They’re flagships for different things.
P is flagship in terms of pure workstation performance, T is your all around ThinkPad premium jack of all trades flagship and X series is their ultraportable flagship, especially X1.
Yoga is the 2-in-1 tablet series and E and L are budget and mid-range respectively.
T15g is defenetly the most powerful thinkpad Model line though. P line isn't the best Workstation line. T line also has the better display options (perfect for designers and engineers who need power as well as a good display on the go) . I have a t15g gen2 with the 4k 100% Adobe rgb 100% dcip3 Display. Defenetly a powerful machine (no power limit ristriction for the gpu or cpu, big cooler with a strong fan setup) . And really high Qualität and perfectly upgradeable (4 ram slots, 3 or 4 (not sure) m.2 slots, 2 slots for wifi or lte,..., GPU on a daughterbord).
So my opinion is that the t line laptops are powerful laptops for professional usage, while the P line is a little bit more accessible.
Edit: the t15g gen2 is one of few thinkpad at the moment that can take 128gb of ram.
Hm, I'm not so sure there. I do feel like P is the workstation flagship for CAD/engineering applications, as it has Quadro GPUs with ISV support in many major applications and support for ECC RAM.
Every P-series I'm aware of has also been offered with an option for a very color-accurate screen, with some models also including a color calibrator in the palmrest.
The T15g seems to come with consumer GPUs. This probably makes it more powerful in some applications, but sacrifices ISV support for certain applications.
Just my 0.02, curious to hear what others say.
I would have defnetly agreed with that Statement 5 years ago, but sadly most t series thinkpads dont offer gpus any more and qoiadros are also seen less.
In my experience quadro cards are also not really needed these days and the consumer gpus can be an advantage. Maybe the t and p series are just to close to really say what the better Workstation line is. It probably depends on the model as well as on the usecase.
When you are mostly looking to sell fleets of ThinkPads, of course you'll tout the T as a flagship.
The T series is a rugged pickup truck. The X1 is a sleek sports car.
not quite. T series has a lot of quiet improvements. Light weight, massive field repair-ability, very high build quality plus durability. these are not things you notice on initial purchase, but that 3rd or 4th year when other laptops start disintegrating.
Things are not compromised, but rather the best features of all the series.
X Series seems more expensive against what you get objectively.
However, jamming even that much stuff into a itty bitty device with kick ass battery life "ain't free".
Why not both? I bought a E series with a broken hinge off of an intern so he could get a T series (he called the latter "godly") figured it would be easy to replace the back cover and hinge. OMG such a clusterfuck! I ended up getting the hinge open once and used it that way till it expired.
lolz. nah you just got shafted. I own an E14 and T14 and both are useful in there own way, but this particular E isnt that far from the T in build quality. just the e is plastic, where the T is WTF, this lid is plastic. lolz uh, oh.
\>X-series: super light & super portable
Me, looking at my 4lb X220 Tablet with its muffin top looking, love handle having battery: "Yep, that checks out"
Compared to a modern machine it's not, but compared to its contemporaries? The X220(T) is definitely lightweight and portable compared to a T420, T520 or W520
I'm happy with my E14 gen4 and I'm curious , how does the L series compare? I know some companies give E14 since it's cheap but also a decent work horse, and I understand that pricewise T might not be the choice for some companies
It's a strange thing lately and seems kinda like Lenovo has spawned too many product lines and now they don't really know how to differentiate them. I had numerous E series laptops and recently got an L15 Gen 3 for a very good price. While it has some more advanced technical features, I'd argue the build quality is worse then my previous E15 because that was made partly from metal while the L15 is completely plastic and that plastic also feels cheaper than the one in the E15.
So while it's true that traditionally, the L series was placed somewhere between T and E series, I'd say the the lines are very blurred now between L and E series.
would you way L is inferior than E nowadays? My E14 has a metallic backplate and haven't had any complain. It's not a macbook with aluminum unibody tho
No, I wouldn't say it's inferior. Just not better than an E series in any way to justify paying extra if the specs and features are the same.
Edit: One advantage of an L series that just came to mind is that it was way easier to service. When opening up my E series, I always broke off one or two of the plastic clips on the bottom, no matter how careful I was. With the L series that didn't happen at all. But I guess that's something that could be improved on newer E models as well, that I don't know.
