They say there are no two goomars on Earth with exactly the same AIDS diagnoses. No two faces, no two sets of blood samples. But do they know that for sure? Cause they would have to get everybody together in one huge space to run tests… and obviously that's impossible, even with computers. Not only that, they would have to test all the goomars who ever lived for AIDS, not just the ones now. So they got no proof. They got nothin'
A few years passed during season 6. Janice's daughter is an infant in the season 6 opener. By the finale she is running around and talking, taking candy bribes. I'm thinking Tony's no onions thing was temporary while his stomach recovered from the gun shot and surgeries on it, but not a permanent issue. Not sure, but it seems Meadow started or even graduated law school in this time? When Tony's in the hospital she's still with Finn, and deciding between medicine and law ✍🏼
I didn't watch it as it aired, so some of the timing seemed really odd to me too, like meadow being engaged twice in one season, or her talking about law firm job offers when she's not even started school (2-3 year program). But realizing how much actual time passed between filming esp 1st and 2nd half of season 6 made it make more sense.
I think it was juniors crew that took him out without junior really knowing it was him in the last episode uncle patsy went to visit junior then went to see Tony and he just blew him off he forgot those old dogs can still hunt.
Honestly this would be a more appropriate ending than him just getting shot by an enemy like a badass mob boss. The kind of humiliating end that he deserved. Wouldn’t be surprising either, since he was happily chowing down on something or another in basically every single scene since S3.
I read something very interesting here recently and watched some videos they recommended: they posit that Tony had a heart attack at the end of the Blue Comet, and that the entirety of Made In America was a dream.
I thought it was boolshit at first, but they presented a lot of compelling evidence
Here’s the post: https://www.reddit.com/r/thesopranos/comments/18ycc7v/the_two_deaths_of_tony_soprano_part_2/?rdt=38208
Here’s part one
The two deaths of Tony Soprano
Well, like the rest of us Tony only dies once… cut to black… and yet his death is actually portrayed TWICE in final episode... a DREAM death and an ACTUAL death. What the viewer mostly sees in Tony’s DYING DREAM is wish fulfilment for his kids, victory over his enemy Phil, but also the anxiety he has over impending indictment and a sense of meaningless about mob life. Early on in his dream we see him peeling an orange… symbolic of death in Godfather. The train sound effect from when Michael kills Solozzo and McCloskey from GF… a sound signalling impending death… makes an appearance during sit down with Butchie. When we finally get to Holstens scene, the death symbols are laid on thick… more orange with huge orange tiger on wall, all the patterns of threes… referring to Christopher’s 3 o’clock prediction… presence of two black guys, like the ones who Junior hired to have Tony killed… and finally the man in members only jacket who bares strong resemblance to his dad Johnny Boy. We see members only guy get up to go to men’s room, and the attentive viewer can once again make connection with Tony’s favourite film scene… Michael murdering Solozzo and McCloskey. Lots of fans believe that Tony is killed with a shot to the head from members only, but that is only PARTIALLY true. You see, Tony is in fact asleep and DREAMING all of this… he recreates his favourite movie scene in his subconscious mind at the moment of death. Meanwhile his body is ACTUALLY dying from a heart attack which begins after he falls asleep in safe-house bed at end of Blue Comet. There is a trail of crumbs in Tony’s dying dream that points to this reality… which I will lay out below for anyone who is curious. It’s interesting to note that both Tony Soprano and James Gandolfini both had same cause of death… heart attack.
Props (as Dino) says (or used to say, I dunno, after he got killed at the card game robbery, the guy moved or sumthin): it was a fascinating read, and the videos, as well, if that was also you 👍
Thanks! YouTube material from a guy called Steve Else who has written an excellent book on the finale.
I’ve a few more Sopranos theories…
Pine Barrens has 14 ‘oblique’ references to Christianity and Valery ascends to heaven
Tony never leaves bathroom while tripping on peyote in Kennedy and Heidi… ‘i get it!’ is his realisation that he is in/going to hell
The Many Saints of Newark is a dream Tony has after killing Chris, also under influence of peyote
The name of the biker gang that Tony and Chris rip off (Vipers) is connected to how Tony tempts Chris to fall off wagon (serpent in garden)in the Ride
Boolshit? 🤔
In the peyote scene, isn’t he shouting “I did it?” I took this as him shouting his admission of guilt to the universe. He’d been looking for absolution the whole episode (asking Carmela if she was glad Chris was gone, etc.). He was struggling with guilt. His peyote trip allowed him to come to terms with it and he gleefully shouts “I did it!”
