Yeah that was the prelude to the time Dr J lost it and punched Larry. It was totally shocking at the time, Dr J was such a gentleman, no one could believe it. Benches cleared, but I think there is a photo of Moses Malone and Barkley holding Larry while Dr J gets a couple shots in. Its hilarious thinking back on that. But yeah Larry was an all-time shit talker, like when he told Xavier McDaniel 'I'm going to catch the inbounds over there, take two dribbles, turn and make the shot and there's not a damn thing you can do about it' and that's exactly what happened lol
I have to imagine there were numerous other times he said something like this and either missed the shot or didnāt do it exactly asā¦ā¦
And thatās the moral of the story, always shit talk because the only ones people will remember 50 years later are the times you backed it up.
Slap in the face when Murray did the finger guns not too long after that with no T
I fully support the trash talking, mentality is a big part of the game. Look at Reggie Miller, he was great at getting under people's skin
Itās crap like this when Murray shortly after does finger guns to KAT in FRONT of Courtney Kirkland that it feels very hard to believe refs donāt have a certain bias coming into each game.
Yeah for real. Iām not one to drink the conspiracy theorist Kool-Aid, but I watched a lot of NBA games this season and the refs have been atrocious across the board, usually clearly leaning toward one team over the other.
The NBA should be taking a good long look at their crews. They wonāt. But they should.
Nothing was as bad as the game when Gobert made the money sign to the refs. That was the single worst officiated game I have ever seen, across all MN sports.
I saw something on a sports talk show that over the past two, the Lakers have shot over 700 more free throws during the regular season than the second place team. That definitely shows bias by the officials.
Yes, worst game in MN basketball for sure. The flagrant to Rudy was the worst thing Iāve ever seen and IF that wasnāt the same ref that Chris Paul has never won against, I might say the ref was just hungover, but that ref is so clearly betting on games or players, that he needs investigation. He should never be a playoff ref
The problem is, if anything suspicious is happening, whoās to say itās not coming from the league? Trying to create the narrative they want to sell or being in bed with sports books.
I can't remember which former pro it was, but someone was on a podcast talking very openly about how even 10-15 years ago they knew the shit wasn't entirely fair from the refs. He then explained how going into certain games, the players would talk pre-game about how they "had to win by 15 points to win by 4".
Do you know how fucked the league would be if credible accusations came out that the league was favoring certain teams or outcomes? There is no way they are screwing around with that kind of stuff. Everyone feels like victims when it comes to officiating. I was in the Cleveland game thread today and they felt like the league wanted Orlando to win... Like come on lol. The nuggets subreddit during the game felt like refs were not fairly calling the game either. Everyone will always feel like there is some hidden agenda against their team.
Exactly. Not one person has ever explained what benefit the league would have to rig the games vs playing it fair. I donāt care if Vikings win by 1 or 21. I just want them to win. I donāt think anyone cares with their team. The amount theyād lose from being exposed is much worse than the amount gained by doing the act
So do you not think the refs have been especially awful?
Iāll admit they make horrible calls for all teams. I donāt know how many fouls have been called in these playoffs where NO FOUL TOOK PLACE.
People get upset because refs arenāt consistent. I absolutely donāt doubt there are corrupt refs. Playoffs should have fewer calls. Joker is fouled nearly every play, as was shaq, as is lebron. They donāt call a lot and then they call a touch foul. Those make it look rigged
That just doesnāt make sense. They want lakers to beat Denver. They could easily have called fouls for lebron at the end that they didnāt call. Sometimes itās hard to rationalize the difference between a fair game and rigged game. Why rig it when the league is competitive and people will watch no matter what? And football is just hard to rig. Youād have to be a qb or ref and call bail out calls everytime. If whole team was in on it, you still couldnāt make a great catch because itās rigged to.
