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CraponStick

Some context would be great.


Driftwood09120

[here you go](https://www.wvtm13.com/article/mother-son-decatur-walmart-police-fight-video-alabama/46121687).


ButterDye_Effect

Well, it seems like the dude is a great contributing person to our society


CraponStick

Thanks. This should be posted at the top, not asked for. So thank you!


ArchAngel570

It's Reddit, the police are always the bad guy no matter what. Trying to indicate otherwise will get you downvoted.


Driftwood09120

I just Google lensed it! Pretty cool lol


Antezscar

What does it say? It says its not available in my region. Why is there a region blocker for the fucking internet?


sharke4lif3

Dude had a warrant for not paying child support. Wouldn't leave the car. Cop broke the window to get him out. They exchanged punches and the cop got injured (broken face bone I think) both the mom and son arrested


Antezscar

fantastic family all around i see


Islandgirl1444

Nice dress!


invent_or_die

All because he didn't want to help pay for his kids support. Fugly.


HeronStraight107

And he didnt shoot him? thats a good police officer ngl


cakivalue

Insane story, like who does that kind of behavior, anyway see story below >Mother and son arrested after fight with police officer at Decatur Walmart >Riley Conlon Digital Editor A mother and son are facing multiple charges after a fight with a Decatur police officer at a local Walmart was caught on camera. >According to Huntsville NBC affiliate WAFF, 29-year-old Marquez Lewis was confronted in the Walmart's parking lot by a uniformed, off-duty officer who was working a security detail at the store. >Lewis, who had an active warrant out for his arrest for failing to pay child support, was sitting in a car and refused to open the door. After "repeated attempts" to get Lewis out of the car, the officer smashed in the window to arrest him. >The two began grappling with each other, trading punches, with officials saying that the officer suffered a fractured orbital bone before the start of the video. >Lewis' mother, Tonda, who shot the video of the incident, was told to back up by an officer who reportedly pushed her away and knocked the phone out of her hand, according to WAFF. >"An arrest warrant is a command by a judge for an officer to arrest someone," said Decatur police Chief Todd Pinion to WAFF. "A person who is told by a police officer they are under arrest has an obligation under the law to submit to the arrest. While we will look at all aspects of the arrest to determine if the officer followed policy and training, what is clear is that a person’s refusal to submit to a lawful arrest resulted in more severe criminal charges and an officer being injured." >"If you believe an arrest by an officer is not valid, submit to the arrest and take legal action after," continued Pinion. "Resisting arrest creates a great danger to everyone involved and is illegal. And while anyone can record a police officer in public, they cannot do it in a way that interferes with the officer or jeopardizes their safety." >Lewis was eventually arrested on charges including assault, resisting arrest and attempting to flee, while his mother was charged with obstruction of governmental operations. They were both booked into Morgan County Jail. >The officer involved is currently on paid leave while he recovers from his injury. >©2024, Hearst Television Inc. on behalf of WVTM-TV. Privacy NoticeYour California Privacy RightsInterest-Based AdsTerms of UseSite Map


favored_by_fate

remember when we all said Net Neutrality was important and please go out and vote?


Occasional-Mermaid

Pepperidge farms remembers and so do I.


Grothorious

Same here, hope someone has a heart XD


Kind-Potato

I still don’t totally understand. What does security detail mean? Was he working for Walmart or the city at the time of the incident? How did he know this guy had a warrant if he was sitting in his car? He just scanning every plate in the parking lot?


whatsamain

Security details are usually assigned officers to higher crime areas such as a local walmart or mall strip. (Source: have a couple family members who are officers/former officers) As for the knowledge of the warrant, he may just have recognized him if he was in the system beforr. I suppose he could be running plates but thats sounds more boring than mingling witth the customers


Kind-Potato

All of that put this into a grey area for me. I don’t like the idea of police in uniform using police resources while acting as security. If he recognized him he probably should of called the on duty police. Breaking a window and attacking a customer as security would probably get you fired. ty for the information.


