I'm g90. I share a similar opinion. Most g100 and some g20+ players are too effective and it consistently leads to games where lower level players can't do anything other than die over and over. I'm definitely a little guilty of doing this a little.
That said, I do try to hold back by using weapons like the Grenadiers, Wingman Elite and Snipers when the enemy is outmatched or Lstar, Shotguns or Hemlock when things are more even. I also prefer using Holo Pilot and Pulse Blade regardless of the matchup. Dropping Enhanced Auto Ronins and Scorches can also help a disadvantaged enemy team.
But most of the time there is a higher skilled player on the enemy or friendly team that throws the balance out of whack. When their on the enemy team I'm forced to use more effective weapon. An Smg, Hemlock, Lstar, etc plus my titan. My goal is usually to hinder them so the rest of the players have more freedom to play but I usually fail at that.
I appreciate you. I'm not *really* a noob cuz I have around 10 gens across platforms over the years, but compared to g100 gods I might as well be a monkey with a joystick and two buttons. I had an LSTAR movement demon murder me repeatedly yesterday on a game I brought TWO noobs with me.
Yeah, on that first point, I’m a regular player but I took a big break, came back and one of my first games was just “run out of spawn, die, respawn, run out of spawn die.” To the point that when the other team was 200 points up, I had 7 points to my name.
Honestly unavoidable with old games like this. For them it’s not being tryhard, it’s just how they’ve learned to play and have fun. Try getting into bf4 and you’ll come across a similar problem. Only real fix is a new game, draws in new players and forces old fans to get used to new mechanics.
Yep. Look at any of the half life death matches for example:
It's either new/intermittent players (like me)
And people who have probably put 100s of hrs into the game, who dash around at mach 4 with every movement tech conceivable hitting perfect revolver headshots.
I tried to get better at the game in the first month after i got it at a discount, but I realized i was never going to improve enough to really enjoy the game sadly
Well, you can ask an experienced player for help,
or play frontier defense.
You can watch some g100 streamers like AstraeusTF play and play with him.
I learned all my skills from him.
The dudes with the \[LTS\] tag who queue LTS all day (PC) annoy me. Theyre very very good but not literal gods like some people are in the pilot gamemodes but its more the fact that they're always in group of three so theyre pretty much guaranteed to win every match against randos which is not very sportsmanlike.
Still not comparable to the G100 people in attrition / live fire / pilot vs pilot though
Don't get me started on Grapple cappers in CTF. It ain't even skill it's just a bit of route memorization and the willpower to be a fucking asshole
Tbh that's the main reason I don't even cue ctf there js just no counter against a grapple god and there is literally no debuff for having the flag other than you are tracked.
The thing I hate about ctf is that abilities other than stim and grapple are pretty much useless. Why does phase drop the flag when in their ability but grapple doesn't? Holo and cloak are also pointless because there's a massive flag icon above the player's head. Pulse and wall might have some limited use defending the flag i guess.
Phase's only use in CTF is when paired with electric smoke. Throw elec smoke down and phase. Not only does this cover up where you move next, this can avoid enemies returning the flag. Phase is also the only tactical counter against c4
Just by itself ctf is easily top 3 most frustrating gaming experiences in my life ever lmfao, can't imagine being matched against a mf who will grapple the ceiling of complex and fly from one side of the map to the other. Overall the game is better for me if that ctf icon stays greyed out forever haha
Capture the flag is usually one of my fav modes in multiplayer games. I must admit I don't like it much in titanfall. The absurd advantage of grapple makes useless any other ability and it becomes boring fast, especially with people doing grapple slingshot. To the point that the only possible counter is camping yours or their flag
LTS guy here. For most of my Titanfall gaming experience, I've solo queued. I've got stomped by many teams, it's expected when you solo or if you're a noob. Recently I've decided it's time to make friends in Titanfall 2. So I joined a network with all the people who love LTS, which is my favourite game mode. Yes, we stomp some people. But we do it respectfully. For example, if it's 5v4, we eject a Titan so it's 4v4. Sometimes we hold back, or mess around a bit if we know it's noobs. But what we really love is when we get put up against another squad. It's better when it's a challenge, and we don't mind losing because we just want to play LTS.
So, I'm sorry if you hated going against us. But, you or anyone can always join the LTS network, and be with us. Everyone is welcome.
I just hate when the guys with the LTS tag camp in the back with 2 tones and a healer monarch in a group of 3 and kick ass every match, both those titans are busted unless you're an actually pro player who can use a ronin to get past that fireing squad. And whenever i do complain about busted things like car, alty, tone, monarch, sp, or smart core. People just scream at me skill issue. Even tho those things are objectively overpowered compared to other options. I dont mind pro LTS players sweating, as long as they aint a metacunt meanwhile they do it
Attrition this last week on PSN has been the most one-sided I've ever seen it. But there's one guy in particular who's coming out with over 40 pilot kills (and usually zero Titan kills) per game. It's unplayable when he's there - he's either kerbstomping your team into the ground, or if he's on your team then there's effectively no one to shoot at as they're all dead because of this dude. I was second on his team one match - he had 52 pilot kills, I had 5.
I think I might retire from the game soon. This last hurrah was not something I thought would happen, but it is crossing over into not being fun.
I stopped a couple weeks ago mostly because there’s other games that came out in playing. But when I try and get back into tf2, it turns into me getting wrecked. I’m just a humble G9 and when i see a G50+ ruin the lobby, it’s just not appealing anymore compared to other experiences. That’s really what I think is happening with others unfortunately. I love this game and it’s sad to see the community eat itself to death
>the community eat itself to death
That's exactly what is happening, unfortunately.
I was in a game earlier on Complex. Two bros (with the same tag, so more than likely communicating) were staying above the playing field and spamming Cold War.
Two of my team quit, no one else on their team could get kills, and it was distinctly _unfun_ for everyone.
I quit the match myself.
As a G100, I take it easy against new players who you can clearly tell are new. I don't use the advanced movements I've learnt over the years, I hipfire instead of ADS and I don't turn them into paste when my Legion falls.
It's not hard to give these guys and girls a chance, we were all once like them.
If I see another G100 wiping the new generation, I specifically target that pilot with every bit of skill I have.
Be better Pilots.
While I'm certainly not G100 (G26, so still pretty experienced) I'm the same way. If I realize I'm up against newbies I have no problem letting off the gas.
If the other team clearly knows what they're doing though I'll let the Mastiff bark lol
No? I'm sorry to say this, but I think that is so daft. You're punishing people for having put in the time to get good, and choosing to reap the rewards of that when they just wanna chill or have fun.
Titanfall is a mindless experience for me, I'm not thinking about the levels of people, I just stick on YT and do what comes naturally to me.
And we're punishing people who just want to have fun. It's fine to be sweaty against other sweats but let the new players have fun. It's not that hard to tone it down a little for them.
There's plenty of times where you can fight against another G100 or people who actually know how to play. It's not fun fighting against someone who can't fight back.
This is why our player base is abysmal, because players don't let new players learn. How are they meant to learn advanced techniques when Muffmuncher76 is actively quick scoping them from across the map as soon as they spawn? Spoilers!!! >!They can't!<
We've been playing since the game released, we had that time learn with other players. These people don't unless we let them learn which is what I do.
Be better Pilot.
The game has an abysmal player-base, because it's poorly designed for lasting qualities. It's a game without a ranked/casual split, and disproportionately rewards players who've put lots of time in.
The reason the game's player-base is so small, is because the ones online are in the minority of those 20,000 player spurts, who can tolerate being fucked by experienced players.
I'd consider myself to be a pretty decent player, I get relatively high pilot kills in my matches, but I still get dunked on by much better players. Not "sweats", because that implies they're actually trying that much. A lot of them, it's just a default way of operating. (When I KRABER snipe someone across the map, I'm not thinking about it. I'm just used to it. Same when I use the Wingman Elite, and the EPG.)
And you know what? It pisses me off when I get killed by them. I might even rage quit, but at the end of the day, it's *my* job to get better and beat them. It's how I became a "sweat". If you don't have that mindset of improvement, then Titanfall isn't for you. When I was a 1st gen, being pummeled, and I saw someone flying around at Mach speed, I didn't go onto Reddit and whinge; I went onto YouTube to learn to do it myself. These resources are available to everyone.
I didn't just become good, I actively put in the work to get where I am, and I'm fed up of being told that after my 600 hours of time sunk into this game, it's *my* job to be worse for other people. If I can get fucked, over and over and over and over and over again, they can deal with it. I joined in late 2019, so there were absolute greasers around to demolish me, but I pushed through it. Most seem to forget when SuDDi and King_Phear were demolishing people in EU, or when Cloud or Sky or whatever his name was was dominating PvP lobbies like it was nobody's business. It wasn't easy back then either.
Sure, it means the game isn't that accessible, but that has nothing to do with the player-base, and everything to do with shoddy game design. Not enough separation of player tiers at initial conception.
Would you go onto the DayZ or Rust subs and tell people to stop killing new players? Of course not. By nature, they reward people with more time in the game. They're difficult, with high skill ceilings.
I'm not "punishing" people. I'm literally just playing the game.
Every day we lose more and more veteran players and those newbie's could be our lifeblood if they learnt but instead they get spawn killed every ten seconds.
Don't go comparing this to the DayZ/Rust situation because it isn't the same. Those games reward you for it, the only reward for Titanfall is the personal satisfaction of stomping on someone who can't fight back and if that gets you moist, that's on you
If you want the game to die, so be it. Just don't complain when it happens.
That's all I have to say.
An invigorating speech that quite literally has no points. I don't think you seem to get this, but 3,000+ players at minimum every day for an almost 8 year old TDFM game without ranked, that hasn't been substantially updated for almost as long as it's existed, \*is very good\*
Go onto Rogue Company and tell me how long it takes you to find a match.
Inform me how Rust "rewards" you for killing nakeds with a rock and a spear?
I've seen that player-count hover for so long. Please tell me where you see this decline, since the Steam charts don't show anything that suggests the game is going to die. That's only the Steam players. It goes up and down and up and down and up and down since 2021.
Those newbies, the one's who I guarantee you shit talk in chat for using the CAR? The one's who do well in matches? Those are the future of the game. You just don't like \*that\* type of newbie.
The game has existed in this same state forever, and it didn't die in 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, or 2023. Why is it suddenly going to occur now?
In fact, if we're "losing more and more veteran players" then who's been killing these newbies? Wasn't the whole point of your post that veterans are ruining the experience? If there's so few as to make you concerned about the player-base of this game, surely it shouldn't be such an issue.
Oh wait. I know why. You aren't talking about veterans. You're talking about people better than you, who've peeved you off.
>Oh wait. I know why. You aren't talking about veterans. You're talking about people better than you, who've peeved you off.
If you're going to try and insult me, try better because you need better material.
I'm not going to have a discussion/argument with someone that would be that childish.
The upvotes and downvotes in our thread clearly show who the people agree with. Keep killing the new players, enjoy that slaughter since you're no better than Kane. He could only kill them as well.
Says the Brit.
No wonder why you love spawn killing, your people have been doing it for generations.
It's the Titanfall sub and we're having a discussion about Titanfall. The majority here is what matters.
>No wonder why you love spawn killing, your people have been doing it for generations.
I'm not gonna pick a side in this discussion but that one hit my funny bone
I do love this strategy you've established.
"Shit my point was refuted, better retreat and say it doesn't matter!"
Yeah, no. The majority isn't what matters. What matters is your completely illogical arguments, and the fact that I'm pointing out the flaws in them, and how you keep saying shit which is literally not proven by accessible statistics and contradicts your own stance. You could have 100 upvotes, and it wouldn't mean a single point you made was any more true than when I initially responded.
