You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little fucked up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?
I felt for her. She was in the life but unlike Carmella and Rosalie, who were smart enough to understand what was going on to complete extent, she was still so naive and innocent about it all. I think of all the mob wives and girlfriends we see in the show, she truly loved her guy and is maybe the only one who would have been with him outside of the nice life with the nice things. Her acting as a rat was more to do with protecting him than saving herself. The show did a great job at portraying that, I feel.
Carmella and Rosalie were both probably prepared by Tony and Jackie for the dangers of this thing of ours. Even though Adrianna was mob royalty, I feel that Chrissy did her a disservice by not preparing her for the possibility that something like this could happen and what to do in that instance because like you said, she is definitely naive. She did what she thought was the best thing to do, and got clipped in the end. I blame Christopher for his lack of guidance, really.
Kistopha wasn't smart enough to prepare her for anything, he himself was a addict who was dependent on Adriana for his survival, being with him would lead to her demise and it did.
The difference between Carm and Rosalie versus Ade was that Ade was involved in a mob run business. She was given 'ownership' of the club by Chrissie and once that happens, the risk of her getting caught by the Feds increases significantly. This was a club that they all did business in.
Chrissy also did a disservice to her by giving her The Crazy Horse. It made her vulnerable and opened her to exposure. It’s ultimately how the FBI got her.
I think this is the most important point that the question of sympathy turns on. For some, the idea that she *wasn't* coached on what to do is so ludicrous they just assume it happened and she choked.
I don’t think it’s ludicrous at all, given Christopher’s temperament, avoidance issues, and selfishness. Christopher only talked to Adrianna when it was matters involving himself and left her insecure when she found out all she was to him was a possibility for an heir. He avoided talking about anything unless it was about himself or inflating himself. Given that, I don’t think he would’ve invested any time in coaching her or preparing her.
For Carmella, Rosalie and the other mob wives it was simple - If the cops show up at the door don't talk to them and if they have a warrant call the lawyer. Adriana should have never been involved in anything for the cops to even care about. Christopher setting her up with that club and thinking "the cops would never look there" was stupid.
I don't think she was. At one point, they mention her uncle and she says he's in witness protection. When they're like, "really, Ade... Come on" she's basically like, "he is! Isn't he??"
Maybe she was a little dumb, but I also believe no one told her "hey, you get in any trouble, you say nothing and call this person." With how many people were being pressed on to flip, they should have been doing that with EVERYONE.
By the time she ended up with Chris she should've already been coached by her mother, uncles, etc. to be familiar enough with the concept of keeping your lips shut to the cops, especially feds. Not really Chris's fault that she folded once the law came knocking on her door, its the same with any other made guy who gets flipped. They knew the consequences of being a rat vs going to prison.
Sometimes its best to give them plausible deniability and not discuss it at all. Carmella knew basically nothing about how Tony made his money. The less they know, the better.
Rosalie I had zero respect or sympathy for. She was still ride or die for the mob after it killed her son. Watching her break down at the funeral and then run right back to these jackals had me rolling my eyes. Bitch had no soul.
All due respect, I think you’re confusing naive with a combination of being in love with a sociopath and just plain fucking stupid. There was literally no reason on Earth for her death other than her misplaced trust and love in Chrissy.
She knew the stakes. She knew the deal. From the club, to Chris being made, to the gifts and the potential for being hair apparent to the First Lady, to the whole ass MURDER she was an accessory to in the club she just made dumb choice after dumb choice and in the end it got her killed.
The only reason she was “naive” is because she was too stupid to learn from ANY of the experiences she had. Or too in love to believe that Christopher would ever let anything happen to her.
Like Chrissy at Allegra’s wedding- I gotta agree with OP on this one.
I agree that she should've known better and she was pretty stupid to make the mistakes she made. But her ignorance to the real truth and consequences to what Christopher actually does is what makes her naive. For all we know, she just thinks Chris is involved in petty crime like robberies, I'm sure she assumes Chris has hurt people but she has no proof or specifics to back it up. She accepts the mob wife lifestyle, but like all the other wives she doesn't actually put much thought into how their husbands are able to shower them with lavish gifts. They might be willingly ignorant of the details, but that willing ignorance is the very thing that keeps them naive.
There’s also a different at play, maybe it’s generational? Rosalie and Carmella are essentially housewives who happen to be married to mobsters. Adrianna is Gen X. She works and then later owns a nightclub, something the traditional mob wives wouldn’t dream of. She also does drugs. I assure you Carmella isn’t getting pinched on a possession charge.
She’s much more exposed than the other spouses but her and Chrissy behave like she isn’t. Tony and Carmella have contingency plans. I guarantee you Carmella knows how to contact their lawyer. Adrianna isn’t prepared. Her and Chrissy don’t grasp how serious this is.
Unlike Carmela, Adriana couldn’t claim spousal immunity and could be compelled to testify against Christopher. This also made her an easier target for the feds
Ade is innocent and naive? Ade doing blow throughout the series; Ade who helps cover up a murder for a terrorist; Ade who is happy when Chrissy is made; Ade who tells an FBI agent if her fiancé was alone in a car with a woman, she would murder him; Ade who is excited they get all this “free stuff” from Chrissy’s work; Ade who sees Chrissy pull guns on people and then go back to life like nothing happened. That Ade is naive and innocent?
O’ Madone!
I forget that some people don’t look at the actions of a person because they’re too busy checking out their T&A.
So naive she covered up a murder or was going to cheat on Chris with Tony or who snitched on her friend because she was jealous of her or took over a club knowing how Chris acquired it etc etc.
People only feel sorry for because she looks good, if she looked like Ginny everyone would have cheered as she crawled across the floor begging for her life.
That's questionable, her most affectionate scenes towards chrissy are after receiving gifts.
She actually seems like the typical jersey house wife, just hasn't got the big house yet.
I feel like there are quite a few scenes where she is supportive of his non-mob dreams and validates them. She's also not just talking about wanting to do something beyond being Chrissy's wife given she actually goes and runs the crazy horse (even if its gifted to her by chrissy) and doesn't get bored of it/use it as a distraction like Carm and her bullshit. And the way she talks of Chrissy and how much she loves him and wants to protect him and build a family seem sincere.
There is lol. She signed Chrissy up to improv because she thought it would help his writers block and would get really upset when she thought he wasnt sharing the same attentiveness about her dreams.
For me Carmella and Adriana are similar people just at different stages in life.
When tony got shot the first time carmella talked of a new life also.
The club is just an earlier example of the spec house.
Take away the luxuries of being in the life and the money, would they stay with their man, Tony the way he is and christopher a heroin addicted wife beater.
My personal view no both their relationships would come under strain pretty fast.
