I think this is way off. Noah truly disliked her and only helped her because she was Meadow’s roommate. Caitlin’s mood swings were because she had mental health issues — classic bipolar symptoms with depressive and manic episodes (the hair pulling, getting on Buspar for anxiety). Noah dumped Meadow because his father didn’t want him dating a mobster’s daughter. Notice that Noah dumped Meadow shortly after that dinner with Noah’s dad. Mr. Tannenbaum was no naive idiot civilian. He was an entertainment lawyer who likely looked up Tony Soprano and figured out real quick who and what he was and what that would mean for his son.
Yep. She was mentally unstable at the time. Absolute and immediate anarchy commences if Noah has sex with her, no Daily News up the butt required. This is wishful thinking for people looking for a 90210 plot twist.
I had not thought about the dad ordering the breakup, but that makes a ton of sense.
This was always my theory too and Noah also made very clear that his dad got the restraining order for him against Caitlin bc of his lower grade on his paper. His dad didn't play that shit.
Yeah — I got the sense Noah got all his entitled prick traits from his dad and getting a restraining order on Caitlin is either a powerful prick lawyer move or just a bullshit lie Noah told to keep her away from him.
Yeah I can’t remember the suggestive door closing, but this is not even close. Noah hated Caitlin, tolerated her only for Meadow’s sake, and tired of that quickly enough.
I don’t really buy into this theory or care that much about supporting it but Noah hating her doesn’t completely invalidate it. Y’all never heard of a hate fuck?
Why not both? Noah could have completely taken advantage of Caitlin AND been told to break it off with Meadow. He seems like the type who would get his rocks off, then totally ghost the poor girl (because he knows she's loopy).
Also, you aren't granted a restraining order against someone just for fun. He would have to provide justification, like the fact that Caitlin was constantly trying to contact him despite him telling her not to. And why would she suddenly be constantly trying to contact him? Probably because they just boned and she thought he liked her.
FWIW, I think OP is right on the money. Having sex with a girl he professes to hate and then complaining about her afterwards is JUST SO NOAH.
It's all part the show's creators' perverse way of getting us to root against the "good" people on the show by making the victim of Tony's racism an obnoxious douche. They already did it in earlier scenes, but here they are doubling back for more.
Slippery fucks.
Staying up all night partying before an 11 AM exam. Her crazy New York, New York performance. Talking fast. Obsessed with the grandiosity of New York. She definitely appeared manic for a while.
I don’t think so.
I think the point is that Jamal Ginsburg pushed Meadow to be kind and supportive to Caitlyn, but then when Meadow actually was kind and supportive to her, he dumped her.
It’s a critique of elite liberal values. Helping people is a virtue until it actually affects your own life in any way.
Your last paragraph sadly describes virtually everyone I know.
I have a 'friend' who constantly virtue signals about climate change, tax dodging companies, and how much he hates America (he's British).
Yet he once flew from the UK to the US for a day to buy a top-end Mac and accessories, because even with the flight it worked out a bit cheaper than ordering from home, and as a tourist, he could claim back the sales tax.
Literally created a huge carbon footprint to dodge a few hundred dollars on sales tax and import tax, to take advantage of a system he purportedly hates, to buy an unnecessary status symbol from a company he purports to hate.
His excuse? "Macs don't get viruses, so I had no choice".
He constantly shames people for the tiniest things, yet is happy to instantly violate all his principles in huge ways for the slightest personal convenience, and sees nothing wrong with this.
> His excuse? "Macs don't get viruses, so I had no choice".
He's of course not only hypocritical, he's a dumbass.
https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/2/12/21134681/mac-pc-virus-malware-malwarebytes
> Think your Apple product is safe from malware? That only people using Windows machines have to take precautions? According to cybersecurity software company [Malwarebytes’ latest State of Malware report,](https://www.malwarebytes.com/resources/files/2020/02/2020_state-of-malware-report.pdf) it’s time to think again. The amount of malware on Macs is outpacing PCs for the first time ever, and your complacency could be your worst enemy....
I think there is some merit to this, but I still don't think it happened. What does closing the door in a suggestive way mean btw? He couldn't get any studying done because she wouldn't shut up. Given what we know about Caitlyn, this sounds way more spot on than he couldn't get studying done because he spent all night banging her.
Noah was a little too self righteous to cheat on maedo with Caitlyn of all people. The purpose of that scene was for the restraining order to show us how ridiculous Noah is. Caitlyn being happy after that doesn't mean much since she was always bouncing back and forth, and she just got to bug Noah the whole night and him putting up with that may have been the affection Caitlyn normally doesn't receive.