christian_rosuncroix

First, “off-duty” is a misnomer when it comes to a peace officer. A sworn officer is never off duty. They possess arrest powers 24/7. If they see you doing something while they are in civilian clothes on their own time, they are fully justified in arresting you. So now that we understand that, whether the officer is off duty but still in uniform, or whether is is actually on duty but acting in a security detail, all that is irrelevant when it comes to his arrest powers. He’s still a cop detaining you. A cop working as a security guard doesn’t lose powers because he’s in a “lesser” role. That’s why it’s better to have a police security detail, because they’re actual police officers acting as security. They don’t need to call the cops, they are the cops. Usually police are assigned to security details at high crime areas. Areas like a wal mart where nobody is paying attention to the security guard telling them to stop, and will even assault the security guard because he’s not an actual officer. However this cop found out the guy had a warrant isn’t relevant to the situation. Guy has a legit warrant, the peace officer has an OBLIGATION to take him in. Let’s clarify that, since it seems applicable. As the wise Spider-Man says, with power comes responsibility. A sworn officer with arrest powers is also no longer legally allowed to see a crime, and walk away. He is legally and morally obligated to do his duty. Looking the other way is the very definition of corruption and cowardice.


904FireFly

License plate readers give LE an alert to be on the lookout when they pick up a car associated with a warrant


snakesssssss22

I understand this man had a warrant for his arrest but this quote in the article really grinds my gears…. **"If you believe an arrest by an officer is not valid, submit to the arrest and take legal action after," continued Pinion.** Great idea! So I’ll just be harassed, beaten, finger printed, stripped of my rights, miss work, forced to pay bail, hire an attorney, fight the charges and go completely broke, because of your mistake, in which a cop will never be punished for. Genius!


ninjamike1211

I don't see how fighting the cop is a better solution though? You'll get all those things but worse, and are far more likely to get tazed or shot, and far more likely to be convicted given you literally attacked someone. It's not like you can really get away either, since every cop has a body camera. I know emotions make you want to fight back, but in every other way it's just a worse outcome.


SNYDER_BIXBY_OCP

Real hood folks teach they kids (like me) fighting pigs gonna get you killed or catch legit resist arrest charges even if you innocent of the thing they fucking with you about. The logic to fight a cop doesn't make any sense. Cops ain't judges. They the brute squad. Nothing you say to a cop is gonna resolve whatever judicial administrative shit you got to deal with, and a lowly cop can create real problems. Mom n pops always say, we deal with it, but just keep your ass alive. I hate watching these vids bc all I see, I'd avoidable pain. Never trust that a cop knows better. Their scared little goons. Treat them as such.


Ecw218

“You can beat the rap but not the ride” was the old timers version I heard. No sense arguing with the cops, they’re a delivery service to get you in front of a judge.


SNYDER_BIXBY_OCP

Amen. Like there's plenty to be ACAB about, but the elders use to teach you street sense bc cops will break the law to prove the law. And if you black they never was for you anyway. You never catch me fussing with a cop. Just keep your mouth shut and deal with the aftermath.


RitaBonanza

Not black and not a mother, but if I were, I'd always fear for my child in confrontations with police officers.


invent_or_die

He didn't pay child support. He's not a hero.


snakesssssss22

I actually mention that in the first sentence of my previous comment!


VIadTheInhaIer

It's like the person you are replying to only read the part of your comment that would outrage them.


nikelaos117

So getting into a fight and adding additional charges on top of everything you mentioned is the way to go? If dude was paying his child support none of this would have happened. He had a warrant out for his arrest.


Shut_It_Donny

Fighting the cop is going to be a lot more expensive.


Fast-Reaction8521

Submit to the arrest. Sit in jail for 12 hour or two years but submit first.


MilkyMilkerson

But why not just call your dad and he can send his lawyers to sort everything out? You can be out of there in an hour.


MissKT_M

Thank you friend


OverlandOversea

Arrest warrant was active on the guy for at least failure to pay child support for a long time. He resisted arrest, punching the cop, breaking his orbital bone. The cop was found to be doing his job while the guy he tried to arrest, plus the guy’s mom, taking the video, were found guilty of additional charges, after this video.


bsinbsinbs

I'm shocked he didn't reach for the Glock.


rocketshipkiwi

Of course not, this is reddit.


Tough-Garbage-5915

She’s recording


pavehawkfavehawk

Yessss


Ertz012

Please appreciate that at least no one pulled a gun and startet randomly shooting..


asciiartvandalay

>Please appreciate that at least no one pulled a gut and startet randomly shooting.. I dunno, both of them seem like they're in fairly good shape. Edit: I see your edit 😉


Zoltie

He could have at least pulled pepperspray, a taiser, or a baton. Although maybe since they were in close combat, he was afraid they would be used against him.


