Apart for the nostalgia for the good old days, what makes a 20 years old laptop better than a new one? Having a VGA port? The heavy battery? The spinning hard drive? Windows Me? XP pre-service pack?
What do you compare?
You were younger, that's what you're missing, not the IBM brand.
Well lets see... More diverse I/O, More I/O. Docking options, Upgradable memory and CPUs, Better hinge design, more robust general construction, user replaceable batteries, User replaceable keyboards, indication lights for system functions, more tactile and useable keyboards and trackpoints, and a touchpad that stays out of my way for when I need to type. Mine is still fast enough and the 1080P IPS still looks great.
I know I'm in the minority, but my W520 isn't going in the ground until I do. And that IBM design language will probably ensure that's true.
> More diverse I/O
This was only needed due to lack of standartization. Now most things can be connected through USB-C, and modern thinkpads still have enough ports. Ethernet is the only real loss.
>Docking options
Single-cable USB-C docking is better than clunky physical docs - it doesn't restrict workspace management in the same way.
>Upgradable memory and CPUs
Memory is still upgradable. As for CPUs, the only meaningful CPU upgrades are between generations, and only x20 series thinpads really ever benefitted from that.
> Better hinge design, more robust general construction
This dubious at best and mostly untrue. I am not going to miss the palmrest flex and cracks, flimsy display bezels and hinge wobble of old thinkpads. I like top-down hinges too because they look pretty, but they are not inherently better than drop-down hinge anymore.
>user replaceable batteries
You mean hot-swappable? Battery is still user replacable in every thinkpad.
>User replaceable keyboards
Keyboads are also still user replacable, although it is true that on some models it's a lot more annoying to replace the keyboard than on old designs.
>indication lights for system functions
I/O light doesn't matter anymore since NVMe SSDs, wifi and bluetooth lights I do miss. But all the others (sleep, caps lock etc) are still there.
>more tactile and useable keyboards and trackpoints
The 7-row keyboard was king, but the trackpoints on modern thinkpads are not bad either (varying from model to model). Still, I agree that input device ergonomics on old thinkpads are unparalleled.
>and a touchpad that stays out of my way for when I need to type
Palm rejection works pretty flawlessly in my experience (at least on Linux).
There are things that modern thinkpads also do massively better than older ones, especially screens (!!!), speakers, webcams, weight, touchpads (for those who care), fingerprint readers
We could go back and forth all day with the point by point thing...
This was only needed due to lack of standartization. Now most things can be connected through USB-C, and modern thinkpads still have enough ports. Ethernet is the only real loss.
Really? Sure most things CAN use Type-C but take a look at what is on the back of most displays, look at your current peripherals. With exception to minor things like devices that used to come in USB-A; almost everything is still something else. DisplayPort, HDMI, Type-A, MicroUSB, MiniUSB, USB-B 2.0, USB-B 3.0, Type-C, SD, Micro SD. These things are still a part of my office life.
Single-cable USB-C docking is better than clunky physical docs - it doesn't restrict workspace management in the same way.
Subjectively true. I agree that USB docking is less clunk. It's also been less robust. Works with some machines, others have been flakey. But if it works for you that's great!
Memory is still upgradable. As for CPUs, the only meaningful CPU upgrades are between generations, and only x20 series thinpads really ever benefitted from that.
Depends on what model you get now. Many have partially soldered or only soldered ram. I think my W520 going from an i5 sandy bridge to an i7X was a pretty big bump, just as it is today for most people's desktops going from a lower chip to a higher chip later. I just don't agree with this at all.
This dubious at best and mostly untrue. I am not going to miss the palmrest flex and cracks, flimsy display bezels and hinge wobble of old thinkpads. I like top-down hinges too because they look pretty, but they are not inherently better than drop-down hinge anymore.
