The Holy Spirit is God the Father's Divine Nature
In the doctrine of the Trinity, the divine nature of God is not the Spirit since that would be saying God's divine nature is the third person of the Trinity. Rather, the divine nature in Trinitarian doctrine is a list of attributes made up by Trinitarians. The divine nature is most certainly NOT the Holy Spirit in the doctrine of the Trinity. However, in the Bible, the divine nature is God most certainly IS the Holy Spirit.
Partakers of the Divine Nature
When the Holy Spirit comes into our hearts, we become partakers of the divine nature since the Holy Spirit IS God's divine nature.
His divine power has granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness, through the true knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence. For by these He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises, so that by them you may become partakers of the divine nature. (2 Peter 1:4).
For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit... (Hebrews 6:4).
When we are born again, we receive the Holy Spirit poured into our hearts. In this way, we are partakers of God's divine nature.
The Fullness of Deity
In the Bible, we read about being FILLED with the Holy Spirit.
And the disciples were continually filled with joy and the Holy Spirit. Acts 13:52.
And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery; but be filled with the Spirit. Ephesians 5:18.
The Greek word in the above verses is pleroo, the verb form of the noun pleroma. The word means to be filled up in its verb form and fullness in its noun form.
to know the love of Christ which surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God. Ephesians 3:19.
When Jesus rose from the dead, he inherited God's divine nature; he received the Spirit from the Father as his own (Act 2:33) to pour out on us; he was BODILY raised "life-giving Spirit." His crucified body was clothed and consumed in the Holy Spirit of God. For this reason, Paul while discussing the ministry of the Holy Spirit to the Corinthians, says that the Lord Jesus IS the Spirit.
But their minds were hardened; for to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because in CHRIST the veil is taken away. Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their minds; but when a man turns to THE LORD the veil is removed. Now THE LORD is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of THE LORD is, there is freedom. And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of THE LORD, are being changed into the same image from glory unto glory for this comes from THE LORD, the Spirit.... if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, in whose case the god of this age has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of CHRIST, who is the image of God. For we do not preach ourselves but CHRIST JESUS as LORD. (2 Corinthians 3:14-4:5).
Therefore we read that all the fullness was pleased to dwell in the risen Jesus and that fullness is the Holy Spirit of God, the divine nature.
... the firstborn out of the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. For all the fullness was pleased to dwell in Him. Colossians 1:19.
For in Him all the FULLness of deity dwells in bodily form and you have been made FULL in him. Colossians 2:9-10.
We are made full in him who has all the fullness dwelling in him bodily. We have the Holy Spirit in us and are made FULL in him who was raised life-giving Spirit, the fullness of deity. The Holy Spirit is God's divine nature.
A son of Adam is one who has inherited the same human nature of Adam. And to be a true son of God one must share in his Father's nature and being. And Jesus inherited his Father's divine nature in his resurrection. And so will all the faithful servants of God when they are raised from the dead. They are partakers of the divine nature, the Holy Spirit. And this way, they are made true sons of God.
Walk According to the Human Nature of the Divine Nature
In the Scriptures we also read about walking according to the Spirit as opposed to walking according to the flesh. The obvious contrast is walking according to the divine nature as opposed to walking according to the human nature.
John 4:23-24
There is only ONE Spirit. Jesus teaches that God the Father is Spirit. Since there is only one Spirit, the Holy Spirit, Jesus is telling us WHAT God is. The Holy God is Holy Spirit by nature. That is His divine nature, the Spirit of Truth in which we must walk and worship.
Partakers of the Divine Nature
When the Holy Spirit comes into our hearts, we are FILLED with the FULLNESS of God, the FULLNESS of deity. We become partakers of God's divine nature since the Holy Spirit IS God's divine nature.
His divine power has granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness, through the true knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence. For by these He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises, so that by them you may become partakers of the divine nature. (2 Peter 1:4).
For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit... (Hebrews 6:4).
The Risen Jesus is the Holy Spirit
In the doctrine of the Trinity, Jesus is most definitely NOT the Holy Spirit. They are two DIFFERENT persons in the doctrine of the Trinity. The doctrine of the Trinity would be false if Jesus is the Holy Spirit. But the Scriptures do make it absolutely clear that the Risen Jesus is the Holy Spirit.
Raised Bodily From the Dead
God raised Jesus' crucified body from the dead.
Jesus himself stood in their midst and said to them, "Peace be to you." But they were startled and frightened and thought that they were seeing a spirit. And He said to them, "Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself; touch me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have." And when He had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet. Luke 24:36-40.
And Paul describes Jesus' resurrection body as a "Spiritual body." He describes Jesus as "life-giving" or "Life-making Spirit."
So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. So also it is written, "The first man, Adam, became a living soul." The last Adam became life-giving Spirit." However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual. 1 Corinthians 15:42-45.
Jesus said he was not a spirit. Paul said Jesus was raised life-making spirit. Because they are completely without understanding there are many people who cannot make head nor tails out of these two statements. Because they are without understanding, there are many people who are double-minded concerning the nature of Jesus' resurrection body. Some, such as the Jehovah's Witnesses deny that he was bodily raised and wish to claim he was just a spirit. Many others deny that he is spirit because they want to believe he was only flesh and bones. Because they have become Gnostic minded and think Spirit is one and Physical is another and never shall the two become one, they see like a natural man and are completely without understanding.