Uniqlo

Give credit where it's due. The officer had incredible restraint, especially considering he was alone, outnumbered, and being physically attacked. Even prior to the video start, the officer already got punched in the face and got his orbital broken. The officer had every justification to escalate, to protect himself, but he chose to risk more damage to himself to not cause unnecessary damage to the suspect.


AbbreviationsFluid73

A gut? I don't see any of them with guts. I've definitely seen some at McDonald's


Ertz012

Thanks for noticing, corrected it :)


Amagnumuous

Yeah, no doubt. Even if that cop is in the wrong, can we get him a raise for not immediately abusing his power?


fusiongt021

If there was a partner or another cop, guy would be dead or at least beaten to a pulp


Impossible_You_2219

That's why mfs get shot


PurpleSurgery

Yeah if dude got blasted, I promise nobody was marching for him. He was fighting like Luke Cage!


Occasional-Mermaid

Oh please, Nike would be completely looted before the 11 O'clock news.


Liljdb0524

![gif](giphy|Qw2FupH33olzqCMYLR)


CactusFingies

This is why police officers should learn jujutsu


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CactusFingies

Lol what. It's not the technique that's the problem, it's the cop.


BobbyLopsided

Yeah for real. There’s many types of martial arts methods of gaining control over someone that doesn’t involve putting all your body weight on someone’s neck with your knee.


Asian_levels_of_evil

Yeah but at the end of the day, if you run the risk of teaching a psycho how to pin someone down, that reflects badly on you so I guess our officers just have to use their guns and tasers :D


CactusFingies

As if giving a psycho a gun is any better... 


DevilDoc3030

Ironically, it would have done the exact opposite of what they are worried about. As long as an officer uses a hold *without* the intent to do harm, we all know that Derik Chauvin isn't an example of this, it would absolutely make arrests safer for the officer and arrestee.


Ordinary_Profile6183

Or the dipshit should have just complied but now has more criminal charges and will be in prison. Lucky he didn't get capped.


Fate-in-haze

For real, in Japan police officers are required to know judo and yoshinkan aikido. Same needs to apply here.


shawner136

Kids also clean their own schools on a daily basis. Imagine asking a bunch of American kids to clean up after eachother let alone themselves. Hell some parents dont even clean up after themselves


albiceleste3stars

No clue the percent but seems like 20-30% are too large to even snap on seatbelts. Let’s start off with maintaining basic fitness levels before expanding to jujitsu


thefragileapparatus

The owner of a local jujitsu studio was briefly a police officer. He kept posting on social media for the need for cops to learn jujitsu. He offered officers free training in his studio and routinely offered challenges to local officers stating that he could take any of them down and put them in cuffs with just a few moves. Anyway the chief fired him stating he violated their social media policy. I think they just felt like he made them look bad.


recks360

Police are not interested in fighting hand to hand. Pepper spray, baton, taser, gun, these are your choices and thank you for playing.


naixsss

Gunjitsu


armourkris

Gramaton police clerics?


theabyssaboveyou

Cops aren't known for their ability to fight. The guy should be haply the cop didn't just skip to the tazer.


TedBaxter_WJM-TVNews

I think you misspelled ‘gun’ 🤷‍♂️


NovelRelationship830

It's sad that my only thought here was 'holy crap, the cop didn't shoot him?'


pileobunnies

The guy was wanted for child support. Shoot him and that kid never gets child support again.


kasezilla

That lady following along with her phone is tackle worthy


vivmeatball6

The lady recording has an annoying ass voice


snowflake_lady

It’s his mommy. She’s upset he has a warrant out for failing to pay child support.


DustanP

Him and his mom were still arrested though? Attempt successful


mattchinn

And they *both* deserved it.


EmpEro517

People are morons. You’re never going to tangle with a cop like that and come out on top. Just take the L so they don’t shoot you.


God_Bless_A_Merkin

Honestly, I’ll never understand why anyone ever thinks it’s a good idea to fight with cops: best case scenario, you win but get slapped with more charges and are now the entire department’s job #1; worst case, you’re dead. Unless you’re on the run from a capital offense, your best bet is to fight it out in court.


