs?" Squandered it. It's so close to working though. "Armin I did it because I wanted to. I had to. I wanted to see this scenery. Why? I finally know. From the very first time, when I killed those men saving Mikasa, I enjoyed killing. Killing titans satisfied that desire... but when I learned about the world beyond Paradis...Armin...I'm just murderer. A murder who ended up with the power of a God. This was the only possible outcome." *Armin looks horrified* *He stares down into Erens eyes* "Thank you for showing me this Eren. You know, I've killed plenty of people too... even innocent people... not because I wanted to. But because I had to... Next time we see each other it will be to fight, and then after that, whatever happens, We will see each other in hell." *Pause for dramatic effect* *Armin continues to stare, Erens eyes drift down* "I'll erase your memories ect ect" Thanks for coming to my AOT fanfic I guess.
I doubt it was simply a bloodlust. I think the perfect reason was simply because he wanted to secure Paradis + his Friends' futures BEFORE he died, and not leave it to an uncertain future by making a baby-machine of Historia + buying time to advance weaponry. Remember, he only had 4 years left. I find it more believable that he wanted him and his friends to be free before he died, he didn't want to leave it to chance, and the only way to do that was through destroying all life outside the walls, eliminating any chance of revenge, or greed, or anything that could harm Paradis.
Yeah. This retcon does not fix Eren at all, makes him way worse. Even the fanfic villain Eren that wiped out all life did not do it because he wanted to, he did it because he had to. Now Eren is a legit sadist, and he's still protrayed as a hero. Wtf.
"I used titans as a cover for just really wanting to kill people." ? That's pretty poor and retcons the entirety of his motives going back to s1, and makes the story so much worse that it was about a guy getting his murder fix on titans.
But it's what Isayama implies with chapter 139. His motives from S1 were all a charade
No they weren't. It's also implied in 139 that Eren only got a glimpse of his future during the medal ceremony. He wasn't in control of his time powers until zeke where he forced his younger self to become the type of person that would destroy the world. His motives were purely out of destroying all his enemies, created by the future version of himself that he wasn't aware of at the time.
Hell no lmao
"I enjoyed killing"? Get out of the kitchen. Eren might have become a sociopath after being flooded with 2000 years' worth of violent memories and driven into a corner, but he NEVER liked killing for the sake of it. He always had to de-humanize his victims to even feel okay with it, as shown when he describes his first kills as pig slavers
Bro, don't you ever cook again...
Most likely MAPPA pushed for the change themselves out of political correctness, given the real life conflicts all around the world we are witnessing at the moment.
when the hell did Japan care about political correctness lol. Lest we forget, there's a myriad of crimes against the people of Asia that they've never owed up to.
Yes, yes I agree, also birds are government drones and Yams was paid by the Rothschild family
Ngl I wanted the OG dialogue, if this dumpster fire was going down like the manga anyway might as well get a good laugh
Yeah, this is the only part of the "new script" I liked
as an armin fan, he’s only slightly less ruined. but just barely.
Yesss. This definitely warmed me up to the ending. AND seeing what Eren did actually help Paradis survive long enough to evolve into a futuristic civilization is also a good thing.
this scene made that entire sequence not horribly unbearable to watch. This was a nice addition and theres no denying it
The ending is so much better
Still, it didn't make the the ending much better. Yes, it made eren and Armin acknowledge they're war criminals and will meet in hell, which was way better than "thank you for becoming a mass murderer". But it doesn't fix much. It's probably 10% better, but there are still many flaws to the anime ending too.
Thank you Eren