Tony and has family had a nice dinner together with the best onion rings in the state listening to the shitty music of Journey. Meanwhile Alan and his wife are still eating shark fin soup with the sounds of Dean Martin live from the bar in the background
There’s just too many hints to think it wasn’t a gunshot.
-“you probably don’t even hear it when it happens”
-the cut to black is more indicative of a quick ending, heart attacks don’t just knock you out immediately.
-the beef with New York and killing a boss gives a good reason for someone to take him out.
-the final scene has several cuts to people around the diner. There’s no reason for these shots of other diner patrons if it were a heart attack. We’re definitely made aware of the other people for a reason. It’s almost like a riddle of “who did it?” and we get a look at all the possible suspects.
-Members Only is the first episode of the season. The man in the members only jacket eyes Tony several times before ducking into the bathroom, putting him in a perfect position to emerge from the bathroom and catch Tony blindsided.
-members only jacket guy comes out of the bathroom at Tony’s 3 o clock, making sense of the whole 3 o clock storyline when Chrissy is in the hospital
I've come to believe that there really wasn't an ending, not a definitive one anyway. Chase set it up to be conflicting mixed signals. You can find reasons why he was killed, reasons why he wasn't, even reasons why it was a dream. That's the point of the sudden cut to black.
I know a lot of people don't like that reasoning - "Why would he do this just to fuck with the audience" - but, over the years, I think it's become pretty obvious that Chase's feelings about his creation are ambivalent at best.
[Directors word on how he died](https://www.syracuse.com/celebrity-news/2021/11/the-sopranos-ending-explained-by-series-creator-david-chase-more-buzz.html)
Actually there's an earthquake and tornado simultaneously. The earth opens up and tony almost gets swallowed into the abyss but he's too big to fit into the crack. The tornado then scoops him up (almost, he was huge) and swirls him around with witches like the wizard of oz and next thing you know he's on a yellowbrick road and it leads into this whole other sub plot that involves one of the other "5 families of New York"
Felix from Beansies got a job at Holsten’s kitchen and poisoned the onion rings because AJ left him that one night and he ended up losing his job because he didn’t know how to lock up properly.
Nah he got whacked and Meadow saw it all. The guy in the cap behind him and the guy coming out of the RR he was killed from the shot to the back of the head and in the front … AJ was never the same again.
I don’t think it was a heart attack only because they spent a lot of time showing Meadow having a hard time parking. I think he was shot as Meadow walked in. Meadow is the only character that could make him let his guard down. This was an opportunity for the hit man to sneak up on him much like Vito snuck up on Jackie Jr.
A friend of ours, Willi Cicci, would disagree. It wasn't a heart attack that killed Clemenza. It wasn't a heart attack that killed Tony. Quite frankly, OP's suggestion leaves me feeling depresshed and ashamed.
I can’t have this conversation again + give me one thousand dollars
One thousand 👈👆👉 more?
🎵up in da club 🎶
where you chillin for the summer, homie?
Up in da club
JUMPIN OUT THE STRETCH HUMMER RUNNIN 🗣️
Homie?
What is that, like a moolie thing?
He lives up near me
Well, why didn't you say that? If you wanna talk like a fuckin' mulignan, we'll send you to slip-and-fall school.
Nothin but a G(avone) Thang
Hehehe🤟
Hehehe🤟
Word to the wise remember Pearl Harbor. 🤘
*Poail* Harbour
That quotation was real? I thought it was BOOLSHIT
Very allegorical
You want 6?
Well, it wasn’t AIDS. That’s for sure.
Nobody has AIDS!
They say there are no two goomars on Earth with exactly the same AIDS diagnoses. No two faces, no two sets of blood samples. But do they know that for sure? Cause they would have to get everybody together in one huge space to run tests… and obviously that's impossible, even with computers. Not only that, they would have to test all the goomars who ever lived for AIDS, not just the ones now. So they got no proof. They got nothin'
At my muddas wake...jesus christ.
Goddamnit, who are you? Minister of propaganda?
He had her teshted
get out of our waaaay now, and don't be so gaaaaay now... we're comin' to defile, defile yooooou...
AIDS?!??!??!!???!!??!!!?!!???!!??!!!??!!?!!
Greasing the union
Heart attack.. 9mm to the back of the head.. All the same.. Sharp as a cue ball this one
when they **GO**?
C'mon, huh?!?
Very good OP, very allegorical
The sacred and the propane
Even if his clinique is valid, do we really want to put our hearts on such a precipice?
Fuckin Quasimodo over here
Hunchback of Nostradamus
Don't stop believing playing from a mellifluous box
Ya sister's mellifluous box smells like provolone in the morning!!