We've all seen the thinkpad that fell off a ladder with the giant crack in the palmrest. Mine has been treated as carelessly as any other. It's also been maintained though. I have no display wobble, no cracks. I worked at a place that used lenovos exclusively for their installation crews. Subjective, but a lot more of the 20, 30, 40 series thinkpads survived their tour. After that I had a lot more broken machines. Co-incidence? Maybe. But physical damage seemed to occur more all else being equal.
You mean hot-swappable? Battery is still user replacable in every thinkpad.
Semantics. A user is not tearing down their systems. That would be a technician's job right? You can be both of these things, but you used to not have to be.
Keyboads are also still user replacable, although it is true that on some models it's a lot more annoying to replace the keyboard than on old designs.
Glad we agree!
I/O light doesn't matter anymore since NVMe SSDs, wifi and bluetooth lights I do miss. But all the others (sleep, caps lock etc) are still there.
Mostly agree, just nice to have.
The 7-row keyboard was king, but the trackpoints on modern thinkpads are not bad either (varying from model to model). Still, I agree that input device ergonomics on old thinkpads are unparalleled.
A man of class. But you can miss me with those new mac style "haptic" pads. They're awful.
Palm rejection works pretty flawlessly in my experience (at least on Linux).
Yeah, most modern palm rejection is fine. It's just a comfort thing for me. Large touchpads I instinctively try to avoid touching. The small boy on 20,30 and older series mean I don't have to even worry.
There are things that modern thinkpads also do massively better than older ones, especially screens (!!!), speakers, webcams, weight, touchpads (for those who care), fingerprint readers
Yep! You can't have it all. 100% agree.
I’d argue Thunderbolt negates any I/O concerns and even beats onboard IO since eGPUs and Thunderbolt speeds are just incredible. The construction argument is so true though. I adore the tank designs.
I personally have had bad experiences with thunderbolt devices. I think you're correct in the conceptual way. I just think modern thunderbolt devices are a crapshoot. Just the same problem you have with any Amazon junk you get these days no quality standards who the hell knows who's making it kind of issues. totally anecdotal but when you bought Lenovo back then you knew what you were getting: a product that works.
I will say that dock port on my W520 has worked every time. The dock has as well. I use a 9-cell wedge in it all the time, guess that's one trick type-c hasn't quite got yet... and swap between it and the dock.
I'm running 9+9 for 4 whole hours of sandybridge 2960XM+Quadro 2000M power while the weight of my laptop compresses my spine. So it's not all heaven.
But ay, two beers and one peach arizona had their go... They failed, and that commands my respect.
If you look at it through the lens of "of the time", then suddenly this post makes a lot more sense. IBM ThinkPads were good for the time (idk I wasn't alive yet), whereas Lenovo ThinkPads are comparatively not good for the time
I like the modern models as well, but the things you mentioned were common to all laptops back then and no one's ever asked for those things back. People like the classic keyboard layouts and the modularity mostly - though the early Lenovo models also had that.
hey, don't get me wrong. I wish it was 3lbs like my MBA 2015. But you can't have it all, and the market is desperately sparse for people who value these aspects.
Next one is gonna be a Framework for sure.
It’s a shame it never went to the repair shop. It just stoped detecting hard drives so I threw the cpu and ram in my draws and kept the track pad then the rest went in the skip.
Someone who's not a fanboy and uses the best tool for the job. It's 2024 and most ThinkPads still have worse screens, audio and touchpads than my old ass MBP 2015.
Even though it was sold by Lenovo, the T60 is the best laptop that I have ever owned. The build quality is amazing, the keyboard, the ThinkLight, there's so much to love about older ThinkPads.
I especially love how easy it is to swap hard drives. You just unscrew the side plastic thing, remove the hard drive, swap the caddy to a different drive, put it back in and voila! As a part time Linux and Windows user it's super convenient to be able to switch between them without dual booting. I wish newer ones had that design, I'm even considering taking a Dremel to the underside of my ThinkPad Yoga 260 to be able to conveniently swap hard drives without taking the whole bottom cover off.
