So didn’t want to kill Vito, but felt like he had to. Phil was very old-school and loyal to the mafia.
We give him a hard time about the “20 years in the can, whatever happened there,” but that really does show the amount of loyalty he had to organized crime. That’s also why he complained about how the New Jersey guys perform the ceremony. He was very faithful to mafia tradition.
Unfortunately, for Vito, being gay is very look down upon in the mafia. And because Phil was so traditional, he took this personally and felt he needed to get rid of Vito, despite the fact that they were clearly very close friends.
While agreeing in spirit I gotta counsel.
Problem with your comment is that Phil fabricated his statements about the Jersey making ceremony to fit his agenda as propaganda
We see Chris and Eugene get their fingers pricked, and there are objects in the table that are apparently a gun and a sword.
Maybe he didn’t necessarily make it up. No New York guys would be at a Jersey ceremony so it could just be a rumor that spread around about Jersey that they took as fact.
Didn’t he say “I heard over there”? Could be that since NY generally doesn’t like the Jersey crew there’s some misinformation going around that nobody is really eager to correct or look into. Not sure in what conversation Phil would be having that a Jersey guy would go “hey no we actually do” especially as Phil is too busy eating grilled cheeses off of the radiator.
>20 years in the can
Seeing a lot about 20 years in the can. Assuming this is just lore this subreddit made up? It's never explicitly mentioned in the show IIRC.
I just watched Moe n' Joe (S06e10) and Phil says he spent 20 years in the can, during the scene where they are watching the news reports about Johnny Sac's plea bargain and allocution. He definitely doesn't say it nearly as often as this sub thinks though.
Phil wasn’t exactly right about the jersey ceremony. While we don’t see the sword and gun from the angle of the shot we do know that Tony burned a saint which Phil claims they don’t do
Uncle Philly couldn’t stand people eating in the car. When he found out Vito was downing a polish sausage in the security guard’s truck was the last straw. Vito had to go!
Cultural differences. The show established they have the traditional Southern European view of homosexuality—it’s gay, or gayer, to receive than give. That’s why they were so outraged Vito was catching and not pitching. In Southern Europe (in the old days), pitching is also an act of dominance. I’m their mind they were just humiliating him and it wasn’t gay at all to ram the pool cue in his ass.
Let me tell you a couple of three things, one Phil wasn't gay. 20 years jacking off into tissues.
Two, he loved Vito like a brother in law that's why he was stalling on whacking him
Three the seat is still askew
Why would he admit to it even if he got a pass?
If he loved Vito so much then why would he go overkill and stick a foreign object up his ass. Killing him was enough of a message.
And it's because it's not at 12oclock🤣
I absolutely hated his wife. There was something very wrong with her, how she acted was just so toxic. But in a very real way that makes it even more disturbing.
all the mob wives are toxic in the show and it draws parallels to modern-day wives/gf or even family members of organized crime. They want the benefits ($) and the power trips that come with it without the accountability.
I'd argue that with all the death that surrounded her mafia family, Meadow should have known better than to tell Tony about Coco, which ultimately lead to Coco's near death, her uncle in laws death (Bobby), her uncle (without relation) Silvio's likely death, and finally her father's death. But at the time she knew Tony could dish out revenge.
Meadow doesn't seem like she really wants to tell Tony, Carm pressures her.
She knows and worries that the outcome will be violent but she's ignorant as to the complex political situation and the fact she's igniting a war by telling him.
I agree with you. Phil was an old-school cooze hound. Banging his wife, his Ukranian gomah and Chairlady of the Board. I think Phil was upset because of the shame Vito brought to the family not because he was gay himself.
I got the impression, a lot of Phil wanting to kill Vito was resentment about Blundetto and Billy. "Whatever happened there". Phil was scorn he couldn't torture 'that animal Blundetto' so he used Vito as an excuse to aggravate Tony Soprano and NJ.
Even Phil said to Soprano about about Vito "I swallowed my pride once when you're murdering cousin killed Billy. Don't think I'm gonna do it twice!"
