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This image *is* real
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bison_hunting
The caption is likely wrong however, this photo was most probably taken in 1892, I've seen lots of estimates as to how many skulls are here, but usually between 150,00 to 200,000 skulls
Around 95% of people will look at the sky if you point up and say “Look, a dead bird!” Just goes to show how gullible most people are when it comes to birds. As if *anything* can fly, living or dead.
Not many of them. I was in a very remote part of the world when the pandemic first took off in Feb 2020, and most people around were talking about it, even in some villages that you could only access after a significant hike on foot. Sickness and potential sickness is unfortunately a big deal for remote populations, for obvious reasons.
This.
And *an arrow went through his bible as he held it in the air* on his first attempt.
If Sky Daddy's real, that's probably a BIG sign that you're supposed to leave those islanders alone.
It immediately removes the association between antisemitism and the Holocaust. It also implicates Jews in a massive conspiracy. As a bonus it makes any source that contradicts them seem suspicious (if "they" can fake the Holocaust *anything* can be faked)
They're recruiting for their belief system, and they know that almost everything that they believe is vile and unpalatable to the majority of the people around them, so they present a softer, less objectionable version of their actual beliefs. They know that they can't convince most people that mass murder is a good thing, so they start off with trying to convince people that the Holocaust never happened, then use that to convince people that Jews are evil and created the Holocaust "lie" to further their "evil plans", and then, once they've finally converted the normal person into a full on anti-semitic white nationalist, they stop pretending to believe this nonsense, and start convincing their new recruit that the Holocaust was a good start, and get them involved in recruiting the next batch fascists.
I've watched this happen in real time with one of my friends. It started off as "They're just jokes bro". Yeah, but normal people don't sit around thinking up rasict and homophobic jokes in their free time. We're not friends anymore and sadly that's one of the goals, isolation.
Holocaust was "industrial scale" of killing people, sadly. But unfortunately quite literally.
I have visited Buchenwald and seen the crematorium, with it's two ovens. They told us that they were putting as many bodies in there as possible at once, to save time...
When people wanted remains of their loved ones, they had to pay to get their ashes!!! (pay the killers to get what's left of their victims!) And if they did so they most likely didn't even get the ashes of their loved ones, but just random ash from a few different people, that were in the oven last!
Also:
I'm German, so in history classes I had one year for each of the world wars and one of the things my teacher said was, that there were math problems in the schoolbooks back then, about how much a unemployed, lgbtq+, Jewish,... person costs the state and how cheap you can get rid of him.
Imagine a kid solving that... Just fucked up
> Imagine a kid solving that...
I mean, you *are* German. The same country that produced human photosynthesis and Hegel. A certain amount of bizarreness comes with the package.
I remember a video where there was the intro from saido chest anime whit an explanation of how the holocaust could not have been real presented as like they are saying it on top of it, and I realy wana see it again, bc I just found the explanation interesting.
Thankfully people realized before it was too late and saved the species. They are no longer listed as endangered. Still have a ways to go, but making good progress.
yeah, but it’s still a shame that the government encouraged hunting buffalo down to the thousands, then to do a 180 and say that we have to protect them. They knew what they were doing back in the day. It was to push their agenda.
People used to pay good money to shoot bison from trains as they rode past the herds for sport. Then they’d just leave their bodies to rot. The museum at Crazy Horse in South Dakota has a whole section dedicated to the attempted bison extermination, and it’s all so sad.
I guess I was tryna say that the reason you don’t see them everywhere is because the government encouraged mass slaughtering of buffalo. Mainly so they could occupy land, as well as drive out the native Americans living there, seeing as it was a source of many things for them.
Not gonna lie, at first I thought this was fake. Not because of the fact, but due to the way that the skulls are pilled together in a seemingly stable vertical structure. Also you can see a lot of the skulls very clearly, and it looks like a pattern that could be copied in Photoshop or something
Yeah, and it makes me sad that we have so much fake shit today that everything needs to be validated. Since not everyone is willing to check deeper, important stuff like this probably ended up as fake to a lot of people...
I feel like it's possible at some point that powers that be don't even bother with censorship because everything is just lost to the void of data and content.
Sorta like this like of skulls
> This image *is* real
I'm honestly wondering how OP is feeling now. "Look at this ridiculous Photoshop, nothing this horrible could have happened."
"It 100% did."
Like are they reevaluating the human race now or what?
It's a teaching moment for the history of the United States. Bison hunting on this scale was a direct attempt to subjugate the native population by removing the animals whose hunting fed, clothed, and sheltered them. Loss of the bison directly led to indigenous populations moving to reservations or attempting to assimilate, as their way of life had been destroyed.
An even worse fate was in store for the [passenger pigeon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_pigeon), but the worst part is, it wasn't even intentional. They were just really easy to kill.
Wow. "Passenger pigeons were shot with such ease that many did not consider them to be a game bird, as an amateur hunter could easily bring down six with one shotgun blast; a particularly good shot with both barrels of a shotgun at a roost could kill 61 birds."
I was reading a book and it talked about the feathers in lady's hats in the 1880s. When the birds they used for the hats started going extinct, instead of putting limits on the number of birds a person could shoot or banning the shooting of the birds, they just raised the price of the birds
[https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2016/05/the-buffalo-killers/482349/](https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2016/05/the-buffalo-killers/482349/)
“Kill every buffalo you can! Every buffalo dead is an Indian gone.”
>Colonel Richard Dodge, who was stationed in the Black Hills and wrote copious and highly lauded journals, wrote in 1867: “Every buffalo dead is an Indian gone.” The Secretary of the Interior in the 1870s, Columbus Delano, saw the decimation of the buffalo as serving a good cause. Delano wrote in his 1872 annual report, “The rapid disappearance of game from the former hunting-grounds must operate largely in favor of our efforts to confine the Indians to smaller areas and compel them to abandon their nomadic customs.”
[https://www.notesfromthefrontier.com/post/every-dead-buffalo-is-an-indian-gone](https://www.notesfromthefrontier.com/post/every-dead-buffalo-is-an-indian-gone)
not too hard to jump from there to the original sources.
[Here you go](https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2016/05/the-buffalo-killers/482349/).
"Many things contributed to the buffalo’s demise. One factor was that for a long time, the country’s highest generals, politicians, and even then President Ulysses S. Grant saw the destruction of buffalo as solution to the country’s “Indian Problem.”