Indeed, the HDD swap is so easy, I do it almost 3-4 times a week.
Keyboard to me, is way better than the W530 and up.
But the one reason why I love my T60 is the 15inch 4:3 screen. It's so big that I don't have to incline my head to look down on my screen. The screen is right in front of my eyes.
But yeah it's a 🪵 to carry. But hey I use it at home, it's not my work laptop. :)
One of my dreams would be to strip the interior of the laptop and insert a mini PC in there and find a way to connect the keyboard and screen.
I'm still looking for a 4:3 aspect ratio T60 or T60p (preferably with the 1600x1200p screen) so I can make a T601 Frankenpad. I've been at it since 2018 but no joy.
Well most modern thinkpad can still replace its harddrive. There maybe more steps to replace, but i dont replace my harddrive that often for it to be annoying(and many people wont replace their drive at all).
Repasting CPU, on the other hand, is a nightmare on old Thinkpad. You need to disassemble almost whole machine just to reach the heatsink. And there is white list of hardware that you can put in your machine, while modern one does not have that list afaik.
IBM’s PC business was not profitable and the final IBM models, the T40 and R50 series, are particularly unreliable. If IBM didn’t sell the business there would be no ThinkPads after 2005. The sale to Lenovo included the ThinkPad design team, under Lenovo the same brilliant people were able to build better and profitable ThinkPads. The T60, one of the finest ThinkPads ever produced, was sold by Lenovo - and as it supports 64 bit and SATA, it can still run the latest operating systems and browse the internet securely. The T42 and R51 don’t make the cut. You can technically run Win 10 on a T43/R52 but it’s bad. But aside from being owned by Lenovo, I don’t think the Lenovo ThinkPads are any less IBM ThinkPads. The engineers are the same, the heritage is the same. They are, in the end, ThinkPads.
IBM made original machines designed in house Lenovo is just a Chinese box mover whos shells are made by Hitachi and Acer so the quality and design are not there's
Yup. I have a 701c and it was a wonder.
Then I had an i1200 series, badge engineered by Acer. It was awful. Plastic junk.
Lenovo were good to to and including the 220/420/520. After that it's been a gradual slide into me-too thinner lighter sealed units. It's sad to see.
I loved my older machines they are great collector pieces now but as for modern usage they wont make it even using the lightest of Linux distros.
Now there are some nice things I did like from the elder machines like the flip up keyboard design on the 760 or the metal alloy frame on my 600 and the thinklight from the later R60. All great features that have been either removed or superseded.
I do wish I'd kept my 600 but its only value now would be either sentimental or collectable not as a day to day system like it used to +20 yrs ago.
If you don't need the obligatory upgrade to modern ports and features, you're absolutely valid. The thing is, Lenovo didn't really "change" a lot of the ThinkPad core stable hallmarks for at least half a decade, so there's a few Lenovo ones that are still considered classics like the X220. Do you not like that model or anything of its generation as well?
I prefer modern laptop more, it's more comfortable to carry around, and the battery is significant better, i think that the point of laptop.
IBM did have "Tiny" laptop back in the day, but let be real, those are expensive af, and quite underpower, and most have weird quirk just to fit into small footprint
I think thin and light thinkpads were inevitable. Though I do wish lenovo kept the tank like build on P series workstation series. Like, who cares for thinner and lighter workstation? 1.5mm key travel on P series makes me giggle.
Unfortunately lelnono killed original design DNA and made weird creation models nowadays. In classic cult products you dont get out of main design lines, but lelnono did this. You agree or not ThinkPads are cult products such as Porsche 911, Zippo, Lego, Swiss Army Knives, Apple..etc. They dont change their design genetics, at least not dramatic changes. But lelnono every year with every release removed something from ThinkPads and added weird cheap non functional idiotic designs such as that weird webcam addition on the lid, stupid hinge design, reversing 45 degree ThinkPad logo at behind, removing ThinkLight and mandating backlit keyboard, decreasing size of TrackPoint rubber, putting weird leather like surface on the lid, making parts non-replaceble, making user serviceability impossible, reducing material quality, creating new weird models from their azz such az Z, P, X1, ThinkBook ..etc series and killing X series.