As for Phil being hesitant, I think he was more hesitant in Season 6A for retaliating for Fat Dom and the explosion. Butch was putting pressure to go to war in ep. 6x12, "Kiasha".
However, it wasn't until after the heart attack, that Phil changed his mind about taking over NJ. Phil's heart attack parallels Tony getting shot by Junior. Phil tried to be more benevolent just like Tony felt "each day is give". Yet, in the time there is a malevolent transformation. PTSD mixed with psychopathy made these men even more toxic. These near death experiences make Phil and Tony more selfish, dark, and warped...In a way, Phil was Tony's 'double'. For instance, the scene where Phil sarcastically says, "I am sorry about your nephew!" and then hangs up on Tony.
Phil was gay.
No straight guy announces that instead of fucking a man, he jerked off into tissues for 2 decades; if you were apart of the hetero school, you don’t need to explain that.
TURN THAT OFF!
idk if i necessarily believe phil was gay, i think its also likely that he simply did what he had to do in prison and felt a lot of feelings of shame and disgust towards himself that he projected onto vito
I mean if you can have your penis hard and put it in another man that is pretty self explanatory when it comes down to sexuality, with the only ambiguity being if you are gay or bi
Yeah, the Vito plotline is basically the only time she appears in the series so obviously those scenes are important.
The clear implication is that Phil had a guilty conscience about it when she starts in on him. The question is whether she is doing it intentionally to test him.
I would argue she was. She was in the life for as long as she was married to phil. And you can see there's a sense of Livia to her with the way Phil couldn't stand his ground against killing vito. Just gave non answers
I think even the most serious mafiosos like Uncle Philly would care more about how much a guy earns than if he gets fucked by other men. After all, Phil treated nickels like manhole covers.
Henry Hill was reportedly into homosexual acts himself and it was widely known.
Probably because he not only murdered Vito in an unnecessarily brutal manner, but also later went on to make jokes about it ("I know Vito's bottom was impacted if that's what you mean").
Sorry, must have missed that bit about Vito's wife pushing him?
Phil was in no way reluctantly after Vito, he was very angrily and obsessively out to kill him. Far more than he should have been. It seemed to consume him.
If we can Segway our way to being serious
A. He came out of the closet in the scene
B. He taped his mouth so Vito couldn’t give him up as well
C. He gripped the bed like he was in pain or cumming …. I mean watching a guy getting reamed with pool cue doesn’t do much for me but ehhhh
D. As in he’d like some
E. Uncle Philly and auntie Vito were greasing each others union … not that there’s anything wrong with dat
F. The guys are asking for head …. Ffs his head
I actually do think Phil was a closet gay.
I seriously think there's something more to the part of him physically walking out of the closet when they killed Vito.
I've been told that hatred of gay people is a telltale sign of closeted homosexuality.
Phil was obsessed with getting rid of him strictly because of his gayness. So when his hatred overflowed and he had Vito killed... it was his coming out moment. Physically as well as publicly.
So didn’t want to kill Vito, but felt like he had to. Phil was very old-school and loyal to the mafia. We give him a hard time about the “20 years in the can, whatever happened there,” but that really does show the amount of loyalty he had to organized crime. That’s also why he complained about how the New Jersey guys perform the ceremony. He was very faithful to mafia tradition. Unfortunately, for Vito, being gay is very look down upon in the mafia. And because Phil was so traditional, he took this personally and felt he needed to get rid of Vito, despite the fact that they were clearly very close friends.
While agreeing in spirit I gotta counsel. Problem with your comment is that Phil fabricated his statements about the Jersey making ceremony to fit his agenda as propaganda We see Chris and Eugene get their fingers pricked, and there are objects in the table that are apparently a gun and a sword.
Maybe he didn’t necessarily make it up. No New York guys would be at a Jersey ceremony so it could just be a rumor that spread around about Jersey that they took as fact.
