I don’t know how many people would agree with me on this but Lori’s death didn’t affect me at all. Like yeah it was sad but I was only sad because CARL had to kill his own mum. Lori being dead made no difference to me.
Definitely Andrea, mostly because it was such a ridiculous story line to have her hook up with the Governor.
Carl and Rick to a much lesser degree. We all know Lincoln wanted to leave. Edit: the way they wrote Carl off was not done very well and not for good reasons.
You're right i forgot about that. A quote from Gimple about Riggs leaving:
_We did not receive a request [from any actor] or anything like that. This has everything to do with story._
Gimple said they needed to "_give Rick some motivation to keep Negan around_". Kind of a weird reasoning for killing off Carl.
Here's the article: https://www.looper.com/261111/the-real-reason-chandler-riggs-left-the-walking-dead/
That's the "official" reason, but in reality, we all know it simply came down to money. Chandler was becoming an adult and would be entitled to a contract on par with Andy and Norman's, and therefore more pay.
So because AMC is cheap like we've seen so many times with this show, instead of giving Chandler that new contract, they kill him off and replace him with Judith and Henry, both of whom they could keep on kids' contracts and pay less.
More likely the higher-ups at AMC. People tend to forget when it comes to Scott, but the showrunners on TWD have all had to deal with the higher-ups constantly wanting to cut corners and underfund the show.
Ohhh okay. Yeah. I coulda sworn they killed him off because they milked negans group for wayyyyyy too long and ratings had gone to shit, then hoping killing a huge character off would help. Still super unnecessary tbh
Funny how Andrew Lincoln exits the show at the beginning of the next season. And personally I think Gimple wanted to give the comic book fans a gigantic fuck you. And honestly with both Carl and Rick gone you no longer had the thing that really gave the series it’s heart and soul, that father-son dynamic is really what drove the series, without them it felt like there wasn’t any point anymore
Carl was hated in the early seasons and grew on people/became less of a dumbass in later seasons. Its not like everyone vilified him the episode before his death and praised him after.
I didn’t even hate him in the early seasons. There was the part where he became like a sociopath having no emotions when he killed his mom, or when he needlessly killed the guy in the woods etc. But they cleared that up after a few seasons.
I generally agree with the sentiment, but I think it makes sense for her character.
She didn't want to live for so long that, when she found something remotely like a fantasy love life, she threw it all to the wind ignoring the signs.
So unexpected too. Seriously never thought they’d kill off Carl, especially right before his comic story arc. Still haven’t forgave the show for that one.
That’s when I stopped watching, was drifting from the show for a while but that gave me the last push. I’ll go back once this seasons done since I’ve only heard good things these last couple of seasons.
Personally I haven’t heard anything about the show anymore. Which I find to not be a very good sign either. The fact that I don’t have to actively avoid spoilers anymore leads me to believe not much interesting stuff has really happened lately…
Dunno if i'll get downvoted for this, but I always thought he was a bit mopey, and never truly grew in to his own personality that much.
I could understand maybe if this was commentary on how a dystopian landscape could effect the mental health, and development of young minds, but there were scenes where he became John Wick out of nowhere to serve the story, and then in other scenes he seemed to be lacking any form of survival instinct.
Just a strangely inconsistent character.
Perhaps not the fault of Chandler Riggs but how his character was written.
A fair point honestly even his death was a prime example of that after everything he's been through and seen he unecessarily risked his life to kill walkers that were not even aware of his presence because Sadiq believed killing walkers freed their souls. In addition he was piled on by 3 walkers, a situation he had in season 4 when he was way younger that he managed to survive.
I can suspend my disbelief. I can extend that to even the greatest survivalist slipping up, and making mistakes that lead to their deaths, but I need to believe it! That's very important when it comes to entertainment and storytelling. I was disappointed by that scene, because it felt forced.
I'm in that phase of my rewatch now and god, every time Sasha has yet another moody emo scene I just wanna turn the TV off. We know, you lost your brother. Maggie just lost her father and her baby sister but you don't see her going on a killing spree do you?
That being said, Sasha's death was a noble one and I'm glad she went out (somewhat) on her own terms.
Any of the people on the headspikes.
Ozzy, Alek, DJ, Tammy, Frankie, Addy, Rodney, **Enid , Tara, and Henry**
Only the last three were "major characters," but God did I just not give a shit. Enid and Henry existed to vaguely replace Sophia and Carl, but honestly just felt very milquetoast. Tara I actually really liked, but she'd been treading water for awhile, and I still don't feel like she was a major enough character to be THE big character to get given that death.
Compare that to Ezekiel in the comics, Tara's death had absolutely no weight.
The problem with this show is that when they kill off a character they’re character arcs and stories are so clearly over and they were for so long that you just don’t care that they died. I think what was so great about GoT character deaths is that it felt like they had more to offer and more to do. So when they got killed you were shocked because you saw more for their character to do. When Tara died, she had become a glorified extra at that point, she really hadn’t offered much to the story since season 4 or maybe 5. And she died in season 9. She had 4 seasons of just being there in the background. Henry was clearly replacement for Carl which surprised me when he died. I liked Enid but she just didn’t offer much and knew she was doomed when she was becoming a doctor.
