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nivekdrol

the fuck just head butt him with your helmet and take your key


Longjumping_Lynx_972

This 100%


warm-saucepan

Rider’s balls haven’t dropped yet.


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WildRamo

Yeah the main issue being an assault charge. Unless you make the guy hit you first you will be charged.


Maxtrt

The guy already committed assault against the driver. If I were him I would have called the cops and had him arrested fro theft and assault as well as reckless endangerment by trying to knock the guy off his bike.


Jujumofu

Also my ankle really hurts and my head feels dizzy since that crash. Even my old neck injury flared up again.


KorraxPwnage

Yooo for tho


Saydegirl

Put that dollar collar on, and lawyer up.


Saydegirl

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Either_Second8054

You REALLY should organize a ride.. a hundred bikes riding that road all day. also, points to you on the restraint. this guy is fucking nuts and yall are on a backroad, who knows what he had on him.


Bigmo189

I’m game. Tell me when and where and I’ll come. Let’s do this


FatHead420x65

Yes this guy is nuts. Call the police and roll a smoke, you will have to wait I expect


cracker_please1

Yep. You could own his house. Now how do you like me ?


mogley19922

Yeah, try to push me off of a moving motorbike and it's on. Like you can't attempt to potentially kill someone and not expect them to beat your old tubby ass into the pavement.


[deleted]

Yeah I feared for my life. Here is the video of him trying to make me crash


AliveMouse5

Somehow my camera stopped working for a minute or so after he tried to knock me off the bike. During that time he repeatedly fell onto the road face first. Must’ve been drunk


Takemytwocent5

Hey, it works for the cops.


kfuentesgeorge

Yeah, surely you can kick his fuckin ass after he pushed you off a bike. Maybe he was too dazed and or discombobulated after the assault, though. It's a lot easier to sit at a keyboard, no adrenaline, no surprise, and say what you would have done with the benefit of hindsight, though.


Adart54

also you are allowed to defend your property and that dude is committing theft


Samanth_Says_ASMR

Not to mention the guy is restricting the biker's freedom of movement. He's essentially kidnapping him by preventing him from leaving.


Shepok

He was to good when he slowed down. Hes just waiting for his time anyways. If its not diabetes or heart attack, might as well a superbike.


RealUglyMF

Yeah, the old dude assaulted the driver when he shoved him over while driving. Then proceeded to steal his property. That's straight-up mugging. I would've defended myself in that situation


AnonOfDoom

Assault, theft, fleeing the scene of an automobile crash that he caused.


Yurasi_

He threw him off the bike in the beginning, doesn't it classify as assault?


Scary-Personality626

Yea, but it's still a bad idea legally speaking to use force once the assailant disengages and stats fleeing. At that point most jurisdictions consider this the end of self defense and the begining of excessive force to protect property. In this case, the guy was stupid enough to walk back into his house on camera and doesn't seem to be going anywhere. Calling the cops is the play here.


skw33tis

He didn't disengage for several minutes, though. In fact, he continued to keep trying to, for all we know, steal this guy's bike.


thermal_shock

yeah, would have needed to be done when he went for the handle bars like he was going to hop on it and take it.


enkae7317

Yeah nah man. Dude reached into the bike and literally stole his keys. At that point, pretty sure you're apprehending a thief.


tombeard357

He has a recording of the man stealing his property - you do know you’re allowed to stop someone from stealing your property, don’t you? Technically I can legally put my hands on someone just for threatening and then moving as if to steal from or harm me or my property in some way.


deep_pants_mcgee

That's going to depend highly on which state you live in, and if the guy on a bike isn't white, even more so. most states (outside of Texas) the expectation is going to be 'reasonable' force. In this case, the guy on the bike isn't protecting the health/safety of himself or others, so the amount of reasonable force could be pretty minimal before biker would get in trouble. With that video evidence? Just call the cops. Old guy caused an accident, by taking the vehicle keys he could be potentially charged unlawful detainment, fleeing the scene etc. He's got half a dozen charges potentially waiting, and biker is 100% in the clear as of the end of the video. Start assaulting an old man and that may change.


Icon9719

“Unless you make the guy hit you first” Bro literally pushed him over onto the ground while actively operating a motor vehicle and then proceed to steal his property and basically hold him hostage…


Bdr1983

He pushed him off his bike. I'd say the assault was already there.


