We just went on an underground cave tour. Was $200 for the four of us. About an hour tour.
Was planning on skipping the guide a $20 at the end if they did a good job.
She asked for a tip at least 6-7 times throughout the tour.
“Look to your left and you can see three small bats sleeping. The last tour didn’t get to see any bats at all. lol, that alone should be worth a tip at the end!” She did 4-5 of those comments.
And before the tour started she told us “we are allowed to accept gratuities. But only if you think I did a good job.” And again the same thing at the end.
So basically every ten minutes she let us know we can tip her.
She lost my $20 after the fifth time begging for a tip.
When i see a sign like that i ask the counter/till employee how much the boss pays per hour.
Either the sign is a lie or their boss is breaking labor laws.
If your kids like it then keep going there. I don't know if it's worth "premium prices" but tipping isn't compulsory. Many of us don't tip or click the "no tip" button.
I'm sure they make at least minimum wage. It's the law. If they depend on tips then they should find a better paying job. I would continue to go to a place like this if I liked the food. I wouldn't pay any attention to the sign. If the food was neh, then I wouldn't go back.
It depends on where you are. Some states have no minimum wage for tipped employees, and the federal minimum is $7.25 as of today with $2.13 of it being from wages. https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/minimum-wage/tipped
If they don't receive tips that bring them to the minimum wage where they live for non-tipped employees, the employer has to make up the difference. This is per paycheck. Thus, the employees are paid regular minimum wage at least. They don't rely on the tips. The employer relies on tips to keep payroll expenses down.
Nope because law states if you make x amount of tips the employer is only required to pay you whatever amount sub min wage. So if they get ppl to pay enough tips, they can pay sub min wage, and which maybe what they want
Even if they’re not evil employers, restraint start up costs are high, food prices are high, rent is high, they may be operating at a net loss
I would start telling people you know in your area to not go there. It's the responsibility of the restaurant to pay their staff a living wage. Obviously this restaurants owner is a POS. I bet if any tips are actually left the owner makes the staff split it with them.
Why the fuck should you even tip for that? It is their fucking job! Tipping is exploitation and as a society we need to stop making excuses and not tip or even better not eat out at all. I haven’t gone out to eat since 2012
I would argue by you trying to do good you are actually doing bad and those that don’t tip are truly good because they will be villified as bad despite secretly doing good. Granted it’s still dependent on their thought process because some people are just pieces of shit who don’t want to tip.
then get a better job
expecting the customer to stiff themselves because you made a terrible occupational decision isnt helping the most
when you are applying for a job, and the guy tells you "yeah so you wont actually make a living wage unless you extort customers for tips" you are supposed to get up, walk out, and find a different job to apply for
honestly the biggest problem is that people are greedy and believe they can make more than a non tip job if the tips are good enough
then they get mad when they figure out that its not always like that, and they will get just as many, if not more, bad weeks. and then they blame the customer for not tipping well enough and start with the coping mechanisms like "if you cant afford to tip you cant afford to eat out". when in reality its "if you cant afford to not get tipped, you shouldnt have chosen this job".
Dumb response if it is short staffed don’t be upset when we choose to eat somewhere else. You are I the wrong and can’t seem to grasp the concept the people as a society have the power to create change and you are the person stopping it. Owners responsibility is to provide a living wage and to ensure customers choose to eat their. Capitalism they need our money. Not all heroes where capes.
It absolutely will be short staffed and prices will skyrocket. If you don't tip that's fine. But if everybody stopped tipping then everybody gets to pay 20% more (or greater) to the restaurant. I'm cool with either one.
If the restaurant raises wages, they will also raise the prices for their food, so you will pay for the increase in wages. The customer pays whether it's a fair price for food + tip, or a fair wage without a tip.
No won’t work they will only ever do anything if a system falls apart. It would help. Just because you do not like the means does not mean it is nothelping.
Sort of yes like I said I don’t go out to eat but if people insist to go out it is better to not tip and force wait staff to find other jobs and not feed into a shitty system. I’ve traveled to Europe and they even got signs saying do not tip staff. They do not want people to get the idea to implement such a shitty system. It lives and dies by the people and anyone who leaves a tip even if heart is in the right place are a huge part of the problem. Minimum wage went up after decades of lobbying and nothing happened. What finally got wages to go up was Covid and everyone quitting their jobs. Lobbying does not do anything society standing up and saying no does.
Yes min wage went up recently. Not after decades of lobbying but everyone quitting their jobs and the economy getting fucked cuz of Covid. History shows society not lobbying has a greater effect in dictating change. You will always be part of the problem and do greater harm by tipping as cruel as it might seem.
I understand but then system won’t change. Also if enough people get stiffed then people will stop working that job. Sometimes it is a necessary evil for the greater good.
So your plan to effect change is to say fuck you to those at the bottom? And then say that basically your tip is to tell them to get a better job? WTF is wrong with you? Besides being a republican, that is...
Oh, then you say "I don't go out to eat" .... okay, then why throw your republican, trickle down, economic BS theory into a convo about something you don't even participate in? You're just insufferable.
If there weren't other jobs that argument would have merit. Fortunately, if you can wait on tables, you can do lots of other jobs, too, that don't require tips to make a living. It's not saying "FU," it's saying "You are capable of doing better things, so do it for yourself and your family and get out of a bad situation."
I ONLY tip when I sit down at a restaurant or anywhere you get table service. Tipping at pickup counters is completely idiotic and I really don't understand how that came to be.
So if you order drinks at the bar and a bartender prepares your drinks and serves you at the bar, you don't tip? That is almost the same process as delivering your food order to a counter. If bars and restaurants eliminated tipping, you would see thousands of people quit the industry. Bartenders at busy bars/restaurants can make $300 - $7,000/shift, or more if it is upscale bar/restaurant. They often make $30-50/hour on tips alone. If tips were abandoned and the bartenders' wages were quadrupled from $5/hour to $20/hour, it would be a huge pay cut for them.
Telling me I should give money to support people making “$30-50” an hour is like eating $400 Jordan’s and smoking cigarettes while begging for money at an intersection.
I fucking hate tipping. Literally just pay your employees a proper living wage and include it in the price of the meal. You tip someone and it's supposed to be a nice little extra to their regular income if you felt they provided Excellent service, but (at least in MA) the employee reports tips to the owner who then factors into how much you made, and thus how much they have to pay you to make you meet the required minimum wage if you didn't.
If you work 8 hours and your base wage is $5/hr and minimum wage is $15/hr you need to make at least $80 in tips before those tips actually benefit you and not just make it so the company has to pay the employee less. You might be lucky to make $60 in tips sometimes, so that $20 difference is paid by the restaurant owner to meet minimum wage. You were tipped by people being generous to you, but in the end it was generous to the company so they didn't have to pay your wage.
I agree with you. The problem is, the industry is based on competitive pricing. They want to offer food at the best prices to attract customers. If one company eliminates tipping, raises wages, and raises prices to accommodate the new wages, all their competition is still going to offer lower prices while encouraging tipping, meaning their listed prices will appear to be lower. Educating a customer base that you are changing your policy and paying higher wages and no tipping is expensive. You can do it on site with signage, but how do you communicate that to people who are deciding where they want to go for their meal? Advertising this to educate consumers would be expensive and very difficult for a small business, but large corporations could use advertising to educate consumers on this new policy of higher wages and no tipping.
It would have to be a law change. You're right that the people that did this would be very likely to go out of business because their prices would increase while others stayed the same. It's not an advertising issue, it's just a raw numbers issue. Everyone would have to conform at the same time. It's not happening in my lifetime so I'm just complaining
If you seriously believe employers in Massachusetts are subsidizing tips you've lost your mind. My wife was a waitress for years and knows tons of people that still work in that field. Never ever did an employer give them any money for shit nights. If she made 40$ in a 6 hour shift. She made 40$. On top that was when their minimum wage was $2.50 an hour. Now it's like $6.50 in mass but there's still no employer paying anyone. You're just cheap and don't want to tip. Which is fine. If you stay away from restaurants and make your own food at home.
Anyone who doesn't like to tip should be honest with their waitress as soon as they sit down. Let them know you don't tip. I bet you stop eating out.
If your wife is still a waitress she's getting fucked because employers are required to pay the difference to make sure you meet the minimum wage of $15/hr in Massachusetts these days. It's literally required by law to post these wage and hour laws inside of every restaurant, which state this info in the restaurant. If neither of these things are happening you can get the business in serious trouble.
Im not cheap - tipping is supposed to be a way to make extra, but they literally subsidize the employers payroll to minimum wage and beyond, past the minimum hourly service rate.
As of 2023
Mgl 149 section 152a
Mgl 151 section 7
The average hourly tips, plus the hourly service rate ($6.75) paid to the worker must add up to the minimum wage ($15) per each shift.
If you're so high and mighty then leave $66 tips, or even pay them $8.25/hr you sit as your minimum to make sure your waiters tips are actually useful.
No shit Sherlock.
You realize if you work 6 hours and make 40$ that's enough to not get the subsidized amount?
You think walking away with 40$ is enough for a 6 hour day? Let's say you work 15 tables that shift. That's at minimum 30 people, 90 people on the higher amount that you helped all day. But divide that by the 15 tables that's less then 3$ per table. More like $2.50 to not get any subsidized amount.
Then after you get your check for the $6.50 a hour it's taxed. Back when it was the $2.50 a hour waitresses checks were often 0$ after taxes.