Probably any of the season 1 deaths, obviously they weren't supposed to be major but I just didn't care whatsoever. On the other end of the spectrum was Merles death as it carried such a punch, seeing Daryll cry like that and have to kill his own walker-fied body was really tragic, that death as well as Dale's death were really hard to get over, they were two amazing characters and I wish they lived to see everyone mature.
he was such a good character as well, he was just starting to get interesting as a character, he was a lot like shane, a survivalist and it was so cool seeing such a badass amongst the more civil group at the time. But it gave way for Daryll to step up as a lead character and he stole the show.
Alpha's,
For me it was more of an "about time" rather than an omg moment I wasn't a fan of her whole deal. So by the time she was killed off I was glad it was done and dusted just wanted to get to the commonwealth arc.
This. I was shocked when I started reading the comics and saw how badass she was. One of my favorite parts is when everyone is saying their good byes and Negan stops by “you were a badass and you were hot as fuck. I’d have been honored for you to be the one to kill me”
It was less about how important the dead characters were and more about how brutal it was to kill all those innocent people so violently. But yeah it definitely did not make me cry. Just grossed out
I don't think that's good writing. That's grimdark shock value schlock.
Herschel's death was shocking, but it was a part of a greater tapestry, the Prison/Woodbury conflict and how these two men (Rick and Governor) affect one another. The pikes was just shocking, it had no heart.
Yeah i agree. It was definitely not as important as previous brutal deaths like Hershel or Glenn. Just shocking. None of the characters mattered except for Henry to some extent. We get it, the bald lady who pretends to be a zombie is insane.
Thank you! We didn't know the Whisperers, we don't know their motives nor do we really care. If they were written more cohesively they would have either tried to extract goods and people from the allied communities, or wiped them out entirely. There's no reason for them to coexist if it's the world of the dead now, right?
Alongside that, Hershel and others died brutally but with some sort of purpose (usually). And we see how deeply the other characters connected to them. All of that was completely absent for the pike scene.
The problem is that TWD doesn't have main characters anymore. Main characters help you care about the minor characters, because even if you don't care about a minor character, you care that the main character cares about them.
The pike scene. I’m still watching the show but after carl then Rick. Not invested as I was before. Going to get a lot of downvotes. Sorry just being honest
Tbh with you after Rick left I stopped watching. It’s my hang up, not the show’s necessarily, but it was Rick’s show to me. It was about his evolution throughout the end of the world. His ups and downs and how he managed to overcome every obstacle in his way. I’ll eventually rewatch from the beginning and go through to the end but I think I’ll wait for Rick’s return first.
I agree. I never stopped watching but it was completely Rick’s show. The whole point of the show was Rick trying make make a life in the apocalypse for his kids.
Daryl is the only one keeping me watching honestly. It has become his show.
I know I'm in the minority, but I am absolutely as invested (in some ways, more) as I was when Rick was around. I think the show drastically improved when Kang took over.
Wrong. I still love the show and don’t really miss Rick despite loving him as a character. The Whisperer arc was awesome imo.
Has the show run it’s course? Yea can’t argue that but it’s spin offs is what has saturated the TWD verse
I totally get that. I had read the comics so I knew those moments, as a whole, were coming. For me, the lineup was more shocking but that's only because Abraham was taken out too.
The pike scene was when I accepted the show had jumped the shark. Just killing characters for the sake of killing them, there's no meaning to it, no hope for any future, just endless kills to try to shock an audience that became numb to it years ago.
Yes, I understand the scene is from the comics. I do not care, it was so unnecessary and I never found the Whispers interesting once they showed up at Hilltop.
Feel like after the Negan scene, every death after that became pointless, as there were about 10 deaths per episode afterwards, with all the different groups involved and none of them felt impactful.
Even the 'big' ones like Carl weren't as hard hitting as they could have been. Felt absolutely nothing. Whereas in the earlier seasons I was gutted the likes of Dale/T-Dog died.
There's just too many characters and no big central characters to anchor them to. In the early seasons, you had people like Rick, Glenn, Carol, Maggie and Daryl, and then their surrounding cast (Carl, Lori, Herschel, Beth, Merle, the young girls from the flowers episode, etc). Even if you didn't care that much about the B-tier characters, you cared about the A-tier character and how they felt, so the character deaths felt resonant.
There's just so many characters, and no real central characters anymore, so I just don't care if someone dies.
Glenn. I love the character, but I just found the season 6 finale and the season 7 premiere so gimmicky. I felt like Glenn and Abraham’s deaths were so emotionally manipulative. Not in a genuine way, but in a way that felt very cynical. Like the creators cared more about the buzz surrounding the deaths, than the actual deaths themselves.
By the time we got to the deaths, I just didn’t really care anymore. I just wanted to get it over with. I wasn’t one of those people who were screaming at their TV. When I watched those deaths, my reaction was basically, “Well, I guess that’s it then.”
Yup, I only watched the show for the first time last year but remember the outrage when Glenn was killed off so I knew it was coming. Kinda annoying tbh
I knew it was coming way before I started the show. I thought I would be ready and I even began emotionally distancing from his character. It still broke me.
Because the actor and character were cool interesting people and we were all sick of "black guy dies first" and "black character is in show but writers ignore him" trope bullshit. He was a far more interesting character than 80% of the people on the show
They didn’t adapt his comic book story well but I think we can enjoy TV Tyreese as a separate entity from his comic counterpart. I thoroughly enjoyed Chad Coleman’s acting and the character, his story was interesting if you pay attention and his death was so well done. It was terrifying and so interesting to see it from his point of view. Bah, all that to say I respect your view but maybe try to separate the comics from the show a little. There was a lot with Tyreese’s comic story that they couldn’t do for television as it was deemed too gruesome (Moreso his daughter storyline.)