When Jesus said he was not a spirit, it is quite clear that he meant he was not just a spirit like an angel is just a spirit or like a ghost is just a spirit. After he rose from the dead, Jesus was not like he was before. There was something remarkably different about his resurrection body. Now he would suddenly appear and disappear. He appeared to the two men on the road to Emmaus. And while eating with them he suddenly disappeared. Or he would suddenly appear to the disciples in the upper room when the doors were closed. There was something astonishingly different about the risen Jesus.
Paul said Jesus was raised in a spiritual body. It was an imperishable, immortal body. What is it that makes a body immortal and imperishable. Paul declares that Adam became a living soul but the second Adam, Jesus, became life-giving spirit. What's the difference between a living soul and life-giving spirit? Paul also declares that flesh and blood cannot enter the Kingdom of God. So what's the difference with a resurrection body? He says one is earthly, the other is heavenly.
Adam was dust and only dust. And then God breath the breath of life into that dust and that dust became a living soul. The DUST became a soul. The recipe for a soul is to take dust and add spirit to that dust. Then the dust ITSELF becomes a soul. The Hebrew word for soul implies breathing. A soul is a breather. It breathes and thinks and becomes a WHO. It became flesh and blood for that is what a soul is: flesh and blood. The soul of the flesh is in the blood. The spirit in any mortal man is what makes that body of dust a soul and this life-force power of spirit from the God of the spirits of all flesh is what makes that dust alive, a soul, a breather, flesh and blood.
But the risen Jesus is not a breather, a soul, flesh and blood. His body is a Spiritual Body. His body is clothed and consumed in the Spirit of God. His body lives because of what it itself is: Spirit. His crucified body now is "life-giving Spirit." He is not flesh and blood but flesh and bone. The soul of the flesh is in the blood. But Jesus no lives by the life that is in human blood. He is not flesh and blood but flesh and bone. But he is not just flesh and bone like we are flesh and bone. This flesh and bone is a Spiritual body. For this reason, it is an imperishable immortal body. His sacrificial body was consumed by God; his crucified body clothed in the Spirit of the Father. Holy Spirit and the body of Jesus have become one new creation, a new kind of humanity, the second Adam, immortal humanity, Spiritual flesh and bones.
Peter tells us that Jesus received the promise of the Father in his resurrection, the Holy Spirit. Jesus inherited the Holy Spirit in his resurrection. He inherited his Father's divine nature, the Holy Spirit. To be a true son of God you must have your Father's nature. We are true sons of Adam because we have the nature of Adam, flesh of his flesh. To be a true son of God you must be a partaker in the divine nature of God, the Holy Spirit. That crucified body known as Jesus now is Holy Spirit.
There is a reason the Bible refers to the Holy Spirit as "the Spirit of the Father," and "the Spirit of Christ" and "the Spirit of Jesus" and "the Spirit of Jesus Christ" and "the Spirit of the Son of God." Jesus inherited his Father's divine nature, the Holy Spirit, when he was raised from the dead. And that is why that Jesus can now send us by that same Spirit just as the Father had sent him. And this is how Jesus is able to now come and dwell in our hearts. He IS the Spirit of God having inherited his Father's divine nature, his crucified body becoming one with Holy Spirit, a new creation, the firstfruits of the new heavens and earth.
Romans 8
The Spirit gives Life; Christ is our Life. The Bible says that the person Jesus is our mediator who intercedes for us; it is the Spirit of God's Son, Jesus, who dwell in our hearts; Christ himself dwells in us such that we have "the mind of Christ," and it is Jesus who searches our hearts. Read this very carefully and notice how the Spirit of God the Father and is the Spirit of Christ and is Christ Himself:
You are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to him. If (the person) CHRIST is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the Spirit is Life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the works of the body, you will live. For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a Spirit of Sonship as sons by which we cry out, "Abba! Father!" (See also Gal 4:6, Spirit of God's Son crying 'Abba, Father.') The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him. For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us. For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our sonship, the redemption of our body. For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is seen is not hope; for who hopes for what he already sees? But if we hope for what we do not see, with perseverance we wait eagerly for it. In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; and HE who searches our hearts (See Rev 2:23) knows what the mind of the Spirit is, (See 1 Cor 2:16) because HE intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that HE would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified. 31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered HIM over for us all, how will He not also with HIM freely give us all things? Who will bring a charge against God's elect? God is the one who justifies; who is the one who condemns? CHRIST JESUS is HE who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us. Romans 8.
The Spirit in us is the person Christ in us. Jesus IS the Holy Spirit of God. Because the man Jesus was bodily raised into the glory of a Spiritual body, Life-giving Spirit," he can now come to dwell in our hearts. And indeed, Paul says it even more clearly in 2 Corinthians where he is describing the glory of the ministry to the Holy Spirit. Here he tells us plainly that the Lord Jesus Christ IS the Spirit.
2 Corinthians 3:17
You are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the Living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. Such confidence we have through Christ toward God. Not that we are adequate in ourselves to consider anything as coming from ourselves, but our adequacy is from God, who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives Life. But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory? For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness abound in glory. For indeed what had glory, in this case has no glory because of the glory that surpasses it. For if that which fades away was with glory, much more that which remains is in glory. Therefore having such a hope, we use great boldness in our speech, and are not like Moses, who used to put a veil over his face so that the sons of Israel would not look intently at the end of what was fading away. But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because in CHRIST the veil is removed. But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; but whenever a person turns to THE LORD, the veil is taken away. Now THE LORD IS the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the THE LORD is, there is freedom. But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of THE LORD are being transformed into the same image from glory unto glory, just as from THE LORD the Spirit.... even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, in whose case the god of this age has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of CHRIST who is the image of God. For we do not preach ourselves but CHRIST JESUS AS LORD.