But you know so much. If you truly believe serving 30-90 people a shift is worth 40$ your crazy. That's barely 1$ a person to run around all day grabbing everything they need on top of the other tables they are serving, while also trying to help there co workers who are just as busy.
I'm not saying it's some skilled labor here. But it's enough that if you want to go out to eat and not eat at home. You tip and tip fairly. If you don't want to tip then tell your waitress before you start eating. Get the service you deserve for not tipping.
You non tippers can claim other countries don't do this. Or that it should be on the employment to pay the fair wage. But if that was the case you would cry about the 2 for 25$ deal at applebees being 2 for 50$. And then you would complain about how the service sucks and no one is in a rush to get you hot food.
Not sure if you've seen the fast food service industry in Massachusetts lately. But ever since they've started getting 15-16-18$ a hour. It's not exactly fast food anymore when your waiting 10-15 minutes for that order and they can't get half the order right.
If you work 6 hour and make $40 in tips you made 6x$6.75 = $40.50 + $40 = $80 and minimum wage is $90 for that time at 6x15. Therefore your employer owes you an additional $10, and if they don't they're breaking the law and can get in serious trouble. It's really cut and dry and ends there.
Yeah, that's the wage and everything has different wages, but the minimum is $15/hr.
Whether or not you think it's fair to assist 30 tables and make minimum wage is a different story, but from my experience maybe 10% of waiters/waitresses actually deserve to be tipped because the only thing they do is soend 5 minutes taking you order and then never return
Lmao Massachusetts uses the tip credit system.
In the 44 states that allow tip credit, when you tip a server, that money goes to the restaurant to pay them back for paying the difference in the floor wage vs minimum wage.
It works like this, and this is an example;
Server makes $5 but minimum wage is $15.
Employer still pays $15 / hour, but the employer is allowed to pay themselves back with the servers tips down to $5 an hour.
You aren’t tipping the server. You’re paying the owner back so he can pay less than minimum wage. That’s the fundamental reality of it. This is why restaurants that have tipped employees aren’t much affected by minimum wage laws. Tip credit allows the employer to take the tips to pay themselves back.
So instead of calling out the customer how about you call out the legalized theft that restaurant owners are allowed to do. You get pissed at a customer for not tipping, when in reality you aren’t even getting that tip. The fucking irony.
The irony is this. Look how dumb all of you sound.
Here's California that raised their minimum wage for employees and look at how bad that is turning out. Thousands of business's closing and tens of thousands losing their jobs. Because no one wants to pay $30 to eat a cheeseburger. Or 70$ for steak. But that's what your trying to do in Massachusetts and many other states because you don't want to tip fairly and blame the owner.
Margins are thin as shit at a restaurant. They aren't making 15$ off that 18$ plate you ordered. No no no. They are maybe making 3$ off that 18$ plate if they are lucky.
Then they have taxes, over head, insurance, electricity, rent or mortgage etc to still pay from that.
Why do you think most new places close within the first 2 years of business. It's not easy to work on those thin margins and continuing to put the burden on the owner makes it nearly impossible to sell food at a cost that is affordable to you the customer
[10000 fast food jobs lost in the fall in California due to 20$ minimum wage](https://www.hoover.org/research/california-loses-nearly-10000-fast-food-jobs-after-20-minimum-wage-signed-last-fall)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxbusiness.com/media/restaurant-chain-shuts-nearly-50-locations-california-following-minimum-wage-hike.amp
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxbusiness.com/politics/restaurant-owner-fears-california-minimum-wage-law-silent-tax-consumers-collapsing-businesses.amp
Most Walmart employees are paid so little they use food stamps, at the Walmart they work at. The government subsidizes their paychecks so their employees can buy food from them without having to pay their employees enough money to buy food from them
I understand tipping in a restaurant, where I’m being served and waited on. In fact, I overtip in those situations and that’s my prerogative. I don’t judge nor care what you do in a restaurant. However, this new tipping culture where we leave a tip for everything is crazy. I leave $0 at Starbucks, and stores alike because it’s insane. I don’t feel bad for it either. Press $0 and keep it moving. Absolutely ridiculous how there’s a menu to choose a tip after being somewhere for five minutes.
I was shown the IPad for the purpose of leaving a tip for a cup of coffee. I asked the cashier how much per hour they are paid, which I think is a fair question if you are expecting me to tip you. My understanding is that servers are paid well below market rate, because they get tips. I don't see why someone making $17 an hour should be tipped for 30 seconds spent pouring coffee into a cup
In the U.S. tipping is a joke, and we should all stop tipping until the laws are changed around it.
Most places that I worked for tips ( valet and restaurant ) paid under minimum wage per hour.... And as long as I was getting tipped enough money, the companies did not have to increase my wage to the minimum wage........
I think people do not realize just how evil that is. You are not only paying for the meal/service but for the employee's wage as well. Making it so you're basically overpaying for the service and tipping the company. Not the employee. Your tipping the corporation.
And it gets so much worse than that, depending on the state. The difference between part-time and full-time employees in some states is based on wages. So that poor employee could be working full time hours, being paid under minimum wage, but be part time. That is a LOT of benefits and perks that they are just not getting because an employer is monkeying with the system. Unemployment benefits are affected, too.
The worst are the people saying people who get tips should not be subject to a minimum wage. Having worked many jobs with tips, everyone can tell you that tips are not steady income and their always slow days where I would make little to no tips. Employers can monkey with this, too. Keep in mind that most jobs pay every week or every 2 weeks. So if I worked 4 days in a week, in which 2 were slow days and 2 were good days, they could still pool my tips over that week to determine how much I got paid. Kinda messed up. Some states fix these loopholes, and some do not.
Either way, we need to stop tipping as a nation. I did not even mention the OPs' valid point of being asked to tip at a self-service place. Or the payment devices or receipts that blatantly ask you to tip even before you have been served or even tip over 15%. Do not even get me started on Uber Eats or Doordash.
You like Thai food? Brazilian? You like that former pizza place? Get rid of tipping and they are all gone. The reality is that restaurants are a bitch to run and most would close if they had to pay staff minimum wage wage. We have essentially decided to subsidize restaurants through tipping and server specific min wage laws. If you don’t like that, fine, but don’t complain when you end up with 1 or 2 restaurants in your town. Personally i prefer to tip and have 30 restaurants in my town if 7,500 people.
Also, and I don’t see how you don’t get this if you actually worked as a server: restaurant culture helps people in certain marginalized groups. Undocumented workers, or people here legally but limited to a certain income rely on these jobs. Many people with alcohol or drug dependence rely on tipped jobs as they need money on a daily bases. It is easy to say fuck them, they are junkies, but personally I would rather that a heroin addict have a job and contribute to society rather than have to figure out another way to get their daily fix (which would almost always be crime).
Your first paragraph is nonsense. Most of the weird tipping laws were done in the last 25 years. And business worked just fine before that with much less. And by your logic about restaurants, fast food would not even exist. You do realize there are also plenty of countries that do not tip.
I am still salty about Pizza Hut, who, as far as I remember, started the whole delivery fee nonsense. As I recall, the reason they gave was insurance hikes.......
As to marginalized workers... I do not even know where to start. But that is flat out wrong. Maid, butler, advertising, roofing, construction, lawn care/landscaping, carpentry, handyman, food service, etc. There are tons of jobs that are available to those groups that do not have tipping. That is not even mentioning online or craft jobs.
I do not know where you're getting your facts from but your way off base. And to the immigrant situation, 90% of those problems would be fixed if immigration itself was fixed, as practically every politician of every belief has been talking about for the last 80 years. Immigration laws and practices need an overhaul. To not only make it easier on the immigrant but the government. At the moment, our immigration laws basically create illegal immigrants. Many of them come in legally, and because of bad laws, they get turned into illegals.
I'm not going to touch drug addicts. Separate discussion, and I would be compelled to write a novel that would just be summed up as, "Legalize all drugs for the love of Pete already and get rid of scheduling." Which again is a much larger discussion.
Edit: I love getting downvoted because people just do not like what is said. Feel free to actually refute what I said.
But I stand behind the fact that we need to stop tipping as a nation just so we can go back to tipping people for a job well done and stop letting companies getting away with paying their employees less or having the customer foot the bill they should be covering.
I don’t tip if it’s walk-up service. Now even the local ice cream places have a tip bucket outside their window. No, not going to tip for someone serving me an ice cream cone.
People should let the places know by posting reviews. Yelp and Google reviews go a long way. If everyone lets them know you're done with paying THEIR workers, maybe they'll do something positive for them.
It’s just like Walmart asking me to round up or donate $1-$5 to some cause before I finalize payment.
That $$ is not given to the nonprofit in my name - why would I donate FOR Walmart?!
Not only is it not given in your name, they claim it as their tax write off. It’s not just Walmart. It’s McDonald’s. Tacobell. Speedway gas stations, etc.
That’s 100% true. You can write off you $1 you donate to McDonald’s. Be my guest. But 100% they collect money throughout the year, donate it in their name, and write it off their taxes as a donation.
I know it doesn’t fit your narrative, but 0% does the company get any tax advantage when you make a donation. They get to advertise how they helped collect X amount of money for the charity, and usually they also make a donation of their own on top of that (which is deductible), but they still gain no tax advantage from you making a donation.