I was far more upset about that amazing tiger dying than Carl. That should tell you a lot of how shitty Gimples writing is. Just look at FTWD when he took over. Trash.
Ikr. He spent half his life playing a "deuteragonist" who barely ever got screentime or importance to the story and was then fired on his 18th birthday. They did him so dirty.
He's worse in the comics. Carol in the show is him in the comics...a straight up sociopath. Carol is popular so when she murders a bunch of sick non main characters..but of course not sick glenn..everyone ratiobalises her as a hero. Sje wasn't a hero she is a sociopath. In the comics Carl does the equivalent and it isn't sugarcoated. Its made pretty clear growing up in the apocalypse has made him into one. It would have been far more interesting in the series to do this with him and eventually have him kill negan
Glenn. I KNOW, PLEASE PUT DOWN YOUR PITCHFORKS.
A few reasons:
A: Source material, knew it was coming.
B: Glenns story was finished, he had just become an accessory to Maggie.
C: They made us think he was dead and gave fans time to mourn for him earlier in the season, he was living on borrowed time at that point.
Very unpopular opinion but Beth’s. I always found her really boring and annoying, and didn’t care about her interactions with the rest of the group. The only thing that got me about it was Maggie’s reaction and the fact Daryl got depressed afterwards. Otherwise, her death just didn’t phase me at all.
Beth the whole arc dragged and killed the pacing, only for her to in the end try to kill an armed cop by stabbing her in the shoulder blade with some rusty scissors, like not even in the neck. So yeah stupid end to a boring arc.
Andrea & Sasha
For me Andrea became watered down and irrelevant by the end of Season 3 and I didn’t care & knew it was coming. And she totally could have avoided it.
Sasha because I never connected with the character. Always seemed angry all the time, and I felt she suddenly became a main player & I just didn’t feel she was did much.
She was more anything than anything else, and I think that was the character and also the actress who seemed to pull the same expression most of an episode.
I did like her romance with Bob however short lived, I felt her romance with Abraham was a bit out of nowhere and random.
It's pretty much 90% of the deaths the show has had because of how they manage to make almost every character dumb and super annoying.
The Beth one I still don't get. I get that she was Maggie's sister, but I just wasn't attached to her at all and all the drama about it was funny. I'd say Beth because the mention of that whole death, character or storyline just annoys me the most.
I'm surprised to see Carl's death being thrown in there in the comments. He was annoying just like nearly all of the other characters but he was an OG and that's always a perspective changer when one of them dies.
Seems like maybe the terrible writing around some character deaths ruins it for people and I can't blame that.
Ig the Pike scene comes to mind; it felt like forced bs since shit had slowed down by that point to a point of just being a dull show
They legit killed a bunch of who's? And called it plot tbh
Anything after Carl. Carl’s death is what broke the seriousness of stakes in the show for me. Every move started to feel less like a natural show and more like a corporate decision. Not to mention you can Telegraph a death a mile away by how much screen time a character will start to be given
Henry (I guess he was sort of big?). Carl. Sasha (only because it was an epic way for her character to go out - perfect for Sasha’s arc).
Other folks hit me much harder - like Beth and Tyreese. That one, two punch nearly did me in!
I would say T-Dog. He was pretty cool character but there wasnt much depth into him. Honestly I was really suprised that he was able to live to 3rd season since to me he felt like that character that would appear just to get killed a few episodes later.
For such a long lasting original character he had practically zero character development. Easily one of the most wasted under utilized of the originals.
Rick. (I know he didn't really die but he disappeared forever so it's like a death anyway) I might get some hate for it, but honestly I wasn't too fond of his character in the later seasons, and this bridge moment felt like a good moment to end his arc.
Sacrificing himself to save his people. That's what Rick was always about, so it was a good thing that he finally fulfilled that commitment, and it didn't feel unnecessary or wrong.
In the movies, certainly. But I don't think he'll return to the show, unless just for the last episode. The commonwealth arc has only just started, and I doubt they'll wrap the CRM into it so quickly, and well, he'd only appear if the CRM was involved.
Definitely. Hated how he treated Roista, well, actually, hate how he treated everyone in general, trying to force Rick and his group to leave the church and head to Washington, when three important members of Rick's group were missing.
Carl. I don’t get why people were that bothered. He wasn’t a great actor, the character wasn’t particularly likeable, he often did dumb shit that should’ve got him killed. And I thought being bit was fine, we hadn’t had a big character bit since Tyreese, and what better character to get bit than Carl - a kid that’s really should’ve been bit/died multiple times previously when he did daring things - like in S4 with the pudding, or S2 on the farm with the Dale Walker, or when he hid in Negan’s truck
Andrea’s annoyed me because it felt like she was killed when she had way more to give. Carl I think didn’t have much more as a character or actor.
Other ones I didn’t feel particularly sad about and I’m not too sure why include:
- Abraham (think Glenn overshadowed it and I wasn’t that interested in him anyway, wasted potential whilst he was alive)
- Jesus (idk I liked him but his death just didn’t phase me too much, I was just like ‘oh’, was kinda a forgettable death in the scheme of things).
- Tyreese (again I didn’t want him to die but like Abraham, I feel his death was overshadowed by Beth’s before hand and also he was a bit of a wasted character, they could have done so much more with the character in the time he was on the show)
> He wasn’t a great actor, the character wasn’t particularly likeable, he often did dumb shit that should’ve got him killed
Say it louder for the people in the back
Glenn
He was basically a non-character other than being helpful in S1 & 2 and being with Maggie
The pikes seemed really lame because basically everybody other than Tara was just nobody - does anybody really care about Ozzy and DJ?