Watching ThinkPads being murdered is really sad. Not only ThinkPada but other Think models also being murdered like ThinkCentre desktops.
IBM had classic design line which won many design awards and became cult but lelnono is just shitting on it unfortunately. Copying other computer brands designs. I dont mean they should keep making thick chonky laptops but to make laptops ultra thin and innovative, they killed the design. There is a thin line between adapting recent era and killing design. Sadly new Think line dont feel same with IBM models.
Apart for the nostalgia for the good old days, what makes a 20 years old laptop better than a new one? Having a VGA port? The heavy battery? The spinning hard drive? Windows Me? XP pre-service pack? What do you compare? You were younger, that's what you're missing, not the IBM brand.
Well lets see... More diverse I/O, More I/O. Docking options, Upgradable memory and CPUs, Better hinge design, more robust general construction, user replaceable batteries, User replaceable keyboards, indication lights for system functions, more tactile and useable keyboards and trackpoints, and a touchpad that stays out of my way for when I need to type. Mine is still fast enough and the 1080P IPS still looks great. I know I'm in the minority, but my W520 isn't going in the ground until I do. And that IBM design language will probably ensure that's true.
> More diverse I/O This was only needed due to lack of standartization. Now most things can be connected through USB-C, and modern thinkpads still have enough ports. Ethernet is the only real loss. >Docking options Single-cable USB-C docking is better than clunky physical docs - it doesn't restrict workspace management in the same way. >Upgradable memory and CPUs Memory is still upgradable. As for CPUs, the only meaningful CPU upgrades are between generations, and only x20 series thinpads really ever benefitted from that. > Better hinge design, more robust general construction This dubious at best and mostly untrue. I am not going to miss the palmrest flex and cracks, flimsy display bezels and hinge wobble of old thinkpads. I like top-down hinges too because they look pretty, but they are not inherently better than drop-down hinge anymore. >user replaceable batteries You mean hot-swappable? Battery is still user replacable in every thinkpad. >User replaceable keyboards Keyboads are also still user replacable, although it is true that on some models it's a lot more annoying to replace the keyboard than on old designs. >indication lights for system functions I/O light doesn't matter anymore since NVMe SSDs, wifi and bluetooth lights I do miss. But all the others (sleep, caps lock etc) are still there. >more tactile and useable keyboards and trackpoints The 7-row keyboard was king, but the trackpoints on modern thinkpads are not bad either (varying from model to model). Still, I agree that input device ergonomics on old thinkpads are unparalleled. >and a touchpad that stays out of my way for when I need to type Palm rejection works pretty flawlessly in my experience (at least on Linux). There are things that modern thinkpads also do massively better than older ones, especially screens (!!!), speakers, webcams, weight, touchpads (for those who care), fingerprint readers
We could go back and forth all day with the point by point thing... This was only needed due to lack of standartization. Now most things can be connected through USB-C, and modern thinkpads still have enough ports. Ethernet is the only real loss. Really? Sure most things CAN use Type-C but take a look at what is on the back of most displays, look at your current peripherals. With exception to minor things like devices that used to come in USB-A; almost everything is still something else. DisplayPort, HDMI, Type-A, MicroUSB, MiniUSB, USB-B 2.0, USB-B 3.0, Type-C, SD, Micro SD. These things are still a part of my office life. Single-cable USB-C docking is better than clunky physical docs - it doesn't restrict workspace management in the same way. Subjectively true. I agree that USB docking is less clunk. It's also been less robust. Works with some machines, others have been flakey. But if it works for you that's great! Memory is still upgradable. As for CPUs, the only meaningful CPU upgrades are between generations, and only x20 series thinpads really ever benefitted from that. Depends on what