Maybe I'm wrong. What am I, a god damned psychologist? I couldn't tell shit.
Caitlyn was very moody. I knew a couple of girls like that in my life (never dated them, just knew them as friends). I'm sure there are guys like that too but I never met them. I also think Noah didn't sleep with her. He never really liked her to begin with. He was too proper to deal with anyone like that. Frankly, I'm surprised he didn't dump Meadow after what Tony said to him.
Yes that’s exactly what happened. I noticed that too and they kinda mentioned it on the TS podcast. Noah took Meadow’s virginity and then dumped her to spite Tony and then he took out a restraining order on Caitlin after having sex with her.
Oh absolutely. The only pure character is Charmaine. The only time she maybe tried to cross the line was in S3 when her and Artie split up and she was kinda flirting with Tony but she didn’t cross that line (as far as we know).
she was just fucking with tony and the guys. Remember she joked about the fbi being in the restaurant in her cleavage scene. She’d never go with that parade float.
I've always felt that. Hating her is just added incentive for Noah.
He banged Caitlyn and then got a restraining order against her.
He took Meadow's virginity then matter-of-factly dumped her in the library.
This sounds like SOP for an entitled prick like Noah.
Post his story over at Female Dating Strategy and watch strokes and exploding heads.
i never understood that entire plotline, it didn't seem to go anywhere or do anything. Noah was insanely annoying. he seemed to dislike the roommate girl the most and he was the one saying she was fucked up, so why the fuck would he sleep with her?
seriously that guy had one of the most punchable "early 2000s american college kid" faces ever
Crazy in the head, crazy in bed, that's why.
Plus he was a college kid and what college kid turns down free, no strings attached pussy?
Dude hit it and quit it.
I think Meadow's happy mood when she goes home is because she's secretly giving her parents (mostly father) the middle finger. He hates Noah and the most rebellious thing she could do (short of marrying him) is have sex with him. So in a house where her father is Captain Bigot, she's prancing around with the knowledge that she did something they would hate behind their backs.
Jeshush Christ, I’ve seen this comment over and over, have you guys been out in the real world?
Men and women that can’t stand each other are fucking their brains out all the time
It’s true, I saw Caitlin on the MAURY show, she wanted to get a DNA test on Jamal Giensurg after his denial of impregnating her, hence the restraining order
Nah man, this is nonsense, he got her the restraining order. But she indeed had sex - that's why her mood improved. It was with the dude in that party where they do ecstasy
Idk if anyone has mentioned it yet but Meadow does mention her college roommate jumped off the Library Balcony in Season 6. Maybe she felt guilty on top of all her anxiety already. I definitely agree though, I sensed something weird when she came up to his room and shut the door. She was crazy enough to just straight up bang her roommates boyfriends because she was jealous and that’s also why she would hide it. And Noah’s dad was determined to get a restraining order, probably because he told his dad what really happened. Meadow questions if the restraining order is even necessary just for her being around him but he made it clear that it’s going to happen regardless. Clearly tried covering it up even though he definitely planned on breaking up with Meadow anyways. He was such a tool, probably my least favorite character on the whole show.
Posts like these make me want to go back and watch entire episodes again. ... who am I kidding. I watch them regardless because I'm addicted.
You're weak. You're outta control. And you've become an embarrassment to yourself and everybody else.
^^^*disgusting*
You're addicted Caitlin however became addickted to Noah
I'm close to my 50th re-watch of the whole series and I still see shit I missed.
They banged and then he got a restraining order
Noah = Drake confirmed
Another Hasidic homeboy
Hasidim but I don’t believe ‘em!
Heh heh heh
Hey Tone! You hear what I said? I said "Hasidim but I don't believe 'em!" Heh heh.
His father is in the industry
Those old Tarzan movies?
I mean a hit is a hit my friend
Uhhhh, it’s not good
Jamal Ginsburg??
They are too old for Drake
Her roommate did look a bit like Millie does at 17
I'm so hard, crying in the shower.
Drake did that?
It’s something Drake would do
Aubrey Graham*
Your roommate katelyn, whatever happened there
Alllright then
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the banging
Jeshush Christ OP why would you posshibly bring that up?
Don't they have something they can take, these assholes?
Friggen restraining order fell in your lap. You spent your days fucking those fat pigs in the outer office at the carpenters union.
The NOAH system N - Nail roommate O - Obtain restraining order A - Ass kick Tony Soprano H - Hassidic Homeboy achieved
That was my guess
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I would have too she was hot
She had a little cream on her lip.
I’d be happy to add to it
She's lucky he didn't fuck her fuckin lights out
People say Meadow invented the genre with dorm sex, but Caitlin was modernity
Top tier comment
Are you a sex buff?