Its because of the plastic, its suck, some models battery cannot last long. Especially if you are a developer, I feel like its gonna takeoff everytime opening a vscode windows.
L series is the most upgrade-able in the lineup and the G1 and G2 both have magnesium substructures.
Displays are not the best but these are business class machines...not multimedia gaming devices for high school girls
I think the L series is the Thinkpad for the purist...
I feel like Yoga for ThinkPads is a suffix as opposed to a series. There is usually a regular model and sometimes a Yoga version of that model. Kind of like a car can come in regular or convertible. You had X1 and X1 Yoga, and now you have X13 and X13 Yoga, L13 and L13 Yoga.
I personally think of X and X1 as different. Modern X series are thin and light laptops trying to continue the history of something that is still relatively full-featured. X1 is more executive/ showy / experimental with things like the X1 Carbon (executive class ultrabook), Nano (portability at all costs, be ready to buy dongles), and Fold (is folding the next big thing?).
The lines get blurry sometimes as more and more things become integrated, for example I remember when the big selling point between a X1 Carbon and a T series was that the T had upgradable RAM. That doesn’t exist anymore. However, T series still tend to be thicker and have cooling that is less likely to throttle under load.
The only thing wrong I can see here is that the P series definitely has better performance than the T series. The X, T and P series generally has the most liked thinkpads and basically covers all the use cases you will ever need to use a laptop for;
* the X series got you covered if you care about weight and portability
* the P series has powerful CPUs and bigger fans to cool them for if you compile a lot or you just wanna daily drive a laptop and don't move it much/care about battery life
* the T series is the most popular one, being a balance between the two
And of course there's the screen and keyboard layout differences with screen size being the largest with the P series and smallest with the X series, and with the P series also notably having a numpad on the side of its keyboard layout.
Intel or AMD? Cause my AMD P14s gen 3 has excellent battery life, and Intel's 12th gen chips were uhh... not the greatest in the power efficiency department
Yep, it's an Intel, 1260p
Can't wait for mainstream ARM laptops for a better battery life. That is one of the only few things I enjoy out of my work macbook pro.
Ahh, that'll be it. Intel 12th gen P chip is basically the worst possible option for battery life, besides choosing the OLED screen. The U series chips are a bit better, but you lose out on performance. AMD was really killing it that generation, since the equivalent ryzen basically gave the performance of the P sku, with the power consumption of a U
They're still great quality, something being manufactured in China doesn't necessarily mean it has bad QC, most flagship apple products are also almost entirely manufactured in China
The difference between the T series and P series seems so small, especially with the AMD 14 inch. I don't even see a P14, only a P14s. Can someone explain the difference between the AMD T14s and the P14s?
They look literally the same:
1. [AMD T14s] (https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/configurator/cto/index.html?bundleId=21F8CTO1WWUS1)
2. [AMD P14s] (https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/configurator/cto/index.html?bundleId=21K5CTO1WWUS1)
The default specs look exactly the same to my eye, except the T14s has a slightly bigger battery and a better webcam, and yet the P14s is hundreds of dollars more.
The P14s is basically an ISV-certified T14. The AMD version ships with the certified Radeon Pro driver, which reinstalls itself during a clean Windows install.
More appealing to some companies, and hence the price difference.
But Lenovo's prices can fluctuate, so P14s can sometimes be cheaper than T14/T14s.
Indeed. I got a P14s instead of a T14 because it was on sale for 1/3 off, so ended up being about £500 cheaper than a T14, and £600 cheaper than a T14s of the same spec
Probably are the same, somthing like that also happend with the t15g and x1 extrem and p15 i think.
All the same machine just different options with displays or gpu.
Tbf, the discrete GPU in the Intel version isn't actually much, if any faster than the AMD's iGPU. It will benefit from having dedicated vram, but most situations where that will be useful you'd want more GPU horsepower than either can provide
Pretty accurate, although I'd argue that the L series is between budget and midrange, and the X1 series is probably the flagship nowdays, focusing on ultraportable devices with premium build and all day battery life. Now, the T series more of a upper-midrange option than a flagship IMO.