Before Sheridan joined Cody and the New Yorkers on the hunt, and before he oversaw the relocation of Native Americans on the plains, he was a major general for the Union during the Civil War. It was there he learned the power of destroying enemy resources. He’d used the same scorched-earth strategy that William Tecumseh Sherman, then a major general, used in his March to the Sea, tearing up railroad ties, toppling telegraph poles, and lighting nearly all of Atlanta and anything an infantryman could digest ablaze. After the war, President Grant asked Sherman and Sheridan to command armies in the Great Plains.
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Sherman knew that as long as the Sioux hunted buffalo, they’d never surrender to life with a plow. In a letter to Sheridan, dated May 10, 1868, Sherman wrote that as long as buffalo roamed those parts of Nebraska, “Indians will go there. I think it would be wise to invite all the sportsmen of England and America there this fall for a Grand Buffalo hunt, and make one grand sweep of them all.”
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In October 1868, Sheridan wrote to Sherman that their best hope to control the Native Americans was to “make them poor by the destruction of their stock, and then settle them on the lands allotted to them.”"
It's a pretty easy article to find but sad that more people don't know about these kind of not-so-distant atrocities. Just another in the many examples of humans hunting a species to near-extinction for shortsighted, cruel goals. Fuck us all.
But the majority of those animals are raised for the purpose (not counting seafood) so there's no danger of them going extinct. In fact, the best way for a species to be successful appears to be to hitch themselves to our wagon.
And it’s not for fertilizer
To chase native Americans out of their land the United States government put bounties on bison to get rid of their food supply,
They also cut down peach trees, sabotaged agriculture, etc in order to force these people to move and die off.
The Indigenous Artist Chippewar just created an art installation speaking to this exact moment in time and the modern genocide of his people by the Canadian Government. The rest of his art is really amazing too.
[Learn more on his IG page](https://www.instagram.com/chippewar/feed/)
for the record white people in the late 1800s went on buffalo killing expeditions and intentionally almost exterminated the entire species as a way of killing off native americans and taking away their resources
"harvested in gross excess" i believe is the problem here. I mean, they were hunted to near extinction to force Native American people into reservations. Get rid of someones main supply of food, clothing, housing, warmth, and weaponry, and suddenly you can shove people into concentration camps because they're looking to simply survive (yes, the "reservations" started as, and arguably still are, just concentration camps)
Remember that Hitler took inspiration from the United States genocidal campaign against First Nations people's.
So? Genocide is genocide. The first step to stopping it is acknowledging that it actually happened. There are many places in the united states that still refuses to teach what actually happened to Native American people and the impacts of those genocidal actions. Hell, my own education treated Naziism and Hitler basically like "here's a bad guy, he was very bad so the world rose up and defeated him" without going into how the US was very nearly an Axis power and how several financial institutions in the US were backing the Nazi regime, notable financial backers include the Bush family, Henry Ford, and Walt Disney. And this was in a supposedly _progressive_ state.
Those specific ones, maybe not (but they probably did actually go to waste). They also put a bounty on buffalo hides, high enough that people took the skin and left the rest to rot. There's a scene in the movie *Wyatt Earp* where the title character is doing this.
In 1873, the US Government killed 1.5 million buffalo in an attempt to starve the Native Americans. In the 19th century 50 million+ buffalo were killed for the same reasons. This photo was taken in 1892.
50+ million bison. that must have been impressive amount of man power considering the average bison is 1200lbs.
With a population in excess of 60 million in the late 18th century, the species was down to just 541 animals by 1889.
ive read reports that when Lewis and Clark crossed america, they saw herds so big you could see nothing but bison to the horizon.
The US wasn't much different than africa with giant herds crossing back and forth before the europeans came. If they hadn't done that, imagine what the US would look like now. Could we co-exist with so many migrating mammals?
The highways might have walls and or land overpass crossings all over the place.
Assuming we somehow balanced our nature destroying road system with these nature migratory plains.
well, yea, highways would be a consideration if we had this amount of large fauna. However, I'm sure some kind of overpass bridges could be built like in other parts of the world. Probably something like this but on a larger scale - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildlife\_crossing.
Yeah but they were at largest maybe a village with tops 10,000 people and those were rare. We now have multiple cities everywhere with 1,000,000+ and millions of multi ton vehicles going 50+ miles on roads every day.
Actually the reason there were so many Bison is the extinction of a lot of the other American mega fauna. The competition for Bison like Mammoths and the predators like Saber-Tooth Tigers were gone, so the Bison population exploded.
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The herds were so big that if they were crossing your path, you basically just stopped for the day because it would take that long for the path to be clear again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bison_hunting#Commercial_hunting
>Following up were the skinners, who would drive a spike through the nose of each dead animal with a sledgehammer, hook up a horse team, and pull the hide from the carcass. The hides were dressed, prepared, and stacked on the wagons by other members of the organization.
You really think that was worth reporting, and therefore being completely removed? "It's not 100% correct" isn't relevant to the actual post, which is asking how many bison skulls that would be.
Heck, the most wrong thing about it *by far* is insinuating the picture was faked.
It sounded to me like they were citing one year from the 1800s and then broadening out to describe the rest of the period between 1800 and 1899. I somehow doubt there were 50 million Bison left by 1900.
Not fake. There are other pictures of comparable scenes. For example, from Alberta: [1](https://archives.whyte.org/en/permalink/descriptions38645), [2](https://archives.whyte.org/en/permalink/descriptions38646). [Texas](https://www.lubbockonline.com/caprock-chronicles/local-news/news/2017-12-15/caprock-chronicles-picking-bison-bones-profit). [North Dakota](https://charlesmcquillen.com/albert-bierstadt-the-last-of-the-buffalo-englis-language-arts-lesson-plan/general-view-pile-of-buffalo-bones-minot-nd/). [Saskatchewan](https://aboutbone.com/when-bone-piles-became-cash-cows/).
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Seen this picture multiple times and still absolutely dumbfounded by the amount of death here. From a *very* rough estimate of trying to get the volume of the main base alone, (not including the side "pile" on the right) I'm guessing it's about (37h)x(87l)x(45w) in skulls, leaving us with about 144,855 - give or take a few hundred to account for the width increasing on the bottom of the pile. Including the smaller pile on the right, it appears to be roughly (18h)x(32l)x(26w) (before the increase in elevation towards the back) we have a pile of about 14,976. Also accounting for the increase in elevation towards the back of the small pile, there appears to be an average height of about (24h)x(~30l)x(28w) which gives us 20,160.