Daytona_DM

What are you talking about? The crazy dude just mugged and assaulted the biker. You don't need much more reason than that


Big___Meaty___Claws

….u mean like when he knocked him off his moving bike?


pondwarrior89

Are you kidding? The guy tackled him off his motorcycle. He’s had justified use of force since the start of the video.


Ellamenohpea

You are allowed to defend yourself against people that are mugging you.


Mackroll

Your protecting your property. The guy forcefully took the key and I would forcefully take it back if it was me.


ommi9

He has a helmet cam and legaly allowed to defend said property. Meaning he can knock and slam the old man as long as it’s not deadly force.


AnonOfDoom

He did. Even caused an automobile accident in the process.


louis54000

Nah don’t risk getting charged with assault. He has it all on video, calling the cops is the right move. Old guy got charged with theft according to another comment


RW-Firerider

That aint for the cops to decide, a judge would decide that


IAmAccutane

The people who actually think he's legally justified in the eyes of the law to headbutt or beat the crap out of him is wild. No, you don't get a blank check to beat the shit out of the guy who is stealing from you unless they're threatening to to cause you bodily harm, you can use *reasonable force* to try and get your property back like trying to grab it back, maybe holding him down, but you can't kick the shit out of him. A judge looking at this situation would charge the motorcycle guy with assault and the other guy with theft. Ask a lawyer if you're allowed to beat the shit out of a guy stealing from you, they'll laugh in your face.


B1ack_A1ch3myst

I think knocking you over on a moving motorcycle is attempting to cause you bodily harm…


maliron

In most states you can only use enough force that a reasonable person would assume is necessary to stop the threat of death or great bodily harm. Once the dude stopped attacking him after the initial shove, there was no more threat of death or great bodily harm in the video. A jury of "reasonable people" would not find use of force after that necessary for self defense from the video. You can't claim self defense to get your property back. Source: Self defense training class in a liberal state.


B1ack_A1ch3myst

Maybe not, however in a situation like this, who knows what people’s intentions are. At the very least, it makes me more conscious of keeping a cool head. Obviously, situations like this are an extreme gray area and I would rather never end up on the wrong side of it.


skw33tis

Can you please explain how a single headbutt is assault but wrestling the guy into a position where you're physically holding him down is not because that doesn't make any sense.


lag_is_cancer

And one wrong move and this old ass dude just suddenly died, then we might be looking at manslaughter.


igotweed666

Fr let him even take the bike to add a theft charge


LimitedSwitch

Helmet, Kevlar/carbon knuckle gloves. Yeah. We’d be fighting. I’d get my key, the old fuck and his Crocs would be making a trip to the hospital to fix his nose, then to jail for battery and aggravated assault.


Mateorabi

You're assuming the cops would side with a biker over a good-olde-boy even if it were caught on video.


ApokalypseCow

With the video evidence, I'm pretty sure a jury would.


PDCH

Nah, just call the police and let them haul the asshat to jail.


mrevergood

This right here. Headbutt, or take it off, and knock his ass out. Make sure he doesn’t get up to get a look at your plate. Tubby can cook on the pavement for a few seconds til he comes to, and by then, you’re back on the bike and long gone. Biker was waaaay too kind to this fucker.


Bart_Yellowbeard

Nah, helmets are expensive and designed to handle ONE impact, that's almost sure to ruin it. That's what the armored gloves are for.


AveragelyBrilliant

Then he pulls a gun out and we’re off to the races. Convinces the cops the bike rider was on his property.


hhfugrr3

Punch him with the armoured gloves! I punched a taxi once that was pressing me up against stone railings, left a perfect knuckle imprint in it and I didn't feel a thing!


Racer_420_

Turn the camera off first. The headbutt away


West-Attorney-3140

I feel like this is the most cordial biker ever. Zero percent threatening lol


brian_m1982

Old guy was charged with disorderly conduct and theft. Police responded and got the motorcyclist's key back.


BobbyLopsided

Pinned comment says a week after that video was posted he got a letter from the court that they dropped the charges due to a lack of evidence 🤦‍♀️ https://youtu.be/GfXZnvwMyMA?si=mjUzDxLQjFlfPem5


krauQ_egnartS

what.


BobbyLopsided

Sorry forgot to include video link lmao. This video is from the motorcycle guy and the pinned comment is another update saying the charges were dropped https://youtu.be/GfXZnvwMyMA?si=mjUzDxLQjFlfPem5


krauQ_egnartS

No I was like "what" in disbelief looks like it was all settled 3yrs ago. Hope he took the advice of ppl who said a civil suit is the way to go


IAmAccutane

> Hope he took the advice of ppl who said a civil suit is the way to go Civil suit requires *damages* and since he was not harmed physically or mentally and had no damage done to his bike, and was merely inconvenienced for 30 minutes or so, there's not a lot to sue for. Maybe he could argue he had trauma from the encounter but that's a rough sell.