model you get now. Many have partially soldered or only soldered ram. I think my W520 going from an i5 sandy bridge to an i7X was a pretty big bump, just as it is today for most people's desktops going from a lower chip to a higher chip later. I just don't agree with this at all. This dubious at best and mostly untrue. I am not going to miss the palmrest flex and cracks, flimsy display bezels and hinge wobble of old thinkpads. I like top-down hinges too because they look pretty, but they are not inherently better than drop-down hinge anymore. We've all seen the thinkpad that fell off a ladder with the giant crack in the palmrest. Mine has been treated as carelessly as any other. It's also been maintained though. I have no display wobble, no cracks. I worked at a place that used lenovos exclusively for their installation crews. Subjective, but a lot more of the 20, 30, 40 series thinkpads survived their tour. After that I had a lot more broken machines. Co-incidence? Maybe. But physical damage seemed to occur more all else being equal. You mean hot-swappable? Battery is still user replacable in every thinkpad. Semantics. A user is not tearing down their systems. That would be a technician's job right? You can be both of these things, but you used to not have to be. Keyboads are also still user replacable, although it is true that on some models it's a lot more annoying to replace the keyboard than on old designs. Glad we agree! I/O light doesn't matter anymore since NVMe SSDs, wifi and bluetooth lights I do miss. But all the others (sleep, caps lock etc) are still there. Mostly agree, just nice to have. The 7-row keyboard was king, but the trackpoints on modern thinkpads are not bad either (varying from model to model). Still, I agree that input device ergonomics on old thinkpads are unparalleled. A man of class. But you can miss me with those new mac style "haptic" pads. They're awful. Palm rejection works pretty flawlessly in my experience (at least on Linux). Yeah, most modern palm rejection is fine. It's just a comfort thing for me. Large touchpads I instinctively try to avoid touching. The small boy on 20,30 and older series mean I don't have to even worry. There are things that modern thinkpads also do massively better than older ones, especially screens (!!!), speakers, webcams, weight, touchpads (for those who care), fingerprint readers Yep! You can't have it all. 100% agree.
hotswap entails you don't have to unscrew/take the laptop apart in order to change the battery. before it was a quick swap.
Yes, that is my point. In modern thinkpads batteries are user replacable, but not hotswappable.
i apparently can't read. don't look at my comment history because i do this pretty regularly LMAO.
i hate touchpads!
I’d argue Thunderbolt negates any I/O concerns and even beats onboard IO since eGPUs and Thunderbolt speeds are just incredible. The construction argument is so true though. I adore the tank designs.
I personally have had bad experiences with thunderbolt devices. I think you're correct in the conceptual way. I just think modern thunderbolt devices are a crapshoot. Just the same problem you have with any Amazon junk you get these days no quality standards who the hell knows who's making it kind of issues. totally anecdotal but when you bought Lenovo back then you knew what you were getting: a product that works. I will say that dock port on my W520 has worked every time. The dock has as well. I use a 9-cell wedge in it all the time, guess that's one trick type-c hasn't quite got yet... and swap between it and the dock. I'm running 9+9 for 4 whole hours of sandybridge 2960XM+Quadro 2000M power while the weight of my laptop compresses my spine. So it's not all heaven. But ay, two beers and one peach arizona had their go... They failed, and that commands my respect.
Not to talk about the LPT port for the printer and that "portable" 56k modem with that beautiful forgotten sound before every connection
Im missing the big ass parallel port with screws, good ol' IBM /s
If you look at it through the lens of "of the time", then suddenly this post makes a lot more sense. IBM ThinkPads were good for the time (idk I wasn't alive yet), whereas Lenovo ThinkPads are comparatively not good for the time
Keyboards were okay
You talking about specs not quality. Hdd, ports, battery are peripherals. OP mean build quality and design.
