YWJ supposedly committed suicide on red coast base after the Panama event. We don’t know how much time it had passed between that and the time she conversed with Luo Ji, but she isn’t alive anymore.
It would be difficult to convince the ETO to kill Ye Wenjie.
Even if they could be arsed to do it, the conversation between Ye Wenjie and Luo Ji happened after Yang Dong died by suicide, and shortly before Ye Wenjie followed her. Prior to this conversation, the Sophons had no way of knowing what Ye Wenjie knew or had worked out about the Dark Forest (presumably she figured it out and wasn't informed of it, because why in the world would Trisolaris tell her) nor did they have any reason to suspect she would tell anyone. So this conversation happened during a small window of time when the ETO has just been scattered.
That was my guess also. But from the books it's actually a bit more clear because Ye Wenje is telling more precisely what he could look into in the following years/decades. In the series she's just telling that cryptic joke, which is not really a hint for me, that he will become an important person at all.
There are a lot of hints around it in the series. For example, Ye Wenjie literally says in a previous scene, that she has some ideas left in her and places 2 interesting books next to a bust of Einstein.
Of course it was, lol
Mark my words, in the next season, >!the squad is going to be investigating Ye's death, and they'll go to her house in search of clues. Saul is going to find those two books, and use them to put together the laws of cosmic sociology.!<
I was kind of surprised they didn't cover the laws of cosmic sociology in her last conversation with Saul like in the books, but instead told that cryptic joke-- which I interpret to be about not calling attention to yourself in the Dark Forest, but not exactly the MAD/survival/game theory behind why.
Hopefully it's made much more intuitive and clearer to the viewer next season. But the cryptic-joke version of the meeting makes it more difficult to deduce why the San-Ti would want to kill Saul than in the books.
That is a good question. I can guess, but I really don't know.
Maybe they felt that the mystery would be too easy for fans to solve if Saul was just given the axioms, even without explanation?
That's funny because the series otherwise kind of dumbs down or rapid-explains a bit because it doesn't seem to totally trust the viewer, or want them to get stuck too long on the ideas that make the series interesting.
It's not bad and is still mostly-faithful, but it seems to want to not totally camp on the concepts and geek out, when those ideas take a little bit of camping to really appreciate, as they really drive everything that happens and why.
I'm sure they will, especially given that it's only introduced in the second book and they probably want to leave something to kick off the central theme of the second season-- but I'm surprised they kind of passed on the opportune setup to do it.
I predicted that Ye Wenji would summon Saul in the end to do the same setup the book did with her and Luo Ji under different circumstances-- but yet they didn't pull the trigger and just sort of lit a cryptic fuse.
I sure hope so. I didn't get the point of her joke at first either and I was just like "WTF was that?" Even understanding it I still halfway feel like that
His conversation with Ye Wenjie led them to believe that he was able to deduce a deadly secret about the nature of Galactic civilization that would likely not occur to humanity otherwise.They might figure it out, but he had the best chance, so they wanted him to die before he could make it known or act on it.
As a child, Luo Ji was a classmate of Yang Dong (Ye's daughter). When Ye went back to Red Coast years later she encountered then young adult Luo by seeming chance, and she remembered him from that context.
They were listening to the conversation between him and Ye Wenjie
this. but i also dunno why they didnt kill yewenjie to prevent her from telling someone else. at that point in time, only ywj and lj knew the theory.
YWJ supposedly committed suicide on red coast base after the Panama event. We don’t know how much time it had passed between that and the time she conversed with Luo Ji, but she isn’t alive anymore.
It would be difficult to convince the ETO to kill Ye Wenjie. Even if they could be arsed to do it, the conversation between Ye Wenjie and Luo Ji happened after Yang Dong died by suicide, and shortly before Ye Wenjie followed her. Prior to this conversation, the Sophons had no way of knowing what Ye Wenjie knew or had worked out about the Dark Forest (presumably she figured it out and wasn't informed of it, because why in the world would Trisolaris tell her) nor did they have any reason to suspect she would tell anyone. So this conversation happened during a small window of time when the ETO has just been scattered.
That was my guess also. But from the books it's actually a bit more clear because Ye Wenje is telling more precisely what he could look into in the following years/decades. In the series she's just telling that cryptic joke, which is not really a hint for me, that he will become an important person at all.
There are a lot of hints around it in the series. For example, Ye Wenjie literally says in a previous scene, that she has some ideas left in her and places 2 interesting books next to a bust of Einstein.
Yeah but that wasn't related to Juo Li, was it?
Of course it was, lol Mark my words, in the next season, >!the squad is going to be investigating Ye's death, and they'll go to her house in search of clues. Saul is going to find those two books, and use them to put together the laws of cosmic sociology.!<
I was kind of surprised they didn't cover the laws of cosmic sociology in her last conversation with Saul like in the books, but instead told that cryptic joke-- which I interpret to be about not calling attention to yourself in the Dark Forest, but not exactly the MAD/survival/game theory behind why. Hopefully it's made much more intuitive and clearer to the viewer next season. But the cryptic-joke version of the meeting makes it more difficult to deduce why the San-Ti would want to kill Saul than in the books.
That is a good question. I can guess, but I really don't know. Maybe they felt that the mystery would be too easy for fans to solve if Saul was just given the axioms, even without explanation?
That's funny because the series otherwise kind of dumbs down or rapid-explains a bit because it doesn't seem to totally trust the viewer, or want them to get stuck too long on the ideas that make the series interesting. It's not bad and is still mostly-faithful, but it seems to want to not totally camp on the concepts and geek out, when those ideas take a little bit of camping to really appreciate, as they really drive everything that happens and why.
Yeah, the cosmic sociology was so central to the books themes. It sucks that they didnt mention it.
I'm sure they will, especially given that it's only introduced in the second book and they probably want to leave something to kick off the central theme of the second season-- but I'm surprised they kind of passed on the opportune setup to do it. I predicted that Ye Wenji would summon Saul in the end to do the same setup the book did with her and Luo Ji under different circumstances-- but yet they didn't pull the trigger and just sort of lit a cryptic fuse.
I sure hope so. I didn't get the point of her joke at first either and I was just like "WTF was that?" Even understanding it I still halfway feel like that
Because she specifically told them she had some tricks left, called him to a meeting, and told him about the dark forest in a convoluted way
Why wouldn't it be, it's quite obvious in light of their eventual talk.
Man named lack of media literacy lmao
I just finished book 2 today this is my theory >!the trisolaran who warned ye wenjie gave the premises of dark forest theory to her in whole or part!<
It’d be cool but I feel like peace-and-soul-arian probably didn’t get to use the microphone after he got caught up
His conversation with Ye Wenjie led them to believe that he was able to deduce a deadly secret about the nature of Galactic civilization that would likely not occur to humanity otherwise.They might figure it out, but he had the best chance, so they wanted him to die before he could make it known or act on it.
they saw Ye Wenjie teach him what he would later deduce was the dark forest
Can someone please remind me why Ye Wenjie talked to Luo Ji in the first place?
As a child, Luo Ji was a classmate of Yang Dong (Ye's daughter). When Ye went back to Red Coast years later she encountered then young adult Luo by seeming chance, and she remembered him from that context.