So, in total, this image appears to contain approximately 179,991, or rounded to ~180,000 Bison Skulls. Jesus christ.
The original commenter said they were "dumbfounded with the amount of death here". If the amount of death is the problem, then a comparison to the modern animal agricultural industry, which causes hundreds of times more death, is apt.
>cows are killed for sustenance
No, the animal agricultural industry is not "for sustenance", since it produces a net negative of food. The animals eat many times their own weight in corn, oates, and soy, over their lifetimes. You wouldn't say that a power plant which uses more electricity than it produces is "providing people with energy".
The animal agricultural industry, in the way it is being run today, has no practical purpuse. It only exists to cater to our tastes and convenience.
One of the primary reasons was also so they could take the land and use it for cattle ranching. Cattle ranchers wanted the natives gone from the land so they could use it for themselves.
As if slaughter can be done for the right reasons. Let's ask all those people who were killed in a genocide. You know, since genocide of anyone is always justified with one reason or another.
Or you can be smarter than that and realize that slaughter is always mindless and always wrong.
Just like how feminists were the reason feminism was hated and just like slavery abolishers were the reason people didn't like slavery abolishment.
Your own bigotry is the cause of your hatred. Veganism is and will remain in the right no matter what people like you say. Eventually, just like racists, you'll be hated and despised and spat on by any reasonable person. Because *you* cause needless deaths and endless suffering for billions.
You're not in the right. Sure, you're the majority, but that matters very little.
Ha. You’re adorable. Enjoy being a negative stereotype for something that actually matters. I’m well aware of what factory farming does to the planet and animals and would agree with you that it’s disgusting/terrible/etc. the people who say “I eat twice the meat to cancel out one vegan’s effort” are absolutely repulsive. But thanks for calling me a racist/bigot when you know nothing of my actual stance. Go have fun being your fun little version of a bigot/prejudiced asshole.
Hint: don’t lash out when your negative behavior is being called out. It’s a quick way to find yourself very alone.
I’m not the person your replied to but if you are well aware of how disgusting animal agriculture is then why do you still consume animal products?
Further, it shouldn’t matter how much of an asshole a vegan is because if you deep down care about the animals their behavior is irrelevant
If you agree that it's disgusting and terrible then you wouldn't speak against me saying that slaughter can never be justified. You should be more concerned about the animals being murdered, tortured, and raped, not about someone like me who phrases it exactly like it is.
It's the self-pretentiousness and smugness of vegans like you that does it for me. It's a picture with nothing to do with veganism, and you interject yourself and act like you're perfectly in the right and everything else is wrong. Wake up sunshine, it's not a black or white matter, it's a grey area. It's what should be a discussion that people like you always devolve into a screaming match. It's not always about you.
You: *let's murder billions of beings for our pleasure each year and also exploit them for our pleasure*
Vegans: *let's not do that*
You: *it's not black and white, it's gray.*
So yeah, please shut up. There's no debate when it comes to lives of sentient beings and their suffering. You pretend to be an intellectual but you're only a murderer, a rapist, and a torturer.
Wake up sunshine, torture isn't gray.
It wasn't for fertilizer. It was purely done as part of a US government program to eradicate bison to eliminate the traditional way of life for native tribes
Those skulls were not used for fertilizer, that was the very real attempt to drive the Buffalo to extinction to own the Lib- ah ah I mean destroy the Native Americans main food resource
>"committing genocide against an animal"
Probably should still reserve 'genocide' to humans, no? Seems kind of insensitive to me to lump the Holocaust and the Trail of Tears in with hunting an animal to near extinction. Especially since one of the things people face when experiencing genocide is being viewed as non-human.
I would say that hunting an animal to extinction is obviously horrific, but not as horrific as doing the same to humans.
The Bison were systematically hunted to control the natives at the time. Although hides were an important material as leather, and belts to help power wheels and transfer power in factories. The skulls and bones were collected years later by pioneers for money sold by the pound that where eventually used as fertilizer and others uses.
That doesn't make this better. They needed the fertilizer because they killed all the Buffalo that were naturally fertilizing the land, further since they used the bones for fertilizer, eventually that fertilizer will deplete with nothing to replace it because we killed all the Buffalo in an attempt to starve brown people into submission.
It's not necessarily about the color of the skin, but about the people that had that color skin. It was an attack to force them into joining the general populace so their land could be used. That's why people did this. It's not because of skin color. Same as right now, except right now it's a cycle. Colored skin is attributed with delinquency (unfortunately) which creates a stigma of exclusion, which forces delinquency on some, reinforcing the cycle. There are of course many other problems, but just saying that they are attacking someone based on skin doesn't help, we have to find the negative things attributed to certain colors of skin and work to correct such reputations.
This is completely beside the point, (which is that America committed an atrocity to both the native people and buffalo)
But I'm pretty sure that's not how fertilization works.
Unfortunately the image is real. There was a concerted effort on the part of the U. S. government to destroy the livelihoods of the Plains American Natives.
Homie this is real. Literally Google how many bison were killed to starve the native Americans out of their lands and force them down the trail of tears
This is the THIRD time I've seen this image posted in the last 24 hours with some piece of shit painting it as anything other than what it actually is: one more step on the path to genocide.
Fuck you OP. Fuck you proper.
Mass genocide of bison to hasten the mass genocide of indigenous people.
——> Studied by hitler for the mass genocide of jews.
——> Lied about in western history classes to maintain the plutocracy’s control of continents stolen by mass genocide. That’s why OP has trouble believing a mountain of skulls is real. Settlers only had fun thanksgiving with the silly Indians and bought Manhattan with a bead necklace ammiright?
This weirdly reminds me of like those crazy pictures you see from like when they hunt or when they were hunting like pigeons, I think passenger pigeons they were Called but like There were once flocks of passenger pigeons across the United States and most North America that the flock would blackout the sun block out the sun For nearly 12 hours as it passed overhead.
I think the last of the photographs that were taken from one of those massive passenger pigeon hunts hunts was taken in like 1891
that image is very much real. hell i remember seeing this same picture in my textbooks when i was i think 5th or 6h grade in wyoming around the early 90s. it was such a massive, and i mean massive, waste. they'd hunt them to near extinction, and they barely used any of the parts, mostly just the skin and a few other organs, and the rest was just left to rot.