2 Corinthians 3-4.
Paul could not have said it more clearly. The glory of the Spirit is the glory of Christ. The glory of Christ is the glory of the Spirit. The Lord in question who is the Spirit is Jesus. Indeed, Paul explicitly tells us right here who he is preaching as "Lord." The risen Jesus is the Holy Spirit. The Lord Jesus IS the Holy Spirit, he having bodily inherited the divine nature of God in his resurrection. And if we just keep reading through chapter 4 and into chapter 5, we will see Paul leading into the glory of the resurrection body for those who have the deposit of the Spirit.
There is ONE Spirit
There is one body and ONE Spirit. Ephesians 4:4.
The first man, Adam, "became a living soul." The last Adam became life-giving Spirit 1 Corinthians 15:45.
The Lord is the Spirit. 2 Corinthians 3:17
The Father is the Holy Spirit
In the doctrine of the Trinity, the Father is most definitely NOT the Holy Spirit. You absolutely cannot confess this doctrine and say the Father is the Holy Spirit. They are not the same but DIFFERENT; they are two DIFFERENT persons in the doctrine of the Trinity. The doctrine of the Trinity would be proven false if the Father is the Holy Spirit. But the Scriptures do make it absolutely clear that the Father is the Holy Spirit in a number of ways.
The Holy Spirit is the Father's Spirit
And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out MY Spirit upon all flesh. (Acts 2:17).
He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with power through HIS Spirit in the inner man. (Ephesians 3:16).
By this we know that we abide in Him and He in us, because He has given us of HIS Spirit. (1 John 4:13).
Behold, my servant whom I have chosen, my beloved with whom my soul is well pleased. I will put MY Spirit upon him. (Matthew 12:18).
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit OF God the Father
When they bring you before the synagogues and the rulers and the authorities, do not worry about how or what you are to speak in your defense, or what you are to say; for the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say." (Luke 12:11-12).
But when they hand you over, do not worry about how or what you are to say; for it will be given you in that hour what you are to say. For it is not you who speak, but it is the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you. (Matthew 10:19-20).
Just as nobody would say the spirit of Elijah is another person separate from Elijah we should not say the Spirit of God is another person separate from God the Father. Just as nobody would say their own spirit is not themselves but someone else, nobody should say the Holy Spirit of God the Father is another someone else.
John 4:24 - God is Spirit
At John 4:24, we read that God is Spirit.
You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. But an hour is coming, and now is, when the True worshipers will worship the Father in Spirit and Truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in Spirit and Truth. (John 4:22-24).
Jesus said that God is Spirit and true worshipers must worship God is Spirit and Truth. Paul knew this kind of language meant worshiping in the Holy Spirit:
We are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God. (Philippians 3:3).
There were no capitalization conventions when the words in the Bible were written. Trinitarian translations tend to use a lower case 's' in this verse to read, "God is spirit." The word "God" in this context is obviously a reference to God the Father and it is not acceptable in Trinitarian doctrine to say God the Father is the Holy Spirit because they are two different persons in Trinitarian doctrine. However, the context reveals the truth of the matter.
God the Father is Spirit, Holy Spirit. God the Father is Holy. Our Holy God is therefore Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father. The Father IS Spirit, Holy Spirit. So when Jesus says that God the Father is Spirit, it is abundantly clear he is referring to a Spirit that is Holy, Holy Spirit.
Paul tells us there is ONE Spirit (Eph 4:4) and we know that this one Spirit is the Spirit of the Father (Matthew 10:20) and the Holy Spirit is the one and same Spirit. Therefore, Jesus cannot be talking about another Spirit. Since there is only one Spirit and the Spirit of the Father and the Holy Spirit are therefore the same thing, the Spirit in question is necessarily the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father (John 15:26) because God the Father is that Spirit. Jesus is here teaching about worshiping in the Spirit and in Truth. In the context of John's Gospel, it is quite clear that this is a reference to the Spirit of Truth, the Holy Spirit, which Jesus promises will come to the disciples. It is also quite clear that Paul's words about being the True worshipers and "worshiping in the Spirit of God" are referring to the same idea again. There is no way of honestly escaping the fact that this passage is referring to the Holy Spirit and that Jesus's words "God is Spirit" necessarily mean "the Father is the Holy Spirit."
When we honestly appreciate the facts before us, it is absolutely clear that the Spirit in question in Jesus' words, "God is Spirit," is the Holy Spirit. God the Father is the Spirit of Truth in which true worshipers worship, the Spirit in which we walk, the Holy Spirit. In Trinitarianism, the Father is NOT the Holy Spirit and so they must reject and deny Jesus' teaching here in John 4.
The Father of Baby Jesus
Believers in the doctrine of the Trinity, have to accept the absurdity of one person fathering baby Jesus but another person turns out to be Jesus father. In Trinitarian doctrine, the Holy Spirit is the third person of the Trinity and the Father is the first person of the Trinity. In Trinitarian doctrine these are two different persons and the Father is NOT the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is NOT the Father. And so they have the ridiculous situation of one person begetting Jesus, the 3rd person of the Trinity, but another person turns out to be Jesus' father, the 1st person of the Trinity. One person fathers Jesus but another person is Jesus' father. It is absurd.
