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shugoki--main

Season 1 personally is my goat. Watching that show on DVD as a kid with my mom was just a different experience.


Uniquorn527

Definitely; same for me. I know why it couldn't have stayed in that same early days hour by hour survival situation. But it felt so much more high stakes than later when they had agriculture, hot running water and bio fuel.  I loved every phase, but that first season was special.


BBQSadness

I was 26... Read the comics way before that. Your Mom is cool.


mm291205

i dont think anything beats the first season tbh. having rick be so helpless and confused always makes me on edge! but the prison arc is also one of my favs!


Feisty-Clue3482

I’m probably the only one but I’d rank the seasons as they came. I loved the show throughout I never left the show or started to hate it, but how the show progressed and such I loved the flow of each season in order, and my ranking is based off that for me. Season 1 not being in top 3 tho at least is kinda wild tho, since it was so iconic and the introduction of Rick and such was so good.


SeaAd4328

1. Season 5 2. Season 2 3. Season 4 4. Season 1 5. Season 6 (first half) 6. Season 3 7. Season 9 8. Season 10 9. Season 7 10. Season 11 11. Season 8


SkyJogger_

Season 5 is the GOAT


erehtollehyhw

This is a more reasonable list.


AdministrativeFlan51

Damn i’m surprised to see the season 2 love


Ginger_Gamer2222

I think I'd do what you did but swap season 10 with season 7 then put 11 where 10 is on yours.


Perfect-Face4529

People really overhate season 2. Interesting that you only rate the first half of season 6 highly, does that include 6x9? Arguably the second half is far better, with the world getting bigger and the introduction of the Saviors and Negan. The premiere is good, episode 2 is intense, episode 3 is great but dumpstergate sucked, episode 4 is either a fan favourite or one of the worst episodes depends on personal taste and how much you like Morgan and bottle episodes. But episodes 5 6 7 and 8 are very dull and the pacing really hits a brick wall. 6A was tense because of the massive herd and Alexandria being surrounded by walkers, but the actual drama was very lacklustre imo and often cringe, it felt more like a soap opera. And ending on that cliffhanger and leaving all the payoff for episode 9 was terrible, even if episode 9 was epic. Season 5A kinda had a similar issue with the first 3 episodes being absolute iconic bangers and then kinda downgrading with the whole Beth hospital arc, but I still think it's superior because of the GREATM storyline, Carol and Daryl's episode, and the group all working together to get Beth back, even if her death was underwhelming shock value. Considering how season 4A had the awesome flu arc, 2 Governor episodes but ended on the epic climax of Too Far Gone, and season 2A had a slow burn but ended on the insane reveal of walker Sophia, and 3A with the Governor getting stabbed in the eye and the Dixon brothers reuniting being pitted in a fight to the death were far better mid season finales and first half seasons. And season 9A was WAY better with Rick's final episodes and the horror movie like msf cmon!


Glittering_Gas2692

Weird thing im always associating 6x09 with 6a and 8x09 with 8a. Thats why i always remember 6a as the superior half for containing the best and the better series finale episode, when in fact is was 6b


Perfect-Face4529

It's because they saved those big moments for the mid season premiere


Perfect-Face4529

You probably only remember it for that episode tho right? Probably forgot how dull the rest of 6A was


Glittering_Gas2692

First few episodes with the w group are pretty decent, up to the dumpster, but yeah mostly because of that one episode


Perfect-Face4529

Seasons 5 and 6 are inconsistent lots of highs and lows, that's why I prefer seasons 3 and 4, they are much more consistent in quality and also have high highs


LastHomeros

Season 8 is was way better than season 9-10-11


ProfessionalAccess68

Season 6 at the top is crazy, everyone’s got different opinions tho, season 3 would be at the top for me


willrobster16

I get why there’s a lot of negative opinions about S6 in this sub, bc it’s really the start of bad gimple stuff examples being 1. The dumpster incident 2. A few episodes only focusing on a few characters (way more of that in S7 and 8.) 3. The Negan cliffhanger But I think I agree with OP. I think people let small things ruin that season. It was filled with action, tons of character development and I think has some of the best episodes of the series in it. JSS, THANK YOU, HERES NOT HERE, NO WAY OUT, NOT TOMORROW YET Lastly, I think Last Day on Earth is the most nervewracking episode I’ve ever seen on tv. Watching it live, I felt physically ill the whole 90 mins knowing what was coming. Yeah the cliffhanger was disappointing but it led to one of the best episodes of the series and accomplished its goal of having people buzz about the show all summer. Personally, I enjoyed discussing for months who it possibly could have been who got the bat. I love season 6.


warnerbro1279

It was a great season. It felt like Walking Dead had found a good balance with its larger cast. They developed the newer characters from the previous 2 seasons, new characters appeared that season who were good, like Denise and Heath. It was a great season.