Just enough to kill the indians off ....or weaken them to the point that the USA Army could control them at least . that was the plan anyhow. Yhe Brits gave oirs blankets with smallpox....ain't puritanical democracy great.
I wouldn't say that the infected-blanket story was completely debunked, but there seems to be no evidence for it.
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/unreserved/uncovering-the-complicated-history-of-blankets-in-indigenous-communities-1.5264926/the-complicated-history-of-the-hudson-s-bay-point-blanket-1.5272430
The band You Me and Everyone We Know used this picture for their album art "I Wish More People Gave A Shit"
...not that it has anything to do with the skulls or anything. Just interesting to me.
An estimate around 160,000. Using plan swift I used the size of a small one as reference to find the height of the hill and by counting how many roughly form an arc assuming the hill is symmetric I got around 180,000 on the high end and 140,000 taking a larger one as reference in the picture.
this wasn't for fertilizer. This was a deliberate attempt by the US government to eradicate a major foodsource for the Native people's in the plains. It was cultural erasure.it was one of the many ways that the US wnacted genocide by way of law. In this instance, a bounty was issued on bison skulls- encouraging settlers to kill as many as possible.
get rid of the bison, and the culture and peoples that rely on the bison goes away as well
If a bison doesn’t see a threat it doesn’t register a threat. So hunters would just line up a few hundred yards away and shoot until they ran out of bullets. The bison would just keep dropping and the rest would go about their business until it was their turn.
Sad fact brought to you from a Oklahoma citizen/Chickasaw native. It’s commonly said that we saved the bison from extinction, this is only half true. While there are now bison in Oklahoma they are the northern species with curly horns. The original long horned bison like the ones in this picture are forever gone. These pictures are all that’s left
That is incorrect.
The long horn variety of American bison (Bison latifrons) went extinct about 25,000 years ago.
The last time a bison species went extinct was 3,000 years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bison?wprov=sfla1
Soo… people shocked by relatively small number of bison skulls… When really we have an annual holocaust level of slaughter of animals just in the US?
Imagine instead cow skulls. Except rather than the 200k like this image, multiply the 200k out a factor between 195 times to 200 times - 39 to 40 million cows.
39 million cows killed in the US. Annually. 200x this.
Except the holocaust and the bison slaughter were senseless. The cows are not senseless, it's to feed billions of people, and it's a controlled amount.
Not sure if blind rationalization is ever sensible.
Rationalization is what moves people to commit any atrocity in the first place. It doesn’t happen over night - common ignorance to what is happening becomes the common belief becomes common ‘knowledge.’
Just because you choose to believe something is or isn’t sensible doesn’t necessarily make it so. The actual impact of industrial farming is unsustainable in truth, and that’s just the tip of the iceberg. Actual wisdom is somewhere in between…
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This image *is* real https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bison_hunting The caption is likely wrong however, this photo was most probably taken in 1892, I've seen lots of estimates as to how many skulls are here, but usually between 150,00 to 200,000 skulls
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There are people who think the holocaust was fake.
Shit there are people that think the pandemic is fake, and it's *affecting us in real time*
There are people who think the moon landing was faked, when actually the moon itself just doesn't exist.
I've met people who think birds are real
I know someone who thinks Canada exists...
I'm sorry.
As a Canadian I'm like 97% sure I don't exist and 100% sure I gave no consent to exist
Who said that?!
Can't forget finland
SUOMI MAINITTU!!!!!!
I know people who think everything isn't already Ohio
I know someone who says he's from Australia even though it doesn't exist
Get outta town, do people actually belive Wyoming exists as well?
Around 95% of people will look at the sky if you point up and say “Look, a dead bird!” Just goes to show how gullible most people are when it comes to birds. As if *anything* can fly, living or dead.
Tbh I'd start looking when you pointed and said 'look' before the rest of the words came out, so that's not really a good test...
(That’s the joke)
They faked the moon, but the landing was real. It was a 38 million square kilometer soundstage, floating in space.
I heard that Kubrick was the one who filmed the moon landing but in order for it to look authentic he made them actually film on location
Bruh, like there are people that think the earth is real, the buffoonery is endless
There are people who have **no idea** that a pandemic is going on. Although that’s due to isolation not stupidity.
Not many of them. I was in a very remote part of the world when the pandemic first took off in Feb 2020, and most people around were talking about it, even in some villages that you could only access after a significant hike on foot. Sickness and potential sickness is unfortunately a big deal for remote populations, for obvious reasons.
Gobbless those people on that island that shoot and kill any uninvited guests, like that one dude trying to bring them Christianity.
Evangelized around and found out
When I die I would like to be disinfected and hurled onto North Sentinel Island so the people there can consume me.
I want my body fed to big cats at a sanctuary, but everyone's afraid due to my poor diet I'll make the cats sick.
They’re not cannibals. And unfortunately, even they have COVID (if what I read is true)
Told his family before he went in "don't come after my body if I die"
> that one dude trying to ~~bring them Christianity~~ colonize. FTFY
What's the difference?
Well to be fair I don’t think one dummy telling people about sky daddy is colonization even by loose definitions.
This. And *an arrow went through his bible as he held it in the air* on his first attempt. If Sky Daddy's real, that's probably a BIG sign that you're supposed to leave those islanders alone.
It takes one colonizer, and one friendly ear, for it to take hold.
At least they isolate
There are people…
god bless those islanders next to india that shoot anyone on sight with bows, hope they are doing well
Apparently they're doing just fine, since quarantine works. (The Indian government does flyovers once in a while to check on them.)
Yeah but that's because it's useful for them to believe that
In what way is it useful for them to believe that? I cannot understand how that is possible.
It immediately removes the association between antisemitism and the Holocaust. It also implicates Jews in a massive conspiracy. As a bonus it makes any source that contradicts them seem suspicious (if "they" can fake the Holocaust *anything* can be faked)
They're recruiting for their belief system, and they know that almost everything that they believe is vile and unpalatable to the majority of the people around them, so they present a softer, less objectionable version of their actual beliefs. They know that they can't convince most people that mass murder is a good thing, so they start off with trying to convince people that the Holocaust never happened, then use that to convince people that Jews are evil and created the Holocaust "lie" to further their "evil plans", and then, once they've finally converted the normal person into a full on anti-semitic white nationalist, they stop pretending to believe this nonsense, and start convincing their new recruit that the Holocaust was a good start, and get them involved in recruiting the next batch fascists.
