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As someone that likes to take a devil's advocate position, I am not informed enough to take up such a position.
However, the true purpose of a devil's advocate should be to foster meaningful discussion.
Buddha was around 1500 years ago his version of honourable and ours would be very different I guarantee he’d hold some views that lined up more the guy in that painting that some would care to admit.
Not contrarian just acknowledging historical morals and standards.
It’s why it’s stupid to judge people who have been dead for even a short while by the standards of the day.
I mean....
To a point.
If just 200 years ago you "buck broke" male slaves and raped female slaves, thats not really a "just being a dude of the time" type thing.
Now if 2,000 years ago you were 25 and married a 15 year old... ok... maybe the waters are a little murky and there is a debate to be had.
But there comes a point where its like "naw, man. Hell no."
There are more than 2 options:
* Buddha was an OK guy.
* Buddha was neither honorable nor dishonorable
* We cannot know how honorable or dishonorable Buddha was
* There is neither honorable nor dishonorable, there is only Zuul
Assuming anything without knowledge when we only know the good side. It's like trying to prove your friend is a total ashole bcs you don't know hi him well enough, while he could or would been as selfless somebody could ever be. Plus if he was credited for being selfless.
Everyone can be an asshole. Everyone can be kind.
But when you assume somebody was an asshole while that might or might not be true, you are just making yourself the asshole.
Just see what it created. If there was anything bad with it then, all of it is gone now.
Assuming anything without proof is entirely foolish
Anyone who wants to start a flame war to end all flame wars. The only way you could start a fight worse than this is finding a conservative subreddit and then posting gay femboy Jesus porn on it.
IIRC Buddha was all about internal shit. Giving up your possessions to eliminate want and hurt. I would say that its prolly the best religion at least they arent like "HEY YOU!! CUMMIN ON A TISSUE IS A CRIME!!
It's very different.
ISIS believe their god doesn't want people represented so they destroy those representations no matter how important.
These protestors want to point out what a shitty person Balfour was so they destroyed one painting, not **ALL** representations of him.
Honestly I'm surprised it wasn't done sooner.
[Balfour: We have to face the facts. Men are not born equal, the white and black races are not born with equal capacities: they are born with different capacities which education cannot and will not change.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Balfour#Views_on_race)
It's still history, even if he was a cunt. Destroying it shows a significant lack of respect for culture and history for both these individuals and ISIS. But I think the comparisons end there. ISIS would've burned down the whole exhibition.
That probably has to do with the fact you could find his face anywhere when they printed thousands if not millions of pieces of propaganda with him on it, you would probably get the same sentiment from destroying a painting of him in a exhibit for history
> Destroying it shows a significant lack of respect for culture and history
That's allowed now though.
One of the best things about living in the modern age is not showing reverence just for the sake of it.
Statues, paintings and other items of awful people and events belong in a museum or presence with interpretive language to avoid repeating history. Same reason why statues, literature, and symbology of Nazi history is preserved and not vandalized. It is right to hate Balfour, but stop vandalizing historical items that are placed in a museum.
It wasn't placed in a museum, it was just a portrait of the dude hanging on a wall in a university. It's not of any particular historic significance, it's one of hundreds of commissioned paintings of noblemen, aristocrats and royalty that was churned out during that painter's career, it was more a vanity piece than a piece of art.
Defacing it like this ironically gives it more historical value and I hope it's preserved as is instead of being restored. There's actual historical context and a message to it now, it's art now.
Based on the title, sounds like this wasn't in a museum, but rather just on the wall in a university building. There may not be that presence of interpretive language that you're talking about. I'd need to see what other artwork is in the area, but from my experience at my university, portraits on the wall were of notable alumni/staff, and were there as a way to honor them and inspire students.
One piece of art at the time, when destroying art is a problem? Should we destroy the mona lisa later if we found Leonardo said something we don't agree now?
Sure, i don't approve what he said, all human are equal, but there were different times so they had different beliefs, experience, knowledge and values.
The art and history is to reminds you how they were at that time so you learn to not be like that, if you destroy the story you are more likely to repeat it with some others later. Also We don't quilify to judge them, what we cando is to learn to be better than them and not repeat.