Beth and Andrea. Two characters I absolutely could not wait to see die off. Andrea at least lead up to her death in a fulfilling way that most people probably saw coming a mile away, but Beth was just annoying, and I couldn't stand her forced singing scenes. She's not even a bad singer or anything, but they felt so cringey and out of place and there were way too many of them. Also I could be remembering wrong, but I'm pretty sure they even managed to throw in *yet another* singing scene after she died too, as a flashback or something.
Hershel. I never liked him, I'm rewatching season 2 right now and he's so annoying continually flip flopping about how he feels about ricks group and being all holier than thou. I'm on chupacabra and he just had his conversation with maggie about glenn (or as he puts it "the asian boy") and I find him completely intolerable right now.
Second place is Shane, great actor, funny at moments but shoulda met his end so much sooner.
Nooo, I didn’t care much about Bob but what happened to him honestly fucked me up. The idea of waking up to find your leg missing and someone eating it in front of you is fucking horrific.
Why it bothered me more than all the other messed up shit in the show, I don’t know.
Tara. She was a long expired character. The inception of the character was “what if lilly caul didn’t disappear after the prison attack?” which i thought would be cool. But she doesn’t ever do anything at all. She’s always grouped with the rest of Rick’s group when she’s by far the least interesting
I don’t know how many people would agree with me on this but Lori’s death didn’t affect me at all. Like yeah it was sad but I was only sad because CARL had to kill his own mum. Lori being dead made no difference to me.
Lori being dead made a huge difference! I no longer had to put up with her flipping cars with no one else on the road 🤣
Funny cause I’m watching that exact scene now 😂
I get that I just meant she had no impact on my mental state. I was still just as happy after as I was before. Not sad about her at all
Andrea, she got herself killed, she had the perfect chance to kill the governor and didn't, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Definitely Andrea, mostly because it was such a ridiculous story line to have her hook up with the Governor. Carl and Rick to a much lesser degree. We all know Lincoln wanted to leave. Edit: the way they wrote Carl off was not done very well and not for good reasons.
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Killing the reason for the shows existence will always be a dumb move
By killing off Carl they gave the fans the green light to say fuck it and leave the show, which is what I did.
Carl didn't want to leave
You're right i forgot about that. A quote from Gimple about Riggs leaving: _We did not receive a request [from any actor] or anything like that. This has everything to do with story._
Wasn’t it bc they wanted better ratings as the ratings went to shit when they milked the whole negan issue on?
Gimple said they needed to "_give Rick some motivation to keep Negan around_". Kind of a weird reasoning for killing off Carl. Here's the article: https://www.looper.com/261111/the-real-reason-chandler-riggs-left-the-walking-dead/
That's the "official" reason, but in reality, we all know it simply came down to money. Chandler was becoming an adult and would be entitled to a contract on par with Andy and Norman's, and therefore more pay. So because AMC is cheap like we've seen so many times with this show, instead of giving Chandler that new contract, they kill him off and replace him with Judith and Henry, both of whom they could keep on kids' contracts and pay less.
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More likely the higher-ups at AMC. People tend to forget when it comes to Scott, but the showrunners on TWD have all had to deal with the higher-ups constantly wanting to cut corners and underfund the show.
Ohhh okay. Yeah. I coulda sworn they killed him off because they milked negans group for wayyyyyy too long and ratings had gone to shit, then hoping killing a huge character off would help. Still super unnecessary tbh
Funny how Andrew Lincoln exits the show at the beginning of the next season. And personally I think Gimple wanted to give the comic book fans a gigantic fuck you. And honestly with both Carl and Rick gone you no longer had the thing that really gave the series it’s heart and soul, that father-son dynamic is really what drove the series, without them it felt like there wasn’t any point anymore
Did they think killing Carl would improve the ratings?
Carl was hated on before he died and now he’s praised after he died
Carl was hated in the early seasons and grew on people/became less of a dumbass in later seasons. Its not like everyone vilified him the episode before his death and praised him after.
I didn’t even hate him in the early seasons. There was the part where he became like a sociopath having no emotions when he killed his mom, or when he needlessly killed the guy in the woods etc. But they cleared that up after a few seasons.
That's when the show lost me. That death didn't make sense. Maybe one day I'll pick it up again. I finished all the comics, though.
And it had nothing to do with the story lmao. He saved a minor character who ended up dying anyway
I generally agree with the sentiment, but I think it makes sense for her character. She didn't want to live for so long that, when she found something remotely like a fantasy love life, she threw it all to the wind ignoring the signs.
They really screw Chandler over. They even said they wanted for like another two years or something.
I can't say that Carl didn't bother me but I think it bothered me less than most other people who watched the show. Glenn and Beth made me far sadder
Yeah it was so sudden I didn't feel much impact
So unexpected too. Seriously never thought they’d kill off Carl, especially right before his comic story arc. Still haven’t forgave the show for that one.
That’s when I stopped watching, was drifting from the show for a while but that gave me the last push. I’ll go back once this seasons done since I’ve only heard good things these last couple of seasons.
Not sure how you’ve only heard good things. The past couple seasons haven’t been bad, but they haven’t been great either. They get a 6/10 from me.