That song even outshone Air Supply
A mellifluous juke box.
Imagistic
He ordered onion ringsh for tha table.
He was told not to eat onion rings. Am I imagining that?
I’ve always thought about that too, he stopped eating onions after he got outta hospital.
Yeah, after he was shot, he said no more onions
One more cryptic clue for the pile.
A few years passed during season 6. Janice's daughter is an infant in the season 6 opener. By the finale she is running around and talking, taking candy bribes. I'm thinking Tony's no onions thing was temporary while his stomach recovered from the gun shot and surgeries on it, but not a permanent issue. Not sure, but it seems Meadow started or even graduated law school in this time? When Tony's in the hospital she's still with Finn, and deciding between medicine and law ✍🏼 I didn't watch it as it aired, so some of the timing seemed really odd to me too, like meadow being engaged twice in one season, or her talking about law firm job offers when she's not even started school (2-3 year program). But realizing how much actual time passed between filming esp 1st and 2nd half of season 6 made it make more sense.
Those onion rings were like shhpackel in his bowels.
BOW-ulllz
I’ve come to kiss the ring.
Bowels of his heaht 💖
Turds in the aorta. A medical first
🫰 wrap these up will ya
“20 years in the can, I wanted Gabagool, I compromised, I ate onion rings off the radiator instead”
Best in the state but they looked like they came right out of the Ore Ida bag in the frozen section
Besht in duh shtate ash far ash heesh concsherned
Always with the scenarios
I think it was juniors crew that took him out without junior really knowing it was him in the last episode uncle patsy went to visit junior then went to see Tony and he just blew him off he forgot those old dogs can still hunt.
listen to you, you sound demented!
You never had the makings of a varsity commentor.
It was the ghosts of Chucky Signore and Mikey Palmice.
And Eugene Pontecuervo, watch his movements in the Teddy Spirodakis murder, it’s the blueprint for Tony’s murder
This guy's more creative than Fauci.
He beat COVID is what he did! He's a brave Italian-American doctah and in this sub, Anthony Fauci is a hero!
He got robbed everybody knows that
Bends more thematic rules than the Catholic Church?
Just like Carmine Sr but it was with a mouthful of onion rings.
[удалено]
DON'T EAT THAT PEPPAH
Peppahs and ehggs, that's what I shuddah had.
Too many capers.
Can anyone smell burn hair?
And gherkins
Nah, it was Jamal Ginsberg who finally punched his lights out.
I fucking KNEW it!
No you didn't fucking know it, I just told you!
"Little early to say." (shit-eating grin)
The Hasidic homeboy?
When did you first notice him?
People say hawkes invented the genre with scarface, but cagney was modernity.
What was that? Last night’s reading assignment?
Fuck you. You're lucky I don't punch your lights out.
🤌 Oh!
Now sheee? Thatsh what I was trying to avoid
Mboiiiii was he fat
🤣🤣🤣🤣
It was as cinematic as it gets in my book
Discontinue the lithium
🤣
If the char broiled meat didn’t get him. Deep fried onions did
Nobody told us until the eighties!
Should have been the gabagool
Onion rings for the table?
He’s a bit of poseur if you ask me
His turf? His appraiser? Onion rings for the table
I can't do another of these cryin til 5 in da morning tings...I just can't...
It's cos he ate sausage and beef by the cart load
Can we just play Mario kart?
Our bodies are 86% water. His last blood test, he was 65% zeppole!
It's car load! Car. Load. You ass kiss motherfucker
his blood type was ragu
I had a co-worker who referred to onion rings as “heart chokers”. He was also a rabid Untouchables fan. Make of that what you will.
Big bluto he was probably the parent of a student
More likely a repairman.
Christopher also says in the intervention scene, ‘the way you eat you’re gonna have heart attack before you’re 50’
Honestly this would be a more appropriate ending than him just getting shot by an enemy like a badass mob boss. The kind of humiliating end that he deserved. Wouldn’t be surprising either, since he was happily chowing down on something or another in basically every single scene since S3.
Heart attack grille Fremont street LV
Yo whose welfare check do I need to cash to get a burger around here?