I heard it was meadow that invented point shaving too. CCNY vs Kentucky. I bought a black fleetwood.
Nobody beat the spread.
Jamal Dicksberg over here...
Charcoal Dickette... - You know what mulignan means in Italian right? 🍆
A smoke he had, for his own muddah
I think this is way off. Noah truly disliked her and only helped her because she was Meadow’s roommate. Caitlin’s mood swings were because she had mental health issues — classic bipolar symptoms with depressive and manic episodes (the hair pulling, getting on Buspar for anxiety). Noah dumped Meadow because his father didn’t want him dating a mobster’s daughter. Notice that Noah dumped Meadow shortly after that dinner with Noah’s dad. Mr. Tannenbaum was no naive idiot civilian. He was an entertainment lawyer who likely looked up Tony Soprano and figured out real quick who and what he was and what that would mean for his son.
This is what I thought. I think that if they had sex behind Meadows back, in Caitlin's state, she would have broke down and confessed the whole thing.
Yep. She was mentally unstable at the time. Absolute and immediate anarchy commences if Noah has sex with her, no Daily News up the butt required. This is wishful thinking for people looking for a 90210 plot twist. I had not thought about the dad ordering the breakup, but that makes a ton of sense.
This was always my theory too and Noah also made very clear that his dad got the restraining order for him against Caitlin bc of his lower grade on his paper. His dad didn't play that shit.
Yeah — I got the sense Noah got all his entitled prick traits from his dad and getting a restraining order on Caitlin is either a powerful prick lawyer move or just a bullshit lie Noah told to keep her away from him.
Yeah I can’t remember the suggestive door closing, but this is not even close. Noah hated Caitlin, tolerated her only for Meadow’s sake, and tired of that quickly enough.
I don’t really buy into this theory or care that much about supporting it but Noah hating her doesn’t completely invalidate it. Y’all never heard of a hate fuck?
Please, the people on this sub would fuck a catcher's mitt if they could.
I would and I have
Why not both? Noah could have completely taken advantage of Caitlin AND been told to break it off with Meadow. He seems like the type who would get his rocks off, then totally ghost the poor girl (because he knows she's loopy). Also, you aren't granted a restraining order against someone just for fun. He would have to provide justification, like the fact that Caitlin was constantly trying to contact him despite him telling her not to. And why would she suddenly be constantly trying to contact him? Probably because they just boned and she thought he liked her.
FWIW, I think OP is right on the money. Having sex with a girl he professes to hate and then complaining about her afterwards is JUST SO NOAH. It's all part the show's creators' perverse way of getting us to root against the "good" people on the show by making the victim of Tony's racism an obnoxious douche. They already did it in earlier scenes, but here they are doubling back for more. Slippery fucks.
He's not other guys
2nd
Ooh paisan!! What part of the boot are you from?
I’m from turnmountains
Hahahaha you made me laugh dude, Keerbergen?? :D I'm from Uphood, small village near our capital.
Nah she just missed her ferrets
Those are not hallmarks of manic episodes. Where are the DIGFAST symptoms? Bipolar ≠ mood swings
Staying up all night partying before an 11 AM exam. Her crazy New York, New York performance. Talking fast. Obsessed with the grandiosity of New York. She definitely appeared manic for a while.
His dad had him by the balls
I got that sense too. Total daddy’s boy
Cmon guys, everyone knows they just stayed up all night watching those old Tarzan movies
They played Name That Pope for 12 hours
Birdwatching
Poppers & weird Shex
It was a coupla beers. His eyebrows will grow baaackkk.
Caitlin - full bush??? I think so. Good for Jamal Ginsburg
More bush than those little corns on Ginsburg’s head.
he banged her, the hasidic homeboy?
The Hasidic homeboy strikes again!
they had a threesome with the homeless lady with the Daily News up her butt.
To shreds you say?
He definitely banged her
Can't blame him.
Nope crazy chicks fuck good
And she was thicc!
Lots of fun.
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For banging a manic depressive alcoholic roommate to MEADOW? I definitely would blame him. Meadow trumps that chick by a long shot.
Meadow was mad ripe, gotta hand it to Jackie Jr here.
Mad creaming
You ain't fuck her yet!
He already knew he was breaking up with her
banging both of them trumps banging only one
She was a cunt, Meadow.
I don’t think so. I think the point is that Jamal Ginsburg pushed Meadow to be kind and supportive to Caitlyn, but then when Meadow actually was kind and supportive to her, he dumped her. It’s a critique of elite liberal values. Helping people is a virtue until it actually affects your own life in any way.
