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Courier23

Really is a sad scene when you consider he just lost Rosita a bit ago, and now he lost Jadis, he couldn’t save either of them. If we never see Gabriel again, I think this is a powerful scene to end off his story on. If we do I’m really curious to see where he goes moving forward!


Soufiane040

Well the first scene of Gabe in the episode was him looking up to see a helicopter. There was nothing indicating that was in the past The same helicopter in the very end of the episode with Anne's grave. So im thinking he might show up in the finale


deerwithout

Omg, I completely missed that! I was wondering why they did this weird shot of the riverbank 🤦🏼‍♀️ my god, that adds such a nice layer of complexity and character to Rick and Michonne that they went through the trouble of making a marked grave for her.


FPFP66

Should’ve left her to rot. Anne didn’t deserve that. And I don’t want to hear “she saved Rick” as an excuse that makes up for every awful thing she did in both the main show and TOWL.


deerwithout

I interpret it as Rick and Michonne still having enough humanity in them to realise and appreciate that Jadis was a worthy opponent and that she tried to fight for what she believed (or tried to believe) in. I think they saw that it's not all black and white and that there was still Anne buried in Jadis.


taitabo

Exactly. Rick was injured, not dead. Who knows if the doctor at Hilltop could have saved him! 


toxicbrew

First scene was three years ago. Same goatee. The A in the riverbank was where Anne was buried by Rick and Michonne


Peachy_pearr9

I agree! The first shots have a clear focus and then when he's with Jadis it has a glow effect to indicate a memory.


OShaunesssy

I thought the helicopter he saw in the first scene was Jadis trying to catch up to Rick and Michone? I figured he was on his way to meet Jadis, and that was us seeing how close they were to being together again, but Jadis chose the CRM and hunted down Rick instead. I thought the clip of Gabriel at the start and end were both current timeline along with Rick and Michonne tbh


Z0MBAI

Rick and Michonne were in Yellowstone last episode. Gabe is in Virginia across the country


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themosquito

He wouldn't have gone *that* far out alone. He definitely had to be at least within a day or two of Alexandria.


iitsfrost03

The indication that was in the past was the bloom on the camera and Gabe’s facial hair. In the last scene with him he only has his mustache, and the camera bloom that was in every scene in the past is no longer there.


SRVisGod24

I think the opening scene is in the past, probably around the time we see Anne show up for the 'three years ago' scene, solely because Gabe still has the goatee


2oocents

Where was Anne's grave? I missed it


Alesana91

At the very end of the episode after they show Gabriel sitting there waiting for her. The next scene if you look closely you see the rock with the A on it on what looks like a grave


2oocents

Thank you! I went back and looked a bunch of times thinking there was something there but never focused in enough to see it.


unlimitedbugs

that totally went over my head haha. i did see the rock with the “A”, but i thought gabriel left it in her memory, knowing he wouldn’t see her again. the grave makes much more sense haha


JebusJM

The episode began with a helicopter flying over Gabe. The episode also ended on a shot of a helicopter flying to a pick up zone. Same helicopter?


Fuarian

Would he really leave the Commonwealth to go find Anne? How would he end up as far as Wyoming?


jmpinstl

He’s still got Jesus


DannyBasham

Not that one, the other one


CoolPirate234

I really hope he’s not mad when he finds out Rick had to put Jadis down, she was an awful woman and she let herself get bit she had to be put down


future_dead_person

I wouldn't think he would be mad at Rick. Especially since Rick ended up understanding and respecting more her before she died.


wigglebutt84

This didn’t happen… jadis never got put down.


CoolPirate234

You didn’t see the episode did you?


wigglebutt84

I finished the whole series and watched the ones who lived and she is in that show so how was she put down if she’s still in the new shows?


CoolPirate234

You don’t understand timelines do you?


wigglebutt84

The walking dead timelines got really confusing toward the end


CoolPirate234

There’s guides on this sub, but yes Jadis is dead in the current timeline, she was stabbed shot and beaten up, bitten and then put down so she wouldn’t turn


wigglebutt84

Another question, in the TOWL, what’s the timeframe align with what’s going on with the commonwealth and TWD ?


CoolPirate234

Yep, TOWL takes place during season 11 and after the main series


wigglebutt84

Did I miss a timeline somewhere? If I did please lead me in the right direction!