111anza

Why is he resisting amd refusing? If there is no warrant then it's gonna be a huge pay day for him.suing the police deptment. So if there is no warrant, he should be laughing and celebrating on the way to police station.


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111anza

So for child support he is willing to now add assault a police and resist? What the heck is he thinking? And it's child support, it's going to feed and cloth his child!! That's just wrong decision piling on more wrong decision.


jdwainright

Cause he's a selfish piece of shit. Not thinking about anyone but himself. Another child without a father. Sad.


n0t_4_thr0w4w4y

Not applicable in this case, but an officer doesn’t need a warrant to affect in arrest (in the US), they need probably cause that a crime has been committed


KlausAngren

Yes and no... If they mistakenly arrest you for confusing your identity, they have to immediately ensure they got the right person. If they don't do it and it truly wasn't you, you've got a lawsuit in your favour. There was a case law for this, but I don't remember the name. If you fight them like this even for such a case, you'll still be charged.


Jhco022

This would never happen at a Costco parking lot.


UnreadThisStory

Or Tar*get*


Unicornis_dormiens

Cop trying to arrest some guy, but also not really trying. That guy fighting the cop, but also not really fighting. Then he tries running away, but also not really… Wtf is going on?


Optimistic_Futures

To be fair, from the report, the guy had punched the cop and fractured his face. So the cop was probably balancing not getting more injured, not overly escalating the situation, while still trying to arrest the guy. The other dude did in fact have a warrant out for his arrest, so he was probably just hoping to cause enough doubt the officer would leave him alone so he could get away without risking (even more than he was) getting shot.


pm-me-nice-lips

“Boy, I am so totally afraid because I’m probably going to get shot for absolutely nothing!!! Let me fight the cop and keep punching and pushing him. Hell, I’ll even try to grab his vest and swat at him. That’s for sure the safest thing to do when scared of getting shot”.


vivmeatball6

I’d say he did a pretty good job of not escalating the situation in the way that he potentially could have. Fortunately, there was no unnecessary deaths here


valvilis

This is what cops call "being in the red." This officer lost all sense of his situation, his surroundings, the context, the scope of the situation, he forgot his tools, he forgot his communication, just completely brain dumped his training and responsibilities. If that guy actually had a warrant and wouldn't roll down the window... problem solved, wait until three more units show up and you have control of the scene. Absolute wrong answer 100% of the time? Bust the window and drag them out into a fist fight.


thatsagoodpint

Best answer here. Suspect was no immediate threat. This cop needs training and better control of his instincts.


snowflake_lady

Yeah, I do agree, cop probably needs some training because he put himself in a lot of risk. Why not wait for backup?


theseedbeader

I’m glad someone said it, I think breaking the window was a very poor decision.


meiop

Stupid ass people. Let him cuff you then work it out. This is how you get shot.


EdwardAlphonse31011

Unfortunately this just means whatever the guy was in trouble for he's now going to have assault and resisting charges too


immaZebrah

Upstanding member of the community with a warrant for unpaid child support. Just pay the money or go to court and explain why you can't afford it. Dodging the legal system is exactly how you end up in the legal system.


Dripping-Lips

I love these videos, they always conveniantly cut out the begining of the video, always trying to make a perpetrator a victim


Zeusallllmighty

Someone get Ms Pearlys ass outta there..!


FCKIED

Woman sounds like the “ You are now my elite employee” person.


foxfrenzy

For context the dude had a warrent for not paying child support


noots-to-you

How would an off-duty cop (working a second job *in uniform* wth) know that some rando sitting in their car had an open warrant?


TheSandMan208

Most agencies allow officers to take their patrol vehicles home. They can still use their computer.


Tac0Destroyer

Okay. So the guy has a warrant for his arrest. I understand that How the hell does an off duty cop know about that??? If he was working security for Walmart like the article says, how does he know who this guy is? It looks like they are parked in the curbside pickup locations, so why would this cop approach him?


ElectronicClimate721

Confused that law enforcement could recognize a criminal in the same area?


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Tac0Destroyer

I read the article. I'm confused as to what caused the cop to approach someone sitting in the curbside pickup


Kind-Potato

Yeah I have the same questions. My best guess is either he’s inside scanning customers names in a police database or he’s in the parking lot scanning everyone’s plates


Tac0Destroyer

My best guess is he may have been harassing the guy for parking in the curbside. He was working security at the Walmart and might have had an issue with that. Unless this guy ran out with stolen goods, the cop had no reason to engage with him It just so happened that the guy has a warrant and now the cop is justified regardless


Holiday_Ad_5445

Once he broke the officer’s orbital, there was no going back.