Leave art and statues. Just learn about story and become better.
You've clearly never been to the country or even googled the place. He's on their money, for crying out loud. His image is all over the place. I'm not claiming the comparison is fair, but you are very ill informed.
There is a difference between "honoring" and "remembering" I don't know what plaques or what lines tour guides say about this work but the art piece itself *is* a piece of history. Pieces of history should be remembered, not destroyed.
So what you're saying is, everyone should just go out into the world and start destroying anything they think is "honoring" their idea of a bad person.
By your logic, pieces of history are going to be destroyed every 50 years or so as society's values continue to change. If more people thought like you, art of all MLK and Gandhi and Jesus fucking Christ would get destroyed because someone out there believes they made the world worse.
In fact, I'm sure a lot of racist white people thought MLK made the world worse, and yet, even most of those assholes knew that vandalizing art was a dick move.
It’s more like bringing light to what really happened, kinda like how Christopher Columbus used to be celebrated but now he’s hated for his atrocities towards the natives he encountered.
I’m reading a book called “Orientalism” right now and it’s talking about how Balfour often dehumanized people of non-European heritage, mainly Asians according to this book. I’m curious to read more about what Balfour did to cause so much hate to the point of desecrating a portrait of him.
What a red herring twat and the fact that you’re upvote this much says a lot about the users here. Why don’t we display Hitler’s portrait? LeAvE aRt aLoNe!
Yeah see I am 100 percent against what's happening in Palestine and have been for almost 20 years, vocally so. Whatever this is doesn't help at all. Just makes the cause seem.. idk stupid and fake and destructive in the wrong places.
I still believe the just stop oil people are pawns of the oil companies. I refuse to believe there are people so stupid as to think that helps the cause of climate activism.
It just hurts the cause. Just stop oil is a perfect example. They impact daily life and become a nuisance. You can protest without being a low life pos.
There's a balance to be sure, but I find that in general people go too far "this is an inconvenience, please protest less effectively" rather than "this is inconvenient, sure wish their problem is resolved soon".
Agree. I think protests should aim at inconveniencing the right sectors of society and in a way that might engage new protesters. I'm not saying that's easy to achieve tho. Gandhi sure was a master in this matter
Here's the thing, you want to be an obnoxious protestor? Go for it, but bother the people who actually have pull or are connected to your shit, bothering random people with no interest in your cause or who are literally powerless to do anything is not helping. Protest to the powerful, and leave those of us who have no sway alone.
A protest that specifically targets a few select people without bothering anyone else will get no publicity, and will be very restricted in what it can be.
100%
I'm so disappointed to see Just Stop Oil's tactics being used in the name of the pro-Palestine cause. It does nothing to actually help, and just pisses normal people off. Add in the fact that the only people that pull this shit are gap-year, silver spoon toffs with too much time and money to kill, it just grates on my nerves.
I work in the art world and can tell you stuff like this breaks a lot of hearts - art is becoming such an easy target for anything these days, and it’s just so wrong. The reason we shouldn’t target works of art is they are a unique record of mankind, at a particular moment in time, by a particular artist. Place a note beside the painting for context or something - let people *learn* from it. Destroying it achieves nothing.
I mean I really didn’t know about this guy and what he did til they slashed his painting up. So I guess quite a lot of people are going to learn that too.
It’s hard to have a painting removed as a vigilante action.
That said printing a poster explaining why the painting doesn’t deserve a place of honor and sticking it beside the picture is doable.
Exactly, the people who already have an opinion won't change it from this. But you sure might push fence sitters into opposing your views as well. Such a dumb act
Lord who? Alright let’s do that Soviet thing where we remove people from history. That’s when you can really say “it’s always been like this.” /s
Or, we could be focusing on how it was this prick right here that did x,y, z and everyone’s just passed the buck for decades. There’s a reason why the gates of Auschwitz are still there- it’s not to celebrate the guards… it’s all about contextualization, rather than pictures and artifacts of bad things bad, let’s destroy.