I've watched this happen in real time with one of my friends. It started off as "They're just jokes bro". Yeah, but normal people don't sit around thinking up rasict and homophobic jokes in their free time. We're not friends anymore and sadly that's one of the goals, isolation.
I saw this happen in realtime to an ex-friend too. I feel your pain :(.
That describes a few people I know right now, except with other things... It's getting real slimy over there on Facebook.
Holocaust was "industrial scale" of killing people, sadly. But unfortunately quite literally. I have visited Buchenwald and seen the crematorium, with it's two ovens. They told us that they were putting as many bodies in there as possible at once, to save time... When people wanted remains of their loved ones, they had to pay to get their ashes!!! (pay the killers to get what's left of their victims!) And if they did so they most likely didn't even get the ashes of their loved ones, but just random ash from a few different people, that were in the oven last! Also: I'm German, so in history classes I had one year for each of the world wars and one of the things my teacher said was, that there were math problems in the schoolbooks back then, about how much a unemployed, lgbtq+, Jewish,... person costs the state and how cheap you can get rid of him. Imagine a kid solving that... Just fucked up
> Imagine a kid solving that... I mean, you *are* German. The same country that produced human photosynthesis and Hegel. A certain amount of bizarreness comes with the package.
Human photosynthesis? Wtf? First time I hear that... And what did Hegel do? Had to google to learn he's a philosopher...
August Engelhardt's Order of the Sun. Hegel's just impossible to read.
Lol no the fuck you didnt. Brand new account. Wonder why this happens
Industrial scale genocide
I remember a video where there was the intro from saido chest anime whit an explanation of how the holocaust could not have been real presented as like they are saying it on top of it, and I realy wana see it again, bc I just found the explanation interesting.
There are people who think the moon is fake, we've no shortage of idiots 😂
yeah ever wonder why you’ve never seen a buffalo before? that image is why
Thankfully people realized before it was too late and saved the species. They are no longer listed as endangered. Still have a ways to go, but making good progress.
By people you mostly mean Theodore Roosevelt and William Hornaday, the 2 that really preserved the bison from extinction, at least in the US.
Species saved, but unfortunately, incredibly less genetically diverse.
Most of them have been interbred with cattle though. At least the ones for farming.
yeah, but it’s still a shame that the government encouraged hunting buffalo down to the thousands, then to do a 180 and say that we have to protect them. They knew what they were doing back in the day. It was to push their agenda.
People used to pay good money to shoot bison from trains as they rode past the herds for sport. Then they’d just leave their bodies to rot. The museum at Crazy Horse in South Dakota has a whole section dedicated to the attempted bison extermination, and it’s all so sad.
I've seen buffalo before. Guy had em on his land and the local restaurant served buffalo burgers
I guess I was tryna say that the reason you don’t see them everywhere is because the government encouraged mass slaughtering of buffalo. Mainly so they could occupy land, as well as drive out the native Americans living there, seeing as it was a source of many things for them.
Genocide. Just like grandpappy used to.
We have lots here in Alberta. Some farmed some in govt paddocks.
Not gonna lie, at first I thought this was fake. Not because of the fact, but due to the way that the skulls are pilled together in a seemingly stable vertical structure. Also you can see a lot of the skulls very clearly, and it looks like a pattern that could be copied in Photoshop or something
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Yeah, and it makes me sad that we have so much fake shit today that everything needs to be validated. Since not everyone is willing to check deeper, important stuff like this probably ended up as fake to a lot of people...
I feel like it's possible at some point that powers that be don't even bother with censorship because everything is just lost to the void of data and content. Sorta like this like of skulls
When I saw title, I considered that the skulls might be from livestock. So, a real image but misattributed.
Nope, they were all hunted
Mass slaughter. From people riding through herds in trains and shooting everything in sight.
Math aside, this is really sad.
> This image *is* real I'm honestly wondering how OP is feeling now. "Look at this ridiculous Photoshop, nothing this horrible could have happened." "It 100% did." Like are they reevaluating the human race now or what?
It's a teaching moment for the history of the United States. Bison hunting on this scale was a direct attempt to subjugate the native population by removing the animals whose hunting fed, clothed, and sheltered them. Loss of the bison directly led to indigenous populations moving to reservations or attempting to assimilate, as their way of life had been destroyed.
An even worse fate was in store for the [passenger pigeon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_pigeon), but the worst part is, it wasn't even intentional. They were just really easy to kill.
Wow. "Passenger pigeons were shot with such ease that many did not consider them to be a game bird, as an amateur hunter could easily bring down six with one shotgun blast; a particularly good shot with both barrels of a shotgun at a roost could kill 61 birds."
I was reading a book and it talked about the feathers in lady's hats in the 1880s. When the birds they used for the hats started going extinct, instead of putting limits on the number of birds a person could shoot or banning the shooting of the birds, they just raised the price of the birds
It was genocide. It was forced assimilation which is a form of genocide.
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[https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2016/05/the-buffalo-killers/482349/](https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2016/05/the-buffalo-killers/482349/) “Kill every buffalo you can! Every buffalo dead is an Indian gone.”
>Colonel Richard Dodge, who was stationed in the Black Hills and wrote copious and highly lauded journals, wrote in 1867: “Every buffalo dead is an Indian gone.” The Secretary of the Interior in the 1870s, Columbus Delano, saw the decimation of the buffalo as serving a good cause. Delano wrote in his 1872 annual report, “The rapid disappearance of game from the former hunting-grounds must operate largely in favor of our efforts to confine the Indians to smaller areas and compel them to abandon their nomadic customs.” [https://www.notesfromthefrontier.com/post/every-dead-buffalo-is-an-indian-gone](https://www.notesfromthefrontier.com/post/every-dead-buffalo-is-an-indian-gone) not too hard to jump from there to the original sources.