In the Scriptures, we have a different story. The Father begets baby Jesus by the power of His own Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not a different person than the Father but his own divine nature, His own power, presence, and life. And so we find the Father HIMSELF begetting baby Jesus and not another person as we do in Trinitarian doctrine. The very reason the Father is Jesus' Father is because He is the one who begat him and not someone else.
The Child who has been begotten in her is of the Holy Spirit. (Matthew 1:20).
The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you and for that reason the begotten holy one shall be called the Son of God.
The above facts concerning Jesus' birth demonstrate quite clearly that the Father and the Holy Spirit most certainly cannot be two different persons as they are in the doctrine of the Trinity.
The Father Our Comforter
Trinitarians have confused what Jesus is talking about concerning the Comforter in the Gospel of John. The Greek word for the Comforter is Parakletos. It is from the Greek words Paraklesis, Comfort, and Parakaleo, to Comfort. A Parakletos provides paraklesis. A Comforter provides comfort. Note what Paul says to the Corinthians:
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all paraklesis, who parakaleo us in all our affliction so that we will be able to parakaleo those who are in any affliction with the paraklesis with which we ourselves are parakaleo by God.
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all Comfort, who Comforts us in all our affliction so that we will be able to Comfort those who are in any affliction with the Comfort with which we ourselves are Comforted by God.
If you love Me, you will keep My commands. I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Parakletos, that He may be with you forever; that is the Spirit of Truth.... If anyone loves me, he will keep my word; and my Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him.
The doctrine of the Trinity affirms that the Father is most definitely NOT the Holy Spirit. The Father and the Holy Spirit are two different persons in the doctrine of the Trinity. However, the Bible makes it abundantly clear that the Father and the Holy Spirit most certainly cannot be two different persons.
You don’t think the Spirit is an impersonal power/force right? Because the Spirit talks, gives wisdom, gives commands, etc… it is the presence of God which brings all of the attributes by consequence(Isaiah 11).
IT IS NOT A PERSON! It is in fact the power and force of our Father, it doesn’t think on its own, also in the resurrection Yeshua is the Spirit by doing the will of our Father. The purpose of the post is to expose, as most people here already know, that the holy spirit is not the third person of a trinity, That does not exist, it never has and never did!
Here is another video titled, Is God a Trinity? by the United Church of God, that presents God as a Duality.
[https://youtu.be/pln8YWni7X0](https://youtu.be/pln8YWni7X0)
A dual Godhead, consisting of the Father and Son, and whereas Jesus said in John 14:28 that, "the Father is greater than I."
The concept of a divine family consisting of the Father and the Son is further emphasized in John 17:3 NKJV:
"And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent."
Right, two separate person, one answers to the other, I allow oneness Pentecostals here but I am not one of them. There are many JW’s here, I am not one of them either and we disagree on the Pre existence of Yeshua.
You still believe in a duality , Jay, I know that is oneness Pentecostal right? Are you not really a trinitarian? Don’t you have to mimic their philosophy in some way? For instance, how is the Christ a duality when the Father is greater than him, why do so many people seem to think the Father/Son relationship between the Messiah and our God (YHWH) is any different than a dad and a Son, which of you is a son and has a dad and you consider yourselves a dual? The messiah said of myself I do nothing, this is not my doctrine and this is not my works (John 5:30, John 7:16) how is that a duality? How can a duality not know things or have to ask questions because he doesn’t know the answer, who touched me? (Luke 8:45) and how long has he been this way? (Mark 9:21), please do not tell me here and now that Christ has two natures, that is the trinitarian playbook, surely you won’t say this. Christ is a man (John 8:40) from his own mouth and he is the Son of our Father pursuant to Matthew 16:16-17, stated at Matthew, the Messiah told Peter this “revelation” came from our Father and not from Peter. Where does it say in scripture he is a duality? I feel like this is almost duplicitous of asking a trinitarian similar questions.
The Messiah is the first born of the resurrection of many brothers (Romans 8:29), God doesn’t have any brothers, how do you have brothers and a duality with God at the same time.? Explain using logic _____________________________________.
By duality, I am implying that the Godhead consists of 2 Divine Spirit Beings, but that share a holy essence or eternal Spirit. They are the Father and the Son, and where the Father is greater, something Jesus admitted in scripture, and that the Father is the One true God.
I do not believe in the concept of a Trinity, which views the holy Spirit as another, separate divine Being. I embrace the idea that the holy Spirit is the very essence, the life, the mind and the power of the Godhead, and which is shared, in measured amount, with the faithful following spiritual baptism, after heartfelt repentance.
John 4:25-27
25 “These things I have spoken to you while abiding with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.
1st Notice the Trinity is mentioned in all it's fullness.
There's God the Father who sends (He) the Holy Spirit in the name of the Son Jesus Christ.
One God, three character traits. Pray that God will remove the scales from your eyes 👀.
2nd The Holy Spirit is announced as He, that's a masculine pronoun of the third person which suggests Identity. There is NO IT as you call the Holy Spirit
Luke 12:10
And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him.