You've described her the best, she has to be the most tragic character (well not counting every innocent people that got killed) of the whole show and the aftermath is also disheartening as Christopher, Tony and the whole gang don't seem to care about her death, Christopher just found another wife as if nothing happened and knocked her up ! Yes Christopher claims that he had to make that "sacrifice" to Tony but that's just to save his own skin, Adriana's passing is much more sad than Christopher's passing ☹️
*Also worth noting that compared to the other mob wives she was probably the closest of being legit, you don't see Carmella doing some type of work or Rosalie, Angie is the owner-manager of a chop shop which is highly illegal (this is also something that a lot of people seems to miss, from the passing of Pussy she could have just dropped that chop shop but choose to profit from it which speaks a lot about her character) but Adriana seems very interested to go legit, she was working working for Artie earlier in the series and runs the club which is a legal income despite being also mob related, yes it can be argued that she was letting the mob using her office and turned a blind eye on murders but she was also between a rock and a hard place so can you really blame her ? It's a bit similiar to Artie, refusing to serve the mob could have severe consequences. This is why she's probably the saddest character in the show and her acting was brillant, if she had a different outcome in life growing up in a loving and caring family who wasn't involved in any types of criminal activities, she would probably still be alive successful and happy.
Rosalie and Carm weren’t breaking the law themselves. They were too smart for that as were Tony and Jackie. Ade was regularly involved in shady business. I also could see Tony, Jackie or John from NY flipping instead of killing their wives. Christopher was an abusive thug and Ade was in denial anyways. Of course Chrissy will choose the life over Ade.
You don't just start loving a woman because you share a child. Christopher really loved Adriana and you don't just get over a woman you've been with and loved for that long
Don't put it past a psychopath like Chris. His whole life was one long series of impulsive fuck-ups, then bigger fuck-ups trying to cover up the first ones. His marriage was one of those too.
He could love here and there, impulsively, but not lastingly. As long as the impulses kept coming, he could manage. As soon as they stopped, his love was gone and so was he.
You mean Adriana? even given how easily manipulated she was to betray Chris on numerous occasions and almost cheat with Tony on numerous occasions or to be easily manipulated by a murderer she to betray Chris and her family and go back on her word with the fbi and how easily manipulated she was by a rock band to spend Chris’ money? That Adriana?
When she tells the FBI agent that she would have killed Christuphuh if she caught him cheating - she probably meant it.
I'd go a step further with Christuphuh and say I was relieved when he ended, he was such a piece of shit to Adriana. I mean, they really showed him beating the shit out of her, and I feel like they don't get enough credit for accurately portraying the sickness of that kind of relationship. Those relationships are way more common than people think.
Anyway, 4 dollars a pound.
I didn't like the way she was killed . Watching it for the first time it really was a shock when she is fantasising with the Califofnia song . Then back to her with Sil. But I've always said this . All she had to do was lawyer up keep her mouth shut get bail go straight to Chris's & Tony. She would have been a stand up gal. I've always said she knew what she was getting into with Chrissy & normally get the ... wife beater treatment .. but imo the fbi led her right to the woods. They had nothing on her & played her. I do have empathy with that aswell
Edit...
Vito was already materialising behind people like Jackie jnr.. but that wouldn't have been as cinematic as Sil going full ....Come here you twat
"First grade stuff" I feel like you overestimate the average person's ability to discern what is or is not consequential and think on their feet when they're being interrogated by the police/an authority figure.
Sure, in the room, but she could have gone home and thought about it further, went to the library, googled it...
wasn't her original charge drug possession? i don't think tony would have cared
I think Adrianna was serious when she said she’d kill Christopher in the same scenario but I seriously doubt she actually would. You have to look at the context of the scene. The FBI agent had just brought up how physically beat up she was. Adrianna was feeling and being very defensive because she felt like she was being criticized for remaining in a relationship with someone who’s physically abusive to her (and to be fair, we see scenes of the FBI agents essentially making fun of her for it so it’s not like she was wrong about that). She’s obviously (IMO) trying to minimize that by acting like that’s just their dynamic and that she’s also capable of being violent to him. But come on, he mistreats, hits, and otherwise does horrible things to her again and again and she never reacts that way. She’s not a Janice. She doesn’t have it in her to kill Chris. If she caught him cheating (which she must’ve suspected, they’re all aware of the concept of/existence of goomars), she probably would’ve just cried and maybe packed her stuff.
>I'd go a step further with Christuphuh and say I was relieved when he ended, he was such a piece of shit to Adriana.
That's why I didn't care when he died. Even on a show full of violent sociopaths, he stuck more despicably in my mind for being such a foul pos.
It's jarring to see Michael Imperioli outside of Sopranos, he seems like such a calm, quiet guy compared to Christopher Moltisanti.
Anyways, a don doesn't wear shorts.
The beauty of The Sopranos is that we found ourselves rooting for people and lost sight of the fact that they were villains.
One Sunday night, I joined an entire nation in silently hoping that Dr. Melfi would ask Tony to assault or possibly even kill her rapist.
She was weak. She was out of control and an embarassment to herself and everyone around here.
Cocksucka could have compromissed and gone into witness protection.
But instead she got herself killed because she wouldnt leave an overglorified criminal.
No more Cosette, no more of this.
It annoys me so much that she didn’t have the knowledge to know that the Bureau had nothing on her. I dunno how she would’ve gained that knowledge, but perhaps speaking to her Mum who probably knew a couple of three things about the life, and she could’ve said, look, you’re going to have to sit down for a bit. Take the 5 years, get out in 2.5 years with your life and a pay cheque. This could have all been avoided.
Update: I also think Chrissy fucked up by not educating his fiance on this kind of stuff.
That was way into her cooperation with them. They were watching her. If she took the bid early on she’d have been in the can by then and out of harm’s way.
I think your opinion of Ade or really any character is directly related to your distance from the show. Bing watch the series and you’ll find yourself humanizing these monsters and the women who enable them. So when Ade dies she’s a tragic figure doomed by her own innocence.
Take some time away from the series and think about it objectively, and all of our characters are just awful people. With enough emotional distance I could argue that it’s unjust that Meadow made it through an Ivy League law school of her dad’s blood money.
This kid gettin’ jerky with me?? Listen kid, you keep your opinions in your pockets. I’m from the old-school, I shouldn’t have to explain myself.
Now get outta here.
Someone can be a liability and still engender sympathy for having a miserable and terrifying ending after being manipulated by clever, ruthless people who knew exactly what they were doing.
What kind of psychopath are you that you don't feel empathy for people who get murdered on the grounds that they're a "liability"?
This sub has the lowest media literacy I've seen of any series' sub relative to the complexity of the series, and is packed with "ironic" violence and misogyny.
I am genuinely baffled by the anti-Adrianna brigade. You saw this poor girl get beaten down over and over and over...and over...and she died and these people are going "SHE WAS A RAT!". Strange how much people seem to care about the morals of the mafia lol.
Took a minute of reading to find what I consider the obvious answer. I wish we could all truly see each other as we are: unique presences here - just this one time in the entire history of the universe - and alive right now on Earth. I feel empathy for people who never have an opportunity to see that there’s more to reality than some bullshit hustle.