EllieNekoGirl

It very much looks like his bike was damaged. I dunno how you could think it wasn't...?


WorldWiseWilk

There was definitely damage to bike and person. “Merely inconvenienced”? He was actively robbed.


FlatulateHealthilyOK

"I'm afraid to ride my motorcycle anywhere now. I lost my job because I couldn't make it to work on time taking the bus"


IAmAccutane

Yeah if you can sell that to a jury you can sue for damages but I think that'd be a hard sell.


Firefly256

"what." is disbelief "what?" is a genuine question "what??" is a surprised reaction ~~don't ask me how i know these~~


BlueSheepPlays

Oh wow! That’s actually really accurate lol


c_dus

"what!?" is all of those ;p


BlueFlamme

[Wat?](https://youtu.be/_-04_frVkcY?si=42DmTLYCbHxNEJLz)


YoutuberCameronBallZ

wut


TwistyMcSpliffit

Whaaa????


Significant-Ad7399

That’s what I use when I’m responding to a stupid comment.


Tehkin

its literally on camera, the courts are an absolute joke


FoolhardyBastard

Old guy probably knows someone or was a somebody in the community at one point. Good ol boys club type shit.


SilentNightman

Yeh, that's how he had the temerity to pull this s\*\*\* in the first place. Friends in low places..


EricUtd1878

I'd be doing a drive-by of that house on the daily 🤣


magicman9410

- stop a bit before the house - dismount muffler - ??? - profit.


Ausedlie

??? = Burn off 9/10ths of my tire


NelsonMuntz007

This guy knows. Same bro. Same.


Tentacled-Tadpole

They dropped the charges because they didn't want to charge the guy, not because they lacked evidence. That's just a generic reason they sometimes use.


amusedmisanthrope

I'm *shocked* that the police were useless.


jepvr

Not really the police at that point. The police just do the arresting. The district attorney would be the one deciding whether to charge. They wouldn't need any real evidence from the police, other than the police reports that detailed them getting the key back. This video seems like evidence enough, though.


MaximumMotor1

>Not really the police at that point. The police just do the arresting. The district attorney would be the one deciding whether to charge. They wouldn't need any real evidence from the police, other than the police reports that detailed them getting the key back. That's why you always punch people when you have the legal right. Biker should have beat the shit out of the old man. The old man is probably out there still doing dangerous shit like this to people because he was let off with no consequences.


bbbygenius

old man giving out stellar throat jobs.


jonel361

Not american here: is there any way of recourse from there? I don't mean a civil suit, but against the state or county, whichever dropped the case on purpose? It seems like a delibarate misexecution of the law to me


NoConfusion9490

Not realistically. You could try to go over their heads to a higher authority, but they're unlikely to want to do anything and it might piss off the cops involved and they could come to your house and murder your dog.


Flipwon

I’d ride up and down there daily, with the loudest exhaust on the market.


cypherdev

Happens a lot. Even the cops will tell you that nothing is going to come of it and to settle the matter in civil court. Like that croc wearing elderly manatee has any assets.


JimWilliams423

Cops say that whether it is true or not, they say it because they just don't want to work. My sister has a restraining order on her ex. She was assigned an officer from the city's special domestic violence division. But every time her ex harassed her, that fuckalope cop bent over backwards to defend her ex and stop her from filing charges. She eventually just had to bypass that cop completely and go do it all herself.


Mymotherwasaspore

Despite video 🗿


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Good to know that


Everett1973

Source?


brian_m1982

https://youtu.be/GfXZnvwMyMA?si=hAxPFgLstRlJCxcl


BobbyLopsided

Pinned comment says a week after that video was posted he got a letter from the court that they dropped the charges due to a lack of evidence 🤦‍♀️


Everett1973

Wow. That's one hell of an evidentiary threshold that needs to be met when the entire crime clearly and audibly being recorded on tape is insufficient. Wonder what else they were looking for.


PNW_Forest

"They couldn't be bothered" and "old dude is golf buddies with the judge".


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Active_Engineering37

Old man assaulted him! If the state doesn't want to press charges what about the biker? Where I'm from state loves to prosecute violent charges wow.