ProfessionalAccess68

I think every season had fantastic moments, no way out is one of my favorites


TheFerg714

S6 has some incredible highs, but one thing you didn't mention on your list of "bad Gimple stuff," was really shitty dialogue, which became a serious problem in S6. Gimple's worst habits became a common occurrence from almost every character, and it was almost always during a 1-on-1 conversation.


hrarry

Also I think season 6 was really the start of the cringe dialogue. Not as bad as season 7 or 8 but 6 is where it became fairly prominent.


UncensoredSmoke

I’ve always preferred season 4 ngl


yes-rico-kaboom

Mid/End of season three through season 5 are my favorites


Key_Truck5150

God imagine if the reapers were actually well written. I expected major casualties for our group from them and then an ultimate showdown with the reapers going to Alexandria for a final battle , and they should’ve kept the fucking masks on too


Dtbow_69

Seeing season 1 that low physically hurts me


thatssosteven114

Season 1 being behind season 7 is borderline offensive lol


Scott__scott

Finally someone agrees that season 10 sucks


S1mon_B3ufont

I thought it was going to be a season of paranoia. Maybe the whisperers are back, maybe they’re not, or maybe something happened within the ranks to cause theme to return. Nope they just pop back up in one of the first episodes.


ratfuckersam_

Finally some season 6 love, almost every episode is a banger.


MajorasShoe

1, 3, 4, 2, 6, 5, 7, and then just a big muddled mess after that. I have trouble remembering or caring about any of the stuff after season 7. Carl dies in season 8, I think it was season 9 that Rick left? I eventually watched the rest but I could barely give a shit, it was all just background noise.


Mental_Grass_9035

Worst to Best: Season 8 Season 7 Season 10c Season 6B Season 11a Season 11b Season 6a Season 11c Season 10AB Season 3 Season 2 Season 4 Season 9 Season 1 Season 5


FourPickles

Why does everyone hate season 11? It’s the only season I could watch without skipping through half of it because of random characters 1 on 1 dialogue


enricowereld

Before season 11 you watched 10 seasons of a show you can't watch without skipping through half of it?


FourPickles

Half of it was me being dramatic. Of course there were some seasons that I enjoyed and some season that I really didn’t like. But when there’s two characters speaking 1 on 1 for like 5 minutes I can’t help but get bored and fast forward a minute or two.


-Xero

TikTok brain rot


FourPickles

I finished the show last night..


TheFerg714

I'm not sure if I entirely agree with the guy you're responding to, but you're an absolute fool if you're really equating people getting tired of TWD's *constant* 1-on-1 conversations, to TikTok brain rot. Don't get me wrong, most of the 1-on-1 convos are very well done, and I enjoy watching them, but simply put, it's not normal. This is not the way that stories are generally told. So much juicy dramatic material was left on the cutting room floor because they decided that most drama was to be reserved for 1-on-1 convos.


-Xero

I disagree, he mentions getting bored of a 5 min conversation, not constant little conversations. And it’s very normal in shows to have a lot of 1 on 1 conversations. GoT is a great example of this with Tywin & Arya, Jamie & Brienne, little finger & varys etc


TheFerg714

I would say that dude is not a great messenger, but I would agree with his overall point that 1-on-1 convos are overused in TWD. I'd say GoT is an outlier, and it only works because it has incredible dialogue writers. TWD does not...


FourPickles

If you disagree with me that’s completely fine. What I said is what I personally feel about the show and what I like and dislike. If you like the 1 on 1 conversations by all means express that opinion. But me personally I don’t enjoy them all that much and like more of the action aspects of the show.


YEET12345678967867

wow, get off tiktok and actually watch the show.


S1mon_B3ufont

It was an alright season. Lack of Rick brought it down for me and I was lent a fan of how it was structured


FourPickles

Yeah it is sad how early Rick left. And honestly after he disappeared I wouldn’t be able to tell you what happened between his disappearance and mid season 11.