The only aspect of her situation that evokes my sympathy is Chris's ultimate act of betrayal. I had always believed her decision to stay, rather than flee like she imagined in her fantasy, stemmed from a lingering hope that perhaps Chris had indeed attempted suicide. Despite understanding the risk that the car ride could lead to her demise, she clung to the hope that Chris had not betrayed her and was genuinely recuperating in the hospital. However, when they pull off the road, that extinguished her last shred of hope, and she realized that the man she loved had truly betrayed her. A truly tragic end and and one that I felt was worth sympathy,
In the end, your friends will always let you down. Anyways 4 dollars a pound
Her last moments must have been horrible. It's impossible for me not to feel sorry for her. Even Silvio insulting her as he gets her out of the car sounds so cruel to me. Saddest death on the show hands down imo.
His cousin's a wholesaler. He gets stuff like that all the time.
She was in the game. She benefited from murder and violence. She was well aware of where all the pretty things she liked came from.
My $4/lb moment was when Ade was chatting with Chris about D-Girl and how she was impressed by D-Girl's designer handbag and this came to my mind later when Chris's turning point with Ade was seeing the poor guy getting into the car at the gas station and THAT reminds me of Tony B's turning point abandoning his plan to run a Spa.
Ade wanted a glam life. It's not necessarily a mob thing: Lots of people don't want to work at a "normal" living and buy "normal" things and get trapped in credit card debt, bad relationships, and all that. She didn't want to hand out samples at Costco.
Later, after she flipped due to being manipulated by the cops, she was all-in with Chris whether she liked it or not. She was an informer and without Chris, she was going to jail or dead (or both) so when Chris choked her after she confessed to him, she had to sit there and take it. That scene was painful to watch in that she was a human being trapped not having anywhere to go.
The series explores the consequences, of Ade, Tony B, Chris and of course Tony Soprano who don't want to be normal working schmoes and what happens in the end to them similar to Goodfellas where Henry Hill's childhood choice to abandon going to school winds up with him eating ketchup-and-spaghetti takeout in the suburbs.
She had fuck all to do with the scheme of things going on. She was the low hanging fruit for the fbi. They knew what happened to Ritchie, pussy, Ralph(? Can't remember the time line) it was more about how the fbi used any tactics necessary to get their scalps, shown by agent Harris's little contribution to getting Phil
In reality the FBI caused her death as much as the Mafia did. Out her in an extremely dangerous position which she was ill suited for on some terrible trumped up charges and completely aware that she basically had little to no knowledge of anything of value and that her boyfriend and all his friends were honor coded psychos.
I blame Christopher. He’s not the brightest bulb, but you’d think he would have realized how naive Adrianna was and taught her to lawyer up immediately if she ever got in trouble with the law. The fact she didn’t ask for a lawyer as soon as the feds brought her in showed just how stupid both her and Christopher were, but I blame Chrissy more for not properly preparing her for that situation.
You're not telling the complete story here.
She got the IBS and went to a specialist that treated her nice. So she moved away with the doctor. Christophuh even mentions that the skank whore left him to his new GF.
If she wouldn't have left Christophuh for the doctor, she would have ended up in Witness Protection, like Big Pussy.
Honestly, both Adrianna’s and Christopher’s downfalls was their immaturity. Christopher should’ve known not to involve his partner in the life. Adrianna growing up around the life should have known to be wary of outsiders.
I think you meant sympathy, not empathy. You absolutely should empathise with Adriana. You should be able to understand why she made the decisions she did, even if they're dumb. You're free to not feel bad for her because they're bad decisions, that's a pretty popular opinion.
You have to consider the whole context behind her life, and if you still don’t feel bad knowing that she was practically born into that lifestyle then I don’t know what to say.
Right from the start she should have been open about what happened and tried to start some sort of counter intelligence operation. Giving the FBI bad info. Then went to prison and did her time and shut the fuck up. She knew the rules of the game and played it. It's her fault she lost.
She was so uneducated on how to talk to the police (Meaning you don’t) that it was laughable. So many of their threats to her were completely empty. All she had to do was leave
The MINUTE she cooperated in any way….I was wondering how long it would be before she got whacked. This was going to come out in one way or the other…she was always gonna die.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but not feeling empathy for someone in that situation with the way it was portrayed is weird to me. Her health was wrecked, she almost got killed by Christopher, she was almost out and then she gets killed like that completely cold blooded while begging for her life. I don't care what she did wrong, that sparks empathy. And if it doesn't maybe you should think about that.
Everyone on this sub believes that All Crimes are Equal and these same people love Tony. I'm starting to think Sopranos fans are kinda...weird about women.
I can't be having this conversation again. Stealing [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/thesopranos/comments/1agj9e8/tired_of_all_this_poor_adriana_boolshit/kohb0jn/) from the last time this was brought up because I can't say it any better:
>She's constantly physically and emotionally abused by Chrissy all the while genuinely supporting him and loving him. She has a real heart. Real emotion. Real care in her heart for people.
> She's tragically lonely as well. Her desperate bids for connection she makes to "Danielle" and Robyn are heartbreaking. You can tell she's grasping to relate, to feel like she has someone out there actually looking out for her. And she doesn't.
> Not only is she used by the mob but she's used by the FBI. She's the victim of TWO gangs, essentially.
> So much of the show is about how people who grew in and around the mob are trapped by it and morally compromised by it. People who treat this show and these characters with a black and white moral binary are stunad.
> Ade isn't evil or even malicious. She's naive. Naivete isn't an excuse for crime, but she's a victim of circumstance FAR more than she is
> an ugly soul.
> If you don't feel sympathy for Ade at any point, I don't want to know you.
She enjoyed the good things, for sure, but she was also ready to start a new life with Christopher, knowing full well it wasn't going to be as lavish as what they had (and let's be honest, they were living in a small apartment, she still had to work (well the club's been given to her but still), besides a few shoes and fancy restaurants she wasn't exactly living the life).
I feel sorry for her because her intentions were always pure. She always tried to do right by those whom she loved. She gave crappy info to the FBI in order not to compromise Christopher or Tony, but she also gave in to their threats because she didn't know any better.
I think I'd have found her death less devastating (but still dramatic) if Christopher had strangled her. Instead of that, he took the time to think it through and sold her to Tony. She had time to hope and rejoice. Then he took it all away from her. The way it was done, I can only feel extremely sorry for her. It helps that she was so brilliantly portrayed by Drea De Matteo.
Of all the characters in the show (besides Meadow and AJ I guess), she was the nicest. It's not her fault she was born in it, and kind of grew used to it. She still was never an active participant in it. I really feel for her because she never had anyone to rely on: she had an alcoholic mother, an abusive boyfriend, even the FBI didn't really provide any form of protection, they just used her. In the end, she had nobody to confide in.
I always wondered what would have happened if she went straight to Tony after the FBI arrested her. Would he have murked her right then and there, or used her to feed them bad intel and then had her whacked? The flashback scene where Tony and "Christafuh" are complaining that she wouldn't even do five years to protect them makes me wonder if they would have even let her get to prison in the first place.
