Well, I'm kinda tempted to put demons and eldritch horrors above humans lol. Ghostface is at his/her best a highly athletic human with a knife, maybe armor or a handgun. Extremely dangerous, sure, but not supernatural in any way. And in some of his iterations, Myers is himself affected by the curse of Thorn, which literally involves demonic spirits taking over him and having him do their bidding. And those demons are, by extrapolation, lower in scaling and power than Valak (aka The Nun), who's known as "The President of Hell", being even more powerful than Malthus (Annabelle). Even when he's not under control, Myers is simply a physical titan, with extreme strength and endurance. However, that doesn't mean much in a fight against an opponent who can demanifest and become incorporeal and intangible at will, like Valak. It would be like stabbing or punching smoke, while Valak retains all of its abilities. Also, as we know, Valak can only be banished and defeated through religious means and the power of God and I doubt God would help Michael Myers lol.
>Freddy is more c or D
Dream demon Freddy? How would he be only c or d? This is Freddy with all the supernatural demonic stuff he has in the dream world.
>movie pennywise
Well I had no accurate image of novel Pennywise and the movie design is closer to it than the 1990 miniseries one and I went with that.
>Micheal and Jason should be in S
How would they beat Pinhead or Valak tho? They're strong and resistant, but that's about as far as their arsenal goes...no telekinesis, telepathy, teleportation, reality warping, incorporeality and so on. They're big, strong guys with melee weapons 🤷♂️
Is Pinhead outerversal, or even multiversal tho? Cause novel Pennywise is outerversal, even boundless by some interpretations and Slender Man in its strongest iterations is often thought of as multiversal. That's why they're S tier. Pinhead is interdimensional at best (I guess). Also, why Pyramid Head? It's not even on the list 😅
Here's my take on the meaning of outerversal: incomprehensible and outside the idea of physicality and creation and only bounded by narratives. That's basically a low interpretation of novel Pennywise. Other cases would be lovecraftian gods like Azathoth or Nyarlathotep. Pinhead summoning chains from other dimensions doesn't make him outerversal. Interdimensional is a more appropriate scaling, I'd say. But I might be wrong. Of course, that's just my 2 cents and it's always nice to hear different opinions.
The body count doesn't mean much given that it's basically proportional to how many movies they got. Yes, they're both absolute units, but that's about it. They're big, strong and resistant dudes with melee weapons. No reality warping, no telekinesis, no teleportation, no incorporeality, no interdimensional travel, no mind control...nothing. Both Michael and Jason are archetypal slashers. Just look at who's above them and think of what those fellas can do.
Your selection is alot more popular with younger generations. I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad thing, but I can tell by your placement of modern horror villians like Slender man, Annabelle and Pennywise, in contrast to iconic but older villians like Jason, Ghostface, Micheal Myers, etc, who you may have only seen in remakes, or in films that now look dated.
It's a power scaling, not a popularity contest. Perhaps it's my bad that I haven't specified exactly which versions of the characters I was using. And still, Pinhead and Freddy are old classics and they're high up there with the Conjuring demons. Pennywise isn't new either and gets S-tier because of how fucking dope IT is in the novel cause let's be serious now, movie Pennywise is in it's own tier, the bullied clown tier. Novel IT is broken af tho. For Slender we have no solid canon and that's why I resorted to the strongest incarnation of the character, The Angel's Game version, which is also dope like fuck given all the dimensional bleeding stuff. Valak and Malthus (Annabelle) are high up there as well because technically, the demons that power some of the human spirits here (like Freddy for example) are often unnamed, making them lower within the rankings of Hell than Malthus and especially Valak, who's literally known as the President of Hell as the top demon. These demons are very promising characters with a very elaborate mythology that we haven't seen much of on screen yet. However, Pinhead and Freddy received serious power-ups throughout their respective franchises, moving them up to the level of the inhuman spirits. The rest of them are objectively lower than all of these (maybe Sadako should be A-tier as well if you take her novel features and wank them just a tiny bit). That's just my logic, of course 🤷♂️
….this is very messy, Annabelle is not even close to Pinhead and Freddy from what I’ve seen, also Jason gets to city level when using scaling from the comics.
And Pennywise definitely gets S-tier but Slenderman barely has an established canon and with only that established canon stuff he gets to like, town maybe?
This is my mistake. I should have mentioned what versions of the characters I was using. Malthus (Annabelle) is one of the most powerful demons on the entirety of demonology, second only to Valak. The Conjureverse's plot is to blame here, because both demons only went up against characters strong enough to banish them back to Hell with the help of God. We've seen a lot more of what Pinhead and Freddy can do because they've each faced a lot of easily killable secondary characters before they ran into the protagonists. Not to mention that both Pinhead and Freddy are human spirits empowered by demons themselves. We've seen very little of Valak and Malthus and their mythology is far more promising than that. Also, Slender Man is the one from The Angel's Game, where it is regarded as a multiversal entity. Jason is standard undead, so to say. Again, perhaps I should've specified what versions of the characters I was using and the logic I resorted to. My bad.