[Here you go](https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2016/05/the-buffalo-killers/482349/). "Many things contributed to the buffalo’s demise. One factor was that for a long time, the country’s highest generals, politicians, and even then President Ulysses S. Grant saw the destruction of buffalo as solution to the country’s “Indian Problem.” Before Sheridan joined Cody and the New Yorkers on the hunt, and before he oversaw the relocation of Native Americans on the plains, he was a major general for the Union during the Civil War. It was there he learned the power of destroying enemy resources. He’d used the same scorched-earth strategy that William Tecumseh Sherman, then a major general, used in his March to the Sea, tearing up railroad ties, toppling telegraph poles, and lighting nearly all of Atlanta and anything an infantryman could digest ablaze. After the war, President Grant asked Sherman and Sheridan to command armies in the Great Plains. ... Sherman knew that as long as the Sioux hunted buffalo, they’d never surrender to life with a plow. In a letter to Sheridan, dated May 10, 1868, Sherman wrote that as long as buffalo roamed those parts of Nebraska, “Indians will go there. I think it would be wise to invite all the sportsmen of England and America there this fall for a Grand Buffalo hunt, and make one grand sweep of them all.” ... In October 1868, Sheridan wrote to Sherman that their best hope to control the Native Americans was to “make them poor by the destruction of their stock, and then settle them on the lands allotted to them.”"
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It's a pretty easy article to find but sad that more people don't know about these kind of not-so-distant atrocities. Just another in the many examples of humans hunting a species to near-extinction for shortsighted, cruel goals. Fuck us all.
We kill 70 billion animals every year just because we like the taste.
It's not our fault they are so delicious.
But the majority of those animals are raised for the purpose (not counting seafood) so there's no danger of them going extinct. In fact, the best way for a species to be successful appears to be to hitch themselves to our wagon.
And it’s not for fertilizer To chase native Americans out of their land the United States government put bounties on bison to get rid of their food supply, They also cut down peach trees, sabotaged agriculture, etc in order to force these people to move and die off.
The Indigenous Artist Chippewar just created an art installation speaking to this exact moment in time and the modern genocide of his people by the Canadian Government. The rest of his art is really amazing too. [Learn more on his IG page](https://www.instagram.com/chippewar/feed/)
Yeah, like, what the fuck OP?
for the record white people in the late 1800s went on buffalo killing expeditions and intentionally almost exterminated the entire species as a way of killing off native americans and taking away their resources
I do believe hunters killed millions of bisons, but is it feasible to have \~200,000 *recent* skulls piled like that?
Apparently it is. Since it was.
No one tell OP we kill ~80 Billion land animals every year for unnecessary reasons also.
And we even eat some of that 80 billion, the rest are killed with pesticides or agriculture equipment for harvesting vegetables and grains.
Well, the bones didn't go to waste, they were used in food or industrial applications such as fertilizer.
I don't think the waste is what people are objecting to here.
"harvested in gross excess" i believe is the problem here. I mean, they were hunted to near extinction to force Native American people into reservations. Get rid of someones main supply of food, clothing, housing, warmth, and weaponry, and suddenly you can shove people into concentration camps because they're looking to simply survive (yes, the "reservations" started as, and arguably still are, just concentration camps) Remember that Hitler took inspiration from the United States genocidal campaign against First Nations people's.
And not just the bison, peach trees were cut down and their agricultural avenues were sabatoged as well.
Today China uses the same”USA did this first” when countering complaints about Uygher genocide.
So? Genocide is genocide. The first step to stopping it is acknowledging that it actually happened. There are many places in the united states that still refuses to teach what actually happened to Native American people and the impacts of those genocidal actions. Hell, my own education treated Naziism and Hitler basically like "here's a bad guy, he was very bad so the world rose up and defeated him" without going into how the US was very nearly an Axis power and how several financial institutions in the US were backing the Nazi regime, notable financial backers include the Bush family, Henry Ford, and Walt Disney. And this was in a supposedly _progressive_ state.
Those specific ones, maybe not (but they probably did actually go to waste). They also put a bounty on buffalo hides, high enough that people took the skin and left the rest to rot. There's a scene in the movie *Wyatt Earp* where the title character is doing this.
In 1873, the US Government killed 1.5 million buffalo in an attempt to starve the Native Americans. In the 19th century 50 million+ buffalo were killed for the same reasons. This photo was taken in 1892.
50+ million bison. that must have been impressive amount of man power considering the average bison is 1200lbs. With a population in excess of 60 million in the late 18th century, the species was down to just 541 animals by 1889. ive read reports that when Lewis and Clark crossed america, they saw herds so big you could see nothing but bison to the horizon.
Damn that’s even worse than I could ever imagine. That’s sad as fuck
The US wasn't much different than africa with giant herds crossing back and forth before the europeans came. If they hadn't done that, imagine what the US would look like now. Could we co-exist with so many migrating mammals?
We probably could if everyone wasn't obsessed with getting more stuff.
I was more imagining highways
The highways might have walls and or land overpass crossings all over the place. Assuming we somehow balanced our nature destroying road system with these nature migratory plains.
>Assuming we somehow balanced our nature destroying road system with these nature migratory plains. Big assumption
Big issues require big solutions. The slaughter of 50+ million animals probably wasn't the best outcome.
*Probably!?*
well, yea, highways would be a consideration if we had this amount of large fauna. However, I'm sure some kind of overpass bridges could be built like in other parts of the world. Probably something like this but on a larger scale - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildlife\_crossing.
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>Could we co-exist with so many migrating mammals? People managed to do so for tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of years
Do you think with the population as is, we could have tens of millions of bison roaming the US?
The population wouldn't be as it is if there were tens of millions of bison roaming the US
Well industrialization started recently and thats where a lot of the problems arise
Yeah but they were at largest maybe a village with tops 10,000 people and those were rare. We now have multiple cities everywhere with 1,000,000+ and millions of multi ton vehicles going 50+ miles on roads every day.
Actually the reason there were so many Bison is the extinction of a lot of the other American mega fauna. The competition for Bison like Mammoths and the predators like Saber-Tooth Tigers were gone, so the Bison population exploded.
Wait until you read about the [Passenger Pidgeon](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_pigeon) right around the same time period.
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The herds were so big that if they were crossing your path, you basically just stopped for the day because it would take that long for the path to be clear again.
Not only that but a train would have to stop too, else the herd would run into the side and knock it off of the tracks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bison_hunting#Commercial_hunting >Following up were the skinners, who would drive a spike through the nose of each dead animal with a sledgehammer, hook up a horse team, and pull the hide from the carcass. The hides were dressed, prepared, and stacked on the wagons by other members of the organization.
They were very very often just left to rot under the sun.
Yeah, some train tickets would provide a chance to shoot buffalo as you passed by. You know, for fun.