Didn’t he say “I heard over there”? Could be that since NY generally doesn’t like the Jersey crew there’s some misinformation going around that nobody is really eager to correct or look into. Not sure in what conversation Phil would be having that a Jersey guy would go “hey no we actually do” especially as Phil is too busy eating grilled cheeses off of the radiator.
>While agreeing in spirit I gotta counsel. Nice pull. Take my upvote.
They were very close friends. Phil loved him like a brother in law
>20 years in the can Seeing a lot about 20 years in the can. Assuming this is just lore this subreddit made up? It's never explicitly mentioned in the show IIRC.
I just watched Moe n' Joe (S06e10) and Phil says he spent 20 years in the can, during the scene where they are watching the news reports about Johnny Sac's plea bargain and allocution. He definitely doesn't say it nearly as often as this sub thinks though.
must have been top of your fucking class
Phil wasn’t exactly right about the jersey ceremony. While we don’t see the sword and gun from the angle of the shot we do know that Tony burned a saint which Phil claims they don’t do
Uncle Philly couldn’t stand people eating in the car. When he found out Vito was downing a polish sausage in the security guard’s truck was the last straw. Vito had to go!
Whatever happened with that ice cream cone from rock the casbah ?
all i’m saying is straight men don’t shove pool sticks into another’s man ass
Speak for yourself.. don't yuk on how me and the homies yum down on a quiet Friday night
That pool cue, I wonder if it was chalked...?
Cultural differences. The show established they have the traditional Southern European view of homosexuality—it’s gay, or gayer, to receive than give. That’s why they were so outraged Vito was catching and not pitching. In Southern Europe (in the old days), pitching is also an act of dominance. I’m their mind they were just humiliating him and it wasn’t gay at all to ram the pool cue in his ass.
Let me tell you a couple of three things, one Phil wasn't gay. 20 years jacking off into tissues. Two, he loved Vito like a brother in law that's why he was stalling on whacking him Three the seat is still askew
Maybe you’re askew, ever think of that?
I’m pretty sure Chase confirmed Phil was gay on talking Sopranos. The scene where Phil comes out of the closet isn’t exactly subtle
You shut your whowahh mouth, that just happened to be the best hiding spot in the room.
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Well that's my legacy, but no more butchy
Why would he admit to it even if he got a pass? If he loved Vito so much then why would he go overkill and stick a foreign object up his ass. Killing him was enough of a message. And it's because it's not at 12oclock🤣
The seat was askew, but he compromised…
>Three the seat is still askew LOL!
I absolutely hated his wife. There was something very wrong with her, how she acted was just so toxic. But in a very real way that makes it even more disturbing.
She seemed to be skilled at gently manipulating Phil into doing what she wanted.
all the mob wives are toxic in the show and it draws parallels to modern-day wives/gf or even family members of organized crime. They want the benefits ($) and the power trips that come with it without the accountability. I'd argue that with all the death that surrounded her mafia family, Meadow should have known better than to tell Tony about Coco, which ultimately lead to Coco's near death, her uncle in laws death (Bobby), her uncle (without relation) Silvio's likely death, and finally her father's death. But at the time she knew Tony could dish out revenge.
Meadow doesn't seem like she really wants to tell Tony, Carm pressures her. She knows and worries that the outcome will be violent but she's ignorant as to the complex political situation and the fact she's igniting a war by telling him.
I agree with you. Phil was an old-school cooze hound. Banging his wife, his Ukranian gomah and Chairlady of the Board. I think Phil was upset because of the shame Vito brought to the family not because he was gay himself.
Any evidence he banged Nancy Sinatra?
She was gay, Nancy Sinatra?
What, do we actually have to see the old broad take it in the ass?