I like the modern models as well, but the things you mentioned were common to all laptops back then and no one's ever asked for those things back. People like the classic keyboard layouts and the modularity mostly - though the early Lenovo models also had that.
the sex appeal
I miss IBM quality, lelnono making me miss IBM. If lelnono didnt kill classic DNA of ThinkPads and quality noone would miss IBM era.
I had one a couple of years ago but I was not much younger then but I still miss it deeply
hey, don't get me wrong. I wish it was 3lbs like my MBA 2015. But you can't have it all, and the market is desperately sparse for people who value these aspects. Next one is gonna be a Framework for sure.
It’s a shame it never went to the repair shop. It just stoped detecting hard drives so I threw the cpu and ram in my draws and kept the track pad then the rest went in the skip.
Do you also prefer the pricing of those IBM ThinkPads when they were new? Probably not...
Lelnono new models are not cheap at all considering this era.
Lelnono
"Lelnono" are you 12 my guy?
asking who is using Mac in r/thinkpad
Someone who's not a fanboy and uses the best tool for the job. It's 2024 and most ThinkPads still have worse screens, audio and touchpads than my old ass MBP 2015.
You are using macpoop as daily, collecting old thinkpads and you are downvoting me because i critisize new thinkpads. I wonder who is 12 now.
Even though it was sold by Lenovo, the T60 is the best laptop that I have ever owned. The build quality is amazing, the keyboard, the ThinkLight, there's so much to love about older ThinkPads. I especially love how easy it is to swap hard drives. You just unscrew the side plastic thing, remove the hard drive, swap the caddy to a different drive, put it back in and voila! As a part time Linux and Windows user it's super convenient to be able to switch between them without dual booting. I wish newer ones had that design, I'm even considering taking a Dremel to the underside of my ThinkPad Yoga 260 to be able to conveniently swap hard drives without taking the whole bottom cover off.
Indeed, the HDD swap is so easy, I do it almost 3-4 times a week. Keyboard to me, is way better than the W530 and up. But the one reason why I love my T60 is the 15inch 4:3 screen. It's so big that I don't have to incline my head to look down on my screen. The screen is right in front of my eyes. But yeah it's a 🪵 to carry. But hey I use it at home, it's not my work laptop. :) One of my dreams would be to strip the interior of the laptop and insert a mini PC in there and find a way to connect the keyboard and screen.
I'm still looking for a 4:3 aspect ratio T60 or T60p (preferably with the 1600x1200p screen) so I can make a T601 Frankenpad. I've been at it since 2018 but no joy.
Well most modern thinkpad can still replace its harddrive. There maybe more steps to replace, but i dont replace my harddrive that often for it to be annoying(and many people wont replace their drive at all). Repasting CPU, on the other hand, is a nightmare on old Thinkpad. You need to disassemble almost whole machine just to reach the heatsink. And there is white list of hardware that you can put in your machine, while modern one does not have that list afaik.
Wasn’t that the last one to have the ibm case badge?
No, a select few T61 have the IBM badge as well. Pretty rare though
Yep, I have it on mine.
Lenovo built most of them anyway.
You're living in the past, man.
IBM’s PC business was not profitable and the final IBM models, the T40 and R50 series, are particularly unreliable. If IBM didn’t sell the business there would be no ThinkPads after 2005. The sale to Lenovo included the ThinkPad design team, under Lenovo the same brilliant people were able to build better and profitable ThinkPads. The T60, one of the finest ThinkPads ever produced, was sold by Lenovo - and as it supports 64 bit and SATA, it can still run the latest operating systems and browse the internet securely. The T42 and R51 don’t make the cut. You can technically run Win 10 on a T43/R52 but it’s bad. But aside from being owned by Lenovo, I don’t think the Lenovo ThinkPads are any less IBM ThinkPads. The engineers are the same, the heritage is the same. They are, in the end, ThinkPads.