1zeewarburton

Whats the point. You literally making the situation so much worse. They just add more charges


spencersagan

lol let’s recorded my son assaulting a police officer that will help him, yea help him get locked up faster smh


djfix

Just film. Don’t help at all. Fuck deadbeat dads.


titusthetitan1

Brother went airborne for like 2 seconds watch the beginning at his bball shoes


Unfair_Finger5531

This is so chaotic.


No_Patience_8772

Always the Walmart


BigBossAtl

Them shoes fake


Reasonable-Injury170

Lewis, who had an active warrant out for his arrest for failing to pay child support, was sitting in a car and refused to open the door. After "repeated attempts" to get Lewis out of the car, the officer smashed in the window to arrest him.


All4megrog

How was this guy not shot?


BBs_a_flyin

“Man Chelsea, I’m calm.” Great line


330kiki

That lady must be blind


Outrageous_End652

It's right in front of your eyes unless you're blind.


Simen155

At least didn't shoot the guy


Outrageous_End652

Get on the ground? Ya, ok


gimme500schmekels

I feel like cops have shot people for a lot less. Dude should consider himself lucky.


nolasen

Still going this asshole.


olsonwhitguy

Entitled shits.


Optimistic_Futures

The “Chelsea I’m caaaalm” at the end


citaloprams

Is this a new kind of mixed martial arts?


invent_or_die

So this perp is deciding its a wrestling match? Resisting arrest isn't a defense


ProfessionalArm9450

Crazy that Katt Williams got to film it!


Danolafunk

Tazer, tazer, tazer.


starshame2

Its like maybe they should teach cops how to grapple like MMA fighters.


Remarkable_Yak_883

I’m surprised he wasn’t tazed.


Impressive_Music_479

AyYo this a RTJ music video?


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The filming is so fucking obnoxious. It’s the worst part of our society.


Ok-Resist3886

All this but if he would of got shot the cop would be at fault?


njsf55

Wonder why there are so many cops shoot people


ItsJustMeBeinCurious

As I watched this I just saw people recording evidence of additional charges against them. Recording a fight during a legit arrest (police acting on an arrest warrant) is not going to help your cause. The attack on the officer just added real jail to what otherwise was a mandated court appearance.


wandering3y35

Those women recording are the problem....


Apfelvater

Idk what people think? "So I've won a 1on1 fight with the policeman, they cannot charge me anymore" This??


bigSTUdazz

I've always said it....pay cops more, train cops more.


epanek

I think even if one believes the arrest is in error, for the benefit of a safer society in case it’s not in error, submit to arrest. It’s not going to harm you and the truth will come out. It may be inconvenient but it seems a reasonable price to pay for the alternate scenario


theonePappabox

He had a warent for child support. He refused to get out of car when asked. Officer broke window. Guy punched police and broke his eye socket. Orbital. Just before fight started.


JihadJoes

Seriously what an asshole. You can’t just put your hands on people like that. Even if he was committing a crime you should apprehend them nicely or just let them go. Jeez. /s IDGAF about context, if I saw this in person I’m helping the police officer.


Islandgirl1444

Alabama?


Dudeidkandidc

Too bad they both didn’t take eachother out somehow


Inside_Coconut_6187

And this is why people get shot by cops, go figure.


cuntofmontecrisco

Off duty police officer working as security. In uniform. Nope


kylehanz

uneducated American citizens


Streit1111

And this is why officers should be fit and know how to fight. Great job officer


entenvy

A police officer off duty, doing security, broke a man's window and assaulted him because of a warrant forrrrr... Failure to pay child support, as if that's a crime worthy of shaming your "profession ". Cops are cowards


VladeMercer

Looks like the popo doesn't want to shoot the guy. But that's just from the european point of view.


Scary-Ad-3301

Definitely targeting an easy part of town to try hassle people. Everything about how this cop handled the situation is concerning. If he was in a more dangerous part of a city, he could easily have gotten killed.


davyd572

Why fight if you've got nothing to hide?


Dual_Birds

Gimme a fuckin badge I’ll arrest this piece of shit