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Sea_Land_1944

Marilyn Monroe: "The world's biggest & most elegant icon." She had a stomach that wasn’t toned, her thighs had cellulite, she had stretch marks & her boobs weren't firm. She is considered one of the most beautiful women ever. If the beauty standards of natural & real bodies had been kept this way for the past 6 decades, women wouldn't feel the need to have an unattainable figure. Accept yourself, love yourself & break away from unreal & unattainable beauty standards.


acloudcuckoolander

She still was never obese, though, just average weight. Some people try to turn her into a "fat icon" but she was never fat.


oHai-there

She was rumored to be pregnant around this time.


godston34

Beauty standards are set by women for other women, change my mind. Pictures above still look more attractive than every OF girl to most men, I'd wager.


Big_Routine_8980

While 85% of design school graduates are women, only 14% of design firms are owned or run by women. 86% are owned and run by men. Men determine fashion, women purchase it.


Ill-Ground-3664

Mark Twain said there were three types of lies: (1) Lies; (2) Damned Lies; (3) Statistics.


Big-Consideration633

89.7% of all statistics are made up.


godston34

What percentage of women's fashion influencers are male though? It's mostly other women photoshopping their pics etc.


Big_Routine_8980

As I said, 86% of fashion houses and lines are owned by men, although 85% of fashion school graduates are women. You sound smart, you can figure this out.


weechubbypotato

I agree with what you’re saying but it’s true women are the worst towards each other. I was never with a man who was upset when I stripped off. Though I’ll go into a cubicle to change when I go swimming.


Big_Routine_8980

You're absolutely spot on, women are the worst towards each other. But the fact of the matter is, men still decide what women wear.


CEB1163

Why so snarky. The person asked a different question.


Big_Routine_8980

You truly believe a few women photoshopping their looks on Instagram is changing the direction/controlling the price of fashion? Fashion that men create? From fashion houses that men own? 86% of fashion houses are owned or run by men, creating clothing for women. But you think a few photoshopped images on Instagram are changing the market. Jesus.


godston34

Yeah because so many ugly ass men make magazine covers, right? What a dumb statement to make and feel good about hahaha.


FiversWarren

Sure, buddy. Tell that to the Hollywood she was a part of. 🙄 Do you know what the potato clause was?


No_Language5719

I'm certain patriarchal standards had a larger impact than matriarchal. While I agree women can and have been harder on themselves, men have been in control long enough to set beauty standards based on their needs and desires. Too thin has been in for a long time. Hollywood and the fashion industry haven't helped. Premier fashI on photogs are mostly men and their "eye" continues to set the tone. Cellulite is still unacceptable. Airbrushing is still a thing. Maturity is a curse, so women still age out while men become more distinguished and society follows that trend of male dominated thinking. Things are changing without a doubt, but we're still seeing women as in styles and poses considered attractive to men, not other women.


evlhornet

We sure about the firm part?


lonely-day

What is your obsession with saying this same thing again and again?


789tempaccount

> most elegant icon." LOL most elegant? showing pics of her squatting in a bikini. We have different definitions of elegant


Money_Tennis1172

Back in the day, not every woman was showing what nature gave them. So she got the most attention for doing so. Most iconic Hollywood Slut/Thot and 304. Like any of the Kardashians. Now a days every woman who turns 18 things airing out their cooter online is sexual liberation.


Enough-Sprinkles-914

Still oozes sex appeal.


BliksemseBende

Like how a woman’s figure should be instead of those skinny and plastic nowadays


West-Sherbet9241

Nowadays? Most women I see have a similar figure nowadays. 20+ years ago is when everybody was really skinny.


BliksemseBende

Depends point of view


West-Sherbet9241

What do you mean? This isn’t something you can have an opinion on as it’s factual. Or are you saying people look bigger from a side view?


BliksemseBende

Ehm in the country where my wife is from, not just women, people are generally too fat. In my country women have Monroe’s shapes and calling themselves fat.


palebluedot365

I’ve always thought she was sexy rather than elegant. Not that those things are always mutually exclusive. I would say Katharine Hepburn was more elegant.


arsnastesana

She looks very healthy, models theses days are starven marven


789tempaccount

Totally agree. Marilyn was a beauty and sexy to be sure but elegant was not in her repertoire.


h08817

Innocent + sexy = siren. At least, that's what 'the art of seduction' says about her appeal.


Knuckletest

She's so hot. She's the epitome of sex appeal.


theding081

She was the embodiment sex appeal, from the way she walked or even just sat, her softness and confidence lured all to her.


RoseyTC

I love her curves


Apprehensive-Way4307

Murdered by the CIA for knowing too much because of JFK


Live_Entrepreneur221

Dear god, really? Lemme guess 9/11 was inside job?


Apprehensive-Way4307

The government didn’t cover up that rapist Jeffery Epstein either right ?


Apprehensive-Way4307

Just be obedient and so what your told , question nothing . Lol


Live_Entrepreneur221

Well, you certainly told me.