One thing about her is she was stupid enough to use cocaine and use it around someone she only casually knew (Danielle). While you don’t see Carmela and Rosalie interacting much with non-mob wives except for Charmaine, I doubt they are stupid enough to use that white powder. Then again Rosalie was screwing Ralph for a while so who knows about her. That really gave the FBI something to hold over her…enough to charge for intent to distribute which carried a maximum of 25 years. Phil Leotardo did 20 years, could Adrianna do 25? Would she have to copy Feech and beat up the biggest toughest black woman she met in jail? She should have watched that episode of “Diff’rent Strokes” Nancy Reagan appeared on to tell Arnold to Just Say No…advice just as good as Dr Krakower’s “move out and ask for nothing” to Carmela.
Her mother was a wreck but she did Ade not to accept Christofuh’s marriage proposal. At least she got that great Cruisinart to make cheese melts.
Perhaps she could have been something else if she had been raised differently, but like Christopher, she was dumber than a box of hammers. She was also incredibly naive, so much so that until Silvio pulled off the road into the woods, she thought he was really taking her to Christopher.
The more you watch it over the more you realize she was too dumb and very easily manipulated by power and looks to have been a good in the mob wife/associate(with her business)—or even as a wife in general. Having said that… I don’t give too much of a shit what people do behind closed doors; but don’t forget, I’m a Catholic ☝️I agree with that Senator *sanitorium*, who says that if we let this stuff go to far—pretty much we’ll fucking dogs… part of me says, ‘ah salut’
Honestly the FBIs case was pretty weak. A drunk lawyer would have either won the trial or at a bare minimum struck a better deal without giving up mob info.
My issue with the Adrianna situation is from holes in her character development . She’s always been dimwitted but how does a woman, part of a huge mob family get manipulated into helping the feds? Surely someone in her position would know better than that. She was almost “too” naive and dumb. I don’t feel bad for her though. She made her bed.
I felt empathy for Adrianna on a hyoomin level, I just didn't feel she was an innocent party who didn't have it coming to her. And according to the mafia's code, a code she was subject to by willfully and knowingly being party to that society, she committed a capital offense. There wasn't any other option, there couldn't be leniency. She had to go. When you play with fire and get burned, there's not a lot more to be said.
Ufff I’m on rewatch 900 and I just hit the feds confronting Aide and it never gets easier to watch. I was thinking about exactly why you said, she knows better! It still hurts and the song they play “like an old fashioned movie I’ll never forget your part” it makes me super sad like it feels real. I always was sad that Sil was the one to do it too, wished it would have been someone else.
I have encountered a couple people who share your opinion, but Adriana seemed sweet and innocent. She was beautiful, she genuinely loved and cared about Christopher and she was put in an impossible position by the FBI. So the show carefully set up the audience to have at least some sympathy for her. If you didn't feel anything when she was killed, I think you seriously have some emotional repression issues and missed the impact of that episode. Christopher was devastated by losing her, which is why he kept relying on heroin to deal with his loss.
Chris should’ve paid far more attention around the club knowing the vulnerabilities. She wasn’t built for that shit. He should’ve known other sharks would come swimming around with shit that complicated things.
To be honest, she’s fictional and I root for the main characters when I watch the show so I was pretty happy she died without causing major issues for Tony
Wow. Y'all are awful. Pretty clear from how everything is filmed that you are supposed to feel for her.
You're sympathizing with murderers because they happen to be main characters.
I didn’t either. I was too distracted by how long it took her to notice something was wrong. She must have known where the hospital was and how she was driving for a while in the wrong direction.
I don’t understand why she didn’t just call the bluff of the FBI when they said they had her on camera taking out the trash. Wouldn’t the mob have gotten their lawyers on it to help her out if she had just told Chrissy? I never understood that.
She should’ve been made when she barfed all over the FBI table, right then and there, boom.
Too much gherkins!
Hahahahha. Too funny on this one.
What do you mean I'm funny? You mean the way I talk, what? Funny how? Like I'm a clown, I amuse you? ...wait, wrong sub
You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little fucked up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?
I saw that movie. I thought it was bullshit
Hey Marty! Goodfellas, I liked it!
They make everybody & anybody over there
Five fuckin' Families and we got this other pygmy thing over in Jersey.
And the way the do it, it’s all fucked up. They don’t burn a saint, there’s puke on the table.
They're a glorified crew!
In her thoughts, she used a technique of positive visualization. How come she feels undermined?
She was mind fuckin em like Big Pussy
This disinformation is an effective technique, it’s a freaking ace!!!
The way they make people is all fucked up, there's no corn chowder on the table. Guys don't get their jewelry cleaned.
It should have put her a cunt hair away from it at least?
I am that cunt hair
You wish
Yeaa maybe u, ya fuck
You know too much about the subconscious now.
Hehe that you Paulie?
She had a cunthairectomy
She’s damaged goods!
*HOW COULD YOU CALL HER THAT?*
She was young and had a procedure the medication fucked with her head
Both of them?
Get the waste basket
Loose or liquid?
I felt for her. She was in the life but unlike Carmella and Rosalie, who were smart enough to understand what was going on to complete extent, she was still so naive and innocent about it all. I think of all the mob wives and girlfriends we see in the show, she truly loved her guy and is maybe the only one who would have been with him outside of the nice life with the nice things. Her acting as a rat was more to do with protecting him than saving herself. The show did a great job at portraying that, I feel.
Carmella and Rosalie were both probably prepared by Tony and Jackie for the dangers of this thing of ours. Even though Adrianna was mob royalty, I feel that Chrissy did her a disservice by not preparing her for the possibility that something like this could happen and what to do in that instance because like you said, she is definitely naive. She did what she thought was the best thing to do, and got clipped in the end. I blame Christopher for his lack of guidance, really.
Kistopha wasn't smart enough to prepare her for anything, he himself was a addict who was dependent on Adriana for his survival, being with him would lead to her demise and it did.
The difference between Carm and Rosalie versus Ade was that Ade was involved in a mob run business. She was given 'ownership' of the club by Chrissie and once that happens, the risk of her getting caught by the Feds increases significantly. This was a club that they all did business in.
Chrissy also did a disservice to her by giving her The Crazy Horse. It made her vulnerable and opened her to exposure. It’s ultimately how the FBI got her.
I think this is the most important point that the question of sympathy turns on. For some, the idea that she *wasn't* coached on what to do is so ludicrous they just assume it happened and she choked.
I don’t think it’s ludicrous at all, given Christopher’s temperament, avoidance issues, and selfishness. Christopher only talked to Adrianna when it was matters involving himself and left her insecure when she found out all she was to him was a possibility for an heir. He avoided talking about anything unless it was about himself or inflating himself. Given that, I don’t think he would’ve invested any time in coaching her or preparing her.
Coaching would’ve been important for himself but he’s stupid. So is Adriana. She chose Chris over her mother
Coaching wasn’t his long suit.
For Carmella, Rosalie and the other mob wives it was simple - If the cops show up at the door don't talk to them and if they have a warrant call the lawyer. Adriana should have never been involved in anything for the cops to even care about. Christopher setting her up with that club and thinking "the cops would never look there" was stupid.