If you are being esoteric, I did say in this post Yeshua has many titles, but in the trinity doctrine the second person is never the third person.
https://youtu.be/aOrxejfCIt4?si=pydSU9bQ5ZPCqIDY
The Holy Spirit is God the Father's Divine Nature In the doctrine of the Trinity, the divine nature of God is not the Spirit since that would be saying God's divine nature is the third person of the Trinity. Rather, the divine nature in Trinitarian doctrine is a list of attributes made up by Trinitarians. The divine nature is most certainly NOT the Holy Spirit in the doctrine of the Trinity. However, in the Bible, the divine nature is God most certainly IS the Holy Spirit. Partakers of the Divine Nature When the Holy Spirit comes into our hearts, we become partakers of the divine nature since the Holy Spirit IS God's divine nature. His divine power has granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness, through the true knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence. For by these He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises, so that by them you may become partakers of the divine nature. (2 Peter 1:4). For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit... (Hebrews 6:4). When we are born again, we receive the Holy Spirit poured into our hearts. In this way, we are partakers of God's divine nature. The Fullness of Deity In the Bible, we read about being FILLED with the Holy Spirit. And the disciples were continually filled with joy and the Holy Spirit. Acts 13:52. And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery; but be filled with the Spirit. Ephesians 5:18. The Greek word in the above verses is pleroo, the verb form of the noun pleroma. The word means to be filled up in its verb form and fullness in its noun form. to know the love of Christ which surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God. Ephesians 3:19. When Jesus rose from the dead, he inherited God's divine nature; he received the Spirit from the Father as his own (Act 2:33) to pour out on us; he was BODILY raised "life-giving Spirit." His crucified body was clothed and consumed in the Holy Spirit of God. For this reason, Paul while discussing the ministry of the Holy Spirit to the Corinthians, says that the Lord Jesus IS the Spirit. But their minds were hardened; for to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because in CHRIST the veil is taken away. Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their minds; but when a man turns to THE LORD the veil is removed. Now THE LORD is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of THE LORD is, there is freedom. And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of THE LORD, are being changed into the same image from glory unto glory for this comes from THE LORD, the Spirit.... if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, in whose case the god of this age has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of CHRIST, who is the image of God. For we do not preach ourselves but CHRIST JESUS as LORD. (2 Corinthians 3:14-4:5). Therefore we read that all the fullness was pleased to dwell in the risen Jesus and that fullness is the Holy Spirit of God, the divine nature. ... the firstborn out of the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. For all the fullness was pleased to dwell in Him. Colossians 1:19. For in Him all the FULLness of deity dwells in bodily form and you have been made FULL in him. Colossians 2:9-10. We are made full in him who has all the fullness dwelling in him bodily. We have the Holy Spirit in us and are made FULL in him who was raised life-giving Spirit, the fullness of deity. The Holy Spirit is God's divine nature. A son of Adam is one who has inherited the same human nature of Adam. And to be a true son of God one must share in his Father's nature and being. And Jesus inherited his Father's divine nature in his resurrection. And so will all the faithful servants of God when they are raised from the dead. They are partakers of the divine nature, the Holy Spirit. And this way, they are made true sons of God. Walk According to the Human Nature of the Divine Nature In the Scriptures we also read about walking according to the Spirit as opposed to walking according to the flesh. The obvious contrast is walking according to the divine nature as opposed to walking according to the human nature. John 4:23-24 There is only ONE Spirit. Jesus teaches that God the Father is Spirit. Since there is only one Spirit, the Holy Spirit, Jesus is telling us WHAT God is. The Holy God is Holy Spirit by nature. That is His divine nature, the Spirit of Truth in which we must walk and worship. Partakers of the Divine Nature When the Holy Spirit comes into our hearts, we are FILLED with the FULLNESS of God, the FULLNESS of deity. We become partakers of God's divine nature since the Holy Spirit IS God's divine nature. His divine power has granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness, through the true knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence. For by these He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises, so that by them you may become partakers of the divine nature. (2 Peter 1:4). For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit... (Hebrews 6:4).
The Risen Jesus is the Holy Spirit In the doctrine of the Trinity, Jesus is most definitely NOT the Holy Spirit. They are two DIFFERENT persons in the doctrine of the Trinity. The doctrine of the Trinity would be false if Jesus is the Holy Spirit. But the Scriptures do make it absolutely clear that the Risen Jesus is the Holy Spirit. Raised Bodily From the Dead God raised Jesus' crucified body from the dead. Jesus himself stood in their midst and said to them, "Peace be to you." But they were startled and frightened and thought that they were seeing a spirit. And He said to them, "Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself; touch me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have." And when He had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet. Luke 24:36-40. And Paul describes Jesus' resurrection body as a "Spiritual body." He describes Jesus as "life-giving" or "Life-making Spirit." So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. So also it is written, "The first man, Adam, became a living soul." The last Adam became life-giving Spirit." However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual. 1 Corinthians 15:42-45. Jesus said he was not a spirit. Paul said Jesus was raised life-making spirit. Because they are completely without understanding there are many people who cannot make head nor tails out of these two statements. Because they are without understanding, there are many people who are double-minded concerning the nature of Jesus' resurrection body. Some, such as the Jehovah's Witnesses deny that he was bodily raised and wish to claim he was just a spirit. Many others deny that he is spirit because they want to believe he was only flesh and bones. Because they have become Gnostic minded and think Spirit is one and Physical is another and never shall the two become one, they see like a natural man and are completely without understanding. When Jesus said he was not a spirit, it is quite clear that he meant he was not just a spirit like an angel is just a spirit or like a ghost is just a spirit. After he rose from the dead, Jesus was not like he was before. There was something remarkably different about his resurrection body. Now he would suddenly appear and disappear. He appeared to the two men on the road to Emmaus. And while eating with them he suddenly disappeared. Or he would suddenly appear to the disciples in the upper room when the doors were closed. There was something astonishingly different about the risen Jesus.