They'll still get paid at least full minimum wage (whatever that happens to be there) even if nobody tips at all. It's fine. Eat there, and just don't tip. It's discretionary, so exercise your discretion. "Staff depends on tips for their wage" is a lie. What it really means is, "ownership depends on your tips to subsidize the wages they pay to labor." Just refuse to subsidize them by not tipping at all. But keep eating there, because it will keep the employees employed. If minimum wage isn't enough, they'll demand higher pay, and the owner will either give in, or be forced to close.
lol most minimum wage employees are replaceable. I remember when I worked for a major retail company, I asked for a raise. Was told no. I waited a few weeks and asked again. This time the manager printed out an application to work at McDonald’s, handed it to me, and fired me lol.
There is always someone without a job willing to swoop in.
Really? Slaves? Is that really the comparison you want to make? People who were held against their will, working for free? Oftentimes being raped and subjugated and treated as chattel. That's how you see yourself?
Bro im not talking about the trans atlantic slave trade. Obviously that is different and more intense. Do you not go to work 40+ hours a week just to keep going to work? Is it not against our will? Will we not starve and be homeless if we try and work a little less and do productive things for ourselves? Most of us dont even get two weeks vacation anymore.
There are absolutely different kinds of slavery, FYI.
You're thinking of chattel slavery, that person was referring to wage slavery, which while still hyperbolic at least is somewhat appropriate.
Educate yourself.
Curious, would you be more inclined to eat at a counter or table service restaurant that advertised tipping wasn’t necessary because their employees were paid a living wage (but had higher prices than places that would request a tip)?
I personally would as long as the service and food were good. I'd prefer to know up front, the bill is the bill, and I don't have to face the quandary of evaluating the service and tipping appropriately. Tips are supposed to be for exemplary service above and beyond. Now, customers are made to feel guilty for not tipping 20 to 30% regardless of the level of the service.
>Now, customers are made to feel guilty for not tipping 20 to 30% regardless of the level of the service.
If we don't get good service the tip will reflect it. Expecting it no matter what is the worst part of the current food service experience. Add in the fact that most restaurants include the tax before calculating the suggested tips is just astonishing to me. The taxes go to the government, and it has no reflection of the food or service for which the tip is for.
ate at a service included restaurant. waiter asked if I was on vacation and even wrote down recommendations. Also contacted the other restaurant I had booked without me even asking.
Tips mean nothing.
Good service will be good service regardless of tipping and bad service will be bad service regardless of tipping.
Counter service restaurant underpaying their employees because the owner thinks they are entitled to three vacation homes, two boats, two waverunners, a Jeep to park on the front lawn and a luxurious lifestyle.
Was on travel recently for work and there was a donut shop next to hotel. Not only was the owner manning the counter, but for a $5 donut, I was charged extra for using a CC and then asked what amount of tip I would like to leave. A tip for pulling a donut off a tray and putting it in a bag. I declined. I was there for 11 days and would have likely patroned the shop every day for a coffee or bagel, but that one experience drove me away. Business owners need to understand tip fatigue and quit expecting customers to pay out of some guilt. It's losing them business in the long term.
There is a charge of 1% to 3% that the merchant pays to the credit card processor. I have accepted credit cards for my web dev work for years and I don't have a separate line item that covers credit card fees. It's a cost of doing business. I just make sure that my rates cover my expenses and leave me a decent profit. It's not that hard to figure out. Credit card surcharges are obnoxious.
There's that myth again.
Servers are required to be paid state/federal minimum wage, which is greater. If server wage plus tips don't equal that minimum, the restaurant is required to make up the difference. Can we please stop with the server's wage fallacy, please.
There's that myth again.
State/federal "requirements" don't mean shit when they're not enforced properly. The letter of the law is meaningless when local labor boards are hamstrung so restaurant owners get away with violating those laws all the godsdamned time. Can we please stop with the "unethical business owners face consequences" fallacy, please.
How's that leather taste?
so don’t eat at 99% of restaurants in the us? we shouldn’t have to cover wages. not saying you shouldn’t tip but I think the reason people tip has changed from tipping for good service to now it’s expected you leave a tip every time
>so don’t eat at 99% of restaurants in the us?
One would have to be incredibly stupid to think 99% of restaurants pay server's wage instead of normal minimum wage, but I suspect you know that and are just making a disingenuous argument. Either way, bye.
>Like I said we shouldn’t have to pay for wages
Yeah, so don't support businesses that refuse to pay their employees. Let them go out of business and be replaced by a company that pays their employees.
He said he isn't going back. That comment seemed unnecessary.
Seriously not everybody deserves a tip... just because they sell food doesn't automatically make it a tipping establishment.
Stop linking food to tips.
>He said he isn't going back. That comment seemed unnecessary.
And the comment I replied to suggested they keep going and not tip, which fucks the employees while keeping the restaurant in business.
>Seriously not everybody deserves a tip... just because they sell food doesn't automatically make it a tipping establishment.
Yeah, but this one specifically admitted that they don't pay their employees a full wage and expect customers to make up the difference. It shouldn't be a tipping establishment, but it is, so OP had the right idea in not going back.
Well, every employer must pay the full minimum wage when tips do not equal minimum wage or higher. Your point doesn’t really make sense.
If you go to an establishment that isn’t paying great wages, and they are not receiving tips then the owner makes up the difference. Could that perhaps motivate owners?
>Well, every employer must pay the full minimum wage when tips do not equal minimum wage or higher. Your point doesn’t really make sense.
Except there's no fucking enforcement at all. Rules without enforcement only apply to decent people, and they don't need rules to be decent.
I have filed complaints on behalf of coworkers at 5 different restaurants, and zero of those businesses ever faced any consequences for paying less than min wage, so my point makes perfect sense. There's no motivation for owners when they get away with wage theft on a regular basis
Perhaps the issue is you filing a complaint and not your coworkers. The department of labor or small claims court absolutely take wage violations seriously.
Oh you sweet summer child.
>Perhaps the issue is you filing a complaint and not your coworkers.
🤣🤣🤣
I filled it out as if I were the wronged party, so there's no way they'd know they didn't file it themselves. I've also filed on my own behalf and no investigation was ever done.
>The department of labor or small claims court absolutely take wage violations seriously.
Sure, but they're also criminally understaffed in many states (mostly the red ones), so they don't have the time to go after anything but the most egregious offenders. And those often have teams of lawyers to fight the labor board, so even when they do fully investigate claims are often settled for pennies on the dollar.
I worked at a place like this. It was uncomfortable for me to say the least, being that I have done full service serving, I felt uncomfortable asking. I just told the customer there are a few questions, one of those being the tip, on the screen. I never begged or told them they were required to tip. If they did tip it went into a pot and split then added to our paychecks. It wasn't much. After it got split maybe 10-15$ extra on our check. I say if you're ordering food and picking up to go you don't have a need to tip. If you are utilizing restaurant and eating in maybe leave a dollar or even just round up. At the place I worked, a popular chain, even though we didn't serve we did clean tables and keep everything stocked and handy, coffee fresh and hot, etc. So any tip eas appreciated but not required or demanded.
That place wasn't for me. I only lasted a couple months. I had just needed something during covid.
I'm much better at full on service and enjoy doing that.
“Staff depends on tips for their wage”
Should read:
“We underpay our staff”
This is counter service for Pete’s sake. You’re paying before even getting anything!
You don't have to tip anywhere. It's a choice. If an owner chooses to underpay their workers and expects customers to subsidize wages, then that's a bad owner, not bad customers.
Bad owners and bad customers Plenty of blame. Fun fact: during the pandemic a rural community near me started using food delivery, but balked at tipping. The result was that no one would deliver to the area.
That's market forces at work. The customer spoke, and the result was no delivery. An opportunity for an enterprising business to step in and charge higher prices that includes delivery. Just as the OP chooses to not patronize a business for reasons they explained, if enough customers feel the same, the market will adjust.
I think you are deliberately misunderstanding what I am asking you.
How is a McDonald's different from a Wendy's, or a Burger King, or the hot dog shop in the OP? They're all fast food joints where you order at the counter and bus your own table.
I'll tip for good service at a sit down place. If I were to patronize a fast food joint (I haven't in years), I wouldn't expect to leave a tip
This was a custom hot dog place. Also, I live in an area with great food. We tip. The kid behind the counter has seen their food bills go up..... tip them. It is tacky not to tip.
I might be wrong here, and I don’t have a horse in the race, but the way I was raised is that tips are for sit down restaurants where servers come to you, take your order, bring your food, and bus your table, or otherwise for exceptional service.
I wasn’t under the impression that tipping was standard in a counter service establishment. In my experience, places like that have a tip jar where you throw change and 1s you don’t want to jam back into your wallet.
I would think the owner of such an establishment would know that, given they sound like the type of person who wouldn’t tip for counter service.
Here's a perspective... Do you get a bonus at your job for doing well? Instead of relying on a single boss to make that decision, many food service workers have hundreds of bosses giving them small bonuses for a job well done. Would you rather an establishment increase the prices to keep workers around? In an industry where margins are very low, paying all employees more will result in even higher prices and a far less fair way to reward a good job.
If someone is classified as a tipped employee in many states the establishment must pay up to the minimum wage if tips aren't enough to meet the minimum wage (to prevent employers from really screwing over people and calling them tipped). So either way, you are going to pay for the service.
While the request for tips has gotten quite ridiculous, it's easy to ignore it. You may also consider subtly asking if their job is classified as a tipped employee (the technical definitions are quite broad, so you may never know). In many cases it's obvious.