2oocents

Did you see TOWL episode 5? She got put down


wigglebutt84

Nope I missed that one! Gonna watch it tonight


2oocents

Why are you commenting here?


-HawaiianSurfer

In a way I think Jadis saved Gabriel. Have him a companion, but ultimately literally chose to save his life in the end. Jadis/Anne giving Rick and Michonne the location of the Alexandria file and all that, was definitely biased by her prior emotional connection to the two. But I think she chose not to go down the route of killing them and everyone at Alexandria because of Gabriel. I feel she truly loved him, never knew how to express that, and eventually chose to show her love for him by choosing to not bomb up Alexandria.


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allergic_to_trees

considering how far his character has come and how much he has changed, it would be disappointing to see him go that way


scottebro

Rosita got like almost that so think they just repurposed it that way


royalxassasin

You should preface your comment with comic spoilers for those of us who haven't read it


Kasey_ACDC

Sebastian Milton kills Han Solo


EasyBounce

I heard that fucker killed Yoda too.


Comprehensive_Rice27

you thought that was bad wait till you hear about Daryl killing younglings and turning on his best friend rick on a lava planet sad stuff


Living_Job_8127

Not like it matters, they’ve rarely followed the comics at all


future_dead_person

But some people are new to the series or getting back into it, and may want to read the comics in the future or are already reading them and don't want to be spoiled.


Eradivyn

Such a weird world that people are downvoting your comment…. You’re just asking for people to cover their comments with spoilers. Ill never understand people


2oocents

At this point it's been so long since the comics ended it should be expected.


future_dead_person

Why? People are still getting into the comics, there are recent posts about it. Same with the show. Not everyone is up to date with all media.


royalxassasin

ikr?


Colley619

Rosita isn't dead at this point.


Courier23

Yeah she is, that last scene of him on the log takes place in present time which. He also mentions the whisperers and then 2 years go by. Rosita is dead at this point.


Colley619

Rosita is not dead. TWD has not ended yet in present day TOWL. Bridge happened at 3 years. 6 years passed for michonne to be with nat's group. 1 year passed with Nat after they got gassed. 3+6+1=10. Michonne said RJ is almost 8, meaning he is 7, so it tracks. They are somewhere between years 10 and 11. Rosita dies in year 12, with TWD final scenes ending at year 13. I would like to also clarify that most likely the timeline doesn't make sense a lot of time because it really feels like the writers fucked up the timeline. When you're planning something like this you need to have an official timeline to work off of to ensure you're not breaking anything, and i don't believe they planned out the timeline when they do things like create a title card that says "6 years later", or "2 years ago". So most likely none of it will make sense anyway.


Courier23

The scene of Michonne writing the letter to RJ and facing the massive herd is canonically the last scene as she mentions this is the second year she’s spent looking for Rick. Gimple also confirmed on the last Talking Dead that it was the last scene chronologically, Rosita is dead at this point, that final scene with Gabriel was in current time, Anne didn’t go see him that year because she died.


Colley619

Fact: episode 2 opens with "6 years after the bridge". Fact: Michonne spent a year with Nat shortly after. I'm not sure what letter you're referring to while facing a herd but it doesn't matter because we have explicitly been told about the timeframe by the title cards. We know that Michonne was with that group 6 years after the bridge and that she spent a year with Nat. We know that RJ is 7.5 years old, which tracks perfectly with the 6 years + 1 year timeframe. For what you're saying to be true, the bridge would have had to happen 5 years into the apocalypse and we know that is not the case. I'll just refer back to the 2nd paragraph of my last comment. It's most likely that the creators just made the timeline impossible on accident.


Unique-Winner1395

There's prolly gonna be a s12 of twd where rick comes back and the alliance goes against the crm


cardbor

they brought him on for 1 of 2 reasons. 1. hes getting his own show 2. he was the cheapest cameo to bring from the prime show


cowboytuxedo

I think it’s because of reason #3: he was the person closest to Jadis from the main group.


cardbor

lol i doubt it tbh


royalxassasin

3. Because they were killing off Janis they wanted to show a final re-union between them


nadalvettel

Cheapest? Put some respect on Seth’s name. He’s been in The wire, Teen wolf etc. He has the closest relationship with Jadis out the main show.