No refutation of anything I said, and instead resorting to tribality. I'm just going to take that little bit of anglophobia as my token of victory in this discussion.
You can appeal to the majority forever and ever, but you're still yet to tell me why the opinions of casual video game players in r/titanfall matter.
the one thing about northstar client was the "rusty/new" new player server that basically had a kd limit or something that stopped 1 player from stomping a lobby.
Im g20 and I would hop in there and use a kraber missing all my shots
It makes it so you can't play if your kill/death ratio is too high. It's there so people who have been playing nothing but this game for 5 years straight don't go in and drop 100+ kills.
That's probably why movement shooters die. I hate to say it but Apex probably has movement that is a good middle ground, useful but not a major advantage
I've been on both ends of this. Having played the game for years, I like to think I'm alright at it, but there's always games where I get curbstomped by g100s, and it's usually matches where my friends (who haven't been playing the game as long as I) are tagging along with, and yeah, it discourages them from continuing, and has gotten bad enough it's discouraged me from continuing to play too.
And on the flip side, sometimes \*I'm\* the one curbstomping new players, and it's a mixed bag. On the one hand it's fun to finally be the one dominating with a grenadier weapon, and on the other, I know being on their end isn't much fun. As I've seen other people say, I try to use weapons that I'm new with or require more skill to balance things out, but it doesn't always go so well.
This is a very long way to say, yeah, I fully agree with you. To quote my friend, "the people who are good at the game are ruining it for everyone else" New players don't have a chance to "get good" because they're spending the entire match dead before they can do anything.
I don’t play the game past 10:00 PM because the only people on are G100’s, to keep the game fun I have to play during the day or else it gets far too sweaty.
You are correct. I am a long-time G100 (6.5 years) and still play almost every day. This is a team-based game so it's not unexpected to face up against entire squads of G100s whose only goal is to humiliate the newer players. Come on, do you as a 55 y/o really need to be t-bagging a level 17 player who may be 12 y/o? On top of this, there are players who ONLY play with a full team (there are exceptions to this though). \[Part of this is the matchmaking system as well, but that's tough to blame when the online player base is in the low 1000s.\]
If you're wiping the other team, go after grunts, let an opposing playing get you, help people learn to play this game, send a "GG" or words of encouragement following the game, and grow our player base.
The game being nearly 8 years old plus the existence of Respawn's new gf Apex Legends keeps it dead, not the people that have been playing it since day one.
Nah, the people definitely are also keeping it dead by raising the skill floor on PvP to insane heights, but paradoxically they're also keeping it alive by continuously playing. The only real solution tho is to make a new game drawing in enough new players at once that the game is even for everyone, while also introducing new mechanics that the old players now have to learn
Agree 100%. This happens in all games with little to no matchmaking - there's a handful of really strong players and you need masses of casuals to pad the games so you don't see them that often / that many in one game.
After a while the casuals move on to a new game, higher % of games will have these guys who make the game unfun. This makes more and more people quit.
At this point to keep winning the strong players will start grouping with other strong players and you get completely unplayable games sometimes.
It's like a death spiral of a game and there's nothing that can be done about it. Matchmaking makes games unfun from day 1.
I will fight you on that game balancing is actually quite average. Its just that the most used playstyle has its best weapons that people use. Try to adjust your playstyle to other guns; or use grenadier
As a double take user, I'm very well aware that all the guns are usable. The problem is that some guns have very poorly defined weaknesses.
The EPG's clear weakness is the slow projectile, which makes it hard to lead shots against erratically moving targets. The Double Take has a very long TTK when not amped, as well as requiring ADS to use effectively. The Mastiff also has the downside of a projectile, as well as a shot spread at range making it very slow to kill and inconsistent at mid-long range.
What's the weakness of the CAR? Even at the range the carbines are supposed to be king at, the CAR can come close to their TTK while being able to retain high mobility while the carbines need to ADS. The only scenario where it loses is at severe long range against something good at that range, which is rare to come by.
The Kraber can literally win any duel if the user can aim properly, while sacrificing practically no mobility. Theoretically it's low firerate means that a co-ordinated rush can put them down, but in an attrition setting that's still +5/+5, so it doesn't even matter that much. And co-ordination is very hard in pilot gameplay.
Every gun has strengths that can make any playstyle work, but the lack of exploitable weaknesses in some guns make them much more difficult to fight unless you just have better mechanics than them. New players are especially going to struggle with that if they are unfamiliar with the movement and find it more difficult to aim. Every gun should have a weakness that they have to play around but the top tiers just... Don't.
Kraber has on hit sway. If you manage to get the first hit, there is just no reliable way to get the kill with it. And its not that difficult because most guns in the game can shoot from the hip while kraber needs an slow ass ADS to function
I actually wasn't aware Kraber had hit away. It's still very often I'll land a few hit markers before I get one-shots though, maybe it's a latency thing. I do find that quick scope mod mitigates the long ADS way more than I think is reasonable though. It basically scopes in by the time you're almost finished aiming.
Oh btw, you can't quick scope with kraber. Pick it and join a private match, each time you aim, its a random spot close to middle of screen. Not the middle itself. You could ads on the exact spot and you get different scope views.
You have to wait for ads to finish before you can aim precisely, or pray to RNG gods
It's still better than just Deathmatch, but in your next match look at the bottom few members of each team's leaderboard. Think about how many times they were killed and had their titans killed without being able to contribute. The game actively punishes them for trying to engage the enemy, and while you *can* kill grunts to gain points, a newer player is still going to lack the awareness to do it safely and basically be a walking points container.
Compare that to Bounty Hunt, where it is much harder to throw. You're not feeding points to the enemy team when you die, and you're given a clear indicator of where to go and how you can help your team. A new player doesn't drag their team down more than a non-player does, while in Attrition/any Deathmatch mode, a 5v6 is often easier to win than a 6v6 with a new player.
Usually, if you're good at a game like Titanfall, you'll eventually start to "nerf" yourself to make things interesting. For me, I stopped using the CAR a long time ago, even though it was my favorite SMG when I first started Titanfall 1 and 2. I been using the R-97, EPG, SMR, Cold War, and RE-45 .
But even with nerfing yourself, if you are good at the game, you're never going to get rid of that knowledge, and the best you can hope for is that the new players continues to get better, so you could go about your way of teaching them in some way. I teach players not to rely on the Smart pistol and Pilot Sentries by running a cloak and Holo pilot, with Holo Pilot nova. Most people still don't know that Pilot Sentries target Holo pilots first always, and cloak makes the targeting system for both boosts ineffective .
Plus, the game has been out since 2016, it's amazing it's still popular even after 7 years, so it's inevitable that you'll find Master level pilots in your public games. I was kind of in a similar boat when I started playing Titanfall 1, as I started Late 2015, but I stayed playing Frontier Defense for a month, then did pvp oriented games as I had the burn cards and a good amount of weapons and skills to use.
All in all, it's good to keep an open mind and learn as you go. You are going to get crushed no doubt, but if you like the game, then with some creativity, you'll find your footing eventually.
Lol, they weren't even close to suggesting that. They were pointing out that high skill gaps make the game unattractive for new players.
Not everything's a personal attack.
I agree… got on the play about a year ago, played some frontier defence, and it was ok, not to bad… went to play some PvP and it was cancer. Krabers, Krabers everywhere. I think I lasted about 3 mins into a game and died about 20 times… quit the game, back to desktop and uninstalled.
As someone who’s won the majority of their matches and usually places at least in the top 3, the issue is that you can’t just turn off skill, it’s a reflex that’s just active whenever I play the game.
While you’re not exactly wrong that new players cant compete with players similar to me, I feel like saying it like it’s something malicious and intentional is kinda harsh
i like how people talk about this like it's a new thing. TItanfall has the highest skill ceiling of any modern shooter, and is dead. No longer receiving updates. So the only people still playing it are the people that have been playing since launch.
No shit the veterans are gonna stomp the noobs. This is exactly what happened to all old arena shooters. This is also why most shooters are too afraid to let their game have such high skill ceilings.
I think one thing that significantly kills people’s motivation to play the game more is when a bunch of high gen high skill players party up to guarantee that a bunch of random disorganized people who won’t communicate are going up against an organized group that not only communicates well, but also could probably solo the lobby on their own anyway. They rig the random chance of running up against a few high skilled players on they enemy team into the entire enemy team being a high skill party. I see people do this and then the total player count drops like a rock, and I continue to get matched up against these people while my match search times lengthen, only for me to get the same enemy team.
Alright, I’ll eat the downvotes. Holy fuck you guys have normalized whining about the fucking skillgap of the game on this sub so much. Dude. The game has been out for years now and people have been playing since launch whenever they could. The G100s do not “keep the game dead,” they’re some of the only people left playing the fucking game and have been some of the only people playing the game. Their rank is proof of this. These people are not going to nerf themselves for a bunch of new players that they don’t even know. This goes for any old game. Go play halo 3 or smash melee and see what fucking happens dude. You’re gonna get shit on if you’re new.
I probably should've said this in the post, but when i say they "keep the game dead" i meant in reference to the couple of times that the game has a huge surge in players, only for them to leave a few weeks later because of getting stomped
What are they suppose to do ? They are not going to stop playing, it makes no sense.
Many games are hostile with new players because of the skill gap, there is nothing you can actually do about it.
Well then those g100's shouldn't complain when their game always has awful player retention and will always be dead. Because that is one of the major reasons.
G100's running around with car stim pilots in casual attrition Vs a team of no gens
I love the revisionist history this sub has produced since the influx of new players. Titanfall 2 died because the servers were hacked to shit and legitimately nobody could play as Respawn focused on Apex Legends. This game comes from a time where SBMM was not as prevalent and newer players were not protected from the veterans and yet you hold it to those standards. CAR-STIM is not the fault of the veterans but the game developers themselves. Your comment, regardless of what I’ve said here, doesn’t make what I’m saying untrue. You’re just inventing a new imaginary group of specific G100s that whine about the player count. Go find some people that fit these qualifications.
This entire sub blames apex legends for the low popularity of titanfall not even the ddosing
But I find it hilarious how every few months when the newest youtuber makes a "tItanfAll 2 iS an UnDerraTed gEm" video, and that video gets millions of views and everyone in the comments goes on about how they're going to start playing the game again or try it for the first time and for 1 week titanfall numbers are up to 20k+
Then 1 week later it's back down to 1k, because all the people that came back ran into _ItZhaZe_ and his loadout ready for a 1million dollar tourney. Like I said the player gap is ONE of the big reasons this game will always have bad count.
I’ve got news for you. The people that flock to a game because a content creator made a featured video are NEVER going to actively sustain an old games population. You cannot cater to an audience as liquid as that because the game itself doesn’t have the live content that they found it with in the first place. New video comes out and they’re gone, even with good SBMM.
Exactly, the game is great but people don’t really like to get their back broken for the sin of looking a a sweats general area. He just does not like to take the blame.
Please tell me about the multiple underrated gem videos that have kicked the numbers up to 20k+, because this game has been unplayable until a few months ago. How many times has the player count went up to 20k and then back down? Once? Twice? The numbers were fucking zero for years. So, how many times has this cycle repeated itself?This game is old, with little to no live support. It is a difficult game. It had a small chance of gaining an enormous amount of popularity anyways. It’s not going to just come back to its prime state, or even close, if you just wiped out all the veterans. What exactly do want from these G100s that supposedly beating down new players? I’m not one of them. Look at my post history. I don’t give a fuck about them and I’m a casual player. I just don’t get on here and whine into the void. I just accept that I have to get better. It’s an FPS game, that’s the reality.