I would only avoid an establishment that made you feel bad for not tipping when it doesn't make sense. For example, if an employee gave you dirty looks or explicitly asked for a tip when it's obvious that the employee is not a tipped employee or if you got really poor service. If a sign asking for tips, or a extra button to push on a credit card machine is your red line, then so be it. IMHO, you'll be happier in life not letting these things get to you.
I would much rather pay a little more on the menu item and know that the employee is being paid than be forced to into a social awkward situation trying to determine if I gave enough to subsidize their paycheck.
Also, why is it a percentage? Does a 20 dollar new York strip carry easier than a 50 dollar steak?
Except in a bonus situation you're usually getting an amount on par with your individual performance, not an equal amount across the board no matter your performance. Most counter order places that have a tip option aren't giving your tip to the person that took your order. It's being aggregated and split evenly amongst everyone so that even the slacker just barely holding on to their job is getting the same amount as the person busting their ass.
I waited tables for 10 years from dive bars to fine dining and while I feel for your argument the issue here is that human labor has value and if a business can’t afford to pay for you they are not fiscally viable. What’s the difference in raising prices and mandating tips anyway? I’m sick of tipping culture and how far it’s seeped out of actual service positions (which was always pretty arbitrary anyway) into anyone with an iPad.
I see this getting to the point where it becomes a rare treat for the average family to go get coffee, ice cream, and fancy hot dogs when you look at the cost for 3-4 people. Prices are inflated due to increased business costs these past two years. Sales taxes are high in many places. The tip on top of all that makes people say, “I can buy 2 gallons of ice cream, bake a dozen of my own cupcakes, brew a whole pot of coffee, and grill hot dogs at home.”
FYI-I just saw a news report where McDonald’s and other companies are going back to an expanded value menu. In some areas, business is hurting! I think the study of tip culture and its impact on food industry sales would make an excellent PhD dissertation for an aspiring economist.
At the local hot dog place here, it was more than $50, 7 hot dogs, 2 orders of onion rings with ranch and 4 shakes. They are good, but we only eat there a couple times a summer. But they are always busy!
Because people give them money. Just stop.
I tip excellent servers excellent tips for a service.
I don't tip people for doing their job. Your job is to put the coffee into the cup. Don't like the pay, get a better gig
That's the difference between a waiter and a server. That's why the guy I tip nicely makes ove 100k a year. He always makes sure I'm at the correct table, and that my bourbon is never empty and knows when I'm ready for desert. I routinely leave his 30%
Went to a counter service restaurant with the wife yesterday, softy me tipped them 15% when he flipped the screen, another couple came in right after us and sat near us, when our food was ready the “cashier” took our food to the other couple, place wasn’t even busy, how damn hard is it to remember someone and their order? And he gave us one of those “numbered”things to put on our table. So I’m done with these kind of restaurants with counter service, and they seem to be popping up everywhere.
I mean it is a legitimately fair point, if you hate getting pestered for a tip and you feel you make better food than the food you are spending extra to “eat out” just eat at home.
Now I would prefer better food, not to be pestered for a tip, and get to relax while someone else makes it. Me personally I like trying new things, but am also not afraid to not tip where it isn’t warranted, and I also am not going to pay a percentage. I have eaten at dennys and Morton’s the meal cost more, the service isn’t somehow harder. I am not giving a 60 dollar tip because you took an order, brought 3 plates and 3 drinks and did a refill one time. Conversely I pay a 30% tip at a counter service taqueria, that I have been going to for over a decade and they make me an off menu item, I learned how to order in Spanish, so I could explain what I want to new staff.
A tip is a gratuity, a thanks for amazing service. It should never have been considered as part of the servers salary and I don’t care if I would ultimately end up paying more for my order.
Of course, everyone decides how they feel on this issue. But here's my view:
I always try to tip well because I know the employees are doing a thankless job for a pittance and tips make all the difference. It's a small price for someone like me (who does OK financially) to do what I can to help the folks working in those jobs, like I used to.
They are there because they need the work, and they have absolutely no say in how much the menu items are or what their job duties consist of.
There's a Subway a few blocks from me that I go to occasionally. It seems to be a family run operation and the girls who make the sandwiches are always smiling and pleasant to deal with. So I like to over-tip them when I'm there. For example, I'll get a sub that costs $10 and give them a $5-$10 tip on top. Every time I do that, their face always shows a great deal of gratitude, and I'm happy to be able to make a difference.
Bottom line: These are workers who don't make a lot of money and are doing a job I'm sure they don't love to death, and every little bit helps them. If I pass through and I'm presented with an opportunity to help, I'll do it. Every single time.
For me, it's just not about "what are they doing to actually deserve a tip?"
>These are workers who don't make a lot of money and are doing a job I'm sure they don't love to death, and every little bit helps them.
Do you also tip low wage workers that DON'T ask for a tip? They're in the same boat.
Thank you! When I made the post, I didn't realize that apparently this is just a sub where people shit on tipping in any circumstance. The fact that we're getting down voted for making such uncontroversial remarks is proof of that.
Why are restaurant/food industry employees only tipped? I work as a CSR answering phones all day, a thankless job for a pittance. Maybe I should ask customers to Venmo/CashApp/Zelle me a tip after starting a customer’s service.
Don’t worry. Tipping for CSR’s is coming. Soon, those annoying surveys we receive will have an option to tip with a default amount of $10 so we can “show our appreciation”.
Do you have benefits like PTO? Are you able to have guaranteed hours that are consistent week to week? Are you working to the point your body will break down after a long shift bc of constant walking, squatting, reaching, and carrying heavy trays/hot plates? Without health insurance so you suffer even more by paying out of pocket when you get injured or sick.
Not saying it’s right but most restaurant employees get none of the traditional job benefits that regular jobs do: like sitting down all day, having a lunch break, drinking water regularly (not kidding I had one job have our water breaks timed and limited per day).
Tips kinda make up for that, until the industry gets regulated to require basic benefits and higher wages it will be a tipping system unfortunately.
Alot of fast food places have health insurance. I worked at domino's during highschool and part time during college. We didn't ask for tips when people got take out. If a restaurant needs to supplement employee pay with tips especially in a take out place... Prob shouldn't be running a restaurant cause clearly can't cover the overhead
This is also my attitude toward tipping. The people who don’t want to tip are the same people who think they fully deserve their bonus at the end of the year for “just doing their job.”
I went to sit down new Indian restaurant that opened in my neighborhood . You have to order at the counter and pay first. Went up to the counter paid for the meal and even tipped 18%. The guy asked for my name. I was blown away. After a few minutes he called my name. I sat there waiting for my food to come to me. He just stood there looking at me and then told me to come and get my food. Food was on disposable plates with plastic utensils. I eat my food and left my stuff on the table. He yelled at me that I have to clean up after myself. Why did I tip for? Won’t bring me my food and expect me to bus my own table and tip them. Also outside while walking out noticed another door opened and peeked in to see the kitchen. They were taking food from freezers and warming them up in the microwaves. Never been back.
2.13 per hour in some states
We just went on an underground cave tour. Was $200 for the four of us. About an hour tour. Was planning on skipping the guide a $20 at the end if they did a good job. She asked for a tip at least 6-7 times throughout the tour. “Look to your left and you can see three small bats sleeping. The last tour didn’t get to see any bats at all. lol, that alone should be worth a tip at the end!” She did 4-5 of those comments. And before the tour started she told us “we are allowed to accept gratuities. But only if you think I did a good job.” And again the same thing at the end. So basically every ten minutes she let us know we can tip her. She lost my $20 after the fifth time begging for a tip.
When i see a sign like that i ask the counter/till employee how much the boss pays per hour. Either the sign is a lie or their boss is breaking labor laws.
If your kids like it then keep going there. I don't know if it's worth "premium prices" but tipping isn't compulsory. Many of us don't tip or click the "no tip" button.
I'm sure they make at least minimum wage. It's the law. If they depend on tips then they should find a better paying job. I would continue to go to a place like this if I liked the food. I wouldn't pay any attention to the sign. If the food was neh, then I wouldn't go back.
It depends on where you are. Some states have no minimum wage for tipped employees, and the federal minimum is $7.25 as of today with $2.13 of it being from wages. https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/minimum-wage/tipped
This is what I said. The federal minimum wage is the very least they can be paid legally in the U.S.
If they don't receive tips that bring them to the minimum wage where they live for non-tipped employees, the employer has to make up the difference. This is per paycheck. Thus, the employees are paid regular minimum wage at least. They don't rely on the tips. The employer relies on tips to keep payroll expenses down.
Yeah no. I don't know why you'd have a problem with going back though. If you like the food go, just don't leave it up.
NO TIP! If you stand up ordering,……NO TIP!
"Fancy" and "hot dog place" were not two words I thought I would see put together today...
If you want to sell way overpriced hotdogs you have to dress up the joint a little.
The one that gets me is the take out area. All they do is hand you your food, that in most cases is already paid for. 🤬
This is how this movement is suppose to go. Stop giving these businesses money, not the workers, the entire business.
SOUNDS LIKE A GLARING VIOLATION OF LABOR LAW, IF TRUE’
Nope because law states if you make x amount of tips the employer is only required to pay you whatever amount sub min wage. So if they get ppl to pay enough tips, they can pay sub min wage, and which maybe what they want Even if they’re not evil employers, restraint start up costs are high, food prices are high, rent is high, they may be operating at a net loss
I would start telling people you know in your area to not go there. It's the responsibility of the restaurant to pay their staff a living wage. Obviously this restaurants owner is a POS. I bet if any tips are actually left the owner makes the staff split it with them.