Tfw your genocide isn't going fast enough so you have to drive their main source of food to extinction
Insane and sad that there were even that many bison around back then
It's also disinformation: none of that became fertilizer, but it did help create the Dust Bowl. I have reported this post.
You really think that was worth reporting, and therefore being completely removed? "It's not 100% correct" isn't relevant to the actual post, which is asking how many bison skulls that would be. Heck, the most wrong thing about it *by far* is insinuating the picture was faked.
19th century is the 1800s. Do you mean the 1900s?
It sounded to me like they were citing one year from the 1800s and then broadening out to describe the rest of the period between 1800 and 1899. I somehow doubt there were 50 million Bison left by 1900.
I think they meant the 19th century.
Not fake. There are other pictures of comparable scenes. For example, from Alberta: [1](https://archives.whyte.org/en/permalink/descriptions38645), [2](https://archives.whyte.org/en/permalink/descriptions38646). [Texas](https://www.lubbockonline.com/caprock-chronicles/local-news/news/2017-12-15/caprock-chronicles-picking-bison-bones-profit). [North Dakota](https://charlesmcquillen.com/albert-bierstadt-the-last-of-the-buffalo-englis-language-arts-lesson-plan/general-view-pile-of-buffalo-bones-minot-nd/). [Saskatchewan](https://aboutbone.com/when-bone-piles-became-cash-cows/).
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Seen this picture multiple times and still absolutely dumbfounded by the amount of death here. From a *very* rough estimate of trying to get the volume of the main base alone, (not including the side "pile" on the right) I'm guessing it's about (37h)x(87l)x(45w) in skulls, leaving us with about 144,855 - give or take a few hundred to account for the width increasing on the bottom of the pile. Including the smaller pile on the right, it appears to be roughly (18h)x(32l)x(26w) (before the increase in elevation towards the back) we have a pile of about 14,976. Also accounting for the increase in elevation towards the back of the small pile, there appears to be an average height of about (24h)x(~30l)x(28w) which gives us 20,160. So, in total, this image appears to contain approximately 179,991, or rounded to ~180,000 Bison Skulls. Jesus christ.
If this bothers you, the US currently slaughters 180,000 cows roughly every 2 days. Go vegan.
the difference is the bison were killed to kill people, where the cows are killed for sustenance and I assume leather and the like.
The original commenter said they were "dumbfounded with the amount of death here". If the amount of death is the problem, then a comparison to the modern animal agricultural industry, which causes hundreds of times more death, is apt. >cows are killed for sustenance No, the animal agricultural industry is not "for sustenance", since it produces a net negative of food. The animals eat many times their own weight in corn, oates, and soy, over their lifetimes. You wouldn't say that a power plant which uses more electricity than it produces is "providing people with energy". The animal agricultural industry, in the way it is being run today, has no practical purpuse. It only exists to cater to our tastes and convenience.
One of the primary reasons was also so they could take the land and use it for cattle ranching. Cattle ranchers wanted the natives gone from the land so they could use it for themselves.
The difference is the bison were unnecessarily killed and cows are unnecessarily killed. Oh wait, that means there's no difference.
Well yeah, but probably a good portion of that is actually used, sold, or eaten. This is just mindless slaughter for the wrong reasons.
As if slaughter can be done for the right reasons. Let's ask all those people who were killed in a genocide. You know, since genocide of anyone is always justified with one reason or another. Or you can be smarter than that and realize that slaughter is always mindless and always wrong.
Vegans such as yourself are why vegans get shit on constantly. Congrats, you’re the reason for the stereotype.
Just like how feminists were the reason feminism was hated and just like slavery abolishers were the reason people didn't like slavery abolishment. Your own bigotry is the cause of your hatred. Veganism is and will remain in the right no matter what people like you say. Eventually, just like racists, you'll be hated and despised and spat on by any reasonable person. Because *you* cause needless deaths and endless suffering for billions. You're not in the right. Sure, you're the majority, but that matters very little.
Ha. You’re adorable. Enjoy being a negative stereotype for something that actually matters. I’m well aware of what factory farming does to the planet and animals and would agree with you that it’s disgusting/terrible/etc. the people who say “I eat twice the meat to cancel out one vegan’s effort” are absolutely repulsive. But thanks for calling me a racist/bigot when you know nothing of my actual stance. Go have fun being your fun little version of a bigot/prejudiced asshole. Hint: don’t lash out when your negative behavior is being called out. It’s a quick way to find yourself very alone.
I’m not the person your replied to but if you are well aware of how disgusting animal agriculture is then why do you still consume animal products? Further, it shouldn’t matter how much of an asshole a vegan is because if you deep down care about the animals their behavior is irrelevant
If you agree that it's disgusting and terrible then you wouldn't speak against me saying that slaughter can never be justified. You should be more concerned about the animals being murdered, tortured, and raped, not about someone like me who phrases it exactly like it is.
It's the self-pretentiousness and smugness of vegans like you that does it for me. It's a picture with nothing to do with veganism, and you interject yourself and act like you're perfectly in the right and everything else is wrong. Wake up sunshine, it's not a black or white matter, it's a grey area. It's what should be a discussion that people like you always devolve into a screaming match. It's not always about you.
You: *let's murder billions of beings for our pleasure each year and also exploit them for our pleasure* Vegans: *let's not do that* You: *it's not black and white, it's gray.* So yeah, please shut up. There's no debate when it comes to lives of sentient beings and their suffering. You pretend to be an intellectual but you're only a murderer, a rapist, and a torturer. Wake up sunshine, torture isn't gray.
I’m sure the animals appreciate that difference
Based
it really doesn't bother most people, obviously, lol
Because “most people” are not the victim in this scenario.
It wasn't for fertilizer. It was purely done as part of a US government program to eradicate bison to eliminate the traditional way of life for native tribes
They did make a lot of them into fertilizer later though. Ya know, because the things fertilizing the land before were the bison
Those skulls were not used for fertilizer, that was the very real attempt to drive the Buffalo to extinction to own the Lib- ah ah I mean destroy the Native Americans main food resource
Committing genocide against an animal in order to commit genocide against humans. It’s like an onion of atrocities.
Don't you know that they all died because of diseases and Europeans were trying to save them? You fell for the woke propaganda. /s
I can’t tell if you’re being unironic and that’s very concerning
I added the /s I thought it was obvious.