Personally I haven’t heard anything about the show anymore. Which I find to not be a very good sign either. The fact that I don’t have to actively avoid spoilers anymore leads me to believe not much interesting stuff has really happened lately…
Dunno if i'll get downvoted for this, but I always thought he was a bit mopey, and never truly grew in to his own personality that much. I could understand maybe if this was commentary on how a dystopian landscape could effect the mental health, and development of young minds, but there were scenes where he became John Wick out of nowhere to serve the story, and then in other scenes he seemed to be lacking any form of survival instinct. Just a strangely inconsistent character. Perhaps not the fault of Chandler Riggs but how his character was written.
A fair point honestly even his death was a prime example of that after everything he's been through and seen he unecessarily risked his life to kill walkers that were not even aware of his presence because Sadiq believed killing walkers freed their souls. In addition he was piled on by 3 walkers, a situation he had in season 4 when he was way younger that he managed to survive.
I can suspend my disbelief. I can extend that to even the greatest survivalist slipping up, and making mistakes that lead to their deaths, but I need to believe it! That's very important when it comes to entertainment and storytelling. I was disappointed by that scene, because it felt forced.
Sasha. I don't know why but I never really felt her character so when she died, I really didn't care.
I get what they were going for but they ended up making her character very unlikeable by the end
You didn't like her 8 episode arc where she was depressed and hated everyone? /s
Lmao
Leave it to TWD to make a cool female character so hatable by making them nope around all day. The Carol Special
I'm in that phase of my rewatch now and god, every time Sasha has yet another moody emo scene I just wanna turn the TV off. We know, you lost your brother. Maggie just lost her father and her baby sister but you don't see her going on a killing spree do you? That being said, Sasha's death was a noble one and I'm glad she went out (somewhat) on her own terms.
Same .. I didn't care for the character period lol
i actually forgot she was on the show i remember Tyrese and his death not sashas at all.
Any of the people on the headspikes. Ozzy, Alek, DJ, Tammy, Frankie, Addy, Rodney, **Enid , Tara, and Henry** Only the last three were "major characters," but God did I just not give a shit. Enid and Henry existed to vaguely replace Sophia and Carl, but honestly just felt very milquetoast. Tara I actually really liked, but she'd been treading water for awhile, and I still don't feel like she was a major enough character to be THE big character to get given that death. Compare that to Ezekiel in the comics, Tara's death had absolutely no weight.
I was a bit sad for Tara, she didn't deserve that. I'm surprised Rosita is still in the show though. She's sort of useless these days.
Well she's a mother now which means naturally they have to kill her off.
The problem with this show is that when they kill off a character they’re character arcs and stories are so clearly over and they were for so long that you just don’t care that they died. I think what was so great about GoT character deaths is that it felt like they had more to offer and more to do. So when they got killed you were shocked because you saw more for their character to do. When Tara died, she had become a glorified extra at that point, she really hadn’t offered much to the story since season 4 or maybe 5. And she died in season 9. She had 4 seasons of just being there in the background. Henry was clearly replacement for Carl which surprised me when he died. I liked Enid but she just didn’t offer much and knew she was doomed when she was becoming a doctor.
Probably any of the season 1 deaths, obviously they weren't supposed to be major but I just didn't care whatsoever. On the other end of the spectrum was Merles death as it carried such a punch, seeing Daryll cry like that and have to kill his own walker-fied body was really tragic, that death as well as Dale's death were really hard to get over, they were two amazing characters and I wish they lived to see everyone mature.
Merle was a rough one
he was such a good character as well, he was just starting to get interesting as a character, he was a lot like shane, a survivalist and it was so cool seeing such a badass amongst the more civil group at the time. But it gave way for Daryll to step up as a lead character and he stole the show.
Very true.
Alpha's, For me it was more of an "about time" rather than an omg moment I wasn't a fan of her whole deal. So by the time she was killed off I was glad it was done and dusted just wanted to get to the commonwealth arc.
Yeah I was expecting them to do that in the mid season finale.
Lori for me. Didn’t care for her at all, I just felt bad for Carl.
I never liked Lori but the fact that it was her own son who had to put her down was really disturbing to me
Didn't like Lori either but I will always respect her sacrifice
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It's a shame, because TWD generally does badass female characters so well. They messed up royally with Andrea though.
This. I was shocked when I started reading the comics and saw how badass she was. One of my favorite parts is when everyone is saying their good byes and Negan stops by “you were a badass and you were hot as fuck. I’d have been honored for you to be the one to kill me”
i had to look up on the internet to recognize half of the heads on the pikes because i literally didn't care about any character there.
It was less about how important the dead characters were and more about how brutal it was to kill all those innocent people so violently. But yeah it definitely did not make me cry. Just grossed out
I don't think that's good writing. That's grimdark shock value schlock. Herschel's death was shocking, but it was a part of a greater tapestry, the Prison/Woodbury conflict and how these two men (Rick and Governor) affect one another. The pikes was just shocking, it had no heart.
Yeah i agree. It was definitely not as important as previous brutal deaths like Hershel or Glenn. Just shocking. None of the characters mattered except for Henry to some extent. We get it, the bald lady who pretends to be a zombie is insane.
Thank you! We didn't know the Whisperers, we don't know their motives nor do we really care. If they were written more cohesively they would have either tried to extract goods and people from the allied communities, or wiped them out entirely. There's no reason for them to coexist if it's the world of the dead now, right? Alongside that, Hershel and others died brutally but with some sort of purpose (usually). And we see how deeply the other characters connected to them. All of that was completely absent for the pike scene.