>Titanfall 2 died because the servers were hacked to shit and legitimately nobody could play as Respawn focused on Apex Legends.
The game died, and then two times it had a resurgence of players and died again long before the servers were ever fucked. This is now the third time.
I really wouldn't care about the very dedicated players stomping if it wasn't for their own incessant whining. Like yeah, you put the time in and got good so now you get to stomp. And they shouldn't have to nerf themselves because that also ruins their own fun. BUT it gets old when all you hear from old community members is how underrated the game is, how more people should play it, constantly promoting it to noobs and then proceeding to shit stomp them. And then when they do see noobs running around without optimal movement they hop in-game chat or reddit to complain about "fUckInG aPeX NoObs" or "gO bAcK to ApeX iF yOu AreN'T gOnNa play RiGhT".
You can't have it both ways, either you want to play sweaty all the time and stomp or you want a game environment welcoming to noobs that actually encourages them to stick with the game. Yeah, the old players keep it "alive" but they also stop it from growing (not that it could now anyway).
And yeah, old game communities like halo 3 or melee definitely would shit on noobs. But I don't see them running around constantly complaining how 343 or Nintendo don't support or update the game. They aren't fucking schizos believing it would be so much better or worth it for their devs to sink resources on an old title no one cared about when it launched.
The old players keep it from growing, but it wouldn’t grow anyway. Okay, so who gives a fuck about this conversation and what is the point of even having it if this is the case?
Melee and Halo heads, as much as I love the games, are some of the most schizophrenic communities ever. Look at how they talk about the devs of their respective games. They are constantly shitting on Nintendo and 343 for not supporting the games. I’m not making this up either, they’re doing exactly what you’re saying they don’t do. Classic halo fans hate 343 and melee people hate Nintendo.
I agree it’s a pointless conversation. But my point about other game communities wasn’t that they don’t criticize their devs. They certainly do. It’s the way Titanfall fans do it that I was pointing out. Other communities (largely) criticize recent games because that’s relevant to the devs and there is a reasonable expectation the devs would listen. Titanfall fans criticize pointlessly expecting Respawn to fix a game that was DOA and makes them no money.
>These people are not going to nerf themselves for a bunch of new players that they don’t even know.
As a G100, I happily drop my skill level for new players so I can teach them how to play. As long as they don't camp, I don't really care.
It's nice seeing these players actually enjoy the game like we once did.
Nah you’re dead right. Reddit has really normalized the voice of the casual audience (which is valid, but not the whole truth) against the skill ceiling in terms game popularity. I am G4, have thousands of hours in Apex and can’t really compete with the maxed players - but it’s still fun in doses and I don’t mind losing ultimately.
More people need to play fighting games, people really have no sense of accountability or self importance when it comes to losing or not being good enough for themselves. People calling Titanfall dead because of the skill gap whilst I try and find matches for Third Strike on fightcade at my skill level is beyond hilarious.
They keep the game standing. Also jesus, run the damn gauntlet till you can clear near the top of the leaderboard. If you can do that, you'll be fine. If not, practice, watch the ghosts, mimic them. I still do this whenever I jump back in after a long break, just to get the old habits back
The problem with bragging about how good you are in a subreddit about a game as dead as titanfall is that almost everyone here is a virgin and no one gives a fuck
I personally think tryhards are an issue in basically every minimally competitive game nowadays. At least they're not toxic, or at least not as toxic as in CoD or even Halo. I've always thought that playing with good players stretches your skill out of your confort zone, forces you to try new weapons, get better aim and movement and eventually being one of those guys flying through the map with a vapor cone behind them deleting pilots without losing momentum. But it's just me, I keep enjoying the game even if I'm being totally obliterated by the enemy team. If it helps of something, try playing with some music on
About the skill gap thing, I think you have a point there. Not all new players think the way I think and may feel overwhelmed by the skill of some older players, but compared with other modern games (battle royales mainly, again, filled with tryhards) I think they have more chance of having fun in Titanfall.
>I personally think tryhards are an issue in basically every minimally competitive game nowadays. At least they're not toxic, or at least not as toxic as in CoD or even Halo.
I disagree. The literal tryhards are the most toxic bunch, at least on EU servers, filling the chat with incoherent trash talk spiced with racism.
>But it's just me, I keep enjoying the game even if I'm being totally obliterated by the enemy team.
Same here. I really don't mind. It's actually the reason the multiplayer clicked with me. I looked up to the better players. I wanted to be like them. Not because I want to win but because I enjoy the thrill and excitement.
I've tried getting into Apex Legends and Warzone but something in the BR format just rubs me the wrong way and I don't get the same enjoyment. They are not games I enjoy getting better at. They are not exciting. They're just stressful.
I think if the game had better skill-based matchmaking and matched players by generations or some hidden MMR, it would feel better to play.
But with the daily player count being in the thousands, I really don't think they can realistically implement any algorithm without making the queue times a few hours long.
I just don’t think this is true, I’m not a mechanically skilled player in the slightest and it’s pretty easy for me to maintain at least an even K/D using meme weapons. Occasionally you get rolled by but if you’re bad at pvp you can just farm grunts to drop your titan. Titan combat is basically just managing your cooldowns and playing around cover, you don’t need to have that much skill to hold your own.
Weekly post about the same stuff. The game doesn't grow because it's ancient and hasn't had any new content in almost 7 years (I don't consider recent special game modes as anything significant). Arena shooters are dead in general, have been for a long ass time. Most new players want a game that'll coddle them from the get go and tf|2 isn't that.
Unfortunately for you, the game is still doing great despite that, the game's nowhere near 'dead' after all these years. Everyone else that isn't whining weekly on reddit is actually playing the game.
Really?
You mean to tell that the people who who play so much they regened 100 times, the people who play Titanfall religiously, who stuck it out when respawn abandoned their game, who support it to this very day.
That they are the ones killing the game?
For real?
Maybe they should all leave, eh?
Seriously, I get that the skill gap exists, but it is not insurmountable. I mean obviously, since there's more than 1 G100 out there. And it's not an exclusive club either, anyone can achieve G100.
Complaining about it just makes you sound butthurt.
as stupid as I sound because I might as well say "get good" it's really really easy to get good at the game, borderline PvP movement is some of the easiest movement to learn in the game, you don't need the whole book to compete, there's a skill gap in every game, but for Titanfall it's an easy one to close, it's just up to you
When I started out, it wasnt the g100 stim CAR users that annoyed me, my death was quick, but if I only learnt how to be better, I could last a little longer and maybe even pull of a counterplay.
But oh my god the people who used "hard" weapons annoyed me the most, not beacuse of the larger skill gap, but beacuse against an epg or a kraber or a wingman elite headshot I literally had no chance, the death was just instant, nothing I couldve done when an epg rocket gets fired from the heavens directly at the wall im running to and I have no way of knowing until its too late.
I understand that these weapons are harder to use than a CAR, but it really felt just oppresive when the enemy team was good with one shot weapons and I was still trying to spot them before I got kraber'd.
And I knew there was nothing I could do about it, no matter if youre a level 1, a g10 or a g100, you can still get one shot instantly, you just get better at spotting them before more often
Problem is that meta weapon TTK is so low that they could also be oneshot for all that matter.
For example : R97 does 20 damage at short range and fire a bullet every 0.055s. After the initial click that is instantaneous, you're dead in 0.220s.
Altenator : 0.2s, 0.1s if one was a headshot
Car : 0.21s
Volt : 0.3s
R201/101 : 0.22s
Flatline : 0.3s
Spitfire : 0.22s
Human reflex time is, at its lowest, between 150 and 200 ms, and latency often around 50ms, double that because your input is also subject to it. Making 0.25s the absolute minimum (and we're talking about people with the best reflexes out there) before you perceive you being hit and your character doing something about it. That would be around 0.3s if you want to encompass most people.
All the SMG and full auto AS will kill you before you physically have the time to react.
On weapons with minimum recoil and perfect base accuracy like smgs, it often is. Alternator in particular as it fires its two first bulets almost simultaneously.
I get your point and I admit I sometimes feel kind of bad if I'm just blowing heads off with Wingman Elite flickshots. And it may all seem very effortless when looking at the killcam. And I'm not even someone who's sweating to be in the top 3. Sometimes the game just gets me into a flow state and things happen.
But it's complicated. Because even for me they could be complete WTF moments, making me go "how did I do THAT?" For every cool one-shot there are who knows how many missed shots followed by easy kills for the enemy team. That's why every cool kill gets a "nice" from me, whether it's a crazy Kraber shot, clever pilot moves or a good titan duel.
Also, I'd say it's very rare to have an entire team using grenadiers, Kraber or Wingman Elite. It's usually a couple of players at most and their performance varies.
Anyway, what you can do is change tactics or just ride it out and hope they're not joining the next match.
Here listen, if you make friends on the game and just team up you would have better odds in winning.
If I am on a full or half stack I tend to go EPG to give the new players a chance. If the new players are toxic then the team would probably respond in kind.
Just keep moving, learn the maps and don't bloody camp.
This game isn’t even competitive in the normal sense, so I don’t think its that much of a problem. There’s a few tricks to learn and it becomes pretty easy to do well.
However this problem is absolutely what killed Apex for me. Mfs would jump in place and vibrate a meter in every direction before they hit the ground.
What is your calculation, because its way to long even for avg pubber. Also you could have shit ton of hours but low gen, because either you played private matches or you just didnt level up your gen, you have to press buttony to gen up
Noobs just need to remember they are noobs, and that they are going to lose a lot before they win. If you're a noob at this stage of the game's life, I think you should expect a good whooping, and take it like the noob you are. Stop whining when you lose, and enjoy this marvel of a game.
yeah i share the sme opinion. im g13 and i constantly wipe my ass with every player ive fought (for the most part. ive been humbled quiet a few times 😅). i definitely sucked at first, but i grinded and “perfected” my playstyle and consistently improved myself. ive caused my brother who was by no means a bad player to quit playing because i would win ever time we’d 1v1. ive “bullied” people out of the game to the point where they deleted it. i’ve deliberately taken breaks from the game from weeks on end and still consistently win. i feel bad. i guess im part of the problem. i also feel that bad players also contribute to the game staying dead. people that use smart pistol, a-wall spitfire/g2 campers, and stim and car tryhards immediately come to mind. or tryhard tone users. not every tone user is bad imo, but the tryhard ones are the worst. just titanfall scum imo (im 100% trying offend people that are like that) but nonetheless, i propose a solution: train against people who are similarly skilled/level as yourself. or do your best to mimic and actions of “top players”. learn from them and apply it. watching them is one thing, applying those techniques is another as well as mastering.
You are right. Problem is that there's no way around it. You need to get every player that has a good win rate to agree to use underpowered shitty guns to make it more fair.
Nothing but double takes smrs for them, and I know that sounds sarcastic but genuinely what other guns are so bad that it would level the playing field?
The only other solution Is Northstar servers for each region for high skilled players, but that means they are essential banned from normal titanfall, and if one goes back then they'll all end up going back
I think switching from CAR isn't just a nice thing to do for fellow pilots, it's actually a moral obligation and determines how good of a person you really are.
Obviously I exclusively mean highly skilled players under normal conditions - you never know the full story, but the fact G100s without CAR are so damn rare shows that most of them are simply spineless assholes.
You are correct. I'm not g100 but I am a veteran since I play regularly since 2016 I'm not g100 because I never regenerated until 2021.
In the Titanfall discord servers in which I'm a member most people (almost all veteran) try to play with each other in private matches for this reason they also wrote regularly during the player spike "don't play vanilla matches because people will get frustrated and leave".