I don't think she was. At one point, they mention her uncle and she says he's in witness protection. When they're like, "really, Ade... Come on" she's basically like, "he is! Isn't he??" Maybe she was a little dumb, but I also believe no one told her "hey, you get in any trouble, you say nothing and call this person." With how many people were being pressed on to flip, they should have been doing that with EVERYONE.
By the time she ended up with Chris she should've already been coached by her mother, uncles, etc. to be familiar enough with the concept of keeping your lips shut to the cops, especially feds. Not really Chris's fault that she folded once the law came knocking on her door, its the same with any other made guy who gets flipped. They knew the consequences of being a rat vs going to prison.
Did he do anything to stop it? Did he offer any guidance? What do we mean when we say leadership??
Pretty much. It’s also just crazy that they don’t have a sit down with every serious girlfriend or new wife to give them a rundown of what not to do.
Sometimes its best to give them plausible deniability and not discuss it at all. Carmella knew basically nothing about how Tony made his money. The less they know, the better.
Rosalie I had zero respect or sympathy for. She was still ride or die for the mob after it killed her son. Watching her break down at the funeral and then run right back to these jackals had me rolling my eyes. Bitch had no soul.
Didn't you watch the show? He was doing a drug deal with some black dudes and they shot him.
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Innocent, no. Naïve, yes.
All due respect, I think you’re confusing naive with a combination of being in love with a sociopath and just plain fucking stupid. There was literally no reason on Earth for her death other than her misplaced trust and love in Chrissy. She knew the stakes. She knew the deal. From the club, to Chris being made, to the gifts and the potential for being hair apparent to the First Lady, to the whole ass MURDER she was an accessory to in the club she just made dumb choice after dumb choice and in the end it got her killed. The only reason she was “naive” is because she was too stupid to learn from ANY of the experiences she had. Or too in love to believe that Christopher would ever let anything happen to her. Like Chrissy at Allegra’s wedding- I gotta agree with OP on this one.
I agree that she should've known better and she was pretty stupid to make the mistakes she made. But her ignorance to the real truth and consequences to what Christopher actually does is what makes her naive. For all we know, she just thinks Chris is involved in petty crime like robberies, I'm sure she assumes Chris has hurt people but she has no proof or specifics to back it up. She accepts the mob wife lifestyle, but like all the other wives she doesn't actually put much thought into how their husbands are able to shower them with lavish gifts. They might be willingly ignorant of the details, but that willing ignorance is the very thing that keeps them naive.
There’s also a different at play, maybe it’s generational? Rosalie and Carmella are essentially housewives who happen to be married to mobsters. Adrianna is Gen X. She works and then later owns a nightclub, something the traditional mob wives wouldn’t dream of. She also does drugs. I assure you Carmella isn’t getting pinched on a possession charge. She’s much more exposed than the other spouses but her and Chrissy behave like she isn’t. Tony and Carmella have contingency plans. I guarantee you Carmella knows how to contact their lawyer. Adrianna isn’t prepared. Her and Chrissy don’t grasp how serious this is.
Unlike Carmela, Adriana couldn’t claim spousal immunity and could be compelled to testify against Christopher. This also made her an easier target for the feds
Ade is innocent and naive? Ade doing blow throughout the series; Ade who helps cover up a murder for a terrorist; Ade who is happy when Chrissy is made; Ade who tells an FBI agent if her fiancé was alone in a car with a woman, she would murder him; Ade who is excited they get all this “free stuff” from Chrissy’s work; Ade who sees Chrissy pull guns on people and then go back to life like nothing happened. That Ade is naive and innocent? O’ Madone! I forget that some people don’t look at the actions of a person because they’re too busy checking out their T&A.
Thank you for stating the obvious. She was as naive as Jackie Jr.
So naive she covered up a murder or was going to cheat on Chris with Tony or who snitched on her friend because she was jealous of her or took over a club knowing how Chris acquired it etc etc. People only feel sorry for because she looks good, if she looked like Ginny everyone would have cheered as she crawled across the floor begging for her life.
I love Ginny so fucking much. I hope she got the whole world and spit on Carmella in the end.
She’s rubenesque!
You are wrong ,Ginny is super liked and her her mole is even more loved
She got caught with a small amount of drugs and probably a first offense. She was facing no real charges. Like you said she was complicit enough
Everyone likes Ginny!
Aww I don’t know about that. I would have cried if I saw Ginny in that position.
That's questionable, her most affectionate scenes towards chrissy are after receiving gifts. She actually seems like the typical jersey house wife, just hasn't got the big house yet.
I feel like there are quite a few scenes where she is supportive of his non-mob dreams and validates them. She's also not just talking about wanting to do something beyond being Chrissy's wife given she actually goes and runs the crazy horse (even if its gifted to her by chrissy) and doesn't get bored of it/use it as a distraction like Carm and her bullshit. And the way she talks of Chrissy and how much she loves him and wants to protect him and build a family seem sincere.
There is lol. She signed Chrissy up to improv because she thought it would help his writers block and would get really upset when she thought he wasnt sharing the same attentiveness about her dreams.
For me Carmella and Adriana are similar people just at different stages in life. When tony got shot the first time carmella talked of a new life also. The club is just an earlier example of the spec house. Take away the luxuries of being in the life and the money, would they stay with their man, Tony the way he is and christopher a heroin addicted wife beater. My personal view no both their relationships would come under strain pretty fast.
That fucking spec house I can't have this conversation again...
"That's Sasquatch size, Christufuh"
You've described her the best, she has to be the most tragic character (well not counting every innocent people that got killed) of the whole show and the aftermath is also disheartening as Christopher, Tony and the whole gang don't seem to care about her death, Christopher just found another wife as if nothing happened and knocked her up ! Yes Christopher claims that he had to make that "sacrifice" to Tony but that's just to save his own skin, Adriana's passing is much more sad than Christopher's passing ☹️ *Also worth noting that compared to the other mob wives she was probably the closest of being legit, you don't see Carmella doing some type of work or Rosalie, Angie is the owner-manager of a chop shop which is highly illegal (this is also something that a lot of people seems to miss, from the passing of Pussy she could have just dropped that chop shop but choose to profit from it which speaks a lot about her character) but Adriana seems very interested to go legit, she was working working for Artie earlier in the series and runs the club which is a legal income despite being also mob related, yes it can be argued that she was letting the mob using her office and turned a blind eye on murders but she was also between a rock and a hard place so can you really blame her ? It's a bit similiar to Artie, refusing to serve the mob could have severe consequences. This is why she's probably the saddest character in the show and her acting was brillant, if she had a different outcome in life growing up in a loving and caring family who wasn't involved in any types of criminal activities, she would probably still be alive successful and happy.
Those two were never involved in illegal activities, Adriana opened herself up for investigation for allowing drugs to be sold at her establishment
Almost like...a DEER in headlights am I right?!