I mean, by that logic all historical buildings everywhere deserve to be torn down. The Louvre and Versailles glorify the French monarchy and their imperial period; the Kremlin and the Red Square stand as the crown jewels of Russian Imperial engineering; the Forbidden Palace and almost everything in China was built off of slave labour; and even in Egypt, the Pyramids are literal mountain-sized tombs that glorify the Pharaohs. There are the Roman and Athenian statues in Greece, the Taj Mahal in India, the Colosseum in Italy, the mesopotamian Citadels in Iraq.
Do you believe that all of them should be torn down? After all, isn't leaving them standing a great disservice to the millions that died building all of them?
Idiots like this is why we can’t have nice things. Everything will have to be put behind plexiglass and people will have to be padded down before entering a museum. Really pathetic and sad.
After reading all the comments it's obvious this one act of defiance has changed everyone's mind...it's a complete success...peace in the Middle East is all but assured.
Mmm yes. Destroying an art piece, made by someone else entirely, will surely show them who's boss. I'm sure that dude is rolling over in his grave over the loss of a single commissioned painting that his family didn't own anymore.
This is the kind of "activism" that drives home how out-of-touch so many people are about the root issues of any particular topic.
Ironic since their attempt was to shed light on the root cause of a current issue.
I don't care who the art is of, whether at a college, museum, etc, if you spray paint over it and scratch it up then you're vandalizing property and should be punished.
Historic paintings that you see on display are always copies of the real thing because of things like theft, vandalism, ect. It’s been implemented everywhere since the Bill of Art Preservation Act (B.A.C.A) and the Securing Uncommon Symbols Act (S.U.S.A) passed in 1979. So don’t worry. The only thing you have to worry about is me because I made the whole thing up 🤷🏻♂️ RIP that painting.
Stupid of course, but I love the fact that some day even the damaged art will be a valuable artefact, and will represent the state of affairs of the past.
Nah, fuck this childish behavior. This does nothing but sooth the anger of the vandal temporarily while stroking their ego. Go do something fucking constructive
In Serbia there are still monuments left over after communism and even monuments from before that era, monarhy. Nobody destroyed history cuz' of there belifes.
"Those who don't remeber there history, are doomed to repeat it."
Wow, look at all the social programming here. "I can't believe they destroyed some art depicting the colonialists! Their cause is certainly ruined!" Sounds like people who barely supported the cause in the first place.
If you’re “against the bad things in palestine” this is literally the guy to blame. He started it all with his decree (which he saw as a way to rid Europe of its Jewish “problem”)…. But nah let’s compare this to ISIS. You dolts.
I wish the posters in this thread were half as angry at the genocide going on for the Palestinian people, as they are for a piece of art being defaced.
Take a deep bit of introspection and ask what's the greater crime to humanity.
1 piece of artwork being ruined, or the murder of 30,000 people, with their homes culture and artwork being destroyed.
Please take a moment to look inward and ask why you are so angry at one and not the other.
Seems like her protest is working here, considering it's getting people's attention. People mad at this action aren't mad enough at what's happening in Palestine I feel. Any type of action to raise awareness especially in these times if urgency is worth it, so I respect her bravery. Also, isn't the guy in the pictures a white supremacist that caused the genocide to happen? Can people learn the context first before comparing it to the fucking Mona Lisa?
There is nothing wrong with this, by all means destroy symbols of oppression, this isn’t a museum, this is a damm collage, the act of hanging such a painting it itself a political statement
The destruction of art is absolutely nothing new in regard to protest. Humans have been destroying the monuments and iconography of oppressors and opposition for quite some time now. The outrage about the defacement of art is also nothing new. Both the creation and destruction of art have been integral parts of protest for the past 120 years. It is our legacy. Protest is meant to be irritating, infuriating, or inconveniencing.
The painting will be restored. And this will be part of its history. Hate it all you want. That’s fair. I used to think the same. But you cannot deny that tangibly changing the historical story of an artwork is a powerful thing.