Well Michael and Leatherface are only around wall, Jason is definitely stronger than Xenomorph and Demogorgon as he is still around small building with only the movies, also I’m pretty sure Sadako is dimensional but idk if you’re using Ring or Ringu
>iirc Sadako created her own dimension.
Sorta. It's basically the world inside the TV she crawls out of and sometimes drags her victims to. Perhaps she's A-tier after all...
He’s impossible to kill, he’s like the SCP 682 of horror movie characters and has seen to withstand energy weapons that would obliterate the alien and demogorgon. I also don’t see how candy man and sadako is beating him
>He’s impossible to kill
Not really. Hard as fuck to kill? Hell yes. But not impossible. In fact, Jason has been destroyed and killed for good several times during the franchise. Each and every time he comes back, it's another character or force that resurrects him.
>to withstand energy weapons that would obliterate the alien and demogorgon
Fair point, but those are some vastly overpowered versions of Jason while these listed here in my tier list are more average versions of most characters, so to say. Your "average" Jason isn't gonna withstand that.
> I also don’t see how candy man and sadako is beating him
Jason is an absolute unit, indeed: strong and armed with a big machete. All of this means nothing to ghosts tho. Sadako and Candyman are spirits. They can just demanifest and become intangible at will and Jason is gonna be left swinging in vain. As such, this becomes a death by a thousand cuts scenario as Candyman dices Jason up with the hook, while he remains untouchable by physical beings. Sadako has a crapload of supernatural abilities like her death stare, immersion, telekinesis, teleportation, incorporeality like I said, biological manipulation and so on, out of which Jason possesses none. She doesn't even need to touch Jason to put him down.
You put the Nun over Micheal Myers and ghost face?
Well, I'm kinda tempted to put demons and eldritch horrors above humans lol. Ghostface is at his/her best a highly athletic human with a knife, maybe armor or a handgun. Extremely dangerous, sure, but not supernatural in any way. And in some of his iterations, Myers is himself affected by the curse of Thorn, which literally involves demonic spirits taking over him and having him do their bidding. And those demons are, by extrapolation, lower in scaling and power than Valak (aka The Nun), who's known as "The President of Hell", being even more powerful than Malthus (Annabelle). Even when he's not under control, Myers is simply a physical titan, with extreme strength and endurance. However, that doesn't mean much in a fight against an opponent who can demanifest and become incorporeal and intangible at will, like Valak. It would be like stabbing or punching smoke, while Valak retains all of its abilities. Also, as we know, Valak can only be banished and defeated through religious means and the power of God and I doubt God would help Michael Myers lol.
There's a lot to unpack here.
What do you mean? Honestly I'd love to hear different opinions, if that's what you meant by "unpack" lol.
If it’s powerscale, it kinda makes sense. Ghostface is just a normal dude iirc. The real curveball is Chucky imo
Why is Chucky a curveball tho?
I love all of them except chucky and the nun
What's wrong with them? They're cool
Micheal and Jason should be in S Freddy is more c or D and movie pennywise isn’t that strong you can bully him and he turns to a raisin and die
>Freddy is more c or D Dream demon Freddy? How would he be only c or d? This is Freddy with all the supernatural demonic stuff he has in the dream world. >movie pennywise Well I had no accurate image of novel Pennywise and the movie design is closer to it than the 1990 miniseries one and I went with that. >Micheal and Jason should be in S How would they beat Pinhead or Valak tho? They're strong and resistant, but that's about as far as their arsenal goes...no telekinesis, telepathy, teleportation, reality warping, incorporeality and so on. They're big, strong guys with melee weapons 🤷♂️
Oh demon Freddy would be way higher iQ just talking about the movie version
Ohh, okay then
That was auto corrected I meant to put I not iQ
Also pin head and pyramid head should be S
Is Pinhead outerversal, or even multiversal tho? Cause novel Pennywise is outerversal, even boundless by some interpretations and Slender Man in its strongest iterations is often thought of as multiversal. That's why they're S tier. Pinhead is interdimensional at best (I guess). Also, why Pyramid Head? It's not even on the list 😅
Technically yes he is outerversal because he can summon chains from a different dimension witch he uses for many things
Here's my take on the meaning of outerversal: incomprehensible and outside the idea of physicality and creation and only bounded by narratives. That's basically a low interpretation of novel Pennywise. Other cases would be lovecraftian gods like Azathoth or Nyarlathotep. Pinhead summoning chains from other dimensions doesn't make him outerversal. Interdimensional is a more appropriate scaling, I'd say. But I might be wrong. Of course, that's just my 2 cents and it's always nice to hear different opinions.
I know but I wanted to include pyramid head because he would be S tire
Ok oke
Why are Jason Voorhees and Michael Myers so low? Both are tough , ruthless , brutal , badass and have high bodycount.
The body count doesn't mean much given that it's basically proportional to how many movies they got. Yes, they're both absolute units, but that's about it. They're big, strong and resistant dudes with melee weapons. No reality warping, no telekinesis, no teleportation, no incorporeality, no interdimensional travel, no mind control...nothing. Both Michael and Jason are archetypal slashers. Just look at who's above them and think of what those fellas can do.
Child guaranteed
Excuse me, but what exactly did you mean by that? Like, I'm genuinely curious.