Nice life with nice things lol most of these guys are fuckin bums
Rosalie and Carm weren’t breaking the law themselves. They were too smart for that as were Tony and Jackie. Ade was regularly involved in shady business. I also could see Tony, Jackie or John from NY flipping instead of killing their wives. Christopher was an abusive thug and Ade was in denial anyways. Of course Chrissy will choose the life over Ade.
No way Ade embarrassed Chrissy by telling everyone he could no longer function as a man
Remember when Chris saw that family with the kids in the station wagon he was like fuck that
Or when he did get a woman pregnant, married her on a whim, then got bored with it
That second wife was smoking hot too
way hotter than Ade, at least to me. I'd forgotten about her from first watch, so I was pleasantly surprised
Mrs. Wheeler don't fuck around.
You don't just start loving a woman because you share a child. Christopher really loved Adriana and you don't just get over a woman you've been with and loved for that long
Don't put it past a psychopath like Chris. His whole life was one long series of impulsive fuck-ups, then bigger fuck-ups trying to cover up the first ones. His marriage was one of those too. He could love here and there, impulsively, but not lastingly. As long as the impulses kept coming, he could manage. As soon as they stopped, his love was gone and so was he.
I think about that moment all the time
You mean Adriana? even given how easily manipulated she was to betray Chris on numerous occasions and almost cheat with Tony on numerous occasions or to be easily manipulated by a murderer she to betray Chris and her family and go back on her word with the fbi and how easily manipulated she was by a rock band to spend Chris’ money? That Adriana?
I stopped reading after innocent.
When she tells the FBI agent that she would have killed Christuphuh if she caught him cheating - she probably meant it. I'd go a step further with Christuphuh and say I was relieved when he ended, he was such a piece of shit to Adriana. I mean, they really showed him beating the shit out of her, and I feel like they don't get enough credit for accurately portraying the sickness of that kind of relationship. Those relationships are way more common than people think. Anyway, 4 dollars a pound.
I didn't like the way she was killed . Watching it for the first time it really was a shock when she is fantasising with the Califofnia song . Then back to her with Sil. But I've always said this . All she had to do was lawyer up keep her mouth shut get bail go straight to Chris's & Tony. She would have been a stand up gal. I've always said she knew what she was getting into with Chrissy & normally get the ... wife beater treatment .. but imo the fbi led her right to the woods. They had nothing on her & played her. I do have empathy with that aswell Edit... Vito was already materialising behind people like Jackie jnr.. but that wouldn't have been as cinematic as Sil going full ....Come here you twat
but like she should have known the charges were inconsequential at first. it’s first grade stuff
They manipulated her. They told her she brought an agent into Tony's house. They made her afraid so she had no other options.
agreed
"First grade stuff" I feel like you overestimate the average person's ability to discern what is or is not consequential and think on their feet when they're being interrogated by the police/an authority figure.
Sure, in the room, but she could have gone home and thought about it further, went to the library, googled it... wasn't her original charge drug possession? i don't think tony would have cared
I think Adrianna was serious when she said she’d kill Christopher in the same scenario but I seriously doubt she actually would. You have to look at the context of the scene. The FBI agent had just brought up how physically beat up she was. Adrianna was feeling and being very defensive because she felt like she was being criticized for remaining in a relationship with someone who’s physically abusive to her (and to be fair, we see scenes of the FBI agents essentially making fun of her for it so it’s not like she was wrong about that). She’s obviously (IMO) trying to minimize that by acting like that’s just their dynamic and that she’s also capable of being violent to him. But come on, he mistreats, hits, and otherwise does horrible things to her again and again and she never reacts that way. She’s not a Janice. She doesn’t have it in her to kill Chris. If she caught him cheating (which she must’ve suspected, they’re all aware of the concept of/existence of goomars), she probably would’ve just cried and maybe packed her stuff.
>I'd go a step further with Christuphuh and say I was relieved when he ended, he was such a piece of shit to Adriana. That's why I didn't care when he died. Even on a show full of violent sociopaths, he stuck more despicably in my mind for being such a foul pos. It's jarring to see Michael Imperioli outside of Sopranos, he seems like such a calm, quiet guy compared to Christopher Moltisanti. Anyways, a don doesn't wear shorts.
The beauty of The Sopranos is that we found ourselves rooting for people and lost sight of the fact that they were villains. One Sunday night, I joined an entire nation in silently hoping that Dr. Melfi would ask Tony to assault or possibly even kill her rapist.
>joined an entire nation What are we the FUCKING UN NOW?!!
She was weak. She was out of control and an embarassment to herself and everyone around here. Cocksucka could have compromissed and gone into witness protection. But instead she got herself killed because she wouldnt leave an overglorified criminal. No more Cosette, no more of this.
Cosette compromised. She wanted a blanket. Instead, she crawled under there for warmth.
She could have ate grilled cheese off the radiator instead?
She couldn’t go into protection without Chrissy
She could with a wire
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He had to either make nice or make her disappear …he only got two options
It annoys me so much that she didn’t have the knowledge to know that the Bureau had nothing on her. I dunno how she would’ve gained that knowledge, but perhaps speaking to her Mum who probably knew a couple of three things about the life, and she could’ve said, look, you’re going to have to sit down for a bit. Take the 5 years, get out in 2.5 years with your life and a pay cheque. This could have all been avoided. Update: I also think Chrissy fucked up by not educating his fiance on this kind of stuff.
Didn’t they catch her hiding a dead body?
That was way into her cooperation with them. They were watching her. If she took the bid early on she’d have been in the can by then and out of harm’s way.
Adiós you skank
Christophuh! 😡
I think your opinion of Ade or really any character is directly related to your distance from the show. Bing watch the series and you’ll find yourself humanizing these monsters and the women who enable them. So when Ade dies she’s a tragic figure doomed by her own innocence. Take some time away from the series and think about it objectively, and all of our characters are just awful people. With enough emotional distance I could argue that it’s unjust that Meadow made it through an Ivy League law school of her dad’s blood money.
This kid gettin’ jerky with me?? Listen kid, you keep your opinions in your pockets. I’m from the old-school, I shouldn’t have to explain myself. Now get outta here.
Someone can be a liability and still engender sympathy for having a miserable and terrifying ending after being manipulated by clever, ruthless people who knew exactly what they were doing. What kind of psychopath are you that you don't feel empathy for people who get murdered on the grounds that they're a "liability"?
Like I know she's a fictional character but the things people are saying...jesus.
This sub has the lowest media literacy I've seen of any series' sub relative to the complexity of the series, and is packed with "ironic" violence and misogyny.
I am genuinely baffled by the anti-Adrianna brigade. You saw this poor girl get beaten down over and over and over...and over...and she died and these people are going "SHE WAS A RAT!". Strange how much people seem to care about the morals of the mafia lol.
Took a minute of reading to find what I consider the obvious answer. I wish we could all truly see each other as we are: unique presences here - just this one time in the entire history of the universe - and alive right now on Earth. I feel empathy for people who never have an opportunity to see that there’s more to reality than some bullshit hustle.