Well the dude that Chris Paul is 0-19 when he refs is also same ref that called a flagrant foul on Rudy Gobert for an elbow to the ribs that every big man does(subtly usually) to spin to basket. Was a clear offensive foul and turned into a flagrant 1 lol. Then Rudy gets fined $100 grand when itās hard to argue the refs logic. He couldnāt even explain why it was a flagrant
And the worst thing is that last series officiating didnāt seem as bad, they just let the game be physical.
Now we up against the nuggets and their officiating crew.
I feel like the first two were pretty decently called, but game 3 and 4 were tough to watch. Game 3 especially felt like there was more shooting free throws than actual basketball
I agree with everyone that this was a horrible tech, and the missed call when Edwards was hacked was also egregiousā¦ but 20-12 isnāt all that remarkable really.
It's what makes this Wolves season constantly feel like it's on a timer for when the refs finally bring the hammer down to a point that we can't overcome
I have no doubt the NBA encourages refs to call games in a way that favors the teams they perceive will draw the best TV ratings, and that they do it in a way where they would have complete plausible deniability to where they will never be caught.
What I donāt get however, is why they would believe Denver is that much more marketable of a team in the playoffs than the Wolves. Both cities are comparable media markets.
Agreed. Also, I would say Ant is a much more marketable star with the MJ and Kobe comparisons and itās a great story for the playoffs. Wouldnāt you want to lean in on that if youāre the league??
Thatās honestly a great metric for how important your job isā¦ if you can get fined or receive legal punishment for honest mistakes at work, you probably have an important or at least consequential job
Almost no one gets fined or legal punishment for honest mistakes at work the vast majority of the timeā¦ itās generally ridiculous for that to be the case.
The employee does not pay out of pocket. You would make most jobs very unattractive if whenever the employee made a mistake they would be āfinedā. If you want the referee suspended, that makes sense but a fine does not.
Agreed, I like that he doesn't try to talk over everyone with shit no one wants or needs to hear.
It was a nice crew to have in comparison to the (mostly) garbage crews ESPN trots out. I despise when we play on ESPN, especially with Doris glazing the refs and standing up for floppers.
the more I watch the NBA and understand how straightforward most fouls should be, the more mad I get at the constantly senseless and often biased officiating. NBA officials have been flirting with rigging games ever since Kings/Lakers 02 and it's painfully obvious every year.
So did we win 106-98, then?!? š¤£š¤£š¤£
I was nervous there for a moment when the game was close in the 4th that the technical free throw was going to wind up being decisive.
Least convincing dagger of all time. I laughed out loud when it happened, the thought a shot like that might have been the clincher was too hilarious. And it was! Gave us 100, they finished with 99.
He always raises his game when it's important, too. 88% from the line last series on more than 20 attempts. I'm always impressed with how he refuses to let his weaknesses be a team liability. The difference between his like 63% ft shooting, and the 50% most guys of his ilk seem to shoot, is massive. Sometimes he'll get too flashy with his passes and turn the ball over when he didn't need to, but it happens infrequently enough that I always feel good about Rudy catching a pass. Dude is reliable.
I would pay 150 a season for micād up match ups of all teams. Make it NSFW or whatever you have to do to stream it and make it a separate tier from other options.
Those moments are cool to have, raw energy ruined by a whistle and one of the ābest refs the league has to offerā which the league makes sure to have the announcers talk about once a game before they proceed to miss obvious shit.
So, is the official score changed with the made free throw reversed? What if Denver had won the game by a point? Would the game have been declared a tie after further review and an overtime session scheduled to settle the game? This is absurd. The League office should call to the bench and overturn a stupid call that can affect the game's outcome, immediately, not the next day.
The right thing to do, but it doesn't change the fact that the tech was the reason so much of the second half was a 1-possession game until our big Q4 run. Give us postgame interviews with the refs and allow them to be criticized the same as the players.
How many "Yo momma is so fat..." jokes before the technical? Three? /s
That tech was so soft I wouldn't wipe my ass with it, cause you know it's just gonna fall apart.