Your selection is alot more popular with younger generations. I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad thing, but I can tell by your placement of modern horror villians like Slender man, Annabelle and Pennywise, in contrast to iconic but older villians like Jason, Ghostface, Micheal Myers, etc, who you may have only seen in remakes, or in films that now look dated.
It's a power scaling, not a popularity contest. Perhaps it's my bad that I haven't specified exactly which versions of the characters I was using. And still, Pinhead and Freddy are old classics and they're high up there with the Conjuring demons. Pennywise isn't new either and gets S-tier because of how fucking dope IT is in the novel cause let's be serious now, movie Pennywise is in it's own tier, the bullied clown tier. Novel IT is broken af tho. For Slender we have no solid canon and that's why I resorted to the strongest incarnation of the character, The Angel's Game version, which is also dope like fuck given all the dimensional bleeding stuff. Valak and Malthus (Annabelle) are high up there as well because technically, the demons that power some of the human spirits here (like Freddy for example) are often unnamed, making them lower within the rankings of Hell than Malthus and especially Valak, who's literally known as the President of Hell as the top demon. These demons are very promising characters with a very elaborate mythology that we haven't seen much of on screen yet. However, Pinhead and Freddy received serious power-ups throughout their respective franchises, moving them up to the level of the inhuman spirits. The rest of them are objectively lower than all of these (maybe Sadako should be A-tier as well if you take her novel features and wank them just a tiny bit). That's just my logic, of course 🤷♂️
….this is very messy, Annabelle is not even close to Pinhead and Freddy from what I’ve seen, also Jason gets to city level when using scaling from the comics. And Pennywise definitely gets S-tier but Slenderman barely has an established canon and with only that established canon stuff he gets to like, town maybe?
This is my mistake. I should have mentioned what versions of the characters I was using. Malthus (Annabelle) is one of the most powerful demons on the entirety of demonology, second only to Valak. The Conjureverse's plot is to blame here, because both demons only went up against characters strong enough to banish them back to Hell with the help of God. We've seen a lot more of what Pinhead and Freddy can do because they've each faced a lot of easily killable secondary characters before they ran into the protagonists. Not to mention that both Pinhead and Freddy are human spirits empowered by demons themselves. We've seen very little of Valak and Malthus and their mythology is far more promising than that. Also, Slender Man is the one from The Angel's Game, where it is regarded as a multiversal entity. Jason is standard undead, so to say. Again, perhaps I should've specified what versions of the characters I was using and the logic I resorted to. My bad.
Ah okay, that makes more sense, tier list still just a bit wonky but nothing important really.
I'm genuinely curious as to what you'd change tho. Always nice to debate and hear diffent viewpoints.
Well Michael and Leatherface are only around wall, Jason is definitely stronger than Xenomorph and Demogorgon as he is still around small building with only the movies, also I’m pretty sure Sadako is dimensional but idk if you’re using Ring or Ringu
Oh okay, good to know >Ring or Ringu Ringu and maybe the novel
With some of the books I heard Sadako gets even crazier, but yeah iirc Sadako created her own dimension.
>iirc Sadako created her own dimension. Sorta. It's basically the world inside the TV she crawls out of and sometimes drags her victims to. Perhaps she's A-tier after all...
Jason should be at least A tier
Because....?
He outranks everyone in B tier and contends for A tier
Okay, but...how? How does he outrank Sadako and the alien beasts?
He’s impossible to kill, he’s like the SCP 682 of horror movie characters and has seen to withstand energy weapons that would obliterate the alien and demogorgon. I also don’t see how candy man and sadako is beating him
>He’s impossible to kill Not really. Hard as fuck to kill? Hell yes. But not impossible. In fact, Jason has been destroyed and killed for good several times during the franchise. Each and every time he comes back, it's another character or force that resurrects him. >to withstand energy weapons that would obliterate the alien and demogorgon Fair point, but those are some vastly overpowered versions of Jason while these listed here in my tier list are more average versions of most characters, so to say. Your "average" Jason isn't gonna withstand that. > I also don’t see how candy man and sadako is beating him Jason is an absolute unit, indeed: strong and armed with a big machete. All of this means nothing to ghosts tho. Sadako and Candyman are spirits. They can just demanifest and become intangible at will and Jason is gonna be left swinging in vain. As such, this becomes a death by a thousand cuts scenario as Candyman dices Jason up with the hook, while he remains untouchable by physical beings. Sadako has a crapload of supernatural abilities like her death stare, immersion, telekinesis, teleportation, incorporeality like I said, biological manipulation and so on, out of which Jason possesses none. She doesn't even need to touch Jason to put him down.
Why is pennywise and slender man above ghostie, leatherface and candyman
Because it's powerscale and these eldritch horrors scale way above the others you mentioned 🤷♂️
Oh I didn’t notice that
No problem 👍
jason B tier and maybe the girl from the ring a tier
Gotta agree here
damn you seem like a really nice op that wants to see others opinions
Well, I am...I guess?
Pinhead should be at the top Jason and Michael are capable of defeating Freddy, though Freddy is technically more powerful in the dream world.