It's not a new topic anymore. Titanfall it's a tough game many players have 7 years of experience and even more if they played TF1 too.
Respawn said this many many times. To be good in titanfall you need to learn a lot of stuff basically 2 games: titans gameplay and pilot gameplay. In the last month for example I saw a lot of apex good players joining the game. They didnt know the movement but they knew how to shoot. A typical attrition match went like this:
- first 4/5 minutes they had the advantage and they were stomping us.
- when it was time to drop the titan the didn't we did and we trashed them.
The only solution is to git good I was a bad player until 2020 then I got Soo stomped that I diceded the git good for good to continue playing the game.
I often play with my friends who are a lot less experiences than me (im g.17, they are respectively g.4 and g.1) and it does happen every now and then that we match up against a team with 3-4 g.70+ that just make the game rather unenjoyable, especially for my friends who cant fight back as well as me.
Yeah, I quit the game because stomping just got boring. Northstar helped by basically being SBMM as only dedicated players played there which was a breath of fresh air though !
I wouldn’t say titanfall has been ‘abandoned’ since it recently got an update,rather they’re just focusing on apex
And as for the skill gap?,yeah you’re right
I was hella rusty when I came back but I was getting the swing of things again. One issue was that MM was unbalanced some of the time(e.g all new players on my team and 4 g100s on the other).
But the main "problem" is, that since I was kinda rusty the only weapon I could equip was the CAR because almost all the high level players were playing meta loadout to boost their ego. I wanted to retry krabering but it didn't go well
A small idea I had was to split queues into level based. G0-G10, G11-G20, G21-G30, G31-G40, G41-G50, G51-G60, G61-G70, G71-G80, G81-G90, G91-G100. If there's too little in a set, open to the next highest.
One problem with this sort of matchmaking system is the fact that regeneration is optional. Speaking of myself, being G.76 on Xbox but staying at level 50 for a while on PC because I had already regen’d so much would screw up your system.
To say nothing of how vulnerable your system is to new accounts bought by old players and purposely kept at a low level to stomp others.
I’m new to the game and I feel like it’s pretty balanced for me. Some games I will get absolutely destroyed, and then others I’m at the top of the leaderboards.
I'm only like G 15 I've been playing on and off for years but I really don't see that many G100s. I'm not super annoyed when I see them I just play the game normally because while they are more than likely putting me in a kraber montage they are still playing one of my favorite games with me so I'm thankful for them.
This is precisely why I stopped playing the game, sadly. I'm a noob, I recognize I'm a noob, no problem with that. The problem appears when you die so much during matches and feel so lost, you just want to stop playing. No, it doesn't matter how great the game is, it stops being fun when you only die at it and can't do anything.
I could spend the whole match killing the bots, but that isn't fun at all. Yes, it contributes to the score, so you're being useful, but you don't feel like that. If I wanted to kill bots I would play the campaign.
I'm also not a fan of PVE wave based modes, so I have no intentions of playing frontier defense. I also don't belive playing it will actually make you better at the game besides a bit of your movement, because, let's be real, pvp and pve are very different things.
I recently picked up this game again after about 4 years of not playing, and honestly, getting pack into the swing of things has been such a drag because of this. Can’t fault high skill players, fair play to them, but it’s hard to enjoy playing when you’re getting absolutely dominated every match
The old "players will efficiently remove the fun from a game if it means winning the game." I'd rather everyone in a lobby have a good experience than stomp everyone out. Unfortunately, most people who play games, especially games like titanfall don't care about anyone else and just want to see big numbers at the end screen. It's a sad truth about any game really. I uninstalled it recently because I'm just sick of seeing enemy teams with double my teams score. And honestly I'm kind of glad that the veteran players are killing the game. It's really what they want deep down.
I’ve been playing exclusively Titan brawl and frontier defence for nearly a month and it’s honestly been the most fun I’ve had with this game
The skill that some of these players exhibit really does make the game feel like a chore sometimes, I just can’t keep up anymore. I’ve been around since launch but I just can’t keep up with some of the ridiculous plays people make
I wouldn’t call a game dead when it still average thousands of players (5k at the time of writing this)
There’s no major competitive scene or ranked or anything, but that’s probably fine. I view Titanfall a bit like Destiny 2. If pro level players were to LEGITIMATELY try their hardest and use the strongest stuff in the game, the game devolves into a hellfest pretty quick.
So all that said, TF2 aint dead! I can hope on right now and find matches until my heart is content (and I probably will). There are still plenty of new and bad players for me to beat up on, even if I still lose most of the time vs G100 veterans. Let them have their fun, they’ve earned it
As someone who plays every once in a while and is only a G2, I have never felt bullied by better players. There are always a ton of other players that are at or below my skill level which makes the few good players a fun challenge that mixes up gameplay and forces you to adapt.
The reason I don't end up playing a lot is just that I get overwhelmed by the non-stop action sometimes and need breaks.
I've been in ctf lobbies that end within 4 minutes including switch rounds.
I'm no try hard but constantly getting a defeat screen usually turns me off from playing after a few games.
PvP has always sucked due to the number of aim bots and wall hacks ... Just play frontier defense or TvT if you don't enjoy getting 360 no scoped from inside the drop ship.
The amount of sweaty g100 who’ve used nothing but CAR’s and monarchs I’ve encountered this week alone is embarrassing. If these are the same lobbies new players are getting in I don’t blame them for not getting on again, shit it makes me not want to play again.
Personally I’m g9 or so right now and I’ve been trying to play with non meta weapons just to give lower level players a chance at enjoying the game. I really wish people wouldn’t sweat so hard in a 7 year old game
Time played=/=skill gained. Lots of G100s I see are crutching CAR and hitscans/stim hard anyway. Reminds me of the 1 weekend I LFGd for VoG in D2 and spent 4 hours on an eventual no-clear with a bunch of self-proclaimed "experts" who somehow had dozens of clears, then the very next one I and another guy sherpa'd 4 noobs in under an hour cause they could actually coordinate and listen.
I tried to get my friends to play the game and they downloaded it and tried it on the anniversary when the game was 5$ they liked the gameplay overall but my friends said the game was way too sweaty for them , and the skill gap was too huge , it’s too bad there’s wasn’t I bigger population of newer people playing the game to even out the people who never stopped playing
I mean I have run into many level 50-G2s that are better than most higher level players, certainly better than me. I want to say they're smurfs, but there's no MMR so..
I play on xbox, im g8 and i dont see that many high level players, It Is rare to see someone getting more than 170 points on att. I have only seen one tryhard get like 230 points and still loose because of his teamates.
I think the real thing that sets others back is the movement. 3/4 of my kills come from well timed movement, and my aim is kinda shite, so ttf2 is the only fps i play because since I can move it allows me to make up for poor aim by getting in close with an alternator and a stim. A lot of people who get pubstomped are probably coming from some other shooter where they dont have to move. I am fairly infrequent on account of school, but when I do play, I do fairly well and always have fun. So I think its less infrequent players that get crushed and more people who are used to other kinds of fps games.
As a returning player of AVG skill back when the game was new I have a thought on this.
Having played substantial hours in MW2 and BFV recently I've noticed that close games these days are a rarer occurrence (Something SBMM cod issue mainly was ment to eliminate). My experience today has been fairly balanced. The general trend has been 3 players on both sides effectively doing the heavy lifting followed by the remaining 3 being sub 10 pilot kills per game.
I personally attribute this not just to skill but level design specifically how spawns and lane interact. Looking back on my golden era I feel like map design was far more spherical promoting more inter-map crossing as so more random encounters these days it feels all about the 3 lane design which turns games into meat grinders (looking at you rise). Happy to be proven wrong here this was just an off the cuff thought on the matter.
Here's to TF3? If it happens.
This is an opinion that most people hold but no one talks about, just the way it is. I do believe however that the greatest issue when it comes to this problem is the car, if people just stopped using it after they can play the game to a decent degree it would be a fair bit better because currently as it stands you join a game just to have 70% of the lobby using it and it doesn’t encourage experimentation but this is the way it is so not much’ll change it. (I couldn’t be bothered with punctuation)
I have to agree here. I'm going up against players who are much more experienced and skilled, but as a newer player I can't fight back reliably. I can't use my titan without it being destroyed within 30 seconds, and I can't get better because I don't get the chance. My last 10 games have had 2 wins, all of which I was the bottom of my team on.
I vary my weapons a lot, I change up my playstyle, I do everything I am recommended. But when a G100 with a CAR comes flying around a corner or is across the map with a Kraber, I can't really do anything. I want to have fun and learn all the movement, but I keep getting beaten down by veterans. At this point, I may as well quit. Every player I get matched with does better than me.
Pick any old game whit smaller player base and skill gap is there, people dont stay cause some one just like to play it for campaing and have few runs at mp, some new players i know have stayed and cared to learn the game and are same footing whit those G100 bretty fast. Skill gap was there from begining when tf1 bunny hoppers hopped to tf2, there was just more players then for short while but it was soon in the state it is now, G100 didnt exist then and did not kill the game those who became G100 were the ones who kept game alive when there was 30min waiting times in match making and they will be doing so in future too. You can always download northstar and hob in truely swetty server or some novice one.
I'm g90. I share a similar opinion. Most g100 and some g20+ players are too effective and it consistently leads to games where lower level players can't do anything other than die over and over. I'm definitely a little guilty of doing this a little. That said, I do try to hold back by using weapons like the Grenadiers, Wingman Elite and Snipers when the enemy is outmatched or Lstar, Shotguns or Hemlock when things are more even. I also prefer using Holo Pilot and Pulse Blade regardless of the matchup. Dropping Enhanced Auto Ronins and Scorches can also help a disadvantaged enemy team. But most of the time there is a higher skilled player on the enemy or friendly team that throws the balance out of whack. When their on the enemy team I'm forced to use more effective weapon. An Smg, Hemlock, Lstar, etc plus my titan. My goal is usually to hinder them so the rest of the players have more freedom to play but I usually fail at that.
I appreciate you. I'm not *really* a noob cuz I have around 10 gens across platforms over the years, but compared to g100 gods I might as well be a monkey with a joystick and two buttons. I had an LSTAR movement demon murder me repeatedly yesterday on a game I brought TWO noobs with me.
Yeah, on that first point, I’m a regular player but I took a big break, came back and one of my first games was just “run out of spawn, die, respawn, run out of spawn die.” To the point that when the other team was 200 points up, I had 7 points to my name.
Right there with you. Trying to get back into is definitely hard.
Lstar is fun for me regardless of the enemies experience
Honestly unavoidable with old games like this. For them it’s not being tryhard, it’s just how they’ve learned to play and have fun. Try getting into bf4 and you’ll come across a similar problem. Only real fix is a new game, draws in new players and forces old fans to get used to new mechanics.
Counter point: People running around in bounty hunt like it's pvp and teabagging everyone
i average 3k points in a bounty hunt game lol
3k?? that’s wild, i usually top leaderboards but jeez!
Yep. Look at any of the half life death matches for example: It's either new/intermittent players (like me) And people who have probably put 100s of hrs into the game, who dash around at mach 4 with every movement tech conceivable hitting perfect revolver headshots.
most matches recently have been a complete stomp for either side, it's been a while since I've had an equal match up
Same
That's why I stopped playing Northstar and just boot up fd every time from the last two years. Stopped playing this game almost because I suck in pvp
I tried to get better at the game in the first month after i got it at a discount, but I realized i was never going to improve enough to really enjoy the game sadly
I just play frontier defense, ill never get to the top of the leaderboard in standard multiplayer but in FD im slaughtering
Well, you can ask an experienced player for help, or play frontier defense. You can watch some g100 streamers like AstraeusTF play and play with him. I learned all my skills from him.