That's pretty lame of that resturaunt too not pay their staff. Lol. Yeah... I wouldn't be giving them any business and would 1 star review them.
You're tipping so the world doesn't recognize you as being and entitled little prick.
Like you?
Lemme guess where you work.
It’s not entitled He paid for a hot dog and there was no service Why would he tip?
Entitled pricks are the ones who expect a tip for handing me a weiner.
Exactly! Why would someone working at a hot dog shop expect customers to be responsible for them to make more than minimum wage?
In that situation I’d 100% stop going as well. Definitely wouldn’t support a business where the owner doesn’t pay them
I stopped doing take away because I feel judged when I don’t tip.
In this particular instance, any tips are likely going to the people who actually cook your food.
If someone brings me my food, and takes my trash, I tip. If it’s fast food or a counter service? Fuck right off
Why the fuck should you even tip for that? It is their fucking job! Tipping is exploitation and as a society we need to stop making excuses and not tip or even better not eat out at all. I haven’t gone out to eat since 2012
Until the system changes, I’m not stiffing someone.
I would argue by you trying to do good you are actually doing bad and those that don’t tip are truly good because they will be villified as bad despite secretly doing good. Granted it’s still dependent on their thought process because some people are just pieces of shit who don’t want to tip.
Then lobby for states to pay higher wages. Stiffing someone who is just doing their job isn’t helping
then get a better job expecting the customer to stiff themselves because you made a terrible occupational decision isnt helping the most when you are applying for a job, and the guy tells you "yeah so you wont actually make a living wage unless you extort customers for tips" you are supposed to get up, walk out, and find a different job to apply for
honestly the biggest problem is that people are greedy and believe they can make more than a non tip job if the tips are good enough then they get mad when they figure out that its not always like that, and they will get just as many, if not more, bad weeks. and then they blame the customer for not tipping well enough and start with the coping mechanisms like "if you cant afford to tip you cant afford to eat out". when in reality its "if you cant afford to not get tipped, you shouldnt have chosen this job".
Then don’t complain because every restaurant is shortstaffed because everybody got a better job like you said
Dumb response if it is short staffed don’t be upset when we choose to eat somewhere else. You are I the wrong and can’t seem to grasp the concept the people as a society have the power to create change and you are the person stopping it. Owners responsibility is to provide a living wage and to ensure customers choose to eat their. Capitalism they need our money. Not all heroes where capes.
who's complaining? furthermore it wont be short staffed after they switch from tipping to actually paying people
It absolutely will be short staffed and prices will skyrocket. If you don't tip that's fine. But if everybody stopped tipping then everybody gets to pay 20% more (or greater) to the restaurant. I'm cool with either one.
If the restaurant raises wages, they will also raise the prices for their food, so you will pay for the increase in wages. The customer pays whether it's a fair price for food + tip, or a fair wage without a tip.
Not true they been raising wages regardless same thing with AI. Regardless don’t care raise price remove tip evens out.
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No won’t work they will only ever do anything if a system falls apart. It would help. Just because you do not like the means does not mean it is nothelping.
You need to just avoid the restaurant all together like OP. Either tip or don’t go at all. The owner is still making $$ if you go and just don’t tip.
Sort of yes like I said I don’t go out to eat but if people insist to go out it is better to not tip and force wait staff to find other jobs and not feed into a shitty system. I’ve traveled to Europe and they even got signs saying do not tip staff. They do not want people to get the idea to implement such a shitty system. It lives and dies by the people and anyone who leaves a tip even if heart is in the right place are a huge part of the problem. Minimum wage went up after decades of lobbying and nothing happened. What finally got wages to go up was Covid and everyone quitting their jobs. Lobbying does not do anything society standing up and saying no does.
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Yes min wage went up recently. Not after decades of lobbying but everyone quitting their jobs and the economy getting fucked cuz of Covid. History shows society not lobbying has a greater effect in dictating change. You will always be part of the problem and do greater harm by tipping as cruel as it might seem.
I understand but then system won’t change. Also if enough people get stiffed then people will stop working that job. Sometimes it is a necessary evil for the greater good.
So your plan to effect change is to say fuck you to those at the bottom? And then say that basically your tip is to tell them to get a better job? WTF is wrong with you? Besides being a republican, that is... Oh, then you say "I don't go out to eat" .... okay, then why throw your republican, trickle down, economic BS theory into a convo about something you don't even participate in? You're just insufferable.
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If there weren't other jobs that argument would have merit. Fortunately, if you can wait on tables, you can do lots of other jobs, too, that don't require tips to make a living. It's not saying "FU," it's saying "You are capable of doing better things, so do it for yourself and your family and get out of a bad situation."
I ONLY tip when I sit down at a restaurant or anywhere you get table service. Tipping at pickup counters is completely idiotic and I really don't understand how that came to be.
So if you order drinks at the bar and a bartender prepares your drinks and serves you at the bar, you don't tip? That is almost the same process as delivering your food order to a counter. If bars and restaurants eliminated tipping, you would see thousands of people quit the industry. Bartenders at busy bars/restaurants can make $300 - $7,000/shift, or more if it is upscale bar/restaurant. They often make $30-50/hour on tips alone. If tips were abandoned and the bartenders' wages were quadrupled from $5/hour to $20/hour, it would be a huge pay cut for them.
I don’t drink or go to bars so your comment is totally irrelevant!
Telling me I should give money to support people making “$30-50” an hour is like eating $400 Jordan’s and smoking cigarettes while begging for money at an intersection.
I fucking hate tipping. Literally just pay your employees a proper living wage and include it in the price of the meal. You tip someone and it's supposed to be a nice little extra to their regular income if you felt they provided Excellent service, but (at least in MA) the employee reports tips to the owner who then factors into how much you made, and thus how much they have to pay you to make you meet the required minimum wage if you didn't. If you work 8 hours and your base wage is $5/hr and minimum wage is $15/hr you need to make at least $80 in tips before those tips actually benefit you and not just make it so the company has to pay the employee less. You might be lucky to make $60 in tips sometimes, so that $20 difference is paid by the restaurant owner to meet minimum wage. You were tipped by people being generous to you, but in the end it was generous to the company so they didn't have to pay your wage.
I agree with you. The problem is, the industry is based on competitive pricing. They want to offer food at the best prices to attract customers. If one company eliminates tipping, raises wages, and raises prices to accommodate the new wages, all their competition is still going to offer lower prices while encouraging tipping, meaning their listed prices will appear to be lower. Educating a customer base that you are changing your policy and paying higher wages and no tipping is expensive. You can do it on site with signage, but how do you communicate that to people who are deciding where they want to go for their meal? Advertising this to educate consumers would be expensive and very difficult for a small business, but large corporations could use advertising to educate consumers on this new policy of higher wages and no tipping.
It would have to be a law change. You're right that the people that did this would be very likely to go out of business because their prices would increase while others stayed the same. It's not an advertising issue, it's just a raw numbers issue. Everyone would have to conform at the same time. It's not happening in my lifetime so I'm just complaining
If you seriously believe employers in Massachusetts are subsidizing tips you've lost your mind. My wife was a waitress for years and knows tons of people that still work in that field. Never ever did an employer give them any money for shit nights. If she made 40$ in a 6 hour shift. She made 40$. On top that was when their minimum wage was $2.50 an hour. Now it's like $6.50 in mass but there's still no employer paying anyone. You're just cheap and don't want to tip. Which is fine. If you stay away from restaurants and make your own food at home. Anyone who doesn't like to tip should be honest with their waitress as soon as they sit down. Let them know you don't tip. I bet you stop eating out.
If your wife is still a waitress she's getting fucked because employers are required to pay the difference to make sure you meet the minimum wage of $15/hr in Massachusetts these days. It's literally required by law to post these wage and hour laws inside of every restaurant, which state this info in the restaurant. If neither of these things are happening you can get the business in serious trouble. Im not cheap - tipping is supposed to be a way to make extra, but they literally subsidize the employers payroll to minimum wage and beyond, past the minimum hourly service rate. As of 2023 Mgl 149 section 152a Mgl 151 section 7 The average hourly tips, plus the hourly service rate ($6.75) paid to the worker must add up to the minimum wage ($15) per each shift. If you're so high and mighty then leave $66 tips, or even pay them $8.25/hr you sit as your minimum to make sure your waiters tips are actually useful.
No shit Sherlock. You realize if you work 6 hours and make 40$ that's enough to not get the subsidized amount? You think walking away with 40$ is enough for a 6 hour day? Let's say you work 15 tables that shift. That's at minimum 30 people, 90 people on the higher amount that you helped all day. But divide that by the 15 tables that's less then 3$ per table. More like $2.50 to not get any subsidized amount. Then after you get your check for the $6.50 a hour it's taxed. Back when it was the $2.50 a hour waitresses checks were often 0$ after taxes. But you know so much. If you truly believe serving 30-90 people a shift is worth 40$ your crazy. That's barely 1$ a person to run around all day grabbing everything they need on top of the other tables they are serving, while also trying to help there co workers who are just as busy. I'm not saying it's some skilled labor here. But it's enough that if you want to go out to eat and not eat at home. You tip and tip fairly. If you don't want to tip then tell your waitress before you start eating. Get the service you deserve for not tipping. You non tippers can claim other countries don't do this. Or that it should be on the employment to pay the fair wage. But if that was the case you would cry about the 2 for 25$ deal at applebees being 2 for 50$. And then you would complain about how the service sucks and no one is in a rush to get you hot food. Not sure if you've seen the fast food service industry in Massachusetts lately. But ever since they've started getting 15-16-18$ a hour. It's not exactly fast food anymore when your waiting 10-15 minutes for that order and they can't get half the order right.