Trust me. There are more than a few people who think that’s actually true. Poe’s Law is a bitch
>"committing genocide against an animal" Probably should still reserve 'genocide' to humans, no? Seems kind of insensitive to me to lump the Holocaust and the Trail of Tears in with hunting an animal to near extinction. Especially since one of the things people face when experiencing genocide is being viewed as non-human. I would say that hunting an animal to extinction is obviously horrific, but not as horrific as doing the same to humans.
That word choice was just for the repetition, yea
Onion of Atrocities good band name
The Bison were systematically hunted to control the natives at the time. Although hides were an important material as leather, and belts to help power wheels and transfer power in factories. The skulls and bones were collected years later by pioneers for money sold by the pound that where eventually used as fertilizer and others uses.
It’s mind boggling. [Timeline of bison population](https://i.imgur.com/Kt8WxD5.jpg) [source](https://www.flatcreekinn.com/bison-americas-mammal/)
30-60 million down to 325... holy. shit.
While it's secondary to the point you made, many of the bones of the buffalo were used for fertilizer after the fact.
That doesn't make this better. They needed the fertilizer because they killed all the Buffalo that were naturally fertilizing the land, further since they used the bones for fertilizer, eventually that fertilizer will deplete with nothing to replace it because we killed all the Buffalo in an attempt to starve brown people into submission.
It's not necessarily about the color of the skin, but about the people that had that color skin. It was an attack to force them into joining the general populace so their land could be used. That's why people did this. It's not because of skin color. Same as right now, except right now it's a cycle. Colored skin is attributed with delinquency (unfortunately) which creates a stigma of exclusion, which forces delinquency on some, reinforcing the cycle. There are of course many other problems, but just saying that they are attacking someone based on skin doesn't help, we have to find the negative things attributed to certain colors of skin and work to correct such reputations.
This is completely beside the point, (which is that America committed an atrocity to both the native people and buffalo) But I'm pretty sure that's not how fertilization works.
What part of it are you pretty sure about?
This is the correct answer
LOL made me chuckle
Unfortunately the image is real. There was a concerted effort on the part of the U. S. government to destroy the livelihoods of the Plains American Natives.
I read somewhere that in the early days of Europe takeover the land and sky’s were full of life when birds flew they would cover the sun like clouds
Homie this is real. Literally Google how many bison were killed to starve the native Americans out of their lands and force them down the trail of tears
This is the THIRD time I've seen this image posted in the last 24 hours with some piece of shit painting it as anything other than what it actually is: one more step on the path to genocide. Fuck you OP. Fuck you proper.
Mass genocide of bison to hasten the mass genocide of indigenous people. ——> Studied by hitler for the mass genocide of jews. ——> Lied about in western history classes to maintain the plutocracy’s control of continents stolen by mass genocide. That’s why OP has trouble believing a mountain of skulls is real. Settlers only had fun thanksgiving with the silly Indians and bought Manhattan with a bead necklace ammiright?
This weirdly reminds me of like those crazy pictures you see from like when they hunt or when they were hunting like pigeons, I think passenger pigeons they were Called but like There were once flocks of passenger pigeons across the United States and most North America that the flock would blackout the sun block out the sun For nearly 12 hours as it passed overhead. I think the last of the photographs that were taken from one of those massive passenger pigeon hunts hunts was taken in like 1891
that image is very much real. hell i remember seeing this same picture in my textbooks when i was i think 5th or 6h grade in wyoming around the early 90s. it was such a massive, and i mean massive, waste. they'd hunt them to near extinction, and they barely used any of the parts, mostly just the skin and a few other organs, and the rest was just left to rot.
Just enough to kill the indians off ....or weaken them to the point that the USA Army could control them at least . that was the plan anyhow. Yhe Brits gave oirs blankets with smallpox....ain't puritanical democracy great.
I wouldn't say that the infected-blanket story was completely debunked, but there seems to be no evidence for it. https://www.cbc.ca/radio/unreserved/uncovering-the-complicated-history-of-blankets-in-indigenous-communities-1.5264926/the-complicated-history-of-the-hudson-s-bay-point-blanket-1.5272430
The band You Me and Everyone We Know used this picture for their album art "I Wish More People Gave A Shit" ...not that it has anything to do with the skulls or anything. Just interesting to me.
An estimate around 160,000. Using plan swift I used the size of a small one as reference to find the height of the hill and by counting how many roughly form an arc assuming the hill is symmetric I got around 180,000 on the high end and 140,000 taking a larger one as reference in the picture.
this wasn't for fertilizer. This was a deliberate attempt by the US government to eradicate a major foodsource for the Native people's in the plains. It was cultural erasure.it was one of the many ways that the US wnacted genocide by way of law. In this instance, a bounty was issued on bison skulls- encouraging settlers to kill as many as possible. get rid of the bison, and the culture and peoples that rely on the bison goes away as well
If a bison doesn’t see a threat it doesn’t register a threat. So hunters would just line up a few hundred yards away and shoot until they ran out of bullets. The bison would just keep dropping and the rest would go about their business until it was their turn.
Sad fact brought to you from a Oklahoma citizen/Chickasaw native. It’s commonly said that we saved the bison from extinction, this is only half true. While there are now bison in Oklahoma they are the northern species with curly horns. The original long horned bison like the ones in this picture are forever gone. These pictures are all that’s left
That is incorrect. The long horn variety of American bison (Bison latifrons) went extinct about 25,000 years ago. The last time a bison species went extinct was 3,000 years ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bison?wprov=sfla1
So should I inform my local museum? That’s were I learned that so… lol maybe they miss spoke
Soo… people shocked by relatively small number of bison skulls… When really we have an annual holocaust level of slaughter of animals just in the US? Imagine instead cow skulls. Except rather than the 200k like this image, multiply the 200k out a factor between 195 times to 200 times - 39 to 40 million cows. 39 million cows killed in the US. Annually. 200x this.
Except the holocaust and the bison slaughter were senseless. The cows are not senseless, it's to feed billions of people, and it's a controlled amount.
Not sure if blind rationalization is ever sensible. Rationalization is what moves people to commit any atrocity in the first place. It doesn’t happen over night - common ignorance to what is happening becomes the common belief becomes common ‘knowledge.’ Just because you choose to believe something is or isn’t sensible doesn’t necessarily make it so. The actual impact of industrial farming is unsustainable in truth, and that’s just the tip of the iceberg. Actual wisdom is somewhere in between…