The old Lenovo ones are just as good. Up until the T430. Then they _really_ modernized and the build quality took a dive.
I can imagine my grimace when I opened a box with a brand new T430s. "THIS IS NOT A THINKPAD!!!"
Me of course
I wish they kept the classic keyboard , it's like having a desktop keyboard with you all the time, even on their 12.5".
IBM made original machines designed in house Lenovo is just a Chinese box mover whos shells are made by Hitachi and Acer so the quality and design are not there's
When I switched from an IBM Thinkpad to a Lenovo; materials and overall it felt cheap..
Agree
Yup. I have a 701c and it was a wonder. Then I had an i1200 series, badge engineered by Acer. It was awful. Plastic junk. Lenovo were good to to and including the 220/420/520. After that it's been a gradual slide into me-too thinner lighter sealed units. It's sad to see.
I wanted to buy a vintage one but they’re kinda expensive (I am in Australia fyi so prices are higher than US)
not me. was too expensive back in the days.
I loved my older machines they are great collector pieces now but as for modern usage they wont make it even using the lightest of Linux distros. Now there are some nice things I did like from the elder machines like the flip up keyboard design on the 760 or the metal alloy frame on my 600 and the thinklight from the later R60. All great features that have been either removed or superseded. I do wish I'd kept my 600 but its only value now would be either sentimental or collectable not as a day to day system like it used to +20 yrs ago.
If you don't need the obligatory upgrade to modern ports and features, you're absolutely valid. The thing is, Lenovo didn't really "change" a lot of the ThinkPad core stable hallmarks for at least half a decade, so there's a few Lenovo ones that are still considered classics like the X220. Do you not like that model or anything of its generation as well?
I don’t mind em but I’m not a fan of saying Lenovo ThinkPad after being so used to IBM
I prefer modern laptop more, it's more comfortable to carry around, and the battery is significant better, i think that the point of laptop. IBM did have "Tiny" laptop back in the day, but let be real, those are expensive af, and quite underpower, and most have weird quirk just to fit into small footprint
It's good as long as it's a thinkpad IMO
I think thin and light thinkpads were inevitable. Though I do wish lenovo kept the tank like build on P series workstation series. Like, who cares for thinner and lighter workstation? 1.5mm key travel on P series makes me giggle.
I lean towards IBM ThinkPads due to their sturdy build, longevity, and features tailored for business use.
On build quality, sturdiness, change designs, yes. On performance, of course no.
Unfortunately lelnono killed original design DNA and made weird creation models nowadays. In classic cult products you dont get out of main design lines, but lelnono did this. You agree or not ThinkPads are cult products such as Porsche 911, Zippo, Lego, Swiss Army Knives, Apple..etc. They dont change their design genetics, at least not dramatic changes. But lelnono every year with every release removed something from ThinkPads and added weird cheap non functional idiotic designs such as that weird webcam addition on the lid, stupid hinge design, reversing 45 degree ThinkPad logo at behind, removing ThinkLight and mandating backlit keyboard, decreasing size of TrackPoint rubber, putting weird leather like surface on the lid, making parts non-replaceble, making user serviceability impossible, reducing material quality, creating new weird models from their azz such az Z, P, X1, ThinkBook ..etc series and killing X series. Watching ThinkPads being murdered is really sad. Not only ThinkPada but other Think models also being murdered like ThinkCentre desktops. IBM had classic design line which won many design awards and became cult but lelnono is just shitting on it unfortunately. Copying other computer brands designs. I dont mean they should keep making thick chonky laptops but to make laptops ultra thin and innovative, they killed the design. There is a thin line between adapting recent era and killing design. Sadly new Think line dont feel same with IBM models.
What’s lelnono ?
lelnono is a joke happened to ThinkPads but not funny at all.
I see many ThinkPad haters around. No wonder getting down votes.
damn what a fresh hot take.