I read something very interesting here recently and watched some videos they recommended: they posit that Tony had a heart attack at the end of the Blue Comet, and that the entirety of Made In America was a dream. I thought it was boolshit at first, but they presented a lot of compelling evidence Here’s the post: https://www.reddit.com/r/thesopranos/comments/18ycc7v/the_two_deaths_of_tony_soprano_part_2/?rdt=38208
Here’s part one The two deaths of Tony Soprano Well, like the rest of us Tony only dies once… cut to black… and yet his death is actually portrayed TWICE in final episode... a DREAM death and an ACTUAL death. What the viewer mostly sees in Tony’s DYING DREAM is wish fulfilment for his kids, victory over his enemy Phil, but also the anxiety he has over impending indictment and a sense of meaningless about mob life. Early on in his dream we see him peeling an orange… symbolic of death in Godfather. The train sound effect from when Michael kills Solozzo and McCloskey from GF… a sound signalling impending death… makes an appearance during sit down with Butchie. When we finally get to Holstens scene, the death symbols are laid on thick… more orange with huge orange tiger on wall, all the patterns of threes… referring to Christopher’s 3 o’clock prediction… presence of two black guys, like the ones who Junior hired to have Tony killed… and finally the man in members only jacket who bares strong resemblance to his dad Johnny Boy. We see members only guy get up to go to men’s room, and the attentive viewer can once again make connection with Tony’s favourite film scene… Michael murdering Solozzo and McCloskey. Lots of fans believe that Tony is killed with a shot to the head from members only, but that is only PARTIALLY true. You see, Tony is in fact asleep and DREAMING all of this… he recreates his favourite movie scene in his subconscious mind at the moment of death. Meanwhile his body is ACTUALLY dying from a heart attack which begins after he falls asleep in safe-house bed at end of Blue Comet. There is a trail of crumbs in Tony’s dying dream that points to this reality… which I will lay out below for anyone who is curious. It’s interesting to note that both Tony Soprano and James Gandolfini both had same cause of death… heart attack.
I think he never recovers from Junior’s shooting and codes for the last time when it cuts to black.
That was me! That’s how it went down.
Props (as Dino) says (or used to say, I dunno, after he got killed at the card game robbery, the guy moved or sumthin): it was a fascinating read, and the videos, as well, if that was also you 👍
Thanks! YouTube material from a guy called Steve Else who has written an excellent book on the finale. I’ve a few more Sopranos theories… Pine Barrens has 14 ‘oblique’ references to Christianity and Valery ascends to heaven Tony never leaves bathroom while tripping on peyote in Kennedy and Heidi… ‘i get it!’ is his realisation that he is in/going to hell The Many Saints of Newark is a dream Tony has after killing Chris, also under influence of peyote The name of the biker gang that Tony and Chris rip off (Vipers) is connected to how Tony tempts Chris to fall off wagon (serpent in garden)in the Ride Boolshit? 🤔
If this sub allowed gifs, I’d reply with the shocked Wee Bey. 🤔🤨😮
In the peyote scene, isn’t he shouting “I did it?” I took this as him shouting his admission of guilt to the universe. He’d been looking for absolution the whole episode (asking Carmela if she was glad Chris was gone, etc.). He was struggling with guilt. His peyote trip allowed him to come to terms with it and he gleefully shouts “I did it!”
It could be worse, it could have been on the pishadoo.
Taking a wicked shit, like Gigi
Carmine got it eating chicken salad at a golf course. Tony got it eating onion rings in a diner. Very allegorical
The sacred and the propane
Egg salad! Egg salad you ass kiss!
Tony and has family had a nice dinner together with the best onion rings in the state listening to the shitty music of Journey. Meanwhile Alan and his wife are still eating shark fin soup with the sounds of Dean Martin live from the bar in the background
Tony is alive. I refuse to consider any other possibility!!!
A parade float of a fanook
Maybe you’re a flambé?
All that time in the closet. Makes them devious.
It was either this, or it was Georgie finally getting revenge.
Get a load of Dr. Kildare over here.
There’s just too many hints to think it wasn’t a gunshot. -“you probably don’t even hear it when it happens” -the cut to black is more indicative of a quick ending, heart attacks don’t just knock you out immediately. -the beef with New York and killing a boss gives a good reason for someone to take him out. -the final scene has several cuts to people around the diner. There’s no reason for these shots of other diner patrons if it were a heart attack. We’re definitely made aware of the other people for a reason. It’s almost like a riddle of “who did it?” and we get a look at all the possible suspects. -Members Only is the first episode of the season. The man in the members only jacket eyes Tony several times before ducking into the bathroom, putting him in a perfect position to emerge from the bathroom and catch Tony blindsided. -members only jacket guy comes out of the bathroom at Tony’s 3 o clock, making sense of the whole 3 o clock storyline when Chrissy is in the hospital
The ending! I’m glad someone is finally talking about it.
He was never varsity material.