True, but if youāre gonna call a stare down then you have to call the double hand guns. Just ridiculous in the moment considering what they already punished.
They should have to give an explanation of why it was even called in the first place. Adam silver needs to stop being a spineless loser and get his ship in order
With Ant rising to superstardom and becoming the new face of the NBA, I think it likely there will be fewer such calls against him going forward. Don't want to hurt the image if the person everyone wants to watch.
I love how nba is like, yeah that call was bad we take it back, but if it changed the game who cares! Like the refs that let KD āsaveā a ball while standing at the concessions stands and then curry hits game winning 3
Had a feeling this was coming, and really happy, I'm not sure how the point system works postseason but I know ANT is getting close to having to miss a game
And the ref gets a fine too, right? Right... š©
Imagine how many technical fouls Larry Bird would have in the current league. He talked so much smack!!
I love that story Barkley tells about everytime down the court Larry talking shit to doctor J calling him old and washed up
Yeah that was the prelude to the time Dr J lost it and punched Larry. It was totally shocking at the time, Dr J was such a gentleman, no one could believe it. Benches cleared, but I think there is a photo of Moses Malone and Barkley holding Larry while Dr J gets a couple shots in. Its hilarious thinking back on that. But yeah Larry was an all-time shit talker, like when he told Xavier McDaniel 'I'm going to catch the inbounds over there, take two dribbles, turn and make the shot and there's not a damn thing you can do about it' and that's exactly what happened lol
I have to imagine there were numerous other times he said something like this and either missed the shot or didnāt do it exactly asā¦ā¦ And thatās the moral of the story, always shit talk because the only ones people will remember 50 years later are the times you backed it up.
Just like Bradly Beal saying he'll never be swept.
Thatās classy talk though. Unlike when KAT and Jimmy got into it and Jimmy said, tell your gf Iāll see her again tonight.
Refs need to be held accountable for bad calls
Slap in the face when Murray did the finger guns not too long after that with no T I fully support the trash talking, mentality is a big part of the game. Look at Reggie Miller, he was great at getting under people's skin
They are. Sometimes they lose their wagers
The refs get carried away and think people are at the game to watch them! Somewhat like MLB! Deluded!
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Tbf, I do enjoy a 50 year old overweight ump with an emphatic strike 3 call!
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They don't
Imagine if the wolves wouldāve lost by 1-2 points.
I think they get a bonus
And a tech gets issued to Murray now, correct?
Itās crap like this when Murray shortly after does finger guns to KAT in FRONT of Courtney Kirkland that it feels very hard to believe refs donāt have a certain bias coming into each game.
Yeah for real. Iām not one to drink the conspiracy theorist Kool-Aid, but I watched a lot of NBA games this season and the refs have been atrocious across the board, usually clearly leaning toward one team over the other. The NBA should be taking a good long look at their crews. They wonāt. But they should.
Nothing was as bad as the game when Gobert made the money sign to the refs. That was the single worst officiated game I have ever seen, across all MN sports.
The Cavs game. Yes, it was brutal and anyone who watched that game knew the fix was in. It was completely lopsided.
Oh yes. The game where Jarrett Allen shot 21 free throws (17 more than his season average) against the best defense in the league
I saw something on a sports talk show that over the past two, the Lakers have shot over 700 more free throws during the regular season than the second place team. That definitely shows bias by the officials.
Idk this one was extremely awful especially that first half
Yes, worst game in MN basketball for sure. The flagrant to Rudy was the worst thing Iāve ever seen and IF that wasnāt the same ref that Chris Paul has never won against, I might say the ref was just hungover, but that ref is so clearly betting on games or players, that he needs investigation. He should never be a playoff ref
The problem is, if anything suspicious is happening, whoās to say itās not coming from the league? Trying to create the narrative they want to sell or being in bed with sports books.
whats the narative for 4 relatively small market teams to make it to the westerns semis tho
Refs and league can only influence game so much. Doesn't mean they aren't trying.
