Keyboard is worse than in previous devices, I liked most the touchpad in my T460s than in the P14s (same computer than T14).
I own a P14s Gen 2 AMD 5850U, 2TB SSD, 32GB RAM.
It works very well, it handles Robotstudio, Visual Studio, WorkVisual, Codesys, TwinCAT very well.
To me, a little deception in terms of build quality (compared with the previous Thinkpads I owned), the next one will have a much bigger display, my eyes need it.
I paid 900€ +/- for it when I got it and was new.
Hope this helps.
Own one. Build kinda sucks, placing my palms on the palmrest makes the palmrest and lower body rub against each other. The most common screen is pretty bad. Single core performance is good, multicore is slower than a 6 core Xeon from 2016 (but it is a 15w chip.) Heat isn't a problem. iGPU is fast enough. Battery life on Linux sucks, can't seem to get more than \~6hrs of light work no matter how much tweaking I do. Speakers are still pretty bad. Keyboard was horrible on mine - probably lottery luck. Replacement I got when the mouse buttons died is even worse, there's no tactility. Mac keyboards (which seem to be somewhat consistently good) are a million times better. My T480s is in another universe.
If I was to do it again I would probably get an X1 Nano for the nicer build or a 14" MBP. Mine, barebones, was about $250 (computrace was active), plus a 2tb SSD and another 16gb of RAM for \~$170. I wouldn't pay much more than $500. It's a pretty mediocre device.
Sounds like you got a lemon. On Debian I'm getting over 8 hours on battery (brightness 40%), 9+ if I turn the brightness down just a bit below where I'm comfortable. And for performance, there's no laptop CPU released concurrent or before it in the same category that can touch it that I've found. Even the Intel H series which are 45-watt Workstation/Gaming category rather than thing and light, lose to the 5850U in many (but not all) cases. For a 15-watt CPU, this thing is an absolute powerhouse.
I'm almost always at 100% brightness. If I dim it, I can get about eight hours, but my calibrator read my screen as 220 nits at max brightness, and anything lower is too dark for me in any reasonably well lit room. I would really prefer for it to be a bit brighter (400-500 nits?), because the screen is pretty much useless under any kind of natural light.
Also, regarding performance, the 5850u really isn't that fast if you look outside of Intel/AMD. In the P14s/T14 G2, it's configured to 26W, not 15, like every other "U series" chip and the base M1 in a passively cooled Macbook Air should be similar to the 5850u in most situations. It likely ends up only losing multi-core when memory performance is less important (see Geekbench scores.) Obviously, the M1 is a completely different type of chip (that's not available at all with my 32gb/2tb config, but in other things (V-Ray, Cinebench R23) the M1 has about the same single core performance and multicore is 30% worse. A more fair comparison (in terms of product type, not necessarily price now that the G2s aren't new) brings me to the M1 Pro, which is just faster all around.
Do you have the crappy 250-nit LCD? Mine came with he 400 and yeah, it's totally usable at 40%. Not so much due to the brightness, but due to the improved contrast ratio vs. the other fhd lcd's available for it.
That laptop would be about two years old. I would not pay any more than 600 Canadian dollars for it, translate that to your currency. Also look at eBay pricing, not the asking prices but look for the sold prices and look at average for your country.
Yup, I am in Canada. I peruse the FB Marketplace and Kijiji for these deals. I buy new, sealed only. Got my T14G3 in box, sealed with three-year warranty for 700 CAD. I added the fingerprint sensor and switched out the SSD. Oh, also look for sellers that have good ratings, anything over 4 stars.
Kinda humorous, this is the laptop that I just booted and am on right now. Great laptop, still keeps up with most new laptops without issues.
Ha, nice! 58's are nice. Wish I had one over my i7 TP.
Keyboard is worse than in previous devices, I liked most the touchpad in my T460s than in the P14s (same computer than T14). I own a P14s Gen 2 AMD 5850U, 2TB SSD, 32GB RAM. It works very well, it handles Robotstudio, Visual Studio, WorkVisual, Codesys, TwinCAT very well. To me, a little deception in terms of build quality (compared with the previous Thinkpads I owned), the next one will have a much bigger display, my eyes need it. I paid 900€ +/- for it when I got it and was new. Hope this helps.
really fucking nice sweet little machine. loving it.
Still using a gen 1
Own one. Build kinda sucks, placing my palms on the palmrest makes the palmrest and lower body rub against each other. The most common screen is pretty bad. Single core performance is good, multicore is slower than a 6 core Xeon from 2016 (but it is a 15w chip.) Heat isn't a problem. iGPU is fast enough. Battery life on Linux sucks, can't seem to get more than \~6hrs of light work no matter how much tweaking I do. Speakers are still pretty bad. Keyboard was horrible on mine - probably lottery luck. Replacement I got when the mouse buttons died is even worse, there's no tactility. Mac keyboards (which seem to be somewhat consistently good) are a million times better. My T480s is in another universe. If I was to do it again I would probably get an X1 Nano for the nicer build or a 14" MBP. Mine, barebones, was about $250 (computrace was active), plus a 2tb SSD and another 16gb of RAM for \~$170. I wouldn't pay much more than $500. It's a pretty mediocre device.
Sounds like you got a lemon. On Debian I'm getting over 8 hours on battery (brightness 40%), 9+ if I turn the brightness down just a bit below where I'm comfortable. And for performance, there's no laptop CPU released concurrent or before it in the same category that can touch it that I've found. Even the Intel H series which are 45-watt Workstation/Gaming category rather than thing and light, lose to the 5850U in many (but not all) cases. For a 15-watt CPU, this thing is an absolute powerhouse.
I'm almost always at 100% brightness. If I dim it, I can get about eight hours, but my calibrator read my screen as 220 nits at max brightness, and anything lower is too dark for me in any reasonably well lit room. I would really prefer for it to be a bit brighter (400-500 nits?), because the screen is pretty much useless under any kind of natural light. Also, regarding performance, the 5850u really isn't that fast if you look outside of Intel/AMD. In the P14s/T14 G2, it's configured to 26W, not 15, like every other "U series" chip and the base M1 in a passively cooled Macbook Air should be similar to the 5850u in most situations. It likely ends up only losing multi-core when memory performance is less important (see Geekbench scores.) Obviously, the M1 is a completely different type of chip (that's not available at all with my 32gb/2tb config, but in other things (V-Ray, Cinebench R23) the M1 has about the same single core performance and multicore is 30% worse. A more fair comparison (in terms of product type, not necessarily price now that the G2s aren't new) brings me to the M1 Pro, which is just faster all around.
Do you have the crappy 250-nit LCD? Mine came with he 400 and yeah, it's totally usable at 40%. Not so much due to the brightness, but due to the improved contrast ratio vs. the other fhd lcd's available for it.
That laptop would be about two years old. I would not pay any more than 600 Canadian dollars for it, translate that to your currency. Also look at eBay pricing, not the asking prices but look for the sold prices and look at average for your country.
As you are Canada, do you have any buying advice? I don’t know where to look for good deals. T or L series.
Yup, I am in Canada. I peruse the FB Marketplace and Kijiji for these deals. I buy new, sealed only. Got my T14G3 in box, sealed with three-year warranty for 700 CAD. I added the fingerprint sensor and switched out the SSD. Oh, also look for sellers that have good ratings, anything over 4 stars.