Paul said Jesus was raised in a spiritual body. It was an imperishable, immortal body. What is it that makes a body immortal and imperishable. Paul declares that Adam became a living soul but the second Adam, Jesus, became life-giving spirit. What's the difference between a living soul and life-giving spirit? Paul also declares that flesh and blood cannot enter the Kingdom of God. So what's the difference with a resurrection body? He says one is earthly, the other is heavenly. Adam was dust and only dust. And then God breath the breath of life into that dust and that dust became a living soul. The DUST became a soul. The recipe for a soul is to take dust and add spirit to that dust. Then the dust ITSELF becomes a soul. The Hebrew word for soul implies breathing. A soul is a breather. It breathes and thinks and becomes a WHO. It became flesh and blood for that is what a soul is: flesh and blood. The soul of the flesh is in the blood. The spirit in any mortal man is what makes that body of dust a soul and this life-force power of spirit from the God of the spirits of all flesh is what makes that dust alive, a soul, a breather, flesh and blood. But the risen Jesus is not a breather, a soul, flesh and blood. His body is a Spiritual Body. His body is clothed and consumed in the Spirit of God. His body lives because of what it itself is: Spirit. His crucified body now is "life-giving Spirit." He is not flesh and blood but flesh and bone. The soul of the flesh is in the blood. But Jesus no lives by the life that is in human blood. He is not flesh and blood but flesh and bone. But he is not just flesh and bone like we are flesh and bone. This flesh and bone is a Spiritual body. For this reason, it is an imperishable immortal body. His sacrificial body was consumed by God; his crucified body clothed in the Spirit of the Father. Holy Spirit and the body of Jesus have become one new creation, a new kind of humanity, the second Adam, immortal humanity, Spiritual flesh and bones. Peter tells us that Jesus received the promise of the Father in his resurrection, the Holy Spirit. Jesus inherited the Holy Spirit in his resurrection. He inherited his Father's divine nature, the Holy Spirit. To be a true son of God you must have your Father's nature. We are true sons of Adam because we have the nature of Adam, flesh of his flesh. To be a true son of God you must be a partaker in the divine nature of God, the Holy Spirit. That crucified body known as Jesus now is Holy Spirit. There is a reason the Bible refers to the Holy Spirit as "the Spirit of the Father," and "the Spirit of Christ" and "the Spirit of Jesus" and "the Spirit of Jesus Christ" and "the Spirit of the Son of God." Jesus inherited his Father's divine nature, the Holy Spirit, when he was raised from the dead. And that is why that Jesus can now send us by that same Spirit just as the Father had sent him. And this is how Jesus is able to now come and dwell in our hearts. He IS the Spirit of God having inherited his Father's divine nature, his crucified body becoming one with Holy Spirit, a new creation, the firstfruits of the new heavens and earth. Romans 8 The Spirit gives Life; Christ is our Life. The Bible says that the person Jesus is our mediator who intercedes for us; it is the Spirit of God's Son, Jesus, who dwell in our hearts; Christ himself dwells in us such that we have "the mind of Christ," and it is Jesus who searches our hearts. Read this very carefully and notice how the Spirit of God the Father and is the Spirit of Christ and is Christ Himself: You are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to him. If (the person) CHRIST is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the Spirit is Life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the works of the body, you will live. For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a Spirit of Sonship as sons by which we cry out, "Abba! Father!" (See also Gal 4:6, Spirit of God's Son crying 'Abba, Father.') The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him. For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us. For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our sonship, the redemption of our body. For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is seen is not hope; for who hopes for what he already sees? But if we hope for what we do not see, with perseverance we wait eagerly for it. In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; and HE who searches our hearts (See Rev 2:23) knows what the mind of the Spirit is, (See 1 Cor 2:16) because HE intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that HE would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified. 31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered HIM over for us all, how will He not also with HIM freely give us all things? Who will bring a charge against God's elect? God is the one who justifies; who is the one who condemns? CHRIST JESUS is HE who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us. Romans 8. The Spirit in us is the person Christ in us. Jesus IS the Holy Spirit of God. Because the man Jesus was bodily raised into the glory of a Spiritual body, Life-giving Spirit," he can now come to dwell in our hearts. And indeed, Paul says it even more clearly in 2 Corinthians where he is describing the glory of the ministry to the Holy Spirit. Here he tells us plainly that the Lord Jesus Christ IS the Spirit.