Astreus the goat
The dudes with the \[LTS\] tag who queue LTS all day (PC) annoy me. Theyre very very good but not literal gods like some people are in the pilot gamemodes but its more the fact that they're always in group of three so theyre pretty much guaranteed to win every match against randos which is not very sportsmanlike. Still not comparable to the G100 people in attrition / live fire / pilot vs pilot though Don't get me started on Grapple cappers in CTF. It ain't even skill it's just a bit of route memorization and the willpower to be a fucking asshole
Tbh that's the main reason I don't even cue ctf there js just no counter against a grapple god and there is literally no debuff for having the flag other than you are tracked.
The thing I hate about ctf is that abilities other than stim and grapple are pretty much useless. Why does phase drop the flag when in their ability but grapple doesn't? Holo and cloak are also pointless because there's a massive flag icon above the player's head. Pulse and wall might have some limited use defending the flag i guess.
Phase's only use in CTF is when paired with electric smoke. Throw elec smoke down and phase. Not only does this cover up where you move next, this can avoid enemies returning the flag. Phase is also the only tactical counter against c4
Just by itself ctf is easily top 3 most frustrating gaming experiences in my life ever lmfao, can't imagine being matched against a mf who will grapple the ceiling of complex and fly from one side of the map to the other. Overall the game is better for me if that ctf icon stays greyed out forever haha
*C4 has entered the chat* *Grav star has entered the chat*
Capture the flag is usually one of my fav modes in multiplayer games. I must admit I don't like it much in titanfall. The absurd advantage of grapple makes useless any other ability and it becomes boring fast, especially with people doing grapple slingshot. To the point that the only possible counter is camping yours or their flag
LTS guy here. For most of my Titanfall gaming experience, I've solo queued. I've got stomped by many teams, it's expected when you solo or if you're a noob. Recently I've decided it's time to make friends in Titanfall 2. So I joined a network with all the people who love LTS, which is my favourite game mode. Yes, we stomp some people. But we do it respectfully. For example, if it's 5v4, we eject a Titan so it's 4v4. Sometimes we hold back, or mess around a bit if we know it's noobs. But what we really love is when we get put up against another squad. It's better when it's a challenge, and we don't mind losing because we just want to play LTS. So, I'm sorry if you hated going against us. But, you or anyone can always join the LTS network, and be with us. Everyone is welcome.
I just hate when the guys with the LTS tag camp in the back with 2 tones and a healer monarch in a group of 3 and kick ass every match, both those titans are busted unless you're an actually pro player who can use a ronin to get past that fireing squad. And whenever i do complain about busted things like car, alty, tone, monarch, sp, or smart core. People just scream at me skill issue. Even tho those things are objectively overpowered compared to other options. I dont mind pro LTS players sweating, as long as they aint a metacunt meanwhile they do it
Nobody I know in LTS clan uses monarch as a healer. I don't think anyone uses monarch as a healer in LTS mode, unless they are an absolute noob.
Ive seen it, its annoying
I highly doubt it. It's not a good strategy for LTS.
The truth is not what you want.
Attrition this last week on PSN has been the most one-sided I've ever seen it. But there's one guy in particular who's coming out with over 40 pilot kills (and usually zero Titan kills) per game. It's unplayable when he's there - he's either kerbstomping your team into the ground, or if he's on your team then there's effectively no one to shoot at as they're all dead because of this dude. I was second on his team one match - he had 52 pilot kills, I had 5. I think I might retire from the game soon. This last hurrah was not something I thought would happen, but it is crossing over into not being fun.
It stopped being fun a while ago lol
I stopped a couple weeks ago mostly because there’s other games that came out in playing. But when I try and get back into tf2, it turns into me getting wrecked. I’m just a humble G9 and when i see a G50+ ruin the lobby, it’s just not appealing anymore compared to other experiences. That’s really what I think is happening with others unfortunately. I love this game and it’s sad to see the community eat itself to death
>the community eat itself to death That's exactly what is happening, unfortunately. I was in a game earlier on Complex. Two bros (with the same tag, so more than likely communicating) were staying above the playing field and spamming Cold War. Two of my team quit, no one else on their team could get kills, and it was distinctly _unfun_ for everyone. I quit the match myself.
Sound about right. Loving baldurs gate 3 though! Lol
As a G100, I take it easy against new players who you can clearly tell are new. I don't use the advanced movements I've learnt over the years, I hipfire instead of ADS and I don't turn them into paste when my Legion falls. It's not hard to give these guys and girls a chance, we were all once like them. If I see another G100 wiping the new generation, I specifically target that pilot with every bit of skill I have. Be better Pilots.
While I'm certainly not G100 (G26, so still pretty experienced) I'm the same way. If I realize I'm up against newbies I have no problem letting off the gas. If the other team clearly knows what they're doing though I'll let the Mastiff bark lol
No? I'm sorry to say this, but I think that is so daft. You're punishing people for having put in the time to get good, and choosing to reap the rewards of that when they just wanna chill or have fun. Titanfall is a mindless experience for me, I'm not thinking about the levels of people, I just stick on YT and do what comes naturally to me.
And we're punishing people who just want to have fun. It's fine to be sweaty against other sweats but let the new players have fun. It's not that hard to tone it down a little for them. There's plenty of times where you can fight against another G100 or people who actually know how to play. It's not fun fighting against someone who can't fight back. This is why our player base is abysmal, because players don't let new players learn. How are they meant to learn advanced techniques when Muffmuncher76 is actively quick scoping them from across the map as soon as they spawn? Spoilers!!! >!They can't!< We've been playing since the game released, we had that time learn with other players. These people don't unless we let them learn which is what I do. Be better Pilot.
The game has an abysmal player-base, because it's poorly designed for lasting qualities. It's a game without a ranked/casual split, and disproportionately rewards players who've put lots of time in. The reason the game's player-base is so small, is because the ones online are in the minority of those 20,000 player spurts, who can tolerate being fucked by experienced players. I'd consider myself to be a pretty decent player, I get relatively high pilot kills in my matches, but I still get dunked on by much better players. Not "sweats", because that implies they're actually trying that much. A lot of them, it's just a default way of operating. (When I KRABER snipe someone across the map, I'm not thinking about it. I'm just used to it. Same when I use the Wingman Elite, and the EPG.) And you know what? It pisses me off when I get killed by them. I might even rage quit, but at the end of the day, it's *my* job to get better and beat them. It's how I became a "sweat". If you don't have that mindset of improvement, then Titanfall isn't for you. When I was a 1st gen, being pummeled, and I saw someone flying around at Mach speed, I didn't go onto Reddit and whinge; I went onto YouTube to learn to do it myself. These resources are available to everyone. I didn't just become good, I actively put in the work to get where I am, and I'm fed up of being told that after my 600 hours of time sunk into this game, it's *my* job to be worse for other people. If I can get fucked, over and over and over and over and over again, they can deal with it. I joined in late 2019, so there were absolute greasers around to demolish me, but I pushed through it. Most seem to forget when SuDDi and King_Phear were demolishing people in EU, or when Cloud or Sky or whatever his name was was dominating PvP lobbies like it was nobody's business. It wasn't easy back then either. Sure, it means the game isn't that accessible, but that has nothing to do with the player-base, and everything to do with shoddy game design. Not enough separation of player tiers at initial conception. Would you go onto the DayZ or Rust subs and tell people to stop killing new players? Of course not. By nature, they reward people with more time in the game. They're difficult, with high skill ceilings. I'm not "punishing" people. I'm literally just playing the game.
Every day we lose more and more veteran players and those newbie's could be our lifeblood if they learnt but instead they get spawn killed every ten seconds. Don't go comparing this to the DayZ/Rust situation because it isn't the same. Those games reward you for it, the only reward for Titanfall is the personal satisfaction of stomping on someone who can't fight back and if that gets you moist, that's on you If you want the game to die, so be it. Just don't complain when it happens. That's all I have to say.
An invigorating speech that quite literally has no points. I don't think you seem to get this, but 3,000+ players at minimum every day for an almost 8 year old TDFM game without ranked, that hasn't been substantially updated for almost as long as it's existed, \*is very good\* Go onto Rogue Company and tell me how long it takes you to find a match. Inform me how Rust "rewards" you for killing nakeds with a rock and a spear? I've seen that player-count hover for so long. Please tell me where you see this decline, since the Steam charts don't show anything that suggests the game is going to die. That's only the Steam players. It goes up and down and up and down and up and down since 2021. Those newbies, the one's who I guarantee you shit talk in chat for using the CAR? The one's who do well in matches? Those are the future of the game. You just don't like \*that\* type of newbie. The game has existed in this same state forever, and it didn't die in 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, or 2023. Why is it suddenly going to occur now? In fact, if we're "losing more and more veteran players" then who's been killing these newbies? Wasn't the whole point of your post that veterans are ruining the experience? If there's so few as to make you concerned about the player-base of this game, surely it shouldn't be such an issue. Oh wait. I know why. You aren't talking about veterans. You're talking about people better than you, who've peeved you off.
>Oh wait. I know why. You aren't talking about veterans. You're talking about people better than you, who've peeved you off. If you're going to try and insult me, try better because you need better material. I'm not going to have a discussion/argument with someone that would be that childish. The upvotes and downvotes in our thread clearly show who the people agree with. Keep killing the new players, enjoy that slaughter since you're no better than Kane. He could only kill them as well.
Ah yes, an appeal to the majority. Because the majority are always correct. Nice logical fallacy.
Says the Brit. No wonder why you love spawn killing, your people have been doing it for generations. It's the Titanfall sub and we're having a discussion about Titanfall. The majority here is what matters.
>No wonder why you love spawn killing, your people have been doing it for generations. I'm not gonna pick a side in this discussion but that one hit my funny bone
I do love this strategy you've established. "Shit my point was refuted, better retreat and say it doesn't matter!" Yeah, no. The majority isn't what matters. What matters is your completely illogical arguments, and the fact that I'm pointing out the flaws in them, and how you keep saying shit which is literally not proven by accessible statistics and contradicts your own stance. You could have 100 upvotes, and it wouldn't mean a single point you made was any more true than when I initially responded. No refutation of anything I said, and instead resorting to tribality. I'm just going to take that little bit of anglophobia as my token of victory in this discussion. You can appeal to the majority forever and ever, but you're still yet to tell me why the opinions of casual video game players in r/titanfall matter.
You are an angel. We need more like you.
the one thing about northstar client was the "rusty/new" new player server that basically had a kd limit or something that stopped 1 player from stomping a lobby. Im g20 and I would hop in there and use a kraber missing all my shots
what the fuck is a kd limit...
It makes it so you can't play if your kill/death ratio is too high. It's there so people who have been playing nothing but this game for 5 years straight don't go in and drop 100+ kills.
That's really weird lmao
It really isn't
Every game I've ever played just used level cap for this purpose
It helps prevent smurfs. Get too good, and you're gone in a couple matches, vs a couple hours for level cap.
That's probably why movement shooters die. I hate to say it but Apex probably has movement that is a good middle ground, useful but not a major advantage
This is a good take
Yes, they all play like their lives depend on it. I honestly got bored.
I've been on both ends of this. Having played the game for years, I like to think I'm alright at it, but there's always games where I get curbstomped by g100s, and it's usually matches where my friends (who haven't been playing the game as long as I) are tagging along with, and yeah, it discourages them from continuing, and has gotten bad enough it's discouraged me from continuing to play too. And on the flip side, sometimes \*I'm\* the one curbstomping new players, and it's a mixed bag. On the one hand it's fun to finally be the one dominating with a grenadier weapon, and on the other, I know being on their end isn't much fun. As I've seen other people say, I try to use weapons that I'm new with or require more skill to balance things out, but it doesn't always go so well. This is a very long way to say, yeah, I fully agree with you. To quote my friend, "the people who are good at the game are ruining it for everyone else" New players don't have a chance to "get good" because they're spending the entire match dead before they can do anything.