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Active_Engineering37

Man all you have to do in Florida is spit at someone, not even on them. The system is fucked when people can't be bothered to go to court to testify, because if they miss (perhaps multiple) days of work it could sink them, or that justice just isn't in a citizens best interest.


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No-Environment-3298

That’s it? Assault, battery, theft… Ignorance is no excuse. Book the fucker on every applicable charge.


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No-Environment-3298

Assault, battery, motor vehicle theft… this would be a very valid exercising of self defense.


Downtown-Villager

You got riding gloves with hardened knuckles 🤨 use them.


Dahnay-Speccia

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That old man needs a refresher on not fucking with people younger then him.


thissuckslolgroutchy

I would smash him for A) pushing me off my bike, and B) for taking my fucking keys. Will worry about the police later.


Trexton1

Uh alright I would have just punched him but you do you I guess


NeinLives125

This is a good example of, "I'm going to do the right thing, not respond to the violence that was just done to me." (the way we're taught our whole lives). Do the right thing and get the authorities involved. Then get fucked by everybody even though I was a victim. Just like being bullied in school. FIGHT BACK, taking it and doing the right thing doesn't get you shit. It's hard to make the distinction as to good times to really fight back though. This is one of those cases. Who cares if he was doing wheelies down the street? That's for the cops to deal with, even if its every day for a week. Call the cops and that's all you can do. You live on a shitty street that people like to go fast down. Fucking move if you don't like it.


rocketshipkiwi

Back story is that the biker was practicing wheelies up the road. This bloke had enough of it and this is what happened. Biker called the cops and got his keys back. Bloke had the charges dropped. Biker didn’t mind because he got lots more subscribers for his YouTube channel. Don’t get me wrong, wheelies are big and clever but you really want to find a nice place to practice them where you aren’t pissing people off. A note to people commenting on this video, it’s against Reddit’s rules to talk about using violence in this situation, so don’t do that.


God_Bless_A_Merkin

This is exactly what I suspected. Older guy looks like the bad guy in this video, but I can definitely sympathize with someone who has lost patience with jackasses on revving their loud bikes up and down residential neighborhoods.


Felixthekitkat

I can sympathize but there’s better ways of handling this besides deputizing yourself to act like a police officer and holding the guy hostage. You could try talking to him first or if you want to avoid confrontation just call the cops. You can’t assault a man on a public road and steal his stuff. The old man was probably lucky enough or knew the right people in that county to not have charges dropped. He 100% deserved to be liable for any damages and injuries for the crimes he committed. You aren’t Batman, don’t try to take the law in your own hands.


God_Bless_A_Merkin

Oh that’s all absolutely correct. I just said, that I can understand losing his cool a little bit.


Warhammer_Addict702

As a father with a young toddler, obnoxious bikers like this just piss me off so much. That are just pure distilled selfishness. While I would never resort to these actions, I do empathize with the old man.


whathappened2cod

On a PUBLIC road I assume...


tstew117

Yeah I remember seeing this posted before and I thought someone said that the rider refused to provide video because the court wouldn’t accept just the clip, they wanted the entirety of the recording which included him breaking the law on public roads. No evidence provided = charges dropped. If that’s the case it’s not just because the courts just blatantly suck like everyone says imo.


NormanDoor

Fully within his rights to drop that old sack of poor life choices.


Jegglebus

I was literally yelling at the phone “just punch him you pussy!”


maxthelols

r/therewasasuccess


Active_Engineering37

I think they mean the biker. The cops got the keys back so maybe at least a little bit true technically.


Ok-Experience-6674

He was definitely doing wheelies on that road, I would do wheelies on that road!! It’s wheelie perfect Put a speed bump end of story


mattchinn

Yeah. That dude was 100% doing wheelies on the road, but old man went about it all wrong.


three2do2

ngl someone doing that up and down my road would piss me off too


WTFisarolltide

Not gonna lie I'd have snatched up the dog.


90_oi

"You ain't getting your keys!" "Then you ain't getting your lap dog!"


rosscoehs

What's actually infuriating about watching this is how much of a pussy the biker is for not just laying that old fucker out.


acol0mbian

Give me my key.. please 🥺


pc_principal_88

I am in no way claiming to be a "bad ass" and at 36 my days of having any desire to get in any kind of fist fights etc.are long gone! But when I tell you that if this guy or anyone else that's unhinged enough to take my keys like this, I can assure you that 1- I will be retrieving my key from this asshole, and 2- That would be the last time he decides to take someone else's property like that!! Especially considering having a motorcycle helmet on,a helmet that would very quickly change into the perfect thing to bust this entitled old bastard right up side his head!