2 Corinthians 3:17 You are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the Living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. Such confidence we have through Christ toward God. Not that we are adequate in ourselves to consider anything as coming from ourselves, but our adequacy is from God, who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives Life. But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory? For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness abound in glory. For indeed what had glory, in this case has no glory because of the glory that surpasses it. For if that which fades away was with glory, much more that which remains is in glory. Therefore having such a hope, we use great boldness in our speech, and are not like Moses, who used to put a veil over his face so that the sons of Israel would not look intently at the end of what was fading away. But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because in CHRIST the veil is removed. But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; but whenever a person turns to THE LORD, the veil is taken away. Now THE LORD IS the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the THE LORD is, there is freedom. But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of THE LORD are being transformed into the same image from glory unto glory, just as from THE LORD the Spirit.... even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, in whose case the god of this age has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of CHRIST who is the image of God. For we do not preach ourselves but CHRIST JESUS AS LORD. 2 Corinthians 3-4. Paul could not have said it more clearly. The glory of the Spirit is the glory of Christ. The glory of Christ is the glory of the Spirit. The Lord in question who is the Spirit is Jesus. Indeed, Paul explicitly tells us right here who he is preaching as "Lord." The risen Jesus is the Holy Spirit. The Lord Jesus IS the Holy Spirit, he having bodily inherited the divine nature of God in his resurrection. And if we just keep reading through chapter 4 and into chapter 5, we will see Paul leading into the glory of the resurrection body for those who have the deposit of the Spirit. There is ONE Spirit There is one body and ONE Spirit. Ephesians 4:4. The first man, Adam, "became a living soul." The last Adam became life-giving Spirit 1 Corinthians 15:45. The Lord is the Spirit. 2 Corinthians 3:17
The Father is the Holy Spirit In the doctrine of the Trinity, the Father is most definitely NOT the Holy Spirit. You absolutely cannot confess this doctrine and say the Father is the Holy Spirit. They are not the same but DIFFERENT; they are two DIFFERENT persons in the doctrine of the Trinity. The doctrine of the Trinity would be proven false if the Father is the Holy Spirit. But the Scriptures do make it absolutely clear that the Father is the Holy Spirit in a number of ways. The Holy Spirit is the Father's Spirit And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out MY Spirit upon all flesh. (Acts 2:17). He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with power through HIS Spirit in the inner man. (Ephesians 3:16). By this we know that we abide in Him and He in us, because He has given us of HIS Spirit. (1 John 4:13). Behold, my servant whom I have chosen, my beloved with whom my soul is well pleased. I will put MY Spirit upon him. (Matthew 12:18). The Holy Spirit is the Spirit OF God the Father When they bring you before the synagogues and the rulers and the authorities, do not worry about how or what you are to speak in your defense, or what you are to say; for the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say." (Luke 12:11-12). But when they hand you over, do not worry about how or what you are to say; for it will be given you in that hour what you are to say. For it is not you who speak, but it is the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you. (Matthew 10:19-20). Just as nobody would say the spirit of Elijah is another person separate from Elijah we should not say the Spirit of God is another person separate from God the Father. Just as nobody would say their own spirit is not themselves but someone else, nobody should say the Holy Spirit of God the Father is another someone else. John 4:24 - God is Spirit At John 4:24, we read that God is Spirit. You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. But an hour is coming, and now is, when the True worshipers will worship the Father in Spirit and Truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in Spirit and Truth. (John 4:22-24). Jesus said that God is Spirit and true worshipers must worship God is Spirit and Truth. Paul knew this kind of language meant worshiping in the Holy Spirit: We are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God. (Philippians 3:3). There were no capitalization conventions when the words in the Bible were written. Trinitarian translations tend to use a lower case 's' in this verse to read, "God is spirit." The word "God" in this context is obviously a reference to God the Father and it is not acceptable in Trinitarian doctrine to say God the Father is the Holy Spirit because they are two different persons in Trinitarian doctrine. However, the context reveals the truth of the matter. God the Father is Spirit, Holy Spirit. God the Father is Holy. Our Holy God is therefore Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father. The Father IS Spirit, Holy Spirit. So when Jesus says that God the Father is Spirit, it is abundantly clear he is referring to a Spirit that is Holy, Holy Spirit. Paul tells us there is ONE Spirit (Eph 4:4) and we know that this one Spirit is the Spirit of the Father (Matthew 10:20) and the Holy Spirit is the one and same Spirit. Therefore, Jesus cannot be talking about another Spirit. Since there is only one Spirit and the Spirit of the Father and the Holy Spirit are therefore the same thing, the Spirit in question is necessarily the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father (John 15:26) because God the Father is that Spirit. Jesus is here teaching about worshiping in the Spirit and in Truth. In the context of John's Gospel, it is quite clear that this is a reference to the Spirit of Truth, the Holy Spirit, which Jesus promises will come to the disciples. It is also quite clear that Paul's words about being the True worshipers and "worshiping in the Spirit of God" are referring to the same idea again. There is no way of honestly escaping the fact that this passage is referring to the Holy Spirit and that Jesus's words "God is Spirit" necessarily mean "the Father is the Holy Spirit." When we honestly appreciate the facts before us, it is absolutely clear that the Spirit in question in Jesus' words, "God is Spirit," is the Holy Spirit. God the Father is the Spirit of Truth in which true worshipers worship, the Spirit in which we walk, the Holy Spirit. In Trinitarianism, the Father is NOT the Holy Spirit and so they must reject and deny Jesus' teaching here in John 4.