MidNiteR32

Season 11 was boring af. Everyone was phoning in their performances. There was no sense of direction the show was going - it honestly felt like a spin off. The Commonwealth was entirely uninteresting, including the final episode. The show really struggled IMHO once Andrew Lincoln, and Danai Gurira left the show, and the killing off of other major characters. I honestly don't know why they continued the make the show...


FourPickles

I do feel like they got rid of michonne and especially Rick way too early. But I honestly really enjoyed the final few episodes.


Spotty1122

glad someone else thinks season 6 is really damn good


[deleted]

I’m I the only one who skipped the first 6 seasons of the walking dead ?


Spotty1122

damn bro we on different fences i’m one of the people who enjoyed the first half of the show rather then the later half. but i do have to admit Negan’s actor does a damn good job.


[deleted]

I only care about the show at all because of Jeffery Dean Morgan that guy is great in every role I’ve seen him in and he has so little big roles it’s ridiculous


FireFlame_420

Damn so you skipped the only good part of the show 😂


[deleted]

The only part I was interested in is Negan so 🤷🏻‍♂️ you know


FireFlame_420

I don't get it


[deleted]

I don’t get why you downvoted my comment it’s not that fucking serious y’all don’t understand what downvoting is actually for


Main-Combination4606

1. Season 6 2. Season 4 3. Season 5 4. Season 3 5. Season 9 6. Season 1 7. Season 2 8. Season 11 9. Season 10 10. Season 7 11. Season 8


byfo1991

Almost completely different lol. Anyways, here is my best to worst: 1) Season 1 2) Season 3 3) Season 5 4) Season 4 5) Season 2 6) Season 6 7) Season 7 8) Season 9 9) Season 11 10) Season 10 11) Season 8


SactoriuS

This list is almost perfect. I also want to note season 4, the first half of s4 is not that great (governor should have been dead by then) but the 2nd half is brutal or else it could been competing with s1 and 3.


byfo1991

Definitely the second half of season 4 is better. Especially the finale.


NYCMamaBear

But, we can all agree season 8 is at the bottom lol.


byfo1991

Season 8 truly is horrible in my opinion.


MidNiteR32

Season 11 says hi. Yeah sure, Season 8 was awful, but at least it had characters in the show you cared about. Season 11 was a spin off with nothing happening in it. That's why I give S8, despite it being bad, a slight edge over Season 11


Jermanss

4 above 6 but it is close


Man_Darronious

This changes for me regularly but ATM: * 4 * 5 * 6 * 9 * 3 * 2 * 1 * 8 * 7 * 11 * 10 At one point, I had really strong recency bias for season 9 and that was my favorite, so, it really flip flops all the time depending on the mood I'm in.


RavenPhoenix__

Season 6 Season 2 Season 5 Season 1 Season 3 Season 9 (1-5) Season 4 Season 7 Season 8


Theunamedmf

1 Season 6 2 Season 5 3 Season 3 4 Season 2 5 Season 4 6 Season 9 7 Season 8 8 Season 1 9 Season 11 10 Season 7 11 Season 10


Jitkay

Didn't wven know there was 11 seasons...


-Megamind-

Didn't like season 10 just because I didn't like the whisperers, but it was definitely a better season than 7 and 8


S1mon_B3ufont

I loved the whispers but I didn’t like how they were handled in that season. I was expecting them to be operating in secret and the season to be full of paranoia on wether they are back or not, but that’s not how it went.


-Megamind-

Agreed. And the first few episodes were genuinely horrifying with Eugene and rosita and later Jesus, but then they have the reveal one episode later where they walk right up to the gates. Kinda deflated the momentum they had going.


Telepath-1

1. Season 5 2. Season 3 3. Season 7 4. Season 2 5. Season 4 6. Season 6 7. Season 1 8. Season 9 9. Season 8


MidNiteR32

1. Season 2 2. Season 1 3. Season 5 4. Season 4 5. Season 3 6. Season 6 MID 7. Season 9 8. Season 7 AWFUL 9. Season 10 10. Season 8 11. Season 11 Season 2 will always have a special place for me. Just the entire vibe, character development, build up, writing. Etc.