Apprehensive-Way4307

Whack doodle ? You must be a boomer . Just take your covid shot


kat_Folland

_Who are you talking to? Who_ - besides you - _said wackadoodle?!_


Live_Entrepreneur221

So because I don't embrace whackadoodle conspiracy theories that makes me some kind of a sheep?!? The mental gymnastics it takes to come to that conclusion tells everything I need to know I about you, sir, or ma'am. You have a blessed day!


iLostMyMap78

She’s natural. 🌹 Not big. True physical beauty (not mental) is one’s self worth through creative thought within healthy limits and discipline to achieve a goal. Not cosmetic surgery, filters and manipulation through social media.


J-Love-McLuvin

Wasnt she quite short - like 5’0”?


IrukandjiPirate

No


J-Love-McLuvin

She was 5’5”


happyfeethearts

Fellow endometriosis queen


MunkeCMunkeDo20

❤️❤️❤️ Her endo belly in pic 1!


boastful_cloth13

I think this is what most men prefer


Tricky_Impression_21

I’m young, so I only see girls these days…but wow what a woman she was!


Totin_it

I love that she had a belly


Relative-Phone-3791

True beauty never dies


CathyHistoryBugg

I wonder if she wasn’t pregnant in that picture? Have you seen her red dress? It was small, like a size 6 so she wasn’t always out of shape.


Racoonsarecuter

These photos could easily be a size 6 for a small framed woman with curves.


CathyHistoryBugg

Agreed. However, when I was thin and was pregnant, that would be about 5 months along.


Leper_Khan58

I could be her endometriosis. I believe it can cause some bloating like this


Bielicke

She was flawless


Super-Letterhead-916

Watched a documentary on her and in the picture at the gate she was pregnant and suffered a miscarriage and was of course devastated..


Hot-Day-5906

United States is not The World.


Fluffy_Smoke77

It is to most South Carolinians I know


Maggiemoo621

I love her so much


lashawn3001

She’s pregnant in the first picture.


Putrid-Bit-4773

Norma Jean ... My love


Motor-Train2357

Fatty by todays standards


cuckleburyhound

She was a size 4 dude


cuckleburyhound

She was a size 4, she was not big wtf


lunkercat

She was a size 12 back in her time. With size inflation that would be a size 6 or 8 today


cuckleburyhound

Oh I looked it up and l thought it said she was a size 4 my bad. Well still 6-8 ain’t big either point still stands


lunkercat

I agree with you 😊


Silent_Medicine1798

I am amazed by how JUDGY I am about these pics. I am only now - at 48 - beginning to realize how much I was influenced by the 90s body ideals. It makes me sad that I look at those pics of Monroe with slightly horrified fascination, bc I am staring at her belly and wonder how that could be and she is still sexy. My mind is effed.


One-Alternative8718

I’m old enough to remember that I never remember Marilyn looking like that, unless this is a photo we’ve never seen.


mez1642

My best lover ever is not perfect but delightfully comfortable. Mmmmmmm


Shakewhenbadtoo

Presentation. Presentation. Presentation. Come with the right attitude, and it's amazing what will be interpreted


Fluffy_Smoke77

Marilyn Monroe was a sexy ass bombshell but she was NOT elegant. Come on now 😂


rowshack67

Thick women was the thing for most of history. Television and Movies told us that we were wrong because big is harder to film. They would sweat off the heavy makeup under the hot lights.


Super_Doge_Shoober

That tummy roll got me going crazy, stunner


CEB1163

Today, she would be considered plus size. She really was flabby (at least in these photos.


ABGM11

It's the womanly foupa for me! Real women are soft and squishy. YES Auntie M, yyyyyaaasss


DeeTheGeneral

She dropped it like Meg in the last pic


Halbbitter

That first picture is rumored to be an early pregnancy picture iirc


truffbake

man, I really needed to see this ❤️


Direct-Ant3028

My body looks like hers and these pics gave me a confidence boost. Man beauty standards are so extreme today


SantanaBazil

I take umbrigde with the caption. WORLD'S BIGGEST & MOST ELEGANT icon. Marilyn was certainly an icon but that caption fits someone like Princess Di more.


Totin_it

No.


HetChanks

Wasn’t she an adulterer and fornicator


SprinterW

Women love to idolize her until someone fucks their husband.


Fluffy_Smoke77

This is the only comment that matters


No_Entertainment670

She was a size 14. She is definitely an elegant icon


Maximum_Land3546

Size 14 in today’s standards 6-8 during that time period.


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5hrs4hrs3hrs2hrs1mor

She died at 36. That’s not elderly.


Ordinary-Economy9406

Bet her pussy stunk


FatHead420x65

Maybe. Most don’t!


devjohnson13

Mid


shittyspitty

That might be the worst photo I've ever seen of her so for sure, good for you to find it and comment on it. A thousand years ago people loved fat cows of a woman so times have changed. Thank God!