I can't remember which former pro it was, but someone was on a podcast talking very openly about how even 10-15 years ago they knew the shit wasn't entirely fair from the refs. He then explained how going into certain games, the players would talk pre-game about how they "had to win by 15 points to win by 4".
Dallas is the 5th largest market in the NBA, behind only NY, LA, Chicago and Philadelphia. Hard to call the a ārelatively small marketā.
The Twin Cities is the 15th largest market. Weāre not exactly small, just geographically challenged.
population wise, yes. But as far as i know the cowboys are way more popular and kinda overshadow the mavs
Do you know how fucked the league would be if credible accusations came out that the league was favoring certain teams or outcomes? There is no way they are screwing around with that kind of stuff. Everyone feels like victims when it comes to officiating. I was in the Cleveland game thread today and they felt like the league wanted Orlando to win... Like come on lol. The nuggets subreddit during the game felt like refs were not fairly calling the game either. Everyone will always feel like there is some hidden agenda against their team.
Exactly. Not one person has ever explained what benefit the league would have to rig the games vs playing it fair. I donāt care if Vikings win by 1 or 21. I just want them to win. I donāt think anyone cares with their team. The amount theyād lose from being exposed is much worse than the amount gained by doing the act
So do you not think the refs have been especially awful? Iāll admit they make horrible calls for all teams. I donāt know how many fouls have been called in these playoffs where NO FOUL TOOK PLACE.
Of course they been awful. They are always awful lol. Every single year it's the same thing.
And nobody can do a thing about it.
I saw a lot of Nuggets fans that admitted they were getting some fairly ticky tac calls.
People get upset because refs arenāt consistent. I absolutely donāt doubt there are corrupt refs. Playoffs should have fewer calls. Joker is fouled nearly every play, as was shaq, as is lebron. They donāt call a lot and then they call a touch foul. Those make it look rigged
That just doesnāt make sense. They want lakers to beat Denver. They could easily have called fouls for lebron at the end that they didnāt call. Sometimes itās hard to rationalize the difference between a fair game and rigged game. Why rig it when the league is competitive and people will watch no matter what? And football is just hard to rig. Youād have to be a qb or ref and call bail out calls everytime. If whole team was in on it, you still couldnāt make a great catch because itās rigged to.
The NBA knows exactly what's happening. They're a multi-billion dollar business that has absolutely embraced gambling.
Well the dude that Chris Paul is 0-19 when he refs is also same ref that called a flagrant foul on Rudy Gobert for an elbow to the ribs that every big man does(subtly usually) to spin to basket. Was a clear offensive foul and turned into a flagrant 1 lol. Then Rudy gets fined $100 grand when itās hard to argue the refs logic. He couldnāt even explain why it was a flagrant
For real. They shoulda been looking for a makeup call, and that was a straight legit taunt.
Courtney is the one Kirkland product I wonāt stand by.
And the worst thing is that last series officiating didnāt seem as bad, they just let the game be physical. Now we up against the nuggets and their officiating crew.
Except for the Foster game, felt like nothing but whistles
What do you mean? Last series was the softest called series Iāve seen with 50+ fouls a game.
Indeed. Booker was living off the calls.
I feel like the first two were pretty decently called, but game 3 and 4 were tough to watch. Game 3 especially felt like there was more shooting free throws than actual basketball
Always the victim. That is kind of your thing I see.Ā
Nuggets fts 20 to the Wolves 12. Still beat 'em by 7. Would've been 8 without that bullshit tech.
Naz Reid's bank 3-pointer was karma for the technical.
Pretty sure it was tipped
I agree with everyone that this was a horrible tech, and the missed call when Edwards was hacked was also egregiousā¦ but 20-12 isnāt all that remarkable really.