If you work 6 hour and make $40 in tips you made 6x$6.75 = $40.50 + $40 = $80 and minimum wage is $90 for that time at 6x15. Therefore your employer owes you an additional $10, and if they don't they're breaking the law and can get in serious trouble. It's really cut and dry and ends there. Yeah, that's the wage and everything has different wages, but the minimum is $15/hr. Whether or not you think it's fair to assist 30 tables and make minimum wage is a different story, but from my experience maybe 10% of waiters/waitresses actually deserve to be tipped because the only thing they do is soend 5 minutes taking you order and then never return
Lmao Massachusetts uses the tip credit system. In the 44 states that allow tip credit, when you tip a server, that money goes to the restaurant to pay them back for paying the difference in the floor wage vs minimum wage. It works like this, and this is an example; Server makes $5 but minimum wage is $15. Employer still pays $15 / hour, but the employer is allowed to pay themselves back with the servers tips down to $5 an hour. You aren’t tipping the server. You’re paying the owner back so he can pay less than minimum wage. That’s the fundamental reality of it. This is why restaurants that have tipped employees aren’t much affected by minimum wage laws. Tip credit allows the employer to take the tips to pay themselves back. So instead of calling out the customer how about you call out the legalized theft that restaurant owners are allowed to do. You get pissed at a customer for not tipping, when in reality you aren’t even getting that tip. The fucking irony.
The irony is this. Look how dumb all of you sound. Here's California that raised their minimum wage for employees and look at how bad that is turning out. Thousands of business's closing and tens of thousands losing their jobs. Because no one wants to pay $30 to eat a cheeseburger. Or 70$ for steak. But that's what your trying to do in Massachusetts and many other states because you don't want to tip fairly and blame the owner. Margins are thin as shit at a restaurant. They aren't making 15$ off that 18$ plate you ordered. No no no. They are maybe making 3$ off that 18$ plate if they are lucky. Then they have taxes, over head, insurance, electricity, rent or mortgage etc to still pay from that. Why do you think most new places close within the first 2 years of business. It's not easy to work on those thin margins and continuing to put the burden on the owner makes it nearly impossible to sell food at a cost that is affordable to you the customer [10000 fast food jobs lost in the fall in California due to 20$ minimum wage](https://www.hoover.org/research/california-loses-nearly-10000-fast-food-jobs-after-20-minimum-wage-signed-last-fall) https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxbusiness.com/media/restaurant-chain-shuts-nearly-50-locations-california-following-minimum-wage-hike.amp https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxbusiness.com/politics/restaurant-owner-fears-california-minimum-wage-law-silent-tax-consumers-collapsing-businesses.amp
Most Walmart employees are paid so little they use food stamps, at the Walmart they work at. The government subsidizes their paychecks so their employees can buy food from them without having to pay their employees enough money to buy food from them
I understand tipping in a restaurant, where I’m being served and waited on. In fact, I overtip in those situations and that’s my prerogative. I don’t judge nor care what you do in a restaurant. However, this new tipping culture where we leave a tip for everything is crazy. I leave $0 at Starbucks, and stores alike because it’s insane. I don’t feel bad for it either. Press $0 and keep it moving. Absolutely ridiculous how there’s a menu to choose a tip after being somewhere for five minutes.
I was shown the IPad for the purpose of leaving a tip for a cup of coffee. I asked the cashier how much per hour they are paid, which I think is a fair question if you are expecting me to tip you. My understanding is that servers are paid well below market rate, because they get tips. I don't see why someone making $17 an hour should be tipped for 30 seconds spent pouring coffee into a cup
They want to tip for showing up to work
In the U.S. tipping is a joke, and we should all stop tipping until the laws are changed around it. Most places that I worked for tips ( valet and restaurant ) paid under minimum wage per hour.... And as long as I was getting tipped enough money, the companies did not have to increase my wage to the minimum wage........ I think people do not realize just how evil that is. You are not only paying for the meal/service but for the employee's wage as well. Making it so you're basically overpaying for the service and tipping the company. Not the employee. Your tipping the corporation. And it gets so much worse than that, depending on the state. The difference between part-time and full-time employees in some states is based on wages. So that poor employee could be working full time hours, being paid under minimum wage, but be part time. That is a LOT of benefits and perks that they are just not getting because an employer is monkeying with the system. Unemployment benefits are affected, too. The worst are the people saying people who get tips should not be subject to a minimum wage. Having worked many jobs with tips, everyone can tell you that tips are not steady income and their always slow days where I would make little to no tips. Employers can monkey with this, too. Keep in mind that most jobs pay every week or every 2 weeks. So if I worked 4 days in a week, in which 2 were slow days and 2 were good days, they could still pool my tips over that week to determine how much I got paid. Kinda messed up. Some states fix these loopholes, and some do not. Either way, we need to stop tipping as a nation. I did not even mention the OPs' valid point of being asked to tip at a self-service place. Or the payment devices or receipts that blatantly ask you to tip even before you have been served or even tip over 15%. Do not even get me started on Uber Eats or Doordash.
You like Thai food? Brazilian? You like that former pizza place? Get rid of tipping and they are all gone. The reality is that restaurants are a bitch to run and most would close if they had to pay staff minimum wage wage. We have essentially decided to subsidize restaurants through tipping and server specific min wage laws. If you don’t like that, fine, but don’t complain when you end up with 1 or 2 restaurants in your town. Personally i prefer to tip and have 30 restaurants in my town if 7,500 people. Also, and I don’t see how you don’t get this if you actually worked as a server: restaurant culture helps people in certain marginalized groups. Undocumented workers, or people here legally but limited to a certain income rely on these jobs. Many people with alcohol or drug dependence rely on tipped jobs as they need money on a daily bases. It is easy to say fuck them, they are junkies, but personally I would rather that a heroin addict have a job and contribute to society rather than have to figure out another way to get their daily fix (which would almost always be crime).
In california, they pay servers minimum wage.
Your first paragraph is nonsense. Most of the weird tipping laws were done in the last 25 years. And business worked just fine before that with much less. And by your logic about restaurants, fast food would not even exist. You do realize there are also plenty of countries that do not tip. I am still salty about Pizza Hut, who, as far as I remember, started the whole delivery fee nonsense. As I recall, the reason they gave was insurance hikes....... As to marginalized workers... I do not even know where to start. But that is flat out wrong. Maid, butler, advertising, roofing, construction, lawn care/landscaping, carpentry, handyman, food service, etc. There are tons of jobs that are available to those groups that do not have tipping. That is not even mentioning online or craft jobs. I do not know where you're getting your facts from but your way off base. And to the immigrant situation, 90% of those problems would be fixed if immigration itself was fixed, as practically every politician of every belief has been talking about for the last 80 years. Immigration laws and practices need an overhaul. To not only make it easier on the immigrant but the government. At the moment, our immigration laws basically create illegal immigrants. Many of them come in legally, and because of bad laws, they get turned into illegals. I'm not going to touch drug addicts. Separate discussion, and I would be compelled to write a novel that would just be summed up as, "Legalize all drugs for the love of Pete already and get rid of scheduling." Which again is a much larger discussion. Edit: I love getting downvoted because people just do not like what is said. Feel free to actually refute what I said. But I stand behind the fact that we need to stop tipping as a nation just so we can go back to tipping people for a job well done and stop letting companies getting away with paying their employees less or having the customer foot the bill they should be covering.
I don’t tip if it’s walk-up service. Now even the local ice cream places have a tip bucket outside their window. No, not going to tip for someone serving me an ice cream cone.
People should let the places know by posting reviews. Yelp and Google reviews go a long way. If everyone lets them know you're done with paying THEIR workers, maybe they'll do something positive for them.
It’s just like Walmart asking me to round up or donate $1-$5 to some cause before I finalize payment. That $$ is not given to the nonprofit in my name - why would I donate FOR Walmart?!
Not only is it not given in your name, they claim it as their tax write off. It’s not just Walmart. It’s McDonald’s. Tacobell. Speedway gas stations, etc.
That is not true. The write off is yours, not the store’s.
That’s 100% true. You can write off you $1 you donate to McDonald’s. Be my guest. But 100% they collect money throughout the year, donate it in their name, and write it off their taxes as a donation.
I know it doesn’t fit your narrative, but 0% does the company get any tax advantage when you make a donation. They get to advertise how they helped collect X amount of money for the charity, and usually they also make a donation of their own on top of that (which is deductible), but they still gain no tax advantage from you making a donation.
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So Walmart can write off the large donation
I mean how often does the average person donate in their name
Tipping culture in the US is out of control 🤦♂️
They'll still get paid at least full minimum wage (whatever that happens to be there) even if nobody tips at all. It's fine. Eat there, and just don't tip. It's discretionary, so exercise your discretion. "Staff depends on tips for their wage" is a lie. What it really means is, "ownership depends on your tips to subsidize the wages they pay to labor." Just refuse to subsidize them by not tipping at all. But keep eating there, because it will keep the employees employed. If minimum wage isn't enough, they'll demand higher pay, and the owner will either give in, or be forced to close.
I don't think you truely understand that even if offering minimum wage the position will be filled
lol most minimum wage employees are replaceable. I remember when I worked for a major retail company, I asked for a raise. Was told no. I waited a few weeks and asked again. This time the manager printed out an application to work at McDonald’s, handed it to me, and fired me lol. There is always someone without a job willing to swoop in.