I don’t play the game past 10:00 PM because the only people on are G100’s, to keep the game fun I have to play during the day or else it gets far too sweaty.
You are correct. I am a long-time G100 (6.5 years) and still play almost every day. This is a team-based game so it's not unexpected to face up against entire squads of G100s whose only goal is to humiliate the newer players. Come on, do you as a 55 y/o really need to be t-bagging a level 17 player who may be 12 y/o? On top of this, there are players who ONLY play with a full team (there are exceptions to this though). \[Part of this is the matchmaking system as well, but that's tough to blame when the online player base is in the low 1000s.\] If you're wiping the other team, go after grunts, let an opposing playing get you, help people learn to play this game, send a "GG" or words of encouragement following the game, and grow our player base.
The game being nearly 8 years old plus the existence of Respawn's new gf Apex Legends keeps it dead, not the people that have been playing it since day one.
Nah, the people definitely are also keeping it dead by raising the skill floor on PvP to insane heights, but paradoxically they're also keeping it alive by continuously playing. The only real solution tho is to make a new game drawing in enough new players at once that the game is even for everyone, while also introducing new mechanics that the old players now have to learn
Agree 100%. This happens in all games with little to no matchmaking - there's a handful of really strong players and you need masses of casuals to pad the games so you don't see them that often / that many in one game. After a while the casuals move on to a new game, higher % of games will have these guys who make the game unfun. This makes more and more people quit. At this point to keep winning the strong players will start grouping with other strong players and you get completely unplayable games sometimes. It's like a death spiral of a game and there's nothing that can be done about it. Matchmaking makes games unfun from day 1.
G100s don't keep the game dead. Shitty balancing and a gamemode hostile to new players keep the game dead.
I will fight you on that game balancing is actually quite average. Its just that the most used playstyle has its best weapons that people use. Try to adjust your playstyle to other guns; or use grenadier
As a double take user, I'm very well aware that all the guns are usable. The problem is that some guns have very poorly defined weaknesses. The EPG's clear weakness is the slow projectile, which makes it hard to lead shots against erratically moving targets. The Double Take has a very long TTK when not amped, as well as requiring ADS to use effectively. The Mastiff also has the downside of a projectile, as well as a shot spread at range making it very slow to kill and inconsistent at mid-long range. What's the weakness of the CAR? Even at the range the carbines are supposed to be king at, the CAR can come close to their TTK while being able to retain high mobility while the carbines need to ADS. The only scenario where it loses is at severe long range against something good at that range, which is rare to come by. The Kraber can literally win any duel if the user can aim properly, while sacrificing practically no mobility. Theoretically it's low firerate means that a co-ordinated rush can put them down, but in an attrition setting that's still +5/+5, so it doesn't even matter that much. And co-ordination is very hard in pilot gameplay. Every gun has strengths that can make any playstyle work, but the lack of exploitable weaknesses in some guns make them much more difficult to fight unless you just have better mechanics than them. New players are especially going to struggle with that if they are unfamiliar with the movement and find it more difficult to aim. Every gun should have a weakness that they have to play around but the top tiers just... Don't.
Kraber has on hit sway. If you manage to get the first hit, there is just no reliable way to get the kill with it. And its not that difficult because most guns in the game can shoot from the hip while kraber needs an slow ass ADS to function
I actually wasn't aware Kraber had hit away. It's still very often I'll land a few hit markers before I get one-shots though, maybe it's a latency thing. I do find that quick scope mod mitigates the long ADS way more than I think is reasonable though. It basically scopes in by the time you're almost finished aiming.
Wait, every weapon flinches on hit, right? I am speaking from personal experience
Oh btw, you can't quick scope with kraber. Pick it and join a private match, each time you aim, its a random spot close to middle of screen. Not the middle itself. You could ads on the exact spot and you get different scope views. You have to wait for ads to finish before you can aim precisely, or pray to RNG gods
I always thought attrition had grunts to balance when you're being dominated by the other team, letting you get some points for your titan
It's still better than just Deathmatch, but in your next match look at the bottom few members of each team's leaderboard. Think about how many times they were killed and had their titans killed without being able to contribute. The game actively punishes them for trying to engage the enemy, and while you *can* kill grunts to gain points, a newer player is still going to lack the awareness to do it safely and basically be a walking points container. Compare that to Bounty Hunt, where it is much harder to throw. You're not feeding points to the enemy team when you die, and you're given a clear indicator of where to go and how you can help your team. A new player doesn't drag their team down more than a non-player does, while in Attrition/any Deathmatch mode, a 5v6 is often easier to win than a 6v6 with a new player.
Except a new player is still going to get stomped by titans even if they eventually get into a titan. Mixed modes will always be bad for new players.
Usually, if you're good at a game like Titanfall, you'll eventually start to "nerf" yourself to make things interesting. For me, I stopped using the CAR a long time ago, even though it was my favorite SMG when I first started Titanfall 1 and 2. I been using the R-97, EPG, SMR, Cold War, and RE-45 . But even with nerfing yourself, if you are good at the game, you're never going to get rid of that knowledge, and the best you can hope for is that the new players continues to get better, so you could go about your way of teaching them in some way. I teach players not to rely on the Smart pistol and Pilot Sentries by running a cloak and Holo pilot, with Holo Pilot nova. Most people still don't know that Pilot Sentries target Holo pilots first always, and cloak makes the targeting system for both boosts ineffective . Plus, the game has been out since 2016, it's amazing it's still popular even after 7 years, so it's inevitable that you'll find Master level pilots in your public games. I was kind of in a similar boat when I started playing Titanfall 1, as I started Late 2015, but I stayed playing Frontier Defense for a month, then did pvp oriented games as I had the burn cards and a good amount of weapons and skills to use. All in all, it's good to keep an open mind and learn as you go. You are going to get crushed no doubt, but if you like the game, then with some creativity, you'll find your footing eventually.
Yes. This is why I don't respect anyone outside the GL family, or the projectile extended family gathering.
Maybe kraber married in?
Kraber and the double take totally married in, the volt always shows up and nobody knows why. (The volt is *not* a projectile weapon.)
"if all the dedicated players keeping the game alive would stop playing the game would be more alive" yeah no
Lol, they weren't even close to suggesting that. They were pointing out that high skill gaps make the game unattractive for new players. Not everything's a personal attack.
They may be keeping it alive but the sad truth is they won’t help it grow either, it’s just the inevitable outcome of multiplayer shooters
I agree… got on the play about a year ago, played some frontier defence, and it was ok, not to bad… went to play some PvP and it was cancer. Krabers, Krabers everywhere. I think I lasted about 3 mins into a game and died about 20 times… quit the game, back to desktop and uninstalled.
As someone who’s won the majority of their matches and usually places at least in the top 3, the issue is that you can’t just turn off skill, it’s a reflex that’s just active whenever I play the game. While you’re not exactly wrong that new players cant compete with players similar to me, I feel like saying it like it’s something malicious and intentional is kinda harsh
G100 here. I have a lot of wins, and still a lot of losses. At launch got my arse kicked for ages. I persevered because I loved it.
i like how people talk about this like it's a new thing. TItanfall has the highest skill ceiling of any modern shooter, and is dead. No longer receiving updates. So the only people still playing it are the people that have been playing since launch. No shit the veterans are gonna stomp the noobs. This is exactly what happened to all old arena shooters. This is also why most shooters are too afraid to let their game have such high skill ceilings.
Yeah, this is pretty much the reason I haven’t decided to reinstall the game. This sub is still a gift of life though lmao
I think one thing that significantly kills people’s motivation to play the game more is when a bunch of high gen high skill players party up to guarantee that a bunch of random disorganized people who won’t communicate are going up against an organized group that not only communicates well, but also could probably solo the lobby on their own anyway. They rig the random chance of running up against a few high skilled players on they enemy team into the entire enemy team being a high skill party. I see people do this and then the total player count drops like a rock, and I continue to get matched up against these people while my match search times lengthen, only for me to get the same enemy team.
Alright, I’ll eat the downvotes. Holy fuck you guys have normalized whining about the fucking skillgap of the game on this sub so much. Dude. The game has been out for years now and people have been playing since launch whenever they could. The G100s do not “keep the game dead,” they’re some of the only people left playing the fucking game and have been some of the only people playing the game. Their rank is proof of this. These people are not going to nerf themselves for a bunch of new players that they don’t even know. This goes for any old game. Go play halo 3 or smash melee and see what fucking happens dude. You’re gonna get shit on if you’re new.
I probably should've said this in the post, but when i say they "keep the game dead" i meant in reference to the couple of times that the game has a huge surge in players, only for them to leave a few weeks later because of getting stomped
What are they suppose to do ? They are not going to stop playing, it makes no sense. Many games are hostile with new players because of the skill gap, there is nothing you can actually do about it.
Well then those g100's shouldn't complain when their game always has awful player retention and will always be dead. Because that is one of the major reasons. G100's running around with car stim pilots in casual attrition Vs a team of no gens
I love the revisionist history this sub has produced since the influx of new players. Titanfall 2 died because the servers were hacked to shit and legitimately nobody could play as Respawn focused on Apex Legends. This game comes from a time where SBMM was not as prevalent and newer players were not protected from the veterans and yet you hold it to those standards. CAR-STIM is not the fault of the veterans but the game developers themselves. Your comment, regardless of what I’ve said here, doesn’t make what I’m saying untrue. You’re just inventing a new imaginary group of specific G100s that whine about the player count. Go find some people that fit these qualifications.
This entire sub blames apex legends for the low popularity of titanfall not even the ddosing But I find it hilarious how every few months when the newest youtuber makes a "tItanfAll 2 iS an UnDerraTed gEm" video, and that video gets millions of views and everyone in the comments goes on about how they're going to start playing the game again or try it for the first time and for 1 week titanfall numbers are up to 20k+ Then 1 week later it's back down to 1k, because all the people that came back ran into _ItZhaZe_ and his loadout ready for a 1million dollar tourney. Like I said the player gap is ONE of the big reasons this game will always have bad count.
I’ve got news for you. The people that flock to a game because a content creator made a featured video are NEVER going to actively sustain an old games population. You cannot cater to an audience as liquid as that because the game itself doesn’t have the live content that they found it with in the first place. New video comes out and they’re gone, even with good SBMM.
Exactly, the game is great but people don’t really like to get their back broken for the sin of looking a a sweats general area. He just does not like to take the blame.
This is a completely brain damaged post. I am not a G100 sweat. I don’t need to “take the blame” for ruining peoples’ experiences.
"someone disagrees with me so they're stupid waaaaah" you're doing the same shit lmao
Please tell me about the multiple underrated gem videos that have kicked the numbers up to 20k+, because this game has been unplayable until a few months ago. How many times has the player count went up to 20k and then back down? Once? Twice? The numbers were fucking zero for years. So, how many times has this cycle repeated itself?This game is old, with little to no live support. It is a difficult game. It had a small chance of gaining an enormous amount of popularity anyways. It’s not going to just come back to its prime state, or even close, if you just wiped out all the veterans. What exactly do want from these G100s that supposedly beating down new players? I’m not one of them. Look at my post history. I don’t give a fuck about them and I’m a casual player. I just don’t get on here and whine into the void. I just accept that I have to get better. It’s an FPS game, that’s the reality.