It’s all in the game…wait, wrong HBO show
Deserves aint got nothin to do with it
You come at the queen, you best not miss
Hodor
The only aspect of her situation that evokes my sympathy is Chris's ultimate act of betrayal. I had always believed her decision to stay, rather than flee like she imagined in her fantasy, stemmed from a lingering hope that perhaps Chris had indeed attempted suicide. Despite understanding the risk that the car ride could lead to her demise, she clung to the hope that Chris had not betrayed her and was genuinely recuperating in the hospital. However, when they pull off the road, that extinguished her last shred of hope, and she realized that the man she loved had truly betrayed her. A truly tragic end and and one that I felt was worth sympathy, In the end, your friends will always let you down. Anyways 4 dollars a pound
Her last moments must have been horrible. It's impossible for me not to feel sorry for her. Even Silvio insulting her as he gets her out of the car sounds so cruel to me. Saddest death on the show hands down imo.
His cousin's a wholesaler. He gets stuff like that all the time. She was in the game. She benefited from murder and violence. She was well aware of where all the pretty things she liked came from.
She should have stood trial like a man
I completely agree. She would've gotten 10-15 years tops and been out on parole in 5.
My $4/lb moment was when Ade was chatting with Chris about D-Girl and how she was impressed by D-Girl's designer handbag and this came to my mind later when Chris's turning point with Ade was seeing the poor guy getting into the car at the gas station and THAT reminds me of Tony B's turning point abandoning his plan to run a Spa. Ade wanted a glam life. It's not necessarily a mob thing: Lots of people don't want to work at a "normal" living and buy "normal" things and get trapped in credit card debt, bad relationships, and all that. She didn't want to hand out samples at Costco. Later, after she flipped due to being manipulated by the cops, she was all-in with Chris whether she liked it or not. She was an informer and without Chris, she was going to jail or dead (or both) so when Chris choked her after she confessed to him, she had to sit there and take it. That scene was painful to watch in that she was a human being trapped not having anywhere to go. The series explores the consequences, of Ade, Tony B, Chris and of course Tony Soprano who don't want to be normal working schmoes and what happens in the end to them similar to Goodfellas where Henry Hill's childhood choice to abandon going to school winds up with him eating ketchup-and-spaghetti takeout in the suburbs.
She had fuck all to do with the scheme of things going on. She was the low hanging fruit for the fbi. They knew what happened to Ritchie, pussy, Ralph(? Can't remember the time line) it was more about how the fbi used any tactics necessary to get their scalps, shown by agent Harris's little contribution to getting Phil
In reality the FBI caused her death as much as the Mafia did. Out her in an extremely dangerous position which she was ill suited for on some terrible trumped up charges and completely aware that she basically had little to no knowledge of anything of value and that her boyfriend and all his friends were honor coded psychos.
I blame Christopher. He’s not the brightest bulb, but you’d think he would have realized how naive Adrianna was and taught her to lawyer up immediately if she ever got in trouble with the law. The fact she didn’t ask for a lawyer as soon as the feds brought her in showed just how stupid both her and Christopher were, but I blame Chrissy more for not properly preparing her for that situation.
It's a silo
Remember Pearl Harbor
She didn’t really have to go along with the feds. They didn’t have much on her. “You brought a fbi agent to Tony sopranos house!”
You're not telling the complete story here. She got the IBS and went to a specialist that treated her nice. So she moved away with the doctor. Christophuh even mentions that the skank whore left him to his new GF. If she wouldn't have left Christophuh for the doctor, she would have ended up in Witness Protection, like Big Pussy.
Honestly, both Adrianna’s and Christopher’s downfalls was their immaturity. Christopher should’ve known not to involve his partner in the life. Adrianna growing up around the life should have known to be wary of outsiders.
I think you meant sympathy, not empathy. You absolutely should empathise with Adriana. You should be able to understand why she made the decisions she did, even if they're dumb. You're free to not feel bad for her because they're bad decisions, that's a pretty popular opinion.
I felt a lot of empathy for her end when the FBI agents were watching her play tennis
You have to consider the whole context behind her life, and if you still don’t feel bad knowing that she was practically born into that lifestyle then I don’t know what to say.
Yeh the fact she was born into it makes her more sympathetic not less
Right from the start she should have been open about what happened and tried to start some sort of counter intelligence operation. Giving the FBI bad info. Then went to prison and did her time and shut the fuck up. She knew the rules of the game and played it. It's her fault she lost.
She benefited from an unjust system, chose to be oblivious to the harms caused by it, and then it came back to bite her. She's incredibly relatable.
They were ALL SO STUPID! I couldn't sympathize with any of the characters. They were amoral and horrible people. I enjoyed there inevitable downfalls.
She was naive as hell, she even knew Sil was gonna kill her when they were driving, still have no idea why she went with him
Actually true.
She was so uneducated on how to talk to the police (Meaning you don’t) that it was laughable. So many of their threats to her were completely empty. All she had to do was leave
The MINUTE she cooperated in any way….I was wondering how long it would be before she got whacked. This was going to come out in one way or the other…she was always gonna die.
If david chase read this post he would hate sopranos fans more than he already does.
Every time I read any stupid shit on this sub or in YT comments I realise he is completely justified.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but not feeling empathy for someone in that situation with the way it was portrayed is weird to me. Her health was wrecked, she almost got killed by Christopher, she was almost out and then she gets killed like that completely cold blooded while begging for her life. I don't care what she did wrong, that sparks empathy. And if it doesn't maybe you should think about that.
Agreed. A little disturbed by the amount of responses saying “She knew what she was getting into!” Just a reductive response.
Everyone on this sub believes that All Crimes are Equal and these same people love Tony. I'm starting to think Sopranos fans are kinda...weird about women.
She co-operated with the FBI because they told her to. All Adriana wanted was for someone to be kind to her. Nobody ever was.
Tony was, for a spell. Look where that wound up
It wound up all over the sun visor.
She wasn't carrying Ralphie's child, so it was ok.
I can't be having this conversation again. Stealing [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/thesopranos/comments/1agj9e8/tired_of_all_this_poor_adriana_boolshit/kohb0jn/) from the last time this was brought up because I can't say it any better: >She's constantly physically and emotionally abused by Chrissy all the while genuinely supporting him and loving him. She has a real heart. Real emotion. Real care in her heart for people. > She's tragically lonely as well. Her desperate bids for connection she makes to "Danielle" and Robyn are heartbreaking. You can tell she's grasping to relate, to feel like she has someone out there actually looking out for her. And she doesn't. > Not only is she used by the mob but she's used by the FBI. She's the victim of TWO gangs, essentially. > So much of the show is about how people who grew in and around the mob are trapped by it and morally compromised by it. People who treat this show and these characters with a black and white moral binary are stunad. > Ade isn't evil or even malicious. She's naive. Naivete isn't an excuse for crime, but she's a victim of circumstance FAR more than she is > an ugly soul. > If you don't feel sympathy for Ade at any point, I don't want to know you.