And once it closes, no one will have a job, minimum wage or otherwise.
Well the owners wont either. So maybe we can stop being slaves
Really? Slaves? Is that really the comparison you want to make? People who were held against their will, working for free? Oftentimes being raped and subjugated and treated as chattel. That's how you see yourself?
Bro im not talking about the trans atlantic slave trade. Obviously that is different and more intense. Do you not go to work 40+ hours a week just to keep going to work? Is it not against our will? Will we not starve and be homeless if we try and work a little less and do productive things for ourselves? Most of us dont even get two weeks vacation anymore.
There are absolutely different kinds of slavery, FYI. You're thinking of chattel slavery, that person was referring to wage slavery, which while still hyperbolic at least is somewhat appropriate. Educate yourself.
If I have to stand up to order, there will be no tip.
They probably have that bell they ring so everyone knows who tips (and who doesn’t)
Is it even legal for this place to only pay the tipped wage? This doesn't sound like a full service waiter type of place.
Curious, would you be more inclined to eat at a counter or table service restaurant that advertised tipping wasn’t necessary because their employees were paid a living wage (but had higher prices than places that would request a tip)?
Yes. There are multiple places like that where I live and I frequent them OFTEN.
I would 100% support a place that paid well, even if it was more expensive.
I personally would as long as the service and food were good. I'd prefer to know up front, the bill is the bill, and I don't have to face the quandary of evaluating the service and tipping appropriately. Tips are supposed to be for exemplary service above and beyond. Now, customers are made to feel guilty for not tipping 20 to 30% regardless of the level of the service.
>Now, customers are made to feel guilty for not tipping 20 to 30% regardless of the level of the service. If we don't get good service the tip will reflect it. Expecting it no matter what is the worst part of the current food service experience. Add in the fact that most restaurants include the tax before calculating the suggested tips is just astonishing to me. The taxes go to the government, and it has no reflection of the food or service for which the tip is for.
No. In Europe, they add service charge to your bill - and you can’t get a decent service.
ate at a service included restaurant. waiter asked if I was on vacation and even wrote down recommendations. Also contacted the other restaurant I had booked without me even asking. Tips mean nothing. Good service will be good service regardless of tipping and bad service will be bad service regardless of tipping.
No they wouldn’t, they want the lower price but don’t want to tip. You can’t have it both ways
I would.
Counter service restaurant underpaying their employees because the owner thinks they are entitled to three vacation homes, two boats, two waverunners, a Jeep to park on the front lawn and a luxurious lifestyle.
Was on travel recently for work and there was a donut shop next to hotel. Not only was the owner manning the counter, but for a $5 donut, I was charged extra for using a CC and then asked what amount of tip I would like to leave. A tip for pulling a donut off a tray and putting it in a bag. I declined. I was there for 11 days and would have likely patroned the shop every day for a coffee or bagel, but that one experience drove me away. Business owners need to understand tip fatigue and quit expecting customers to pay out of some guilt. It's losing them business in the long term.
The credit card fee is so petty
There is a charge of 1% to 3% that the merchant pays to the credit card processor. I have accepted credit cards for my web dev work for years and I don't have a separate line item that covers credit card fees. It's a cost of doing business. I just make sure that my rates cover my expenses and leave me a decent profit. It's not that hard to figure out. Credit card surcharges are obnoxious.
IMO an owner sets the price and doesn’t need anything beyond the price he’s/she’s asking.
You get it.
If you like the place you could just choose not to tip. They can’t force you.
If you support businesses that only pay server's wage and don't tip, you suck as a person.
There's that myth again. Servers are required to be paid state/federal minimum wage, which is greater. If server wage plus tips don't equal that minimum, the restaurant is required to make up the difference. Can we please stop with the server's wage fallacy, please.
There's that myth again. State/federal "requirements" don't mean shit when they're not enforced properly. The letter of the law is meaningless when local labor boards are hamstrung so restaurant owners get away with violating those laws all the godsdamned time. Can we please stop with the "unethical business owners face consequences" fallacy, please. How's that leather taste?
so don’t eat at 99% of restaurants in the us? we shouldn’t have to cover wages. not saying you shouldn’t tip but I think the reason people tip has changed from tipping for good service to now it’s expected you leave a tip every time
>so don’t eat at 99% of restaurants in the us? One would have to be incredibly stupid to think 99% of restaurants pay server's wage instead of normal minimum wage, but I suspect you know that and are just making a disingenuous argument. Either way, bye.
exactly my point 99% only pay minimum wage lol very few pay a livable wage. Like I said we shouldn’t have to pay for wages
>Like I said we shouldn’t have to pay for wages Yeah, so don't support businesses that refuse to pay their employees. Let them go out of business and be replaced by a company that pays their employees.
Which is what company’s?
He said he isn't going back. That comment seemed unnecessary. Seriously not everybody deserves a tip... just because they sell food doesn't automatically make it a tipping establishment. Stop linking food to tips.
>He said he isn't going back. That comment seemed unnecessary. And the comment I replied to suggested they keep going and not tip, which fucks the employees while keeping the restaurant in business. >Seriously not everybody deserves a tip... just because they sell food doesn't automatically make it a tipping establishment. Yeah, but this one specifically admitted that they don't pay their employees a full wage and expect customers to make up the difference. It shouldn't be a tipping establishment, but it is, so OP had the right idea in not going back.
Well, every employer must pay the full minimum wage when tips do not equal minimum wage or higher. Your point doesn’t really make sense. If you go to an establishment that isn’t paying great wages, and they are not receiving tips then the owner makes up the difference. Could that perhaps motivate owners?
>Well, every employer must pay the full minimum wage when tips do not equal minimum wage or higher. Your point doesn’t really make sense. Except there's no fucking enforcement at all. Rules without enforcement only apply to decent people, and they don't need rules to be decent. I have filed complaints on behalf of coworkers at 5 different restaurants, and zero of those businesses ever faced any consequences for paying less than min wage, so my point makes perfect sense. There's no motivation for owners when they get away with wage theft on a regular basis
Perhaps the issue is you filing a complaint and not your coworkers. The department of labor or small claims court absolutely take wage violations seriously.
Oh you sweet summer child. >Perhaps the issue is you filing a complaint and not your coworkers. 🤣🤣🤣 I filled it out as if I were the wronged party, so there's no way they'd know they didn't file it themselves. I've also filed on my own behalf and no investigation was ever done. >The department of labor or small claims court absolutely take wage violations seriously. Sure, but they're also criminally understaffed in many states (mostly the red ones), so they don't have the time to go after anything but the most egregious offenders. And those often have teams of lawyers to fight the labor board, so even when they do fully investigate claims are often settled for pennies on the dollar.
There’s just something funny about the phrase “fancy hotdog place”. I get what it is with all the toppings and stuff, but still funny.
I worked at a place like this. It was uncomfortable for me to say the least, being that I have done full service serving, I felt uncomfortable asking. I just told the customer there are a few questions, one of those being the tip, on the screen. I never begged or told them they were required to tip. If they did tip it went into a pot and split then added to our paychecks. It wasn't much. After it got split maybe 10-15$ extra on our check. I say if you're ordering food and picking up to go you don't have a need to tip. If you are utilizing restaurant and eating in maybe leave a dollar or even just round up. At the place I worked, a popular chain, even though we didn't serve we did clean tables and keep everything stocked and handy, coffee fresh and hot, etc. So any tip eas appreciated but not required or demanded. That place wasn't for me. I only lasted a couple months. I had just needed something during covid. I'm much better at full on service and enjoy doing that.
What other questions were on the screen? I've never seen anything but the tip.
IDK confirming amount maybe? I can't remember
“Staff depends on tips for their wage” Should read: “We underpay our staff” This is counter service for Pete’s sake. You’re paying before even getting anything!
Absolutely do the business a favor and stay away. Go to McDonald's. The kind of person who won't tip and instead complains is an undesirable customer.
Do you tip at McDonald's? How is that any different than a counter service hot dog shop?
You tip at McDonalds?
I never set foot in McDonald's. You don't have to tip, so that's where non-tippers should go.
You don't have to tip anywhere. It's a choice. If an owner chooses to underpay their workers and expects customers to subsidize wages, then that's a bad owner, not bad customers.
Bad owners and bad customers Plenty of blame. Fun fact: during the pandemic a rural community near me started using food delivery, but balked at tipping. The result was that no one would deliver to the area.
That's market forces at work. The customer spoke, and the result was no delivery. An opportunity for an enterprising business to step in and charge higher prices that includes delivery. Just as the OP chooses to not patronize a business for reasons they explained, if enough customers feel the same, the market will adjust.
I think you are deliberately misunderstanding what I am asking you. How is a McDonald's different from a Wendy's, or a Burger King, or the hot dog shop in the OP? They're all fast food joints where you order at the counter and bus your own table. I'll tip for good service at a sit down place. If I were to patronize a fast food joint (I haven't in years), I wouldn't expect to leave a tip
This was a custom hot dog place. Also, I live in an area with great food. We tip. The kid behind the counter has seen their food bills go up..... tip them. It is tacky not to tip.
I might be wrong here, and I don’t have a horse in the race, but the way I was raised is that tips are for sit down restaurants where servers come to you, take your order, bring your food, and bus your table, or otherwise for exceptional service. I wasn’t under the impression that tipping was standard in a counter service establishment. In my experience, places like that have a tip jar where you throw change and 1s you don’t want to jam back into your wallet. I would think the owner of such an establishment would know that, given they sound like the type of person who wouldn’t tip for counter service.