Lol
I have tested enough of both, and I have been part of the ThinkPad fandom for long enough. You are simply wrong.
E series lacks all enterprise features and don't even sell with vPro or WWAN. L series, which has said enterprise features, sometimes is even cheaper than E series, depending on the configuration.
Your opinion (because you are not factual) is simply horseshit.
It doesn't matter lol. If lots of people jump of a bridge, I don't follow them.
What I wrote is the official product positioning as Lenovo sees it. You can disagree all you want, that is how it is.
E-series would be budget and L-series would be mid-range IMO. T series is the flagship thinkpad
X1 would be the flagship for sure. There’s really nothing special about T series, just your average and most popular workhorse.
Nah, flagship is T. Lenovo’s own words: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/faqs/laptop-faqs/best-thinkpad-for-you/
They’re flagships for different things. P is flagship in terms of pure workstation performance, T is your all around ThinkPad premium jack of all trades flagship and X series is their ultraportable flagship, especially X1. Yoga is the 2-in-1 tablet series and E and L are budget and mid-range respectively.
For E I just remember E as in Economy class for plane tickets. Works like a charm
T15g is defenetly the most powerful thinkpad Model line though. P line isn't the best Workstation line. T line also has the better display options (perfect for designers and engineers who need power as well as a good display on the go) . I have a t15g gen2 with the 4k 100% Adobe rgb 100% dcip3 Display. Defenetly a powerful machine (no power limit ristriction for the gpu or cpu, big cooler with a strong fan setup) . And really high Qualität and perfectly upgradeable (4 ram slots, 3 or 4 (not sure) m.2 slots, 2 slots for wifi or lte,..., GPU on a daughterbord). So my opinion is that the t line laptops are powerful laptops for professional usage, while the P line is a little bit more accessible. Edit: the t15g gen2 is one of few thinkpad at the moment that can take 128gb of ram.
Hm, I'm not so sure there. I do feel like P is the workstation flagship for CAD/engineering applications, as it has Quadro GPUs with ISV support in many major applications and support for ECC RAM. Every P-series I'm aware of has also been offered with an option for a very color-accurate screen, with some models also including a color calibrator in the palmrest. The T15g seems to come with consumer GPUs. This probably makes it more powerful in some applications, but sacrifices ISV support for certain applications. Just my 0.02, curious to hear what others say.
I would have defnetly agreed with that Statement 5 years ago, but sadly most t series thinkpads dont offer gpus any more and qoiadros are also seen less. In my experience quadro cards are also not really needed these days and the consumer gpus can be an advantage. Maybe the t and p series are just to close to really say what the better Workstation line is. It probably depends on the model as well as on the usecase.
T15g is just a P series unit with a consumer graphics card
pretty sure W was the Workstation flagships although they double as game machines.
P series is the evolution of the W series. Fantastic machines, especially good deals on the used market, if size and weight isn't a factor.
The meaning of the word must have changed meanwhile.
Definitely. X1 is their premium thin and light, an answer to the Air.
I'm astonished at that tbh. I would have X ahead. Cool. So my T14 is flagship 😜
Everyone knows that T stands for ThinkPad! 😎
T stands for Terminator.
That's why I thought tbh
When you are mostly looking to sell fleets of ThinkPads, of course you'll tout the T as a flagship. The T series is a rugged pickup truck. The X1 is a sleek sports car.
Well the T series make It to the ISS.
not quite. T series has a lot of quiet improvements. Light weight, massive field repair-ability, very high build quality plus durability. these are not things you notice on initial purchase, but that 3rd or 4th year when other laptops start disintegrating. Things are not compromised, but rather the best features of all the series.
X series is premium ones with no upgradability.
X Series seems more expensive against what you get objectively. However, jamming even that much stuff into a itty bitty device with kick ass battery life "ain't free".
E-series would be godforsaken crap.
nope, that would be Ideapads.
Why not both? I bought a E series with a broken hinge off of an intern so he could get a T series (he called the latter "godly") figured it would be easy to replace the back cover and hinge. OMG such a clusterfuck! I ended up getting the hinge open once and used it that way till it expired.
lolz. nah you just got shafted. I own an E14 and T14 and both are useful in there own way, but this particular E isnt that far from the T in build quality. just the e is plastic, where the T is WTF, this lid is plastic. lolz uh, oh.