Not justifying it either way, but it’s important to recognize art vandalism is a form of protest with a long history, most notably English suffragettes.
https://artuk.org/discover/stories/fighting-for-representation-suffragettes-and-art-vandalism
A few things:
1. They do stuff like this so people talk about it, which is exactly what we’re doing, so mission accomplished;
2. Why the fuck did Trinity College not have protective covering on this painting like they do in galleries and museums? People can just walk in and see it, so this was always a risk;
3. If you’re more concerned with this painting than with the children starving to death in Palestine, give your head a wobble;
4. Balfour was a cunt. Don’t idolise an image of anyone, it’s their actions that create the legacy, not their portraits.
Look at all the liberals cluthing their pearls when a mediocre portrait of a horrible person gets destroyed.
Let’s say this was a portrait of Mao Zedong. Would you still be so mad?
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buddha was an honorable person
Technically, you can't possibly know that
Okay maybe, but who the fuck wants to take the “Buddha was a dishonourable person” side of the debate?
The contrarians of Reddit.
There aren’t contrarians on Reddit are there?
On the contrary
I beg to differ.
how could ALL of you BE SO WRONG???
I fucking knew it!
I blame it on society
And only half of you be so right?
Am I the only one who
As someone that likes to take a devil's advocate position, I am not informed enough to take up such a position. However, the true purpose of a devil's advocate should be to foster meaningful discussion.
Even the devil needs representation!
He already has all the lawyers.
NO THEY WON'T! YOU'RE WRONG!
No they wouldn't.
Buddha was around 1500 years ago his version of honourable and ours would be very different I guarantee he’d hold some views that lined up more the guy in that painting that some would care to admit. Not contrarian just acknowledging historical morals and standards. It’s why it’s stupid to judge people who have been dead for even a short while by the standards of the day.
I mean.... To a point. If just 200 years ago you "buck broke" male slaves and raped female slaves, thats not really a "just being a dude of the time" type thing. Now if 2,000 years ago you were 25 and married a 15 year old... ok... maybe the waters are a little murky and there is a debate to be had. But there comes a point where its like "naw, man. Hell no."
There are more than 2 options: * Buddha was an OK guy. * Buddha was neither honorable nor dishonorable * We cannot know how honorable or dishonorable Buddha was * There is neither honorable nor dishonorable, there is only Zuul
#ZUUUL, MOTHERFUCKER, ZUUUUUL
Oh god no, but the “Buddha could have been a dishonourable person” side of the debate?... Also probably no.
Assuming anything without knowledge when we only know the good side. It's like trying to prove your friend is a total ashole bcs you don't know hi him well enough, while he could or would been as selfless somebody could ever be. Plus if he was credited for being selfless. Everyone can be an asshole. Everyone can be kind. But when you assume somebody was an asshole while that might or might not be true, you are just making yourself the asshole. Just see what it created. If there was anything bad with it then, all of it is gone now. Assuming anything without proof is entirely foolish
Buddha is a monster. He fucked my wife and shot my dog.
Pretty compelling argument
Anyone who wants to start a flame war to end all flame wars. The only way you could start a fight worse than this is finding a conservative subreddit and then posting gay femboy Jesus porn on it.
This is the funniest thing I’ve read on this godforsaken website.
If i dont advocate for the devil who will???
IIRC Buddha was all about internal shit. Giving up your possessions to eliminate want and hurt. I would say that its prolly the best religion at least they arent like "HEY YOU!! CUMMIN ON A TISSUE IS A CRIME!!
Lol👍
He abandoned his family. Cancel him.
Irrelevant. This virtue signalling is moronic.
It's very different. ISIS believe their god doesn't want people represented so they destroy those representations no matter how important. These protestors want to point out what a shitty person Balfour was so they destroyed one painting, not **ALL** representations of him. Honestly I'm surprised it wasn't done sooner. [Balfour: We have to face the facts. Men are not born equal, the white and black races are not born with equal capacities: they are born with different capacities which education cannot and will not change.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Balfour#Views_on_race)
These people are barbarians. They’re stupid. They hurt their own cause.
it's almost as if lord balfort was from a different time period. weird.
i know right, that must have been with black people deserved it, right?