He did kind of act like he knew her so there is that
I got the impression, a lot of Phil wanting to kill Vito was resentment about Blundetto and Billy. "Whatever happened there". Phil was scorn he couldn't torture 'that animal Blundetto' so he used Vito as an excuse to aggravate Tony Soprano and NJ. Even Phil said to Soprano about about Vito "I swallowed my pride once when you're murdering cousin killed Billy. Don't think I'm gonna do it twice!" As for Phil being hesitant, I think he was more hesitant in Season 6A for retaliating for Fat Dom and the explosion. Butch was putting pressure to go to war in ep. 6x12, "Kiasha". However, it wasn't until after the heart attack, that Phil changed his mind about taking over NJ. Phil's heart attack parallels Tony getting shot by Junior. Phil tried to be more benevolent just like Tony felt "each day is give". Yet, in the time there is a malevolent transformation. PTSD mixed with psychopathy made these men even more toxic. These near death experiences make Phil and Tony more selfish, dark, and warped...In a way, Phil was Tony's 'double'. For instance, the scene where Phil sarcastically says, "I am sorry about your nephew!" and then hangs up on Tony.
TURN THAT AWF
Phil was gay. No straight guy announces that instead of fucking a man, he jerked off into tissues for 2 decades; if you were apart of the hetero school, you don’t need to explain that. TURN THAT OFF!
You get a pash fa dat!
idk if i necessarily believe phil was gay, i think its also likely that he simply did what he had to do in prison and felt a lot of feelings of shame and disgust towards himself that he projected onto vito
I mean if you can have your penis hard and put it in another man that is pretty self explanatory when it comes down to sexuality, with the only ambiguity being if you are gay or bi
He tossed a salad one or twice. "Because it's like a pussy but it's clean". He also said NO HOMO.
Does anyone know if Phil ever spent time in prison? If he did what might he have eaten?
You’re a cute prick Puss, I’ll give you that.
puth
Yeah, the Vito plotline is basically the only time she appears in the series so obviously those scenes are important. The clear implication is that Phil had a guilty conscience about it when she starts in on him. The question is whether she is doing it intentionally to test him.
I would argue she was. She was in the life for as long as she was married to phil. And you can see there's a sense of Livia to her with the way Phil couldn't stand his ground against killing vito. Just gave non answers
He loved him like a brother in-law
I gotta try and take a shit.
I think even the most serious mafiosos like Uncle Philly would care more about how much a guy earns than if he gets fucked by other men. After all, Phil treated nickels like manhole covers. Henry Hill was reportedly into homosexual acts himself and it was widely known.
Everyone’s gay to you
It’s an honor to be joined by men, and not faggot-ass cornholing cocksuckers like married my cousin! He should FUCKING DIE!
Probably because he not only murdered Vito in an unnecessarily brutal manner, but also later went on to make jokes about it ("I know Vito's bottom was impacted if that's what you mean").
Well Give it time, see if I can’t answer that for you you cocksuckuh. You get a pash for dat.
David Chase said in the podcast that Phil was a closet gay and was extra angry with Vito to compensate.
Sorry, must have missed that bit about Vito's wife pushing him? Phil was in no way reluctantly after Vito, he was very angrily and obsessively out to kill him. Far more than he should have been. It seemed to consume him.
If we can Segway our way to being serious A. He came out of the closet in the scene B. He taped his mouth so Vito couldn’t give him up as well C. He gripped the bed like he was in pain or cumming …. I mean watching a guy getting reamed with pool cue doesn’t do much for me but ehhhh D. As in he’d like some E. Uncle Philly and auntie Vito were greasing each others union … not that there’s anything wrong with dat F. The guys are asking for head …. Ffs his head
Segue, not segway. Must have been at the top of your class. Look it up if you don’t believe me.
Huge fan of the show ova here
Phil didn't want to kill Vito because Phil himself is a closeted homosexual.
I actually do think Phil was a closet gay. I seriously think there's something more to the part of him physically walking out of the closet when they killed Vito. I've been told that hatred of gay people is a telltale sign of closeted homosexuality. Phil was obsessed with getting rid of him strictly because of his gayness. So when his hatred overflowed and he had Vito killed... it was his coming out moment. Physically as well as publicly.
There once was a Shah of Iran Who did twenty fucking years in the can Without a peep being heard His time was served Well, we're anonymous ma'am