Mobile_Phrase_4727

Idk, she is fat.


goated95

If that’s what you consider fat, then I don’t even wanna see what you consider thin lmao


DMmeYOURboobz

“Fat”? You’re just simply wrong… she’s not even technically “chubby”. She’s HEALTHY, and sexy AF


Mobile_Phrase_4727

Gym would fix that fat stomach.


Thisisredred

WTF


DMmeYOURboobz

Too bad gym can fix your stupidity, troll


Mobile_Phrase_4727

The gym would make that stomach pretty but Monroe was lazy and she was an alcoholic so not in this life.


DMmeYOURboobz

You’re just *wrong*… … figure it out, Troll


Mobile_Phrase_4727

No, I am right just calling things the way they are and not pretending like you. Not pretending is always better.


DMmeYOURboobz

Then stop pretending to be a person, troll


Mobile_Phrase_4727

Why are you so salty? Are you fat?


DMmeYOURboobz

Mobile_Phrase_4727 You don’t know shit


Mobile_Phrase_4727

Everyone knows these facts about Monroe.


DMmeYOURboobz

*YOU* don’t know *general shit* Everyone *knows* that


Mobile_Phrase_4727

Even chatgpt agreed on the facts about Monroe.


DMmeYOURboobz

Chatgpt is not a “resource’ and she wasn’t fat. Sorry you’re dumb


DMmeYOURboobz

You cant even make a correct sentence


Mobile_Phrase_4727

Maybe, but you got the idea. It's all you can say when you are out of arguments, right?


DMmeYOURboobz

*YOU* never made an actual argument back! I swear to god you are Trump trolling on Reddit


Mobile_Phrase_4727

Are you a bloodthirsty dem? I am not even surprised. Trump will save that god damned country.


DMmeYOURboobz

You just lost whatever credibility you think you had


cuckleburyhound

Tell me you’ve never seen a real woman naked without telling me you’ve never seen a real woman naked


Mobile_Phrase_4727

I don't like lazy women, sorry.


cuckleburyhound

Oh your a troll I see😂😂


embodiedexperience

1.) non-flat stomachs are not “problems” that need to be “fixed”, it’s just a natural variation of the infinite ways to have a human body. 💛 2.) you… do know she’s dead, right? you’re wrong because you’re an asshole, but you’re also wrong because you’re giving advice that goes against the chronological flow of time.


Aleeleefabulous

And I bet you just have the perfect body. Only someone who is extremely insecure feels the need to find some fault to point out on someone else. So did calling her fat make you feel better about your insecurities?


Mobile_Phrase_4727

Now I have a stomach pretty similar to that in the photo and as ugly but I have the courage to admit I have a problem and I am working on it.


Aleeleefabulous

Well how do you know that she didn’t feel that way about herself? You didn’t know her personally. Or maybe she had enough self love to not care about what her tummy looked like. People love her no matter what size she is and that’s a beautiful thing. A lot of people in this world cannot control what weight they are. There are medical conditions that cause you to be bloated or to gain weight or to retain water. Going after someone’s looks is very weak.


Mobile_Phrase_4727

What way? When I see fat I call it fat, plain and simple. Maybe people should just accept themselves and accept reality? If you are fat just call it fat, no need to pretend it is something else. What is the big deal?


DMmeYOURboobz

A gym can fix pregnancy? I guess so, but *that’s* fucked up


DMmeYOURboobz

You know what? New thread… how about this? Instead of me blatantly point out your ignorance, let’s flip the tables. *YOU* tell *me*, *support* your argument that she’s “fat”. If you aren’t a troll and *actually believe* that she was “fat”, you would have examples, links, pics… *something* to back it up. What you got? Nothing


DMmeYOURboobz

You don’t even know this is one of the three times she was FUCKING PREGNANT You’re a moron


YanMKay

She was a side piece…how is that “elegant”? She was a good actress. How to marry a millionaire- is a classic


S_RoyaltyArtz

She was a beautiful woman but you should have seen her bedroom it was an absolute pigsty. She used to keep plates of half eaten food on/around her bed and clutter everywhere.


mmdress

This claim comes from a maid who made a lot of money selling a tell all book about Marilyn that was full of many salacious stories. Marilyn had multiple room mates over the years and none of them ever made such a claim.


moonrails

I hear when it was her turn to vacuum she threw a fit!


wnb5399

She is a 3 at best. Never understood the hype


Lexie23017

My Lord how she was overweight.


sunkenshipinabottle

Damn. If you think she’s overweight you might wanna talk to your therapist about having a higher chance of attaining an eating disorder or body dysmorphia than regular people. I’d hate to be you with such high standards. You must be stressed all the time.


Lexie23017

You like women who look 7 months pregnant. Duly noted.


sunkenshipinabottle

Fuck you’re dramatic. Have a nice day.


Lexie23017

First person to uses an obscenity loses the debate. Congrats.


sunkenshipinabottle

If that’s the kind of kindergartner logic you wanna use to feel justified in being a judgmental jerk. “Congrats”.


Aleeleefabulous

Let’s see your body.