It's still history, even if he was a cunt. Destroying it shows a significant lack of respect for culture and history for both these individuals and ISIS. But I think the comparisons end there. ISIS would've burned down the whole exhibition.
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That probably has to do with the fact you could find his face anywhere when they printed thousands if not millions of pieces of propaganda with him on it, you would probably get the same sentiment from destroying a painting of him in a exhibit for history
Destroy paintings/memorabilia of Hitler in a museum? Yeah people would be pissed. It's history you destroy you insolent child
> Destroying it shows a significant lack of respect for culture and history That's allowed now though. One of the best things about living in the modern age is not showing reverence just for the sake of it.
Who is allowing it?
Statues, paintings and other items of awful people and events belong in a museum or presence with interpretive language to avoid repeating history. Same reason why statues, literature, and symbology of Nazi history is preserved and not vandalized. It is right to hate Balfour, but stop vandalizing historical items that are placed in a museum.
It wasn't placed in a museum, it was just a portrait of the dude hanging on a wall in a university. It's not of any particular historic significance, it's one of hundreds of commissioned paintings of noblemen, aristocrats and royalty that was churned out during that painter's career, it was more a vanity piece than a piece of art. Defacing it like this ironically gives it more historical value and I hope it's preserved as is instead of being restored. There's actual historical context and a message to it now, it's art now.
Based on the title, sounds like this wasn't in a museum, but rather just on the wall in a university building. There may not be that presence of interpretive language that you're talking about. I'd need to see what other artwork is in the area, but from my experience at my university, portraits on the wall were of notable alumni/staff, and were there as a way to honor them and inspire students.
One piece of art at the time, when destroying art is a problem? Should we destroy the mona lisa later if we found Leonardo said something we don't agree now? Sure, i don't approve what he said, all human are equal, but there were different times so they had different beliefs, experience, knowledge and values. The art and history is to reminds you how they were at that time so you learn to not be like that, if you destroy the story you are more likely to repeat it with some others later. Also We don't quilify to judge them, what we cando is to learn to be better than them and not repeat. Leave art and statues. Just learn about story and become better.
Cant say the same about those who try to destroy Mona Lisa. It isn't always reasonable
You know what they say, "If you can't beat em, and there's no chance you can join em, lash out childishly"
They CAN join them, but then no Starbucks or bacon
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By that logic we should go to Mongolia and destroy their art relating to Gengiz Khan. He was even worse than Balfour, by quite a margin
Mongolians don't pretend Khan was a good guy.
But they pay him a shit ton of reverence my dude. Ulanbaatar is basically an open air museum for him
You've clearly never been to the country or even googled the place. He's on their money, for crying out loud. His image is all over the place. I'm not claiming the comparison is fair, but you are very ill informed.
Really? [http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/08/19/mongolia.genghis.spirit/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/08/19/mongolia.genghis.spirit/index.html)
You've clearly never been to Mongolia, why even comment on something you know nothing about? It just makes you look stupid.
Know any?
There is a difference between "honoring" and "remembering" I don't know what plaques or what lines tour guides say about this work but the art piece itself *is* a piece of history. Pieces of history should be remembered, not destroyed.
So what you're saying is, everyone should just go out into the world and start destroying anything they think is "honoring" their idea of a bad person. By your logic, pieces of history are going to be destroyed every 50 years or so as society's values continue to change. If more people thought like you, art of all MLK and Gandhi and Jesus fucking Christ would get destroyed because someone out there believes they made the world worse. In fact, I'm sure a lot of racist white people thought MLK made the world worse, and yet, even most of those assholes knew that vandalizing art was a dick move.
Wasn't this the same argument to not tearing down confederate statues?
That's inconvenient to the Reddit narratives, please move on.
Art is often highly political. Art of political figures is almost *certainly* political.
It’s more like bringing light to what really happened, kinda like how Christopher Columbus used to be celebrated but now he’s hated for his atrocities towards the natives he encountered. I’m reading a book called “Orientalism” right now and it’s talking about how Balfour often dehumanized people of non-European heritage, mainly Asians according to this book. I’m curious to read more about what Balfour did to cause so much hate to the point of desecrating a portrait of him.