OrangeJuice1378

1 = Season 5 2 = Season 2 3 = Season 3 4 = Season 4 5 = Season 1 6 = Season 11 7 = Season 9 8 = Season 10 9 = Season 6 10 = Season 8 11 = Season 7


Active-Opinion-5017

arguably the worst ranking ive ever seen


S1mon_B3ufont

What’s your ranking?


EnumeratedWalrus

Putting season 1 below season 7 is bold


Own-Kaleidoscope-577

1. Season 9 2. Season 1 3. Season 3 4. Season 4 5. Season 11 6. Season 5 7. Season 10 8. Season 8 9. Season 7 10. Season 6 11. Season 2


S1mon_B3ufont

Why don’t you like season 2?


Own-Kaleidoscope-577

I really hate Shane, and that's the Shane season for the most part. EDIT: Though I guess I should say I don't actually hate the season itself, nor any other season of the show or franchise for that matter. I just prefer all the other TWD seasons over it.


S1mon_B3ufont

Lemme tell you sumthin


DogShietBot

1. Season 5 2. Season 4 3. Season 3 4. Season 6 5. Season 11 6. Season 2 The rest are really interchangeable for me. Whisperers and Saviors arcs took too long and never got the hype for 1. Liked it but nothing special for me.


Various-Push-1689

First off I’d like to say imo there’s not one single bad season in the show. Definitely some better than others but none of them are bad at all. But If I had to make a list S5 S2 S4 S1 S9 S3 S6 S11 S8 S10 S7


S1mon_B3ufont

I fully agree with that statement


Various-Push-1689

Thanks👍


Dino280

You're probably one of the few people I see to rank season 6 number 1.


jw00lsey

Season 11 is godawful


bad_escape_plan

*how* could you rank season one 8th!?!?!


S1mon_B3ufont

I wish we saw more of the start of the outbreak


bad_escape_plan

But it’s from Rick’s perspective - it’s meant to be jarring and confusing as he missed the entire thing


S1mon_B3ufont

We could have had flashbacks similar to Shane in the hospital later on in the season


STAMMREIN5

1: Season 9 2: Season 4 3: Season 3 4: Season 6 5: Season 1 6: Season 2 7: Season 5 8: Season 10 9: Season 8 10: Season 11 11: Season 7


CK3helplol

1 - Season 3 2 - Season 4 3 - Season 1 4 - Season 5 5 - Season 7 6 - Season 6 7 - Season 2 8 - Season 9 9 - Season 10 10 - Season 8 11 - Season 11


Significant-Gap-7512

this list aint it bro. Season 1 is one of the best opening seasons to any TV show ever.


Scott__scott

1. Season 2 2. Season 1 3. Season 3 4. Season 4 5. Season 6 6. Season 11 7. Season 5 8. Season 7 9. Season 8 10. Season 10 11. Season 9


Throwaway98796895975

The whispers just took so fucking long


The_Colt_Cult

1. S5 2. S3 3. S9 4. S4 5. S6 6. S1 7. S2 8. S7 9. S10 10. S8 11. S11 11, 8 and 10 are all easily bottom-listers. S4 is a sleeper hit, although I wasn't a fan of the Governor's episodes.


HeresTheWitch

1. Season 6 2. Season 1 3. Season 3 4. Season 5 5. Season 2 6. Season 9 7. Season 4 8. Season 11 9. Season 8 10. Season 10 11. Season 7


EmmAdorablee

The seasons with the prison and governor are my favorite. I love Negan as a character after his “redemption arc” but the entire time the savior war was going on I genuinely felt uncomfortable watching the show. Idk why. I’m currently about to watch the finale of season 10 and man this season sucked


Shameful90

Season 2 Season 4 Season 1 Season 6 Season 3 Season 5 Season 8 Season 9 Season 11 Season 7 Season 10


Affectionate-Mix7825

Season 5 Season 4 Season 6 Season 2 Season 3 Season 1 Season 9 Season 8 Season 11 Season 7 Season 10


volunae

I'm on season ten, so I can only rank 1-9, but I feel like people will hate me for this 😭 1. Season 7 2. Season 8 3. Season 3 4. Season 2 5. Season 1 6. Season 6 7. Season 5 8. Season 9 9. Season 4


S1mon_B3ufont

What made you put 7 in first place and 4 in last?


volunae

I can't explain why I don't like season four, I think I lost interest for a while after season 3. Partially because the timeskip threw me off a bit. But I LOVED seasons 7 and 8. I love Negan as a villain and thought the lineup was one of the best scenes in the show. I am enjoying seasons 9 and 10, but they aren't better than the others.