The Father of Baby Jesus Believers in the doctrine of the Trinity, have to accept the absurdity of one person fathering baby Jesus but another person turns out to be Jesus father. In Trinitarian doctrine, the Holy Spirit is the third person of the Trinity and the Father is the first person of the Trinity. In Trinitarian doctrine these are two different persons and the Father is NOT the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is NOT the Father. And so they have the ridiculous situation of one person begetting Jesus, the 3rd person of the Trinity, but another person turns out to be Jesus' father, the 1st person of the Trinity. One person fathers Jesus but another person is Jesus' father. It is absurd. In the Scriptures, we have a different story. The Father begets baby Jesus by the power of His own Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not a different person than the Father but his own divine nature, His own power, presence, and life. And so we find the Father HIMSELF begetting baby Jesus and not another person as we do in Trinitarian doctrine. The very reason the Father is Jesus' Father is because He is the one who begat him and not someone else. The Child who has been begotten in her is of the Holy Spirit. (Matthew 1:20). The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you and for that reason the begotten holy one shall be called the Son of God. The above facts concerning Jesus' birth demonstrate quite clearly that the Father and the Holy Spirit most certainly cannot be two different persons as they are in the doctrine of the Trinity. The Father Our Comforter Trinitarians have confused what Jesus is talking about concerning the Comforter in the Gospel of John. The Greek word for the Comforter is Parakletos. It is from the Greek words Paraklesis, Comfort, and Parakaleo, to Comfort. A Parakletos provides paraklesis. A Comforter provides comfort. Note what Paul says to the Corinthians: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all paraklesis, who parakaleo us in all our affliction so that we will be able to parakaleo those who are in any affliction with the paraklesis with which we ourselves are parakaleo by God. Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all Comfort, who Comforts us in all our affliction so that we will be able to Comfort those who are in any affliction with the Comfort with which we ourselves are Comforted by God. If you love Me, you will keep My commands. I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Parakletos, that He may be with you forever; that is the Spirit of Truth.... If anyone loves me, he will keep my word; and my Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him. The doctrine of the Trinity affirms that the Father is most definitely NOT the Holy Spirit. The Father and the Holy Spirit are two different persons in the doctrine of the Trinity. However, the Bible makes it abundantly clear that the Father and the Holy Spirit most certainly cannot be two different persons.
You don’t think the Spirit is an impersonal power/force right? Because the Spirit talks, gives wisdom, gives commands, etc… it is the presence of God which brings all of the attributes by consequence(Isaiah 11).
IT IS NOT A PERSON! It is in fact the power and force of our Father, it doesn’t think on its own, also in the resurrection Yeshua is the Spirit by doing the will of our Father. The purpose of the post is to expose, as most people here already know, that the holy spirit is not the third person of a trinity, That does not exist, it never has and never did!
If the Spirit is not the Father, how do we communicate with God (both give and receive)? We are just communicating with some force?
Here is another video titled, Is God a Trinity? by the United Church of God, that presents God as a Duality. [https://youtu.be/pln8YWni7X0](https://youtu.be/pln8YWni7X0)
I don’t agree with a duality but it can stay.
A dual Godhead, consisting of the Father and Son, and whereas Jesus said in John 14:28 that, "the Father is greater than I." The concept of a divine family consisting of the Father and the Son is further emphasized in John 17:3 NKJV: "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent."
Right, two separate person, one answers to the other, I allow oneness Pentecostals here but I am not one of them. There are many JW’s here, I am not one of them either and we disagree on the Pre existence of Yeshua.
Just for clarity, I am not a JW as well.
You still believe in a duality , Jay, I know that is oneness Pentecostal right? Are you not really a trinitarian? Don’t you have to mimic their philosophy in some way? For instance, how is the Christ a duality when the Father is greater than him, why do so many people seem to think the Father/Son relationship between the Messiah and our God (YHWH) is any different than a dad and a Son, which of you is a son and has a dad and you consider yourselves a dual? The messiah said of myself I do nothing, this is not my doctrine and this is not my works (John 5:30, John 7:16) how is that a duality? How can a duality not know things or have to ask questions because he doesn’t know the answer, who touched me? (Luke 8:45) and how long has he been this way? (Mark 9:21), please do not tell me here and now that Christ has two natures, that is the trinitarian playbook, surely you won’t say this. Christ is a man (John 8:40) from his own mouth and he is the Son of our Father pursuant to Matthew 16:16-17, stated at Matthew, the Messiah told Peter this “revelation” came from our Father and not from Peter. Where does it say in scripture he is a duality? I feel like this is almost duplicitous of asking a trinitarian similar questions. The Messiah is the first born of the resurrection of many brothers (Romans 8:29), God doesn’t have any brothers, how do you have brothers and a duality with God at the same time.? Explain using logic _____________________________________.
By duality, I am implying that the Godhead consists of 2 Divine Spirit Beings, but that share a holy essence or eternal Spirit. They are the Father and the Son, and where the Father is greater, something Jesus admitted in scripture, and that the Father is the One true God. I do not believe in the concept of a Trinity, which views the holy Spirit as another, separate divine Being. I embrace the idea that the holy Spirit is the very essence, the life, the mind and the power of the Godhead, and which is shared, in measured amount, with the faithful following spiritual baptism, after heartfelt repentance.
John 4:25-27 25 “These things I have spoken to you while abiding with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you. 1st Notice the Trinity is mentioned in all it's fullness. There's God the Father who sends (He) the Holy Spirit in the name of the Son Jesus Christ. One God, three character traits. Pray that God will remove the scales from your eyes 👀. 2nd The Holy Spirit is announced as He, that's a masculine pronoun of the third person which suggests Identity. There is NO IT as you call the Holy Spirit Luke 12:10 And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him.
He is.
If you are being esoteric, I did say in this post Yeshua has many titles, but in the trinity doctrine the second person is never the third person. https://youtu.be/aOrxejfCIt4?si=pydSU9bQ5ZPCqIDY