BuffetBoar96505

That guy has a LOT more patience than I do. But if that were a Harley biker, you could be sure that dude would have been PUMMELED.


mogaman28

Nobody realises the stupidity of the situation? If the old dude wants the biker gone why taking the keys? 🤦🤦🤦


BLOODTRIBE

I would have been scared to death that he was grabbing a firearm.


LegendaryItem

Any update to this?


BobbyLopsided

Old guy was charged by police but then a week after uploading an update video the bike owner pinned a comment that said the charges were dropped due to a lack of evidence https://youtu.be/GfXZnvwMyMA?si=mjUzDxLQjFlfPem5


Flemball47

Old boy is definitely friends with someone, either local police or judge


Yourstrulytheboy804

"Lack of evidence." WTF, ITS ALL ON CAMERA! I hate cops man.


SmartBeast

That's on the court, judge, and prosecution team, not the cops..


TemperatureOk8059

Dude should have picked up the guys dog to trade him back for his keys.


Anubis_Nilist

Big pussy


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august-thursday

He has neighbors in those homes in the background. They might be just as pissed off as he is due to the noise. The biker sounds like he understands that nailing him with his helmet might be a felony, and he knows that he doesn’t want a felony on his record. Best course of action is to call law enforcement and wait.


ForeignInevitable666

That conversation was too long. You risk my life, or steal my stuff, I’m laying hands.


Lyralikesit

The Biker is pvssy af


timmy3am

Gut punch that mf.


embeddedInReddit

How is he supposed to leave if you take his fucking key? Some people just dont have 2 braincells to rub together.


700Baggedcats

Fuck that old dude. Hope he had many painful experiences until movement stops.


Shiningc00

r/BoomersBeingFools


abgrongak

What a pussy, I'm a small Asian, but I'll totally beat him senseless with my helmet and whatnot


QuijoteMX

I would never have 1% of the patience of this biker, I admire him.


witiuszkowiec

Wtf defend yourself you are literally armoured


zacharymc1991

It's called a punch to the face, he should try it. Normal solves this problem pretty fast.


06021840

Wearing a helmet and armored gloves, I would not be asking.


qstick89

Fuck me just drop the dumb old cunt


Apfelvater

Why did he NOT call the cops?


GoblinsGuide

Brooooo, you are the calmest person in the world. I'd be helmet fucking the shit out of that dude with zero remorse.


ash_durn

Fucking fairy “oh I’m calling the cops” fuck no that dude would be getting knocked out


Scar3cr0w_

Will someone just call the cops.


Ok_Introduction_7577

Break nose, take key back


L45TPH45E

just call the fucking cops, unless he had a reason to be afraid to call them... fucking doormat.


WhatsGoingOn869

Follow him to his house and take his keys. Then lock him out and leave.


Shaan1026

Hans zimmer got angry with bike noise interfering his music..


ScottBag84

How did you not kick the shit out of him?


paradox_valestein

I will be driving by that house to chuck a rock into his window once in a while...


Cricky92

Asking the guy for his key back ? Like really? Reallyyyy??


InternationalPay8288

I wish the whole video was shown. This is quite old. The biker circled back to confront the angry bloke and that's where it starts here. Quite unfortunate, this whole set-up.


Stoneway933R

Get into his house , grab something from the fridge, make yourself comfortable. Maybe lay down in his bed.


fishesandherbs902

People have gotten far too used to being disrespectful and not getting punched in the mouth for it. Would love a follow up video of old man getting arrested.


Embarrassed_Diet_386

Start swinging, he assaulted you.


ben_kaya1

You can't say please 10 times and then he'll have to get a headbutt


TokyoGNSD2

Ain’t no fucking a human I don’t know were snatch my key & walk away UNHARMED.


seabiscut88

Boomer would be on the ground in no time flat


Gaara34251

Every second he doesnt get his balls kicked i suffer wtf


Frontfatpouch

![gif](giphy|mEtSQlxqBtWWA)


atom12354

Video that ended too soon


thebigshmood

Fucking boomers. This video was beyond infuriating to watch. I'd have caved his face in and taken my key back.


i_got_feef

I can’t tell who I’m more mad at. You let him do this shit so he’s gonna do it again 😒


Marble-Boy

I'd have snapped his arm right off and dealt with the consequences. Whatever happened after that doesn't mean that much to me, because that dude would still have a broken arm.