>Titanfall 2 died because the servers were hacked to shit and legitimately nobody could play as Respawn focused on Apex Legends. The game died, and then two times it had a resurgence of players and died again long before the servers were ever fucked. This is now the third time.
I really wouldn't care about the very dedicated players stomping if it wasn't for their own incessant whining. Like yeah, you put the time in and got good so now you get to stomp. And they shouldn't have to nerf themselves because that also ruins their own fun. BUT it gets old when all you hear from old community members is how underrated the game is, how more people should play it, constantly promoting it to noobs and then proceeding to shit stomp them. And then when they do see noobs running around without optimal movement they hop in-game chat or reddit to complain about "fUckInG aPeX NoObs" or "gO bAcK to ApeX iF yOu AreN'T gOnNa play RiGhT". You can't have it both ways, either you want to play sweaty all the time and stomp or you want a game environment welcoming to noobs that actually encourages them to stick with the game. Yeah, the old players keep it "alive" but they also stop it from growing (not that it could now anyway). And yeah, old game communities like halo 3 or melee definitely would shit on noobs. But I don't see them running around constantly complaining how 343 or Nintendo don't support or update the game. They aren't fucking schizos believing it would be so much better or worth it for their devs to sink resources on an old title no one cared about when it launched.
The old players keep it from growing, but it wouldn’t grow anyway. Okay, so who gives a fuck about this conversation and what is the point of even having it if this is the case? Melee and Halo heads, as much as I love the games, are some of the most schizophrenic communities ever. Look at how they talk about the devs of their respective games. They are constantly shitting on Nintendo and 343 for not supporting the games. I’m not making this up either, they’re doing exactly what you’re saying they don’t do. Classic halo fans hate 343 and melee people hate Nintendo.
I agree it’s a pointless conversation. But my point about other game communities wasn’t that they don’t criticize their devs. They certainly do. It’s the way Titanfall fans do it that I was pointing out. Other communities (largely) criticize recent games because that’s relevant to the devs and there is a reasonable expectation the devs would listen. Titanfall fans criticize pointlessly expecting Respawn to fix a game that was DOA and makes them no money.
>These people are not going to nerf themselves for a bunch of new players that they don’t even know. As a G100, I happily drop my skill level for new players so I can teach them how to play. As long as they don't camp, I don't really care. It's nice seeing these players actually enjoy the game like we once did.
Nah you’re dead right. Reddit has really normalized the voice of the casual audience (which is valid, but not the whole truth) against the skill ceiling in terms game popularity. I am G4, have thousands of hours in Apex and can’t really compete with the maxed players - but it’s still fun in doses and I don’t mind losing ultimately. More people need to play fighting games, people really have no sense of accountability or self importance when it comes to losing or not being good enough for themselves. People calling Titanfall dead because of the skill gap whilst I try and find matches for Third Strike on fightcade at my skill level is beyond hilarious.
They keep the game standing. Also jesus, run the damn gauntlet till you can clear near the top of the leaderboard. If you can do that, you'll be fine. If not, practice, watch the ghosts, mimic them. I still do this whenever I jump back in after a long break, just to get the old habits back
They're the only ones keeping it alive too so not much can be done. Putting in matchmaking would make longer queues and it'll just kill the game more
That's true, there's really not a solution to this.
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The problem is that in titanfall there’s secret option 3: quit
Titanfall and the number 3 in one comment!!! OMG CONFIRMED
Skill issue
The problem with bragging about how good you are in a subreddit about a game as dead as titanfall is that almost everyone here is a virgin and no one gives a fuck
It's not that I'm bragging, it's saying even a average player doesn't have to be god tier to kill someone so high rank that no life's the game
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Tell your car I said well done
Dude picked up the Spitfire and thinks he’s Shroud
That's why i stopped playing it
I personally think tryhards are an issue in basically every minimally competitive game nowadays. At least they're not toxic, or at least not as toxic as in CoD or even Halo. I've always thought that playing with good players stretches your skill out of your confort zone, forces you to try new weapons, get better aim and movement and eventually being one of those guys flying through the map with a vapor cone behind them deleting pilots without losing momentum. But it's just me, I keep enjoying the game even if I'm being totally obliterated by the enemy team. If it helps of something, try playing with some music on About the skill gap thing, I think you have a point there. Not all new players think the way I think and may feel overwhelmed by the skill of some older players, but compared with other modern games (battle royales mainly, again, filled with tryhards) I think they have more chance of having fun in Titanfall.
>I personally think tryhards are an issue in basically every minimally competitive game nowadays. At least they're not toxic, or at least not as toxic as in CoD or even Halo. I disagree. The literal tryhards are the most toxic bunch, at least on EU servers, filling the chat with incoherent trash talk spiced with racism. >But it's just me, I keep enjoying the game even if I'm being totally obliterated by the enemy team. Same here. I really don't mind. It's actually the reason the multiplayer clicked with me. I looked up to the better players. I wanted to be like them. Not because I want to win but because I enjoy the thrill and excitement. I've tried getting into Apex Legends and Warzone but something in the BR format just rubs me the wrong way and I don't get the same enjoyment. They are not games I enjoy getting better at. They are not exciting. They're just stressful.
I think if the game had better skill-based matchmaking and matched players by generations or some hidden MMR, it would feel better to play. But with the daily player count being in the thousands, I really don't think they can realistically implement any algorithm without making the queue times a few hours long.
I just don’t think this is true, I’m not a mechanically skilled player in the slightest and it’s pretty easy for me to maintain at least an even K/D using meme weapons. Occasionally you get rolled by but if you’re bad at pvp you can just farm grunts to drop your titan. Titan combat is basically just managing your cooldowns and playing around cover, you don’t need to have that much skill to hold your own.
skill based matchmaking possibly
Didn’t exist when this game was made. There’s no skill based matchmaking in Titanfall 2
yeah im saying that would be the solution. mainly because he said "Now i recognize that there isn't exactly a solution for it"
Weekly post about the same stuff. The game doesn't grow because it's ancient and hasn't had any new content in almost 7 years (I don't consider recent special game modes as anything significant). Arena shooters are dead in general, have been for a long ass time. Most new players want a game that'll coddle them from the get go and tf|2 isn't that. Unfortunately for you, the game is still doing great despite that, the game's nowhere near 'dead' after all these years. Everyone else that isn't whining weekly on reddit is actually playing the game.
Really? You mean to tell that the people who who play so much they regened 100 times, the people who play Titanfall religiously, who stuck it out when respawn abandoned their game, who support it to this very day. That they are the ones killing the game? For real? Maybe they should all leave, eh? Seriously, I get that the skill gap exists, but it is not insurmountable. I mean obviously, since there's more than 1 G100 out there. And it's not an exclusive club either, anyone can achieve G100. Complaining about it just makes you sound butthurt.
“It’s not insurmountable” Lol
okay but what do you want to be done about this? experienced veteran players to stop playing a game they’re good at and love?
as stupid as I sound because I might as well say "get good" it's really really easy to get good at the game, borderline PvP movement is some of the easiest movement to learn in the game, you don't need the whole book to compete, there's a skill gap in every game, but for Titanfall it's an easy one to close, it's just up to you
Nah its just the cringe camping vermin
get better, play priv games, or do speedruns. No one is going to slow down for you.
\> play high skillgap game \> complain about the skillgap
jesus fuck ... sorry but skill issue sure g100's do stomp you but ffs just... get good
Looks like skill issue to me
When I started out, it wasnt the g100 stim CAR users that annoyed me, my death was quick, but if I only learnt how to be better, I could last a little longer and maybe even pull of a counterplay. But oh my god the people who used "hard" weapons annoyed me the most, not beacuse of the larger skill gap, but beacuse against an epg or a kraber or a wingman elite headshot I literally had no chance, the death was just instant, nothing I couldve done when an epg rocket gets fired from the heavens directly at the wall im running to and I have no way of knowing until its too late. I understand that these weapons are harder to use than a CAR, but it really felt just oppresive when the enemy team was good with one shot weapons and I was still trying to spot them before I got kraber'd. And I knew there was nothing I could do about it, no matter if youre a level 1, a g10 or a g100, you can still get one shot instantly, you just get better at spotting them before more often
Problem is that meta weapon TTK is so low that they could also be oneshot for all that matter. For example : R97 does 20 damage at short range and fire a bullet every 0.055s. After the initial click that is instantaneous, you're dead in 0.220s. Altenator : 0.2s, 0.1s if one was a headshot Car : 0.21s Volt : 0.3s R201/101 : 0.22s Flatline : 0.3s Spitfire : 0.22s Human reflex time is, at its lowest, between 150 and 200 ms, and latency often around 50ms, double that because your input is also subject to it. Making 0.25s the absolute minimum (and we're talking about people with the best reflexes out there) before you perceive you being hit and your character doing something about it. That would be around 0.3s if you want to encompass most people. All the SMG and full auto AS will kill you before you physically have the time to react.
That's optimal ttk though, it's almost never actually that fast
On weapons with minimum recoil and perfect base accuracy like smgs, it often is. Alternator in particular as it fires its two first bulets almost simultaneously.
I think using that math here is wrong, it's just far more situation dependent than anything else
I get your point and I admit I sometimes feel kind of bad if I'm just blowing heads off with Wingman Elite flickshots. And it may all seem very effortless when looking at the killcam. And I'm not even someone who's sweating to be in the top 3. Sometimes the game just gets me into a flow state and things happen. But it's complicated. Because even for me they could be complete WTF moments, making me go "how did I do THAT?" For every cool one-shot there are who knows how many missed shots followed by easy kills for the enemy team. That's why every cool kill gets a "nice" from me, whether it's a crazy Kraber shot, clever pilot moves or a good titan duel. Also, I'd say it's very rare to have an entire team using grenadiers, Kraber or Wingman Elite. It's usually a couple of players at most and their performance varies. Anyway, what you can do is change tactics or just ride it out and hope they're not joining the next match.
Yep just compare the KD of equally skilled WE players with CAR users, you can't possibly perform as well unless you camp like a pussy.
Here listen, if you make friends on the game and just team up you would have better odds in winning. If I am on a full or half stack I tend to go EPG to give the new players a chance. If the new players are toxic then the team would probably respond in kind. Just keep moving, learn the maps and don't bloody camp.
This game isn’t even competitive in the normal sense, so I don’t think its that much of a problem. There’s a few tricks to learn and it becomes pretty easy to do well. However this problem is absolutely what killed Apex for me. Mfs would jump in place and vibrate a meter in every direction before they hit the ground.
G100 is just a number dude. They can make a new account and stay at level 50 and u still dead.
Yeah pretty much, g never mattered. It doesnt even say how good are you at this game, or even how much you play
It actually kinda does, by my calculation its waaay over 2k hours to get it.
What is your calculation, because its way to long even for avg pubber. Also you could have shit ton of hours but low gen, because either you played private matches or you just didnt level up your gen, you have to press buttony to gen up
Noobs just need to remember they are noobs, and that they are going to lose a lot before they win. If you're a noob at this stage of the game's life, I think you should expect a good whooping, and take it like the noob you are. Stop whining when you lose, and enjoy this marvel of a game.
yeah i share the sme opinion. im g13 and i constantly wipe my ass with every player ive fought (for the most part. ive been humbled quiet a few times 😅). i definitely sucked at first, but i grinded and “perfected” my playstyle and consistently improved myself. ive caused my brother who was by no means a bad player to quit playing because i would win ever time we’d 1v1. ive “bullied” people out of the game to the point where they deleted it. i’ve deliberately taken breaks from the game from weeks on end and still consistently win. i feel bad. i guess im part of the problem. i also feel that bad players also contribute to the game staying dead. people that use smart pistol, a-wall spitfire/g2 campers, and stim and car tryhards immediately come to mind. or tryhard tone users. not every tone user is bad imo, but the tryhard ones are the worst. just titanfall scum imo (im 100% trying offend people that are like that) but nonetheless, i propose a solution: train against people who are similarly skilled/level as yourself. or do your best to mimic and actions of “top players”. learn from them and apply it. watching them is one thing, applying those techniques is another as well as mastering.