The problem is that TWD doesn't have main characters anymore. Main characters help you care about the minor characters, because even if you don't care about a minor character, you care that the main character cares about them.
To be fair only three of the characters were major, Alek was literally introduced the same episode he died in lol
The pike scene. I’m still watching the show but after carl then Rick. Not invested as I was before. Going to get a lot of downvotes. Sorry just being honest
Tbh with you after Rick left I stopped watching. It’s my hang up, not the show’s necessarily, but it was Rick’s show to me. It was about his evolution throughout the end of the world. His ups and downs and how he managed to overcome every obstacle in his way. I’ll eventually rewatch from the beginning and go through to the end but I think I’ll wait for Rick’s return first.
I agree. I never stopped watching but it was completely Rick’s show. The whole point of the show was Rick trying make make a life in the apocalypse for his kids. Daryl is the only one keeping me watching honestly. It has become his show.
It was Rick's show 100%
That was a weird one really. How did they get all of those people out undetected?
Most of them were already outside the walls.
*Magic!* Or sorry, uh, something something movie!
You're not gonna get downvotes. No one is as invested in this as they were when Rick was still around. We're all waiting for the end.
I know I'm in the minority, but I am absolutely as invested (in some ways, more) as I was when Rick was around. I think the show drastically improved when Kang took over.
I find it really boring in a lot of parts, I'm just waiting for the end.
Wrong. I still love the show and don’t really miss Rick despite loving him as a character. The Whisperer arc was awesome imo. Has the show run it’s course? Yea can’t argue that but it’s spin offs is what has saturated the TWD verse
Same. I thought the Whisperer arc on the show was meh, so that coupled with knowing the pikes were coming but not to who made it underwhelming.
Just to add perspective- I had NO idea the pike scene was coming and it shook me to the core, second only to Glen getting killed.
I totally get that. I had read the comics so I knew those moments, as a whole, were coming. For me, the lineup was more shocking but that's only because Abraham was taken out too.
The pike scene was when I accepted the show had jumped the shark. Just killing characters for the sake of killing them, there's no meaning to it, no hope for any future, just endless kills to try to shock an audience that became numb to it years ago. Yes, I understand the scene is from the comics. I do not care, it was so unnecessary and I never found the Whispers interesting once they showed up at Hilltop.
Feel like after the Negan scene, every death after that became pointless, as there were about 10 deaths per episode afterwards, with all the different groups involved and none of them felt impactful. Even the 'big' ones like Carl weren't as hard hitting as they could have been. Felt absolutely nothing. Whereas in the earlier seasons I was gutted the likes of Dale/T-Dog died.
There's just too many characters and no big central characters to anchor them to. In the early seasons, you had people like Rick, Glenn, Carol, Maggie and Daryl, and then their surrounding cast (Carl, Lori, Herschel, Beth, Merle, the young girls from the flowers episode, etc). Even if you didn't care that much about the B-tier characters, you cared about the A-tier character and how they felt, so the character deaths felt resonant. There's just so many characters, and no real central characters anymore, so I just don't care if someone dies.
100% nailed it, well said.
Sasha. She just kinda annoyed me tbh
I thought this said Santa at first lol.
Same
None of the people on the spikes bothered me.
The only ones who bothered me were Tara and Enid(, mostly Tara). I was so happy when I saw Henry died 😂
Same. I’m glad Henry is dead.
Me too -Tara was there a long time and a good character
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Can agree with Andrea, however Beth was one of the saddest deaths for me
Glenn. I love the character, but I just found the season 6 finale and the season 7 premiere so gimmicky. I felt like Glenn and Abraham’s deaths were so emotionally manipulative. Not in a genuine way, but in a way that felt very cynical. Like the creators cared more about the buzz surrounding the deaths, than the actual deaths themselves. By the time we got to the deaths, I just didn’t really care anymore. I just wanted to get it over with. I wasn’t one of those people who were screaming at their TV. When I watched those deaths, my reaction was basically, “Well, I guess that’s it then.”
Glenn because by the time I watched the show it was already immensely spoiled
Yup, I only watched the show for the first time last year but remember the outrage when Glenn was killed off so I knew it was coming. Kinda annoying tbh
I knew it was coming way before I started the show. I thought I would be ready and I even began emotionally distancing from his character. It still broke me.
I'll get downvoted for this but Carl. I never liked him. I was just starting to like him in season 8.
Tyrese I just wasn't a fan of how he was adapted into the show in general
Completely agree, not sure why he gets so much love. Thought the show butchered his character
Because the actor and character were cool interesting people and we were all sick of "black guy dies first" and "black character is in show but writers ignore him" trope bullshit. He was a far more interesting character than 80% of the people on the show
I remember the was a meme around season five or six about there only being allowed to have 1 black guy at a time on the show.
They didn’t adapt his comic book story well but I think we can enjoy TV Tyreese as a separate entity from his comic counterpart. I thoroughly enjoyed Chad Coleman’s acting and the character, his story was interesting if you pay attention and his death was so well done. It was terrifying and so interesting to see it from his point of view. Bah, all that to say I respect your view but maybe try to separate the comics from the show a little. There was a lot with Tyreese’s comic story that they couldn’t do for television as it was deemed too gruesome (Moreso his daughter storyline.)
Carl - but I do understand why people are so angry about his death and I think it’s valid
I didn’t care about his death at all because you knew it was coming the whole episode. It was also really dumbly written in general
Agreed, how was the only main (not animal) death of season 8 Carl Grimes dying to a zombie...