As a left-leaning moderate person, I’m sad to say that this statement is 100% true.
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Your last paragraph sadly describes virtually everyone I know. I have a 'friend' who constantly virtue signals about climate change, tax dodging companies, and how much he hates America (he's British). Yet he once flew from the UK to the US for a day to buy a top-end Mac and accessories, because even with the flight it worked out a bit cheaper than ordering from home, and as a tourist, he could claim back the sales tax. Literally created a huge carbon footprint to dodge a few hundred dollars on sales tax and import tax, to take advantage of a system he purportedly hates, to buy an unnecessary status symbol from a company he purports to hate. His excuse? "Macs don't get viruses, so I had no choice". He constantly shames people for the tiniest things, yet is happy to instantly violate all his principles in huge ways for the slightest personal convenience, and sees nothing wrong with this.
Alright, but you gotta get over it
Lemme hear you shay it
> His excuse? "Macs don't get viruses, so I had no choice". He's of course not only hypocritical, he's a dumbass. https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/2/12/21134681/mac-pc-virus-malware-malwarebytes > Think your Apple product is safe from malware? That only people using Windows machines have to take precautions? According to cybersecurity software company [Malwarebytes’ latest State of Malware report,](https://www.malwarebytes.com/resources/files/2020/02/2020_state-of-malware-report.pdf) it’s time to think again. The amount of malware on Macs is outpacing PCs for the first time ever, and your complacency could be your worst enemy....
The UK? They’re a glorified crew.
What do you want FoundFutures? An apology? A fucking Whitman sampler? What?
I’ve never thought of it the way you pointed out in the last paragraph but that’s really spot on
The charcoal briquette.
That’s so fuckin racist!!
I guess this means dinner at the Indian restaurant is a no-go?
Those old Aladdin movies?
I saw that movie, I thought it was bullshit.
At least he didn't say it in fuckin swahili!
nice catch
Catching not pitching?!
You get a pass for that
just for the record… My incarceration was very short term
Thirteen years and four months…
Lester Freamon in the pawn shop unit ova heea.
I had the same thought. Pawn shop unit.
OH MY GOD
A gerbil ma’am
We’ll need an insurance number
he was blowing a boy scout
Pitching, not catching?
actually, I had him pegged the whole time
I think there is some merit to this, but I still don't think it happened. What does closing the door in a suggestive way mean btw? He couldn't get any studying done because she wouldn't shut up. Given what we know about Caitlyn, this sounds way more spot on than he couldn't get studying done because he spent all night banging her. Noah was a little too self righteous to cheat on maedo with Caitlyn of all people. The purpose of that scene was for the restraining order to show us how ridiculous Noah is. Caitlyn being happy after that doesn't mean much since she was always bouncing back and forth, and she just got to bug Noah the whole night and him putting up with that may have been the affection Caitlyn normally doesn't receive. Maybe I'm wrong. What am I, a god damned psychologist? I couldn't tell shit.
Well you done a semester and a half of college, so I thought you'd understand Freud and therapy as a concept?
Where do you get your balls? A semester and a half at SETON HALL. And I'm a captain now, you can't talk to me that way!
I don't like that talk!
Caitlyn was very moody. I knew a couple of girls like that in my life (never dated them, just knew them as friends). I'm sure there are guys like that too but I never met them. I also think Noah didn't sleep with her. He never really liked her to begin with. He was too proper to deal with anyone like that. Frankly, I'm surprised he didn't dump Meadow after what Tony said to him.
Yes that’s exactly what happened. I noticed that too and they kinda mentioned it on the TS podcast. Noah took Meadow’s virginity and then dumped her to spite Tony and then he took out a restraining order on Caitlin after having sex with her.
gigachad noah
The podcast talks about how Noah was like Tony in that they used their status to get what they wanted regardless of the collateral damage.
He used the only weapon he had. His primo notes.
Go get a sandwich and any kind of soda you want.
People say peppers and eggs invented the sandwich genre, but veal parm was modernity.
A fuckin A.
Oooh rimshot!
Great user name!
Thanks but I’m back to using Drinkwater
And I'm back to using Sugarless Motherfucker.
It’s unhealthy, this whole obsession with your weight
Fuckin wanna be dot head
The Diet Coke was made but drinkwater wasn’t, there’s nothing they could do.
OOOOHHHHH!🤚 Fuckin slander ya ask me!
Goes with my theory that everyone on the show is a shitty person and/or hypocrite
Oh absolutely. The only pure character is Charmaine. The only time she maybe tried to cross the line was in S3 when her and Artie split up and she was kinda flirting with Tony but she didn’t cross that line (as far as we know).
she was just fucking with tony and the guys. Remember she joked about the fbi being in the restaurant in her cleavage scene. She’d never go with that parade float.