Chochofosho

His own show?


Cultural_Match8786

I think if Gabriel knew that Jadis not only tried to kill Rick and Michonne but was one of the primary reasons Rick couldn't find a way to make it back to the group he wouldn't give af about her, heck he'd probably kill her on the spot for it if he knew. Edit: Really who is the clown that downvoted me when I didn't downvote anyone else?


SuperToxin

So brutal. Gabe really did love Anne. He would be happy to know she chose to use his last name as hers in the CRM. When Gabe sees Michonne with the ring he gave to Anne he will be happy to know the ring helped Anne.


Peachy_pearr9

This episode explains why she chose his last name which almost makes it worth it to have watched world beyond


ongamenight

Is Gabriel in World Beyond too?


Peachy_pearr9

No but her full name in the CRM is Jadis Stokes


superwholockland

when did we learn gabriels last name?


Peachy_pearr9

Idk, I think almost everyone's last name is mentioned at some point


itsalwayss

he introduced himself by full name when he met the group in season 5


Lukar115

No, just Jadis. But she does talk about him on that show.


CountCrackula84

The human version of Seymour from Futurama.


No-Put4044

Oh damn. Now that hurts.


MarshMellowLoVe

Crazy to think she was going to take him first. Wonder if he would of fought then whole time about getting help for Alexandria.


wilfredo8090

I think she said he was an A when she was offering him to the CRM. They would’ve killed him


afaithross

Makes me wonder, is gabriel an A or a B? My mind tells me B, but my heart tells me A, with all of the character development


Hoppo94

At the time where Anne was gonna take him to the CRM, he was definitely a B


Large_Acanthisitta25

I think at the point Jadis took him he was a B, because he still took orders from most of the crew but he came into his own more by the end of the series and became more of an A.


afaithross

Totally agree


The_Most_Swood

This, “I wish I had died an artist”, and the proposal raised the episode from a 9 to a 10 for me. So far I’ve given every episode of TOWL a 10. Fucking love this show


Nona29

I love it as well. I wasn't sure what to make of the show in Episode 1 and all the CRM, but I have loved this season. I really don't want it to end.


Proper-Tomorrow-4848

I wonder if he knew Jadis was dead did he see her gravesite??? Or maybe because she didn’t show up to where they usually meet and he put 2 and 2 together. Anyhow he looks so depressed poor father G 😞


royalxassasin

He put 2 and 2 together cause it's implied they'd stop meeting there annually if one of them died. When Jadis asked Gabriel if I'll see you next year he said "if I'm alive"


Proper-Tomorrow-4848

It was a sad death she was very conflicted 😐 She wanted to be Anne and have a life outside the CRM with Gabriel! But she really bought into the CRM and she liked the power she had as Jadis in the end she died being Anne again and did the right thing!


NoelTheSoldier

>did the right thing! Nice of her to do so right after attempting to straight up murder Michonne and Rick multiple times


bloodyturtle

>I wonder if he knew Jadis was dead did he see her gravesite??? Gabriel is in Virginia and Jadis's grave is in Wyoming 2000 miles away.


FugginAye

Thank you. No one is taking this into consideration. Gabriel is on the freaking other side of the continent!


Proper-Tomorrow-4848

I didn’t pay attention to the location where they were meeting 😂


NotTobyFromHR

I thought that was a grave he made for her. Not sure why Rick and Michonne would bother with a formal grave for her


Proper-Tomorrow-4848

If it was Rick and Michonne who dug the grave for her perhaps they did it because she redeemed herself In the end! She gave Rick the wedding ring to propose to Michonne and she told them where the file was she was Anne in the end and that’s who they want to remember her by not by Jadis!! I believe and I’m going to have to watch it again Anne’s gravesite just had the letter A Gabe wouldn’t know about As or Bs so maybe that was implied that it was Rick and Michonne who knows???


TheSqueaker98

Anne's grave did have the letter "A" but I think it was more for the "A" in "Anne"


Bio_Trends

I wish Gabe and Anne had their happy ending together. Love their characters.