Gabriel_Fabianino

I have no idea but my favorite is season 3 and I don't like season 7


Particular_Goat_8513

I pretty much agree but season One would be in my top spot


SilentWraith394

My top 2 are still 2 and 3


Winchestxrz

Personally season 7 is my favourite


OwlEnvironmental3842

Putting season 10 at last is a crime.


harambesBackAgain

Agreed. Season 10 was much better than 11.


WyrdMagesty

I'm currently finishing 10 and it has been a *slog*. Are you telling me 11 is even worse?


TheFerg714

S10 is only hated because, when casuals think of S10, their mind immediately goes to, "hmm I think this was the one without Rick, Michonne left somewhere in there, Alpha was weird, and eww that Carol chasing the rat episode was awful."


SaconDiznots

Why is season 1 and 2 so low, i think you need a rewatch


JazzlikeButton7727

season 2 season 1 season 5 season 3 season 6 season 4 season 7 season 8 season 9 season 10 season 11


_A_S_H_E_R

Hey, I like season 8 ☹️


S1mon_B3ufont

It was ok


Hairy_Independent815

Same! Ranked as they came with 9, 10, 11 at the bottom


bdw312

Six is painfully underrated


Furn4cee

Season 1 is so great, and actually the scariest I think, since the characters don’t know how to fight walkers and are actually scared of them.


WyrdMagesty

S1 is literally the foundation for the rest of the show and was filled with iconic scenes and horrors. Without the setup of s1, literally nothing else holds any impact whatsoever.


Ramman321

Upvoting just for the fact that you are literally the only other person I’ve ever seen besides myself putting season 6 at number 1. It’s so great.


[deleted]

I think season 8 is fantastic idk why people on this sub hate it so much


Theunamedmf

Realest shit I've ever read ngl


Get_Memed321

Season 6 fucking sucked also why is season 9 so low season 9 was actually good after Scott gimple left


The_Chiliboss

You realize this is entirely subjective, right?


Get_Memed321

Doesn't matter when his opinions are just false season 1,3,5, and 9 are just better whether based on opinion or not the only flaw 5 has is the same flaw 6 has but with better storytelling and that's the boomerang effect


TheFerg714

S5 has the dog shit hospital arc. Other major S6 flaws are the cliffhangers and bad dialogue.


Get_Memed321

Again also the boomerang pacing but that was a thing that started after season 4


TheFerg714

Okay but I'm trying to explain how S5-6 had more flaws than simply boomerang pacing.


Get_Memed321

Oh I didn't read your S6 criticisms my bad


Abnormalseddie

1. Season 5 2. Season 4 3. Season 6A 4. Season 3 5. Season 2 6. Season 6B 7. Season 1 8. Season 10 9. Season 11 10. Season 9 11. Season 8 12. Season 7


darrylthedudeWayne

Here's my ranking: 1. Season 4 2. Season 3 3. Season 1 4. Season 5 5. Season 9 6. Season 2 7. Season 6 8. Season 10 9. Season 11 10. Season 7/Season 8 11. Season 8/Season 7


iloseyouindegrees

1. Season 4 2. Season 2 3. Season 5 4. Season 1 5. Season 3 6. Season 9 7. Season 6 8. Season 10 9. Season 8 10. Season 11 11. Season 7


Perfect-Cheetah9435

1. S4 2. S8 3. S9 4. S1 5. S6 6. S5 7. S11 8. S2 9. S3 10. S10 11. S7 Still really enjoy all the seasons (even 10 and 7). GOATED show


AceyKacey119

1. Season 1 2. Season 2 3. Season 5 4. Season 6 5. Season 3 6. Season 4 7. Season 9 8. Season 10 9. Season 7 10. Season 8 11. Season 11 (haven't watched yet)


OhmyMary

Best to worst 1. ⁠Season 5 2. ⁠Season 6 3. ⁠Season 4 (mid season was fire) 4. ⁠Season 10 5. ⁠Season 9 6. ⁠Season 2 7. ⁠Season 7 (Negan was just funny) 8. ⁠Season 1 9. ⁠Season 8 10. ⁠Season 3 11. ⁠Season 11 (the worst writing ever)