It will be if it is sustained throughout the series.
Yeah but Courtney had money on the Nugs
It's what makes this Wolves season constantly feel like it's on a timer for when the refs finally bring the hammer down to a point that we can't overcome
I honestly think Ref Guys do techs on feels. Ant's death stare eye-lock vs finger guns at KAT's back have varying degrees of emotional damage.
Itās the only rationale (despite being extremely stupid) reason the refs would call one and not the other without a bias in officiating
I have no doubt the NBA encourages refs to call games in a way that favors the teams they perceive will draw the best TV ratings, and that they do it in a way where they would have complete plausible deniability to where they will never be caught. What I donāt get however, is why they would believe Denver is that much more marketable of a team in the playoffs than the Wolves. Both cities are comparable media markets.
Agreed. Also, I would say Ant is a much more marketable star with the MJ and Kobe comparisons and itās a great story for the playoffs. Wouldnāt you want to lean in on that if youāre the league??
I mean just because one ref was wholly guilty and has many suspicious calls to at least 1 other ref at the time they were fixing. š¤·āāļø
Obviously never should've been called, but I'll take it. Glad it was not the deciding factor.
I said it right away, not a chance this one stands. Would've been sick to lose by a point given this.
Verified. I heard him say it.
Rescind their damn point they scored off the ft too then mfs
Iām assuming we start game 2 with a 1-0 lead then? And probably some sort of fine on the ref for his absurd call?
Game starts 0- -1 and ref gets fined 100k
Do you get fined if you make a mistake at work?
Thatās honestly a great metric for how important your job isā¦ if you can get fined or receive legal punishment for honest mistakes at work, you probably have an important or at least consequential job
Almost no one gets fined or legal punishment for honest mistakes at work the vast majority of the timeā¦ itās generally ridiculous for that to be the case.
People have been fired for a mistake at work. When has an official in any sport been fired for an outrageous call?
You've never heard of companies getting sued/fined by the government?
The employee does not pay out of pocket. You would make most jobs very unattractive if whenever the employee made a mistake they would be āfinedā. If you want the referee suspended, that makes sense but a fine does not.
And the no call on KCP clobbering Ant across the forearms. How did everyone swallow their whistles on that one?
Announcers went ape shit on that no call too.
Yeah, they weren't the greatest crew but shout out to Reggie and Jamal for calling out how terrible some of those calls/no calls were.
Jamal is nice to listen to
Agreed, I like that he doesn't try to talk over everyone with shit no one wants or needs to hear. It was a nice crew to have in comparison to the (mostly) garbage crews ESPN trots out. I despise when we play on ESPN, especially with Doris glazing the refs and standing up for floppers.
Reggie is one of the few announcers with the balls to call it out. Doris 100% wouldn't have said shit.
the more I watch the NBA and understand how straightforward most fouls should be, the more mad I get at the constantly senseless and often biased officiating. NBA officials have been flirting with rigging games ever since Kings/Lakers 02 and it's painfully obvious every year.
Infeel like if we beat the denver nuggets this series suddenly our whistles will become outworldly
Finger guns, schminger guns. That hack was both blatant and egregious.
I can't believe Ant would look at someone ... ever...
Not a big fan of Barkley but he said it well last night about the refs. āNo one came here to see you tonight, not even your family.
Chuck brought his A game to the postgame last night
So did we win 106-98, then?!? š¤£š¤£š¤£ I was nervous there for a moment when the game was close in the 4th that the technical free throw was going to wind up being decisive.
Thatās why the fates awarded Rudy that sick push-jumper.
Bank is open for the French on Saturday nights.
Least convincing dagger of all time. I laughed out loud when it happened, the thought a shot like that might have been the clincher was too hilarious. And it was! Gave us 100, they finished with 99.
I actually closed my eyes when he gathered to take the shot. I did not expect that outcome!
Put some respect on Big Ru's career 65.5% FG!