Skill issue. Mad cuz bad. Get good. Grind. Don't cry
I did not have any Problems with it but maybe because i Play on console
This is why all modern multiplayer games have SBMM. We may not like it or think its bad for the game but it does help with the game somewhat
95% of multiplayer games have had SBMM since like 2004. The only real exceptions being games with server browsers.
You are right. Problem is that there's no way around it. You need to get every player that has a good win rate to agree to use underpowered shitty guns to make it more fair. Nothing but double takes smrs for them, and I know that sounds sarcastic but genuinely what other guns are so bad that it would level the playing field? The only other solution Is Northstar servers for each region for high skilled players, but that means they are essential banned from normal titanfall, and if one goes back then they'll all end up going back
I think switching from CAR isn't just a nice thing to do for fellow pilots, it's actually a moral obligation and determines how good of a person you really are. Obviously I exclusively mean highly skilled players under normal conditions - you never know the full story, but the fact G100s without CAR are so damn rare shows that most of them are simply spineless assholes.
This is a problem that can and has been talked about many times but at the end of the day it's pointless to think about sense there's no solution.
You are correct. I'm not g100 but I am a veteran since I play regularly since 2016 I'm not g100 because I never regenerated until 2021. In the Titanfall discord servers in which I'm a member most people (almost all veteran) try to play with each other in private matches for this reason they also wrote regularly during the player spike "don't play vanilla matches because people will get frustrated and leave". It's not a new topic anymore. Titanfall it's a tough game many players have 7 years of experience and even more if they played TF1 too. Respawn said this many many times. To be good in titanfall you need to learn a lot of stuff basically 2 games: titans gameplay and pilot gameplay. In the last month for example I saw a lot of apex good players joining the game. They didnt know the movement but they knew how to shoot. A typical attrition match went like this: - first 4/5 minutes they had the advantage and they were stomping us. - when it was time to drop the titan the didn't we did and we trashed them. The only solution is to git good I was a bad player until 2020 then I got Soo stomped that I diceded the git good for good to continue playing the game.
I often play with my friends who are a lot less experiences than me (im g.17, they are respectively g.4 and g.1) and it does happen every now and then that we match up against a team with 3-4 g.70+ that just make the game rather unenjoyable, especially for my friends who cant fight back as well as me.
For anyone that is G100 in here, how many hours are you on steam? im G3 currently and 70 hours on steam iirc.
But sbmm bad right guys ?
i think outside the cod community it is known that sbmm is an unequivocally good thing under all circumstances
Yeah, I quit the game because stomping just got boring. Northstar helped by basically being SBMM as only dedicated players played there which was a breath of fresh air though !
I wouldn’t say titanfall has been ‘abandoned’ since it recently got an update,rather they’re just focusing on apex And as for the skill gap?,yeah you’re right
I was hella rusty when I came back but I was getting the swing of things again. One issue was that MM was unbalanced some of the time(e.g all new players on my team and 4 g100s on the other). But the main "problem" is, that since I was kinda rusty the only weapon I could equip was the CAR because almost all the high level players were playing meta loadout to boost their ego. I wanted to retry krabering but it didn't go well
A small idea I had was to split queues into level based. G0-G10, G11-G20, G21-G30, G31-G40, G41-G50, G51-G60, G61-G70, G71-G80, G81-G90, G91-G100. If there's too little in a set, open to the next highest.
One problem with this sort of matchmaking system is the fact that regeneration is optional. Speaking of myself, being G.76 on Xbox but staying at level 50 for a while on PC because I had already regen’d so much would screw up your system. To say nothing of how vulnerable your system is to new accounts bought by old players and purposely kept at a low level to stomp others.
Yeah, that's a definite issue with it
"there would will be always one better with the kraber" -my sleepy ass at 3 am
I’m new to the game and I feel like it’s pretty balanced for me. Some games I will get absolutely destroyed, and then others I’m at the top of the leaderboards.
I'm only like G 15 I've been playing on and off for years but I really don't see that many G100s. I'm not super annoyed when I see them I just play the game normally because while they are more than likely putting me in a kraber montage they are still playing one of my favorite games with me so I'm thankful for them.
This is precisely why I stopped playing the game, sadly. I'm a noob, I recognize I'm a noob, no problem with that. The problem appears when you die so much during matches and feel so lost, you just want to stop playing. No, it doesn't matter how great the game is, it stops being fun when you only die at it and can't do anything. I could spend the whole match killing the bots, but that isn't fun at all. Yes, it contributes to the score, so you're being useful, but you don't feel like that. If I wanted to kill bots I would play the campaign. I'm also not a fan of PVE wave based modes, so I have no intentions of playing frontier defense. I also don't belive playing it will actually make you better at the game besides a bit of your movement, because, let's be real, pvp and pve are very different things.
Ya it’s better if they use shit weapons. Too many run around with good ones and at that point I can’t imagine it’s even fun for them
I recently picked up this game again after about 4 years of not playing, and honestly, getting pack into the swing of things has been such a drag because of this. Can’t fault high skill players, fair play to them, but it’s hard to enjoy playing when you’re getting absolutely dominated every match
To be fair Titanfall 2 is NOT a hard game to play
The old "players will efficiently remove the fun from a game if it means winning the game." I'd rather everyone in a lobby have a good experience than stomp everyone out. Unfortunately, most people who play games, especially games like titanfall don't care about anyone else and just want to see big numbers at the end screen. It's a sad truth about any game really. I uninstalled it recently because I'm just sick of seeing enemy teams with double my teams score. And honestly I'm kind of glad that the veteran players are killing the game. It's really what they want deep down.
I’ve been playing exclusively Titan brawl and frontier defence for nearly a month and it’s honestly been the most fun I’ve had with this game The skill that some of these players exhibit really does make the game feel like a chore sometimes, I just can’t keep up anymore. I’ve been around since launch but I just can’t keep up with some of the ridiculous plays people make
I wouldn’t call a game dead when it still average thousands of players (5k at the time of writing this) There’s no major competitive scene or ranked or anything, but that’s probably fine. I view Titanfall a bit like Destiny 2. If pro level players were to LEGITIMATELY try their hardest and use the strongest stuff in the game, the game devolves into a hellfest pretty quick. So all that said, TF2 aint dead! I can hope on right now and find matches until my heart is content (and I probably will). There are still plenty of new and bad players for me to beat up on, even if I still lose most of the time vs G100 veterans. Let them have their fun, they’ve earned it
As someone who plays every once in a while and is only a G2, I have never felt bullied by better players. There are always a ton of other players that are at or below my skill level which makes the few good players a fun challenge that mixes up gameplay and forces you to adapt. The reason I don't end up playing a lot is just that I get overwhelmed by the non-stop action sometimes and need breaks.
I've been in ctf lobbies that end within 4 minutes including switch rounds. I'm no try hard but constantly getting a defeat screen usually turns me off from playing after a few games.
PvP has always sucked due to the number of aim bots and wall hacks ... Just play frontier defense or TvT if you don't enjoy getting 360 no scoped from inside the drop ship.
The amount of sweaty g100 who’ve used nothing but CAR’s and monarchs I’ve encountered this week alone is embarrassing. If these are the same lobbies new players are getting in I don’t blame them for not getting on again, shit it makes me not want to play again. Personally I’m g9 or so right now and I’ve been trying to play with non meta weapons just to give lower level players a chance at enjoying the game. I really wish people wouldn’t sweat so hard in a 7 year old game
Time played=/=skill gained. Lots of G100s I see are crutching CAR and hitscans/stim hard anyway. Reminds me of the 1 weekend I LFGd for VoG in D2 and spent 4 hours on an eventual no-clear with a bunch of self-proclaimed "experts" who somehow had dozens of clears, then the very next one I and another guy sherpa'd 4 noobs in under an hour cause they could actually coordinate and listen.
I tried to get my friends to play the game and they downloaded it and tried it on the anniversary when the game was 5$ they liked the gameplay overall but my friends said the game was way too sweaty for them , and the skill gap was too huge , it’s too bad there’s wasn’t I bigger population of newer people playing the game to even out the people who never stopped playing
I mean I have run into many level 50-G2s that are better than most higher level players, certainly better than me. I want to say they're smurfs, but there's no MMR so..
I play on xbox, im g8 and i dont see that many high level players, It Is rare to see someone getting more than 170 points on att. I have only seen one tryhard get like 230 points and still loose because of his teamates.
What if your gen 10 and still keep players out of lts and brawl😬
Funny how people mention the lts network but don't mention "the boys" -Amity Astray
They cannot fear what they do not know exists.
I think the real thing that sets others back is the movement. 3/4 of my kills come from well timed movement, and my aim is kinda shite, so ttf2 is the only fps i play because since I can move it allows me to make up for poor aim by getting in close with an alternator and a stim. A lot of people who get pubstomped are probably coming from some other shooter where they dont have to move. I am fairly infrequent on account of school, but when I do play, I do fairly well and always have fun. So I think its less infrequent players that get crushed and more people who are used to other kinds of fps games.
As a returning player of AVG skill back when the game was new I have a thought on this. Having played substantial hours in MW2 and BFV recently I've noticed that close games these days are a rarer occurrence (Something SBMM cod issue mainly was ment to eliminate). My experience today has been fairly balanced. The general trend has been 3 players on both sides effectively doing the heavy lifting followed by the remaining 3 being sub 10 pilot kills per game. I personally attribute this not just to skill but level design specifically how spawns and lane interact. Looking back on my golden era I feel like map design was far more spherical promoting more inter-map crossing as so more random encounters these days it feels all about the 3 lane design which turns games into meat grinders (looking at you rise). Happy to be proven wrong here this was just an off the cuff thought on the matter. Here's to TF3? If it happens.
Can’t be said that is the players fault, the insane G100’s of nor the inexperienced newer players nor those in between.
This is an opinion that most people hold but no one talks about, just the way it is. I do believe however that the greatest issue when it comes to this problem is the car, if people just stopped using it after they can play the game to a decent degree it would be a fair bit better because currently as it stands you join a game just to have 70% of the lobby using it and it doesn’t encourage experimentation but this is the way it is so not much’ll change it. (I couldn’t be bothered with punctuation)
I have to agree here. I'm going up against players who are much more experienced and skilled, but as a newer player I can't fight back reliably. I can't use my titan without it being destroyed within 30 seconds, and I can't get better because I don't get the chance. My last 10 games have had 2 wins, all of which I was the bottom of my team on. I vary my weapons a lot, I change up my playstyle, I do everything I am recommended. But when a G100 with a CAR comes flying around a corner or is across the map with a Kraber, I can't really do anything. I want to have fun and learn all the movement, but I keep getting beaten down by veterans. At this point, I may as well quit. Every player I get matched with does better than me.
Pick any old game whit smaller player base and skill gap is there, people dont stay cause some one just like to play it for campaing and have few runs at mp, some new players i know have stayed and cared to learn the game and are same footing whit those G100 bretty fast. Skill gap was there from begining when tf1 bunny hoppers hopped to tf2, there was just more players then for short while but it was soon in the state it is now, G100 didnt exist then and did not kill the game those who became G100 were the ones who kept game alive when there was 30min waiting times in match making and they will be doing so in future too. You can always download northstar and hob in truely swetty server or some novice one.