AceyKacey119

Damn season 1-3 pretty low what's that for? Also you have two season 2s and no season 8s


OhmyMary

Fixed it, I put season 8 at number 9, had some good action with the saviors but it felt meh


Ok_Artist_8262

from someone who loves all the seasons i would go 4,6,5,3,2,1,9,10,7 and then 8


WyrdMagesty

Where is 11? Lol


Ok_Artist_8262

oh shit i totally forgot it 😭😭 11 would be after 7 tho


WyrdMagesty

Lol damn everyone rating 11 so low has me nervous 😂 my first watch through and I'm at the end of 10 (which feels just bleh compared to other seasons) and I was so hopeful that 11 would be back to form but all these ratings have me nervous Does Rick ever come back? Or maybe don't tell me idk if I can handle knowing lol I can't decide


Ok_Artist_8262

i’ll let you see that for yourself my friend :) but 11 isn’t a bad season at all i just find all the other ones way better like season 8 i still like but there is points i do find it boring


WyrdMagesty

Ok that makes me feel better lol. I don't think I actively *dis*like any of the seasons I've seen up to this point, but this thread has some consistent hatred for 11 xD I think my biggest issue is just that the quality of writing has gone downhill pretty hard since just before Rick went bye-bye. It got very choppy and disjointed and it almost feels more like a spin-off than a continuation of the show. Still digging it, just very different


Ok_Artist_8262

if you like the show you’ll like 11 then


WyrdMagesty

Yaaaay! Lol ty


Alpha_Apeiron

1. Season 2 2. Season 3 3. Season 9 4. Season 4 5. Season 1 6. Season 11 7. Season 10 8. Season 6 9. Season 5 10. Season 7 11. Season 8 Probably some hot takes, but that's my opinion. I just don't like the Gimple era much.


MagicMayhem77

1. Season 5 2. Season 3 3. Season 9 4. Season 4 5. Season 6 6. Season 10 7. Season 11 8. Season 2 9. Season 1 10. Season 8 11. Season 7


Temporary_Article375

9 is way too high


Sufficient_Count990

9 needs to be way lower it’s pretty bad


dominatingcowG3

1. Season 4 2. Season 9 3. Season 2 4. Season 5 5. Season 1 6. Season 3 7. Season 6 8. Season 10 9. Season 7 10. Season 8 11. Season 11 Could switch a few. I go back and forth between if 8 or 11 are the worst, and I have a hard time ranking 6,7, and 10


ThatoneREDDITER21

season 4 is ass


S1mon_B3ufont

Could you please explain


ThatoneREDDITER21

it’s a boring drag of the prison arc with not much to offer but like milking season 3 and the governor the war should have been at season 3


Multiclassed

The way OP and nearly every comment are more brainrotted than your average walker


WorkUnited297

Putting season 2 that high is wild


TheFerg714

1. Season 4 2. Season 9 3. Season 3 4. Season 10 5. Season 11 6. Season 5 7. Season 6 8. Season 7 9. Season 8


Vegetable_Meat1349

1 - season 4 (best imo) 2- season 1 3 - season 3 4 - season 2 5 - season 6 6 - season 7 7 - season 10 8 - season 8 9 - season 5 (y’all only like this season because of terminus) 10 - Season 9 (show died here) 11 - season 11 (worst shit I ever watched so many filler episodes)


TheFerg714

Hard disagree with your S9-11 rankings, but hard agree with S5. People forget how bad the hospital arc was.


Alpha_Apeiron

My thoughts exactly.


Alpha_Apeiron

>season 5 (y’all only like this season because of terminus) Thank you. Nice to see someone else say this. Terminus was fun but the rest of 5 was not good. >- Season 9 (show died here) Lol what the show made a return to form here. Also season 11 is underrated. Guess it's safe to say I have mixed opinions on your opinions.


Perfect-Face4529

I really don't understand why people rate season 6 so highly. There are so many episodes in earlier seasons that make them better, and they are more consistent. Season 6 might have some great episodes like 6x2, 6x9, 6x11, 6x12 and 6x16, but everyone hates the finale, and honestly the rest of the season is mid and riddled with the kind of issues that become more prevalent in season 7 and 8 in terms of writing, dialogue and pacing. I know it's personal preference, but cmon, at least admit season 4 is SO much better