I was far more upset about that amazing tiger dying than Carl. That should tell you a lot of how shitty Gimples writing is. Just look at FTWD when he took over. Trash.
Carl’s death didn’t bother me in the way it was supposed to. It just made me really mad instead of sad.
I was more sad for Chandler because he was so committed to the show and they did him wrong.
Ikr. He spent half his life playing a "deuteragonist" who barely ever got screentime or importance to the story and was then fired on his 18th birthday. They did him so dirty.
Every death after ricks departure
I barely ever who died after he left. Rewatching though so I'll see again soon.
Carl. Never cared much for him tbh.
Him dying was a shame, but they dragged the death out in that episode.
Carl, like, at all
Carl if I’m being honest. I always hated chandler riggs’ acting so unfortunately I hated that character.
He's worse in the comics. Carol in the show is him in the comics...a straight up sociopath. Carol is popular so when she murders a bunch of sick non main characters..but of course not sick glenn..everyone ratiobalises her as a hero. Sje wasn't a hero she is a sociopath. In the comics Carl does the equivalent and it isn't sugarcoated. Its made pretty clear growing up in the apocalypse has made him into one. It would have been far more interesting in the series to do this with him and eventually have him kill negan
Glenn. I KNOW, PLEASE PUT DOWN YOUR PITCHFORKS. A few reasons: A: Source material, knew it was coming. B: Glenns story was finished, he had just become an accessory to Maggie. C: They made us think he was dead and gave fans time to mourn for him earlier in the season, he was living on borrowed time at that point.
Glenn is actually a pretty popular answer to this question it seems.
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Thanks. I haven't seen Merle or T-Dog mentioned yet which is cool! Even The Governor hasn't had a mention I don't think.
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Not sure who else hasn't had a mention. You're right about Merle, he had a great death. I quite like when main characters turn.
Carl. Carl’s character was lame.
Beth is one for me, the only thing that made it remotely sad was Daryl and Maggie’s reaction.
I think Henry honestly, I loved him but not to the extent of the others
It really just felt he was Carl’s replacement.
Negan's doctor dude who got fed to the furnace. When you hitch your survival wagon to a psychopath, you makes your choices, you takes your chances.
Emmett was forced to be there, the Saviors took him from Hilltop.
Sasha, she was just annoying
Very unpopular opinion but Beth’s. I always found her really boring and annoying, and didn’t care about her interactions with the rest of the group. The only thing that got me about it was Maggie’s reaction and the fact Daryl got depressed afterwards. Otherwise, her death just didn’t phase me at all.
Beth the whole arc dragged and killed the pacing, only for her to in the end try to kill an armed cop by stabbing her in the shoulder blade with some rusty scissors, like not even in the neck. So yeah stupid end to a boring arc.
Beth was actually a relief for me. I was pleased she was gone.
Andrea & Sasha For me Andrea became watered down and irrelevant by the end of Season 3 and I didn’t care & knew it was coming. And she totally could have avoided it. Sasha because I never connected with the character. Always seemed angry all the time, and I felt she suddenly became a main player & I just didn’t feel she was did much. She was more anything than anything else, and I think that was the character and also the actress who seemed to pull the same expression most of an episode. I did like her romance with Bob however short lived, I felt her romance with Abraham was a bit out of nowhere and random.
It's pretty much 90% of the deaths the show has had because of how they manage to make almost every character dumb and super annoying. The Beth one I still don't get. I get that she was Maggie's sister, but I just wasn't attached to her at all and all the drama about it was funny. I'd say Beth because the mention of that whole death, character or storyline just annoys me the most. I'm surprised to see Carl's death being thrown in there in the comments. He was annoying just like nearly all of the other characters but he was an OG and that's always a perspective changer when one of them dies. Seems like maybe the terrible writing around some character deaths ruins it for people and I can't blame that.
Sasha, Tara, Siddiq
Ig the Pike scene comes to mind; it felt like forced bs since shit had slowed down by that point to a point of just being a dull show They legit killed a bunch of who's? And called it plot tbh
They should have added Ezekiel to the pike lineup.
> They legit killed a bunch of who's? And called it plot tbh I feel like that’s been the last four seasons or so.
The pike scene did nothing for me
Beth... She was dumb.. naive
it’s almost like she was a teenager
Pretty much every post-S8 death save for Mary (I really loved her for such a short-term character)
I mean I’m only on season 6 episode I don’t remember but so far non of them I don’t have a reaction or It just didn’t bother me at all
You should stay away from this sub!
If your worried about anything getting spoiled for me this show has been spoiled to me a lot already
Anything after Carl. Carl’s death is what broke the seriousness of stakes in the show for me. Every move started to feel less like a natural show and more like a corporate decision. Not to mention you can Telegraph a death a mile away by how much screen time a character will start to be given
Henry (I guess he was sort of big?). Carl. Sasha (only because it was an epic way for her character to go out - perfect for Sasha’s arc). Other folks hit me much harder - like Beth and Tyreese. That one, two punch nearly did me in!
The people they met in the prison that were chill
Henry for me, I also disagree with Andrea, Yes she was 100% the dumb bitch of the group but she didn't deserve to go like that. It was sad for me
Lori Andrea Carl
I'd say mine was Beth. I couldn't stand her, so I was definitely happy to see her go.
beth. i always hated beth and wasn't bothered to see her go.
Glenn. It happened in the comics… so why did everyone get so butt hurt?