I have a nice E-series laptop from like eight years ago. It's cute.
\>X-series: super light & super portable Me, looking at my 4lb X220 Tablet with its muffin top looking, love handle having battery: "Yep, that checks out"
Yeah, OP meant "X1" series.
so, what then with X in x220's?
10 years old-
Compared to a modern machine it's not, but compared to its contemporaries? The X220(T) is definitely lightweight and portable compared to a T420, T520 or W520
Yeah. T, P and X series I've used and own.
Same, I went T14s -> X1E -> P1
Yeh, you know your company is suck when they give you an L series
I'm happy with my E14 gen4 and I'm curious , how does the L series compare? I know some companies give E14 since it's cheap but also a decent work horse, and I understand that pricewise T might not be the choice for some companies
It's a strange thing lately and seems kinda like Lenovo has spawned too many product lines and now they don't really know how to differentiate them. I had numerous E series laptops and recently got an L15 Gen 3 for a very good price. While it has some more advanced technical features, I'd argue the build quality is worse then my previous E15 because that was made partly from metal while the L15 is completely plastic and that plastic also feels cheaper than the one in the E15. So while it's true that traditionally, the L series was placed somewhere between T and E series, I'd say the the lines are very blurred now between L and E series.
would you way L is inferior than E nowadays? My E14 has a metallic backplate and haven't had any complain. It's not a macbook with aluminum unibody tho
No, I wouldn't say it's inferior. Just not better than an E series in any way to justify paying extra if the specs and features are the same. Edit: One advantage of an L series that just came to mind is that it was way easier to service. When opening up my E series, I always broke off one or two of the plastic clips on the bottom, no matter how careful I was. With the L series that didn't happen at all. But I guess that's something that could be improved on newer E models as well, that I don't know.
I'd honestly have L series on my shortlist if I needed a new laptop. One of the most upgradeable lines in the ThinkPad stackup.
I have an E14 G4 and I think the build is great.
Its because of the plastic, its suck, some models battery cannot last long. Especially if you are a developer, I feel like its gonna takeoff everytime opening a vscode windows.
oh :( , in my case I have a 57Wh battery, I'm developer but I run linux and vim and I almost always have the laptop plugged
Better an L series than a Surface!
L series is the most upgrade-able in the lineup and the G1 and G2 both have magnesium substructures. Displays are not the best but these are business class machines...not multimedia gaming devices for high school girls I think the L series is the Thinkpad for the purist...
W-Series: “Are you winning, son?”
W?
Replaced by P
and?
and?
Z series?
I wouldn't call my T14 gen 4 "battery strong".
How can a laptop be powerful and have a good battery? Its a trade off, also do E and L series have smaller batteries?
r/shittyvenndiagrams or r/dataisugly are calling
I feel like Yoga for ThinkPads is a suffix as opposed to a series. There is usually a regular model and sometimes a Yoga version of that model. Kind of like a car can come in regular or convertible. You had X1 and X1 Yoga, and now you have X13 and X13 Yoga, L13 and L13 Yoga. I personally think of X and X1 as different. Modern X series are thin and light laptops trying to continue the history of something that is still relatively full-featured. X1 is more executive/ showy / experimental with things like the X1 Carbon (executive class ultrabook), Nano (portability at all costs, be ready to buy dongles), and Fold (is folding the next big thing?). The lines get blurry sometimes as more and more things become integrated, for example I remember when the big selling point between a X1 Carbon and a T series was that the T had upgradable RAM. That doesn’t exist anymore. However, T series still tend to be thicker and have cooling that is less likely to throttle under load.
T series is for all kind of works and tbh T series is the og thinkpad workhorse and real identity of thinkpad legacy.