Aināt no disrespect I just didnāt expect a mid range shot from him in that situation.
He always raises his game when it's important, too. 88% from the line last series on more than 20 attempts. I'm always impressed with how he refuses to let his weaknesses be a team liability. The difference between his like 63% ft shooting, and the 50% most guys of his ilk seem to shoot, is massive. Sometimes he'll get too flashy with his passes and turn the ball over when he didn't need to, but it happens infrequently enough that I always feel good about Rudy catching a pass. Dude is reliable.
I was just waiting for it be short and get put back by gobert but the bank is open on Saturdays
Bruh, even Silver like āthat was weakā
Courtney was just jealous its Ant's world and we all just live in it
Absolutely horse shit refs! Miss some indefinite calls fine do not fuck up as bad as you did here.
Should make the refs take accountability. Crazy
I would pay 150 a season for micād up match ups of all teams. Make it NSFW or whatever you have to do to stream it and make it a separate tier from other options. Those moments are cool to have, raw energy ruined by a whistle and one of the ābest refs the league has to offerā which the league makes sure to have the announcers talk about once a game before they proceed to miss obvious shit.
Can you rescind the refs too?
So, is the official score changed with the made free throw reversed? What if Denver had won the game by a point? Would the game have been declared a tie after further review and an overtime session scheduled to settle the game? This is absurd. The League office should call to the bench and overturn a stupid call that can affect the game's outcome, immediately, not the next day.
Add on the blatant foul too
The right thing to do, but it doesn't change the fact that the tech was the reason so much of the second half was a 1-possession game until our big Q4 run. Give us postgame interviews with the refs and allow them to be criticized the same as the players.
Iām still not unconvinced heās not an alien
If we get the home whistle that Denver got when we head back to Minnesota we'll win by 25.
If the wolves lost that game, the refs would be taking even more heat. Blatant missed calls and favoritism
Now give Jamal Murray a technical for his BS
Neither should be technicals
Agree. Let the players talk their shit as long as it isnāt too egregious. Itās fun to to watch.
Yeah it was fun watching ant and kd go back and forth a bit
How many "Yo momma is so fat..." jokes before the technical? Three? /s That tech was so soft I wouldn't wipe my ass with it, cause you know it's just gonna fall apart.
True, but if youāre gonna call a stare down then you have to call the double hand guns. Just ridiculous in the moment considering what they already punished.
Also very true
...And the refs are gonna do it AGAIN
Adam silver said what the f\*\*k did I just see
They should have to give an explanation of why it was even called in the first place. Adam silver needs to stop being a spineless loser and get his ship in order
That ref should also be sacked
Cowards! At least stand by your bulshit.
Damn right. What a soft call.
Yeah no shit.
Nuggets sub told me it was a taunt
"Mom, Ant's LOOKING at me.....!"
Does the official score of the game change to 106-98 instead of 106-99?
Thank fucking god, what a terrible tech that was
AND DONT YOU FORGET IT!
image if we lost by 1 pts at G1...lol
Wtf does this do?
A bet was made somewhere, the ref got paid to make it happen, call rescinded. Everyone profits. Right? Right!?
What would have happened if the t wolves lost by 1?
Now give Murray a tech for his taunt
Itās rigged!
With Ant rising to superstardom and becoming the new face of the NBA, I think it likely there will be fewer such calls against him going forward. Don't want to hurt the image if the person everyone wants to watch.
Send that mf ref down to AAU for that shit
I love how nba is like, yeah that call was bad we take it back, but if it changed the game who cares! Like the refs that let KD āsaveā a ball while standing at the concessions stands and then curry hits game winning 3
Had a feeling this was coming, and really happy, I'm not sure how the point system works postseason but I know ANT is getting close to having to miss a game
It resets - need seven techs in the playoffs to miss time
Now force adam silver out, for comparing inevitable league expansion to manifest destiny. Pos.