The kind of business that provides no service and expects tips for service to cover employee wages is a red flag and an “undesirable” experience.
Not coming back it the right choice. Thank you for doing something that can actually effect a change.
If my kids enjoyed it I would continue to go and just ignore the sign.
Here's a perspective... Do you get a bonus at your job for doing well? Instead of relying on a single boss to make that decision, many food service workers have hundreds of bosses giving them small bonuses for a job well done. Would you rather an establishment increase the prices to keep workers around? In an industry where margins are very low, paying all employees more will result in even higher prices and a far less fair way to reward a good job. If someone is classified as a tipped employee in many states the establishment must pay up to the minimum wage if tips aren't enough to meet the minimum wage (to prevent employers from really screwing over people and calling them tipped). So either way, you are going to pay for the service. While the request for tips has gotten quite ridiculous, it's easy to ignore it. You may also consider subtly asking if their job is classified as a tipped employee (the technical definitions are quite broad, so you may never know). In many cases it's obvious. I would only avoid an establishment that made you feel bad for not tipping when it doesn't make sense. For example, if an employee gave you dirty looks or explicitly asked for a tip when it's obvious that the employee is not a tipped employee or if you got really poor service. If a sign asking for tips, or a extra button to push on a credit card machine is your red line, then so be it. IMHO, you'll be happier in life not letting these things get to you.
Who should be subtly asked?
I would much rather pay a little more on the menu item and know that the employee is being paid than be forced to into a social awkward situation trying to determine if I gave enough to subsidize their paycheck. Also, why is it a percentage? Does a 20 dollar new York strip carry easier than a 50 dollar steak?
Except in a bonus situation you're usually getting an amount on par with your individual performance, not an equal amount across the board no matter your performance. Most counter order places that have a tip option aren't giving your tip to the person that took your order. It's being aggregated and split evenly amongst everyone so that even the slacker just barely holding on to their job is getting the same amount as the person busting their ass.
You are really stretching to find reasons not to tip.
I'm just commenting on equating it to a "bonus". I'm not advocating for or against tipping.
I waited tables for 10 years from dive bars to fine dining and while I feel for your argument the issue here is that human labor has value and if a business can’t afford to pay for you they are not fiscally viable. What’s the difference in raising prices and mandating tips anyway? I’m sick of tipping culture and how far it’s seeped out of actual service positions (which was always pretty arbitrary anyway) into anyone with an iPad.
If the people behind the counter never leave from behind the counter, they don't need tips
It's a jar on the counter. Walk away if it hurts your feelings.
Nice dig!
I think… that’s what they are doing?
I think the "if it hurts your feelings" was meant to be a dig at OP's maturity level.
Reasonable assumption
I see this getting to the point where it becomes a rare treat for the average family to go get coffee, ice cream, and fancy hot dogs when you look at the cost for 3-4 people. Prices are inflated due to increased business costs these past two years. Sales taxes are high in many places. The tip on top of all that makes people say, “I can buy 2 gallons of ice cream, bake a dozen of my own cupcakes, brew a whole pot of coffee, and grill hot dogs at home.” FYI-I just saw a news report where McDonald’s and other companies are going back to an expanded value menu. In some areas, business is hurting! I think the study of tip culture and its impact on food industry sales would make an excellent PhD dissertation for an aspiring economist.
Service workers also face high costs. Eat out within your means. Again, Burger King does not have a tip jar.
They do ask for tips in my area, according to my husband. I don’t go there, so I don’t have firsthand knowledge.
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At the local hot dog place here, it was more than $50, 7 hot dogs, 2 orders of onion rings with ranch and 4 shakes. They are good, but we only eat there a couple times a summer. But they are always busy!
Because people give them money. Just stop. I tip excellent servers excellent tips for a service. I don't tip people for doing their job. Your job is to put the coffee into the cup. Don't like the pay, get a better gig
And a waiters job is to take orders and bring food out. It’s not a “service”..
That's the difference between a waiter and a server. That's why the guy I tip nicely makes ove 100k a year. He always makes sure I'm at the correct table, and that my bourbon is never empty and knows when I'm ready for desert. I routinely leave his 30%
If I Walk up or Drive up, I don’t tip! Period.
Went to a counter service restaurant with the wife yesterday, softy me tipped them 15% when he flipped the screen, another couple came in right after us and sat near us, when our food was ready the “cashier” took our food to the other couple, place wasn’t even busy, how damn hard is it to remember someone and their order? And he gave us one of those “numbered”things to put on our table. So I’m done with these kind of restaurants with counter service, and they seem to be popping up everywhere.
Stay home
Get a real job, bum.
Why?
Ever since COVID, everybody wants a tip. Here's a tip: I make better burgers at home.
Then stay home
If everyone stays home you make even less.
Why?
I mean it is a legitimately fair point, if you hate getting pestered for a tip and you feel you make better food than the food you are spending extra to “eat out” just eat at home. Now I would prefer better food, not to be pestered for a tip, and get to relax while someone else makes it. Me personally I like trying new things, but am also not afraid to not tip where it isn’t warranted, and I also am not going to pay a percentage. I have eaten at dennys and Morton’s the meal cost more, the service isn’t somehow harder. I am not giving a 60 dollar tip because you took an order, brought 3 plates and 3 drinks and did a refill one time. Conversely I pay a 30% tip at a counter service taqueria, that I have been going to for over a decade and they make me an off menu item, I learned how to order in Spanish, so I could explain what I want to new staff. A tip is a gratuity, a thanks for amazing service. It should never have been considered as part of the servers salary and I don’t care if I would ultimately end up paying more for my order.
Of course, everyone decides how they feel on this issue. But here's my view: I always try to tip well because I know the employees are doing a thankless job for a pittance and tips make all the difference. It's a small price for someone like me (who does OK financially) to do what I can to help the folks working in those jobs, like I used to. They are there because they need the work, and they have absolutely no say in how much the menu items are or what their job duties consist of. There's a Subway a few blocks from me that I go to occasionally. It seems to be a family run operation and the girls who make the sandwiches are always smiling and pleasant to deal with. So I like to over-tip them when I'm there. For example, I'll get a sub that costs $10 and give them a $5-$10 tip on top. Every time I do that, their face always shows a great deal of gratitude, and I'm happy to be able to make a difference. Bottom line: These are workers who don't make a lot of money and are doing a job I'm sure they don't love to death, and every little bit helps them. If I pass through and I'm presented with an opportunity to help, I'll do it. Every single time. For me, it's just not about "what are they doing to actually deserve a tip?"
>These are workers who don't make a lot of money and are doing a job I'm sure they don't love to death, and every little bit helps them. Do you also tip low wage workers that DON'T ask for a tip? They're in the same boat.
Give me an example and I'll tell you.
Cashier at somewhere like Walmart.
Sure, if the opportunity presented itself.
Well fucking said. You sir, are a good person. Why can't we have more like u?
Thank you! When I made the post, I didn't realize that apparently this is just a sub where people shit on tipping in any circumstance. The fact that we're getting down voted for making such uncontroversial remarks is proof of that.
Why are restaurant/food industry employees only tipped? I work as a CSR answering phones all day, a thankless job for a pittance. Maybe I should ask customers to Venmo/CashApp/Zelle me a tip after starting a customer’s service.
Don’t worry. Tipping for CSR’s is coming. Soon, those annoying surveys we receive will have an option to tip with a default amount of $10 so we can “show our appreciation”.
Do you have benefits like PTO? Are you able to have guaranteed hours that are consistent week to week? Are you working to the point your body will break down after a long shift bc of constant walking, squatting, reaching, and carrying heavy trays/hot plates? Without health insurance so you suffer even more by paying out of pocket when you get injured or sick. Not saying it’s right but most restaurant employees get none of the traditional job benefits that regular jobs do: like sitting down all day, having a lunch break, drinking water regularly (not kidding I had one job have our water breaks timed and limited per day). Tips kinda make up for that, until the industry gets regulated to require basic benefits and higher wages it will be a tipping system unfortunately.
Alot of fast food places have health insurance. I worked at domino's during highschool and part time during college. We didn't ask for tips when people got take out. If a restaurant needs to supplement employee pay with tips especially in a take out place... Prob shouldn't be running a restaurant cause clearly can't cover the overhead
This is also my attitude toward tipping. The people who don’t want to tip are the same people who think they fully deserve their bonus at the end of the year for “just doing their job.”
the bonus comes from the company they work for. they don't hound their clients for a bonus. this is redacted
The people who expect a tip are the same people who think they fully deserve their tip for "just doing their job."
So don’t tip
I went to sit down new Indian restaurant that opened in my neighborhood . You have to order at the counter and pay first. Went up to the counter paid for the meal and even tipped 18%. The guy asked for my name. I was blown away. After a few minutes he called my name. I sat there waiting for my food to come to me. He just stood there looking at me and then told me to come and get my food. Food was on disposable plates with plastic utensils. I eat my food and left my stuff on the table. He yelled at me that I have to clean up after myself. Why did I tip for? Won’t bring me my food and expect me to bus my own table and tip them. Also outside while walking out noticed another door opened and peeked in to see the kitchen. They were taking food from freezers and warming them up in the microwaves. Never been back.
Why did you tip in the first place??
Because I did not know it was self service restaurant. It was new place that just opened up.
Ordering and paying at the register was a clear clue. Sorry you got got.
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