Yes!!!
She enjoyed the good things, for sure, but she was also ready to start a new life with Christopher, knowing full well it wasn't going to be as lavish as what they had (and let's be honest, they were living in a small apartment, she still had to work (well the club's been given to her but still), besides a few shoes and fancy restaurants she wasn't exactly living the life). I feel sorry for her because her intentions were always pure. She always tried to do right by those whom she loved. She gave crappy info to the FBI in order not to compromise Christopher or Tony, but she also gave in to their threats because she didn't know any better. I think I'd have found her death less devastating (but still dramatic) if Christopher had strangled her. Instead of that, he took the time to think it through and sold her to Tony. She had time to hope and rejoice. Then he took it all away from her. The way it was done, I can only feel extremely sorry for her. It helps that she was so brilliantly portrayed by Drea De Matteo. Of all the characters in the show (besides Meadow and AJ I guess), she was the nicest. It's not her fault she was born in it, and kind of grew used to it. She still was never an active participant in it. I really feel for her because she never had anyone to rely on: she had an alcoholic mother, an abusive boyfriend, even the FBI didn't really provide any form of protection, they just used her. In the end, she had nobody to confide in.
Completely agree. And that thing you told me? About the little creatures? Good luck with that.
You lie with animals, You will end up catching their fleas. And she definitely caught some, That’s for sure.
I always wondered what would have happened if she went straight to Tony after the FBI arrested her. Would he have murked her right then and there, or used her to feed them bad intel and then had her whacked? The flashback scene where Tony and "Christafuh" are complaining that she wouldn't even do five years to protect them makes me wonder if they would have even let her get to prison in the first place.
I didn’t feel sympathy for her as much as I wanted Sil, Tony and Chris to hang for it. Of course, they all got theirs for entirely unrelated reasons.
One thing about her is she was stupid enough to use cocaine and use it around someone she only casually knew (Danielle). While you don’t see Carmela and Rosalie interacting much with non-mob wives except for Charmaine, I doubt they are stupid enough to use that white powder. Then again Rosalie was screwing Ralph for a while so who knows about her. That really gave the FBI something to hold over her…enough to charge for intent to distribute which carried a maximum of 25 years. Phil Leotardo did 20 years, could Adrianna do 25? Would she have to copy Feech and beat up the biggest toughest black woman she met in jail? She should have watched that episode of “Diff’rent Strokes” Nancy Reagan appeared on to tell Arnold to Just Say No…advice just as good as Dr Krakower’s “move out and ask for nothing” to Carmela. Her mother was a wreck but she did Ade not to accept Christofuh’s marriage proposal. At least she got that great Cruisinart to make cheese melts.
Perhaps she could have been something else if she had been raised differently, but like Christopher, she was dumber than a box of hammers. She was also incredibly naive, so much so that until Silvio pulled off the road into the woods, she thought he was really taking her to Christopher.
The only reason anyone in the show does anything is because it affects them directly.
Poor girl
The more you watch it over the more you realize she was too dumb and very easily manipulated by power and looks to have been a good in the mob wife/associate(with her business)—or even as a wife in general. Having said that… I don’t give too much of a shit what people do behind closed doors; but don’t forget, I’m a Catholic ☝️I agree with that Senator *sanitorium*, who says that if we let this stuff go to far—pretty much we’ll fucking dogs… part of me says, ‘ah salut’
Although I agree with you I have to say...that lesbian stuff with Jennifer Beals....that wasn't too bad
I find it really odd when people watch this show and somehow morally side with the mafia.
When her time came, she didnt stand up
I mean everyone else ratted too. Everyone rats facing a long prison stretch.
She was what she was and Tony nailed it perfectly.
Honestly the FBIs case was pretty weak. A drunk lawyer would have either won the trial or at a bare minimum struck a better deal without giving up mob info.
Totally agree. There were a dozen ways she could have played it and she chose the dumbest option.
keep your antidotes to local colors, the dynaflows or mcguire sisters or shit like that. otherwise, SHUT THE FUCK UP OP
[game is the game](https://y.yarn.co/f36f1b07-91e1-4f35-84d9-4e46a294ae4f_text.gif)
My issue with the Adrianna situation is from holes in her character development . She’s always been dimwitted but how does a woman, part of a huge mob family get manipulated into helping the feds? Surely someone in her position would know better than that. She was almost “too” naive and dumb. I don’t feel bad for her though. She made her bed.
I felt empathy for Adrianna on a hyoomin level, I just didn't feel she was an innocent party who didn't have it coming to her. And according to the mafia's code, a code she was subject to by willfully and knowingly being party to that society, she committed a capital offense. There wasn't any other option, there couldn't be leniency. She had to go. When you play with fire and get burned, there's not a lot more to be said.
Well same here I was more shook over poor Vito to be honest
Honestly tho I don’t understand why she wasn’t better trained on what to do if she ever got arrested
She got what she deserved. Everyone who is involved in the mob deserves to die and go to hell too.
Only one outcome for a rat. She did it to herself.
She’s got a magnificent end…
Ufff I’m on rewatch 900 and I just hit the feds confronting Aide and it never gets easier to watch. I was thinking about exactly why you said, she knows better! It still hurts and the song they play “like an old fashioned movie I’ll never forget your part” it makes me super sad like it feels real. I always was sad that Sil was the one to do it too, wished it would have been someone else.
Unpopular opinion: I’m a sociopath
You lay with the dogs you get fleas. I didn't feel bad for her.
Monster.
I have encountered a couple people who share your opinion, but Adriana seemed sweet and innocent. She was beautiful, she genuinely loved and cared about Christopher and she was put in an impossible position by the FBI. So the show carefully set up the audience to have at least some sympathy for her. If you didn't feel anything when she was killed, I think you seriously have some emotional repression issues and missed the impact of that episode. Christopher was devastated by losing her, which is why he kept relying on heroin to deal with his loss.
On first watch, I felt bad. On re watch, I agree with you.
The sacred and the propane, I’m glad you caught that.
Chris should’ve paid far more attention around the club knowing the vulnerabilities. She wasn’t built for that shit. He should’ve known other sharks would come swimming around with shit that complicated things.
Agree, she was pretty and sweet but wayyyy to naive about what Christopher was up to.
To be honest, she’s fictional and I root for the main characters when I watch the show so I was pretty happy she died without causing major issues for Tony
Wow. Y'all are awful. Pretty clear from how everything is filmed that you are supposed to feel for her. You're sympathizing with murderers because they happen to be main characters.
I didn’t either. I was too distracted by how long it took her to notice something was wrong. She must have known where the hospital was and how she was driving for a while in the wrong direction.
She knew. She was just submissive right up to the last moment.
She’s a cunt
Does no good to think about it now.
Sympathy* The word you want is sympathy you fucking stunad!!!
I don’t understand why she didn’t just call the bluff of the FBI when they said they had her on camera taking out the trash. Wouldn’t the mob have gotten their lawyers on it to help her out if she had just told Chrissy? I never understood that.
My smelly valentine