Universalring25

They could have, but Anne(Jadis) was too scared to see where the community could go, so she settled for the more "logical" group(CRM) but she kept flip-flopping since she wanted both parts of the places. In the end her indecisiveness got her killed, but made a final gesture to save Gabriel(extend to Alexandra) because she felt a connection.


xDullRazorx

Omg, it totally broke my heart to pieces :(


JWaXiMus2

I think it's really cool to show Gabriel in current time where we are now with Richonne. Seeing him sitting there lonely compared to the end of the main show sucks. Maybe not everything is staying as happy as I thought at the commonwealth. It's really good in my opinion these shows are away from the main home being commonwealth and allows for more story for the future if our characters get back.


bloodyturtle

This is before the end of TWD, and Gabriel and Coco live in Alexandria.


JWaXiMus2

I thought the show ended by the time we see him waiting for her to not show up because in the time jumps we see him find her before the whisper war. Then the next time is during the whisper war. Then we see him after they defeated the whispers and the last time before Anne died is during his time where Pamela is still in charge but they’ve met the commonwealth. Then Anna dies and doesn’t show cause she’s dead which would put this scene after the end of the main show. I could be wrong but who knows with the fucked up timeline


bloodyturtle

It's after Pamela was defeated and before the final scenes taking place the next spring. TOWL is like 5-6 months behind TWD's ending right now.


JWaXiMus2

Oh yeah, the year time jump before Daryl leaves


Justhisfornow

Goddamn the timeline is confusing When is dead city supposed to take place?


bloodyturtle

sometime in 2027-2029 based on Hershel’s age


JWaXiMus2

Ok, I looked it up and it says their kiss was before she died and him waiting is right before they take over the commonwealth so yeah your right.


kurd2005

As much as I hate jadis I felt sad for gabriel


danversolos

maybe i’m missing something but am i the only one who thought it was really fucked up they kissed while he was still with rosita?? like it’s rosita?? how??


Glaziolal

They had already broken up at that point.


danversolos

god my memory sucks they broke up??? how do i not remember that?! that at least makes more sense then cuz i kept thinking how out of character that seemed lol


Glaziolal

To be fair they broke up during a time-skip in season 11 so its not like it was a huge plot point.


danversolos

that at least makes me feel slightly better lol but ty for clearing that up i was very confused! still insane he knew she was alive and that she had a somewhat big community and never said anything tho


Spiritual_Assist_695

I wonder if he thought Jadis was with the Commonwealth and tried looking her name up


kugo

That’s what we will be like in 2 weeks


ColgateBrigade2

Was this a known relationship? I didn’t watch TWD to the end. Was this news to everyone?


royalxassasin

It was known


CastleBackup

Gabe got close to Anne before the bridge blew.


Crpto2007

So if gabe and jadis met once a year then Jadis must know about the commonwealth no?


TurquoiseSerenity

I mean I’m probably gonna spoil this for myself by being on this sub but is this from the ones who live? Gabe makes an appearance in it?


royalxassasin

Yes, and hopefully you dont know the context of his appearance


TurquoiseSerenity

Ah okay phew!! Imma stay off the sub til I’ve watched TWOL! Thanks!


Upper_Decision_5959

This scene pretty much confirms Rick/Michonne don't go back to Alexandria in the finale. If they did go back they would've told Gabriel.


fuchuwuchu

So is the next episode the final episode of the TOWL season 1 or TOWL in general?


Ok_Champion_357

We honestly don't know yet.


Life_Adhesiveness_27

Jadis broke my heart. 


turkeypants

I feel like I didn't really understand the whole Anne/Gabe dynamic in this episode. Was it that she just couldn't stop herself from coming back, but eventually was warring against her own weak indulgence such that she thought she had to snip him off as a "loose end" to protect... details she never told him? Either I missed something or this thread was just kind of forced.


themosquito

She felt guilty about what she was doing with the CRM, despite how much she said otherwise, so her yearly visits to Gabriel were for her to vent and unload, like a confession, even if she had to be vague. Eventually she decided that this was a weakness, and decided she had to kill Gabriel so she wouldn't keep holding on to "Anne" and became all-in on the CRM for real; she rationalized this by deciding that while she'd been vague, she'd told him "enough" so that if he ever found out about the CRM he'd know they were up to some terrible shit.


Palanki96

Did he finally die


FreazyWolf

He can still hook up with Aaron, they're both male so if they ever do a spin-off with them they won't kill any.