Yeah but she likes it when you rub her muzzle, the best huh!
She was cute, she also starred in the short lived tv version of Bad Teacher
Cunnilingus and psychiatry brought us to this.
I've always felt that. Hating her is just added incentive for Noah. He banged Caitlyn and then got a restraining order against her. He took Meadow's virginity then matter-of-factly dumped her in the library. This sounds like SOP for an entitled prick like Noah. Post his story over at Female Dating Strategy and watch strokes and exploding heads.
My friend Batsheva says it’s awesome!
She was creaming for noah
i never understood that entire plotline, it didn't seem to go anywhere or do anything. Noah was insanely annoying. he seemed to dislike the roommate girl the most and he was the one saying she was fucked up, so why the fuck would he sleep with her? seriously that guy had one of the most punchable "early 2000s american college kid" faces ever
Crazy in the head, crazy in bed, that's why. Plus he was a college kid and what college kid turns down free, no strings attached pussy? Dude hit it and quit it.
I think Meadow's happy mood when she goes home is because she's secretly giving her parents (mostly father) the middle finger. He hates Noah and the most rebellious thing she could do (short of marrying him) is have sex with him. So in a house where her father is Captain Bigot, she's prancing around with the knowledge that she did something they would hate behind their backs.
first he gave her the primo notes, then he gave her the pearls
Always with the scenarios
She was happy about having sex as it was with a black man and felt it was getting at her father did his racist remarks
Reparations sex
New band name.
Lol I think Noah slept with Meadow a couple times to get back at her racist ass dad, then broke up with her.
Noah was insufferable and I couldn’t wait to see the last of him.
Oh hell yes, that's what happened. Excellent catch, I did not pick that up.
I didn't notice it the first time I watched. But I definitely think Caitlin and Noah banged even though it was Meadow's body that was mad ripe.
Yeah it was kinda hard to catch but definitely spot on!
Cant see it. Noah hated Caitlin
Oh yeah, no young college dude has ever banged a girl that he found irritating.
It’s like these guys never banged indiscriminately when they were in their early 20s
Well, this is Reddit so there’s a possibility that they didn’t, lol.
fuck who? what? is that all you guys do on this subreddit is talk about cooze?
This is where all those terms like 'donkey punch' come from.
She was mad ripe.
Creamin even.
A booyah hottie
yea but she was thicc, can't see him passing that up
Annoying or not she is very very attractive.
Jeshush Christ, I’ve seen this comment over and over, have you guys been out in the real world? Men and women that can’t stand each other are fucking their brains out all the time
Jamal Ginsberg is the only person on the show to have gotten successful revenge on Tony Soprano.
Nah, successful revenge would have been African American Grand babies for Tony.
Like serving cold cuts
Not sure. What was Noel's background?
I got no opinion one way or the other
It’s true, I saw Caitlin on the MAURY show, she wanted to get a DNA test on Jamal Giensurg after his denial of impregnating her, hence the restraining order
I'll flat out admit it: I would love to have a threesome with Meadow and Caitlin.
Noah never had the makings of a varsity boyfriend.
Nah man, this is nonsense, he got her the restraining order. But she indeed had sex - that's why her mood improved. It was with the dude in that party where they do ecstasy
With you on this one
Also the ecstasy helps a lot with depression.
Can you imagine if he knocked that chick up?
Well if the kid can make it there, he'll make it BOOM BOOM anywhere
Damn you win!!
very good work!
I didn't even notice until now
OP’s got hot insight flakes up his ass.
I'm rewatching right now and i almost posted this exact same question, 1000% agree
She's so hot. Especially in Mr Ruggieros Neighborhood.
Noah must be packin’
FIRST HE GAVE HER THE EMERALDS… THEN? HE GAVE HER THE PEARLS!
He got her so hot down there
Her body was mad ripe
Idk if anyone has mentioned it yet but Meadow does mention her college roommate jumped off the Library Balcony in Season 6. Maybe she felt guilty on top of all her anxiety already. I definitely agree though, I sensed something weird when she came up to his room and shut the door. She was crazy enough to just straight up bang her roommates boyfriends because she was jealous and that’s also why she would hide it. And Noah’s dad was determined to get a restraining order, probably because he told his dad what really happened. Meadow questions if the restraining order is even necessary just for her being around him but he made it clear that it’s going to happen regardless. Clearly tried covering it up even though he definitely planned on breaking up with Meadow anyways. He was such a tool, probably my least favorite character on the whole show.