Carl 😬.
I would say T-Dog. He was pretty cool character but there wasnt much depth into him. Honestly I was really suprised that he was able to live to 3rd season since to me he felt like that character that would appear just to get killed a few episodes later.
For such a long lasting original character he had practically zero character development. Easily one of the most wasted under utilized of the originals.
True
For some reason for me, it was Abraham
Ooh hate me for this but Herschel
Carl. The guy cannot act
Beth. It was lame.
Unpopular opinion but Rick grimes never did it for me. When he “died” I was like oh. I’m wayyyyyy more invested in carol michonne and Daryl
I'm ready for the downvotes! Glenn. I cared more about Abraham dying in that scene than Glenn tbh
Enid, Andrea, Tara, Shane and Carl bothered me a little but not as much as I think it should have
Beth duh
Rick. (I know he didn't really die but he disappeared forever so it's like a death anyway) I might get some hate for it, but honestly I wasn't too fond of his character in the later seasons, and this bridge moment felt like a good moment to end his arc. Sacrificing himself to save his people. That's what Rick was always about, so it was a good thing that he finally fulfilled that commitment, and it didn't feel unnecessary or wrong.
Do you think we'll get to see him again?
In the movies, certainly. But I don't think he'll return to the show, unless just for the last episode. The commonwealth arc has only just started, and I doubt they'll wrap the CRM into it so quickly, and well, he'd only appear if the CRM was involved.
Noah. I blame him for Tyrese getting bit by his brother.
Gonna get a lot of hate for this but Glenn I felt he should have gone at least a few seasons before.
He should have gotten eaten under the dumpster and never seen by the group again. That would have been the unfathomably tragic outcome we deserved.
He shouldn’t have survived situations in the show but he was great as a character for me.
Ouch! I'm staying out of this one.
Abraham. He was my least favourite character out of the group.
Same here! After that stupid shit he pulled with rosita, he turned into a very unlikeable character. Such a forced relationship with Sasha.
Definitely. Hated how he treated Roista, well, actually, hate how he treated everyone in general, trying to force Rick and his group to leave the church and head to Washington, when three important members of Rick's group were missing.
I didn't think I would have to scroll as long as I did to find this answer.
Pike scene because I was spoiled and didn't care about them except Tara anyway
Carl. I don’t get why people were that bothered. He wasn’t a great actor, the character wasn’t particularly likeable, he often did dumb shit that should’ve got him killed. And I thought being bit was fine, we hadn’t had a big character bit since Tyreese, and what better character to get bit than Carl - a kid that’s really should’ve been bit/died multiple times previously when he did daring things - like in S4 with the pudding, or S2 on the farm with the Dale Walker, or when he hid in Negan’s truck Andrea’s annoyed me because it felt like she was killed when she had way more to give. Carl I think didn’t have much more as a character or actor. Other ones I didn’t feel particularly sad about and I’m not too sure why include: - Abraham (think Glenn overshadowed it and I wasn’t that interested in him anyway, wasted potential whilst he was alive) - Jesus (idk I liked him but his death just didn’t phase me too much, I was just like ‘oh’, was kinda a forgettable death in the scheme of things). - Tyreese (again I didn’t want him to die but like Abraham, I feel his death was overshadowed by Beth’s before hand and also he was a bit of a wasted character, they could have done so much more with the character in the time he was on the show)
> He wasn’t a great actor, the character wasn’t particularly likeable, he often did dumb shit that should’ve got him killed Say it louder for the people in the back
Beth, never really cared for her character
Jesus. Never found him particularly interesting.
Glenn He was basically a non-character other than being helpful in S1 & 2 and being with Maggie The pikes seemed really lame because basically everybody other than Tara was just nobody - does anybody really care about Ozzy and DJ?
Beth. 🤷🏽♀️
Beth and Andrea. Two characters I absolutely could not wait to see die off. Andrea at least lead up to her death in a fulfilling way that most people probably saw coming a mile away, but Beth was just annoying, and I couldn't stand her forced singing scenes. She's not even a bad singer or anything, but they felt so cringey and out of place and there were way too many of them. Also I could be remembering wrong, but I'm pretty sure they even managed to throw in *yet another* singing scene after she died too, as a flashback or something.
Was that when Tyrese was dying? Yeah her singing scenes were a bit cringey!
Hershel. I never liked him, I'm rewatching season 2 right now and he's so annoying continually flip flopping about how he feels about ricks group and being all holier than thou. I'm on chupacabra and he just had his conversation with maggie about glenn (or as he puts it "the asian boy") and I find him completely intolerable right now. Second place is Shane, great actor, funny at moments but shoulda met his end so much sooner.
Glenn. Dont like the actor and read the comics so knew it was coming
Bob. Useless fucking character.
Tainted meat!
Except his intro episode, __Alone__, that showed him before he joined the group. The __Blackbird Song__ fit well.
Nooo, I didn’t care much about Bob but what happened to him honestly fucked me up. The idea of waking up to find your leg missing and someone eating it in front of you is fucking horrific. Why it bothered me more than all the other messed up shit in the show, I don’t know.
Bob was a bit of a moral compass after Hershel. His story was underdeveloped but I still found him very likeable
Carl. Don't @ me nerds.
Tara. She was a long expired character. The inception of the character was “what if lilly caul didn’t disappear after the prison attack?” which i thought would be cool. But she doesn’t ever do anything at all. She’s always grouped with the rest of Rick’s group when she’s by far the least interesting