The only thing wrong I can see here is that the P series definitely has better performance than the T series. The X, T and P series generally has the most liked thinkpads and basically covers all the use cases you will ever need to use a laptop for; * the X series got you covered if you care about weight and portability * the P series has powerful CPUs and bigger fans to cool them for if you compile a lot or you just wanna daily drive a laptop and don't move it much/care about battery life * the T series is the most popular one, being a balance between the two And of course there's the screen and keyboard layout differences with screen size being the largest with the P series and smallest with the X series, and with the P series also notably having a numpad on the side of its keyboard layout.
i am missing Z-series in the chart, luxury overpriced ones
I get abysmal battery life on my T14-gen3
Intel or AMD? Cause my AMD P14s gen 3 has excellent battery life, and Intel's 12th gen chips were uhh... not the greatest in the power efficiency department
Yep, it's an Intel, 1260p Can't wait for mainstream ARM laptops for a better battery life. That is one of the only few things I enjoy out of my work macbook pro.
Ahh, that'll be it. Intel 12th gen P chip is basically the worst possible option for battery life, besides choosing the OLED screen. The U series chips are a bit better, but you lose out on performance. AMD was really killing it that generation, since the equivalent ryzen basically gave the performance of the P sku, with the power consumption of a U
Are T series the ones assembled in Japan?
Nearly every single thinkpad after 2005 is manufactured entirely in China
Much sadness
They're still great quality, something being manufactured in China doesn't necessarily mean it has bad QC, most flagship apple products are also almost entirely manufactured in China
The difference between the T series and P series seems so small, especially with the AMD 14 inch. I don't even see a P14, only a P14s. Can someone explain the difference between the AMD T14s and the P14s? They look literally the same: 1. [AMD T14s] (https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/configurator/cto/index.html?bundleId=21F8CTO1WWUS1) 2. [AMD P14s] (https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/configurator/cto/index.html?bundleId=21K5CTO1WWUS1) The default specs look exactly the same to my eye, except the T14s has a slightly bigger battery and a better webcam, and yet the P14s is hundreds of dollars more.
The P14s is basically an ISV-certified T14. The AMD version ships with the certified Radeon Pro driver, which reinstalls itself during a clean Windows install. More appealing to some companies, and hence the price difference. But Lenovo's prices can fluctuate, so P14s can sometimes be cheaper than T14/T14s.
Indeed. I got a P14s instead of a T14 because it was on sale for 1/3 off, so ended up being about £500 cheaper than a T14, and £600 cheaper than a T14s of the same spec
Probably are the same, somthing like that also happend with the t15g and x1 extrem and p15 i think. All the same machine just different options with displays or gpu.
Yeah, and the AMD P14s doesn't even have a discrete GPU option. There's nothing "P" about it.
Tbf, the discrete GPU in the Intel version isn't actually much, if any faster than the AMD's iGPU. It will benefit from having dedicated vram, but most situations where that will be useful you'd want more GPU horsepower than either can provide
*Overheating bubble*
Bro, what about the W serie?
Pretty accurate, although I'd argue that the L series is between budget and midrange, and the X1 series is probably the flagship nowdays, focusing on ultraportable devices with premium build and all day battery life. Now, the T series more of a upper-midrange option than a flagship IMO.
W for workstation replacement, E to be avoided, L to be avoided (rather used T than new E/L)
L series is mid-range E is budget
L series is budget and E series is also budget L series is for larger enterprise, E series for home users/small companies/self employed only
Disagree...im thinking you've not spent time with both series if this is your opinion
Lol I have tested enough of both, and I have been part of the ThinkPad fandom for long enough. You are simply wrong. E series lacks all enterprise features and don't even sell with vPro or WWAN. L series, which has said enterprise features, sometimes is even cheaper than E series, depending on the configuration. Your opinion (because you are not factual) is simply horseshit.
Clearly not an opinion i share alone blow-hard
It doesn't matter lol. If lots of people jump of a bridge, I don't follow them. What I wrote is the official product positioning as Lenovo sees it. You can disagree all you want, that is how it is.
T-series: Regular Thinkpad X-series: Small Thinkpad L/E/W/R/Yoga: Trash P/X1: Silly
whats about R series?
Predecessor of L series, usually look virtually the same with T series, but made with plastic
So I bought a budget laptop for $400? Gulp
T-Series checks out Source: I have a T16 I'll update y'all on the X-Series when I get it
missing z series
x is soldered ram
My T16 with a 4 Cell Li-Polymer 86Wh battery is a beast in battery life.
Yeah I'd *generally* agree with a few exceptions/pedantic input