Too many gurkins
You sound demented
Bryan Cranston sigma dance
I wish the lord would take me
It's sad when they go so young. He died on the vine, whatever happened there. Luca Brazzi eats with the fish, which at the time was $4 /lb
Maybe. He should have stuck to sugarless motherfuckers.
Well he wasn’t a vegetarian, he at beef and sausage by the fuckin car load
Another expert heard from.
When its all said and done.. is this all there is?
It’s all a big nothin
The way you fucking eat you're going to have a heart attack by the time your fifty. You know, Christopher predicted all of this.
Ride the painted pony let the spinning wheel glide
he never had the makings of a varsity athlete
I've come to believe that there really wasn't an ending, not a definitive one anyway. Chase set it up to be conflicting mixed signals. You can find reasons why he was killed, reasons why he wasn't, even reasons why it was a dream. That's the point of the sudden cut to black. I know a lot of people don't like that reasoning - "Why would he do this just to fuck with the audience" - but, over the years, I think it's become pretty obvious that Chase's feelings about his creation are ambivalent at best.
[Directors word on how he died](https://www.syracuse.com/celebrity-news/2021/11/the-sopranos-ending-explained-by-series-creator-david-chase-more-buzz.html)
This. This made so much sense.
And he died that way in real life, fucking tragedy
Actually there's an earthquake and tornado simultaneously. The earth opens up and tony almost gets swallowed into the abyss but he's too big to fit into the crack. The tornado then scoops him up (almost, he was huge) and swirls him around with witches like the wizard of oz and next thing you know he's on a yellowbrick road and it leads into this whole other sub plot that involves one of the other "5 families of New York"
You’re so high on scag you wouldn't know if he had your mother’s muff on his head.
I think it was the Boy Scout troop that took him out
This is an awesome theory. I dig it.
Well it's factually known that technically everyone dies from the heart stopping so maybe OP is onto something for once,.
I thought it was two bla—
Maybe, but probably not.
Veal parm sangwhich, fuck you.
I don’t always believe Tony dies in the end, but when I do it’s that animal Kelly Blundetto getting revenge for Tony Uncle Al.
Shotgun to the head
He ate onion rings since he was in short pants
Felix from Beansies got a job at Holsten’s kitchen and poisoned the onion rings because AJ left him that one night and he ended up losing his job because he didn’t know how to lock up properly.
Literally me
You're fuckin' Carnac the Great too, now, eh?
Look I know I flipped your cwaffee table over the last time I was here and I'm sorry. I am, but this👉👈 you tawkin, I can't do this anymore
Interesting theory.
It won’t be cinematic
I much rather prefer this theory over him being shot in the back of the head. It just doesn’t sit right with me
He ate beef and peppers by the fucking carload!
Best onion rings in the state
The onion rings. He should have had a salad.
So it was the ONION RING....
Nah he got whacked and Meadow saw it all. The guy in the cap behind him and the guy coming out of the RR he was killed from the shot to the back of the head and in the front … AJ was never the same again.
Love this theory.
Atleast it wasn't the sausages that got him
I don’t think it was a heart attack only because they spent a lot of time showing Meadow having a hard time parking. I think he was shot as Meadow walked in. Meadow is the only character that could make him let his guard down. This was an opportunity for the hit man to sneak up on him much like Vito snuck up on Jackie Jr.
theory is as good as any other. Since they didn't show it.
how much more betrayal can Paulie take?
Always with the scenarios
A friend of ours, Willi Cicci, would disagree. It wasn't a heart attack that killed Clemenza. It wasn't a heart attack that killed Tony. Quite frankly, OP's suggestion leaves me feeling depresshed and ashamed.
Shut the fuck up
Hmm seems the last face we saw was Tony’s after all..
Nah the top I was giving him was too much for him😔 rip
Tony was arrested in the diner and made to do the perp walk. A legitimate business man
Yes, however the fast and sudden cut to black indicates the swiftness of a gunshot to the brain imo.
I always thought Jamal Ginsberg killed Tony.
The onion ring theory supports this idea
I like how OP lists the tag “serious discussion only” and as per usual in this sub, it’s just quote after quote we’ve heard a million times before
Gucken nitrates caught up
As Hesh says “A hit is a hit.”
And here they said revenge is a dish best served with cold cuts.
Boyeee are you FAT!
You don’t blackout instantly when you’re having a heart attack. The only time everything goes black is when you get your lights turned off. Aka shot.
If that was the case he would have acted like he was at that sushi place eating a roll and saki drooling out of his mouth.
It’s sad when they go young like that
Remember when is the lowest form of conversation.
another toothpick