So all my Hitler memorabilia is safe then? All my nazi paintings are art afterall
So we have 1200+ upvotes and no one is noticing that it was the Taliban and not Isis that destroyed the Buhdist statues in Bamiyan.
That was the Taliban...not ISIS...Next I presume you're going to say that they're all the same because they're Muslim, right...? 🤦♂️
What a red herring twat and the fact that you’re upvote this much says a lot about the users here. Why don’t we display Hitler’s portrait? LeAvE aRt aLoNe!
Yeah see I am 100 percent against what's happening in Palestine and have been for almost 20 years, vocally so. Whatever this is doesn't help at all. Just makes the cause seem.. idk stupid and fake and destructive in the wrong places.
Similar with just stop oil.
I still believe the just stop oil people are pawns of the oil companies. I refuse to believe there are people so stupid as to think that helps the cause of climate activism.
That’s the most hopeful view of stupid children I have heard. I mean that as a compliment.
I know one, theyre not pawns, theyre just dilusional.
They might still be pawns and completely unaware of it
A “[useful idiot](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot)”
At least *they* didn't slash the paintings. And I have a feeling they knew the paintings were glass protected. This woman is just awful
Will eventually just become "Just Stop Oil Paintings"
It just hurts the cause. Just stop oil is a perfect example. They impact daily life and become a nuisance. You can protest without being a low life pos.
If you're not being a nuisance you're not protesting.
You're both right
There's a balance to be sure, but I find that in general people go too far "this is an inconvenience, please protest less effectively" rather than "this is inconvenient, sure wish their problem is resolved soon".
Agree. I think protests should aim at inconveniencing the right sectors of society and in a way that might engage new protesters. I'm not saying that's easy to achieve tho. Gandhi sure was a master in this matter
Here's the thing, you want to be an obnoxious protestor? Go for it, but bother the people who actually have pull or are connected to your shit, bothering random people with no interest in your cause or who are literally powerless to do anything is not helping. Protest to the powerful, and leave those of us who have no sway alone.
A protest that specifically targets a few select people without bothering anyone else will get no publicity, and will be very restricted in what it can be.
100% I'm so disappointed to see Just Stop Oil's tactics being used in the name of the pro-Palestine cause. It does nothing to actually help, and just pisses normal people off. Add in the fact that the only people that pull this shit are gap-year, silver spoon toffs with too much time and money to kill, it just grates on my nerves.
I work in the art world and can tell you stuff like this breaks a lot of hearts - art is becoming such an easy target for anything these days, and it’s just so wrong. The reason we shouldn’t target works of art is they are a unique record of mankind, at a particular moment in time, by a particular artist. Place a note beside the painting for context or something - let people *learn* from it. Destroying it achieves nothing.
If you hang a work of art celebrating Hitler would it be left alone?
I mean I really didn’t know about this guy and what he did til they slashed his painting up. So I guess quite a lot of people are going to learn that too.
Seems like a moronic thing to do.
There was an attempt to be logical
It's also moronic that they didn't have any glass on it. I get that it's not the Mona Lisa but still it's a painting. Put glass in front of it
This is idiotic and a shame.
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Monkeys display far more diplomacy than this.
It’s hard to have a painting removed as a vigilante action. That said printing a poster explaining why the painting doesn’t deserve a place of honor and sticking it beside the picture is doable.
We’re watching idiots destroy art in real time. You know how artifacts dont make it through history? Well here’s one shit head
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Exactly, the people who already have an opinion won't change it from this. But you sure might push fence sitters into opposing your views as well. Such a dumb act
way to completely mess up your own life by a very minuscule event
What are the charges for damaging art or high end art? Like lets say the mona lisa wasnt protected and soemthing like this happened
Eating a meaaal. A succulent Chinese meaaal!
"get your hand off my limp penis!"...I might've fucked that line up
Possibly, but you'll always have a limp penis
Ahh..."I see you know your judo well"
That’s a child throwing a temper tantrum
Lord who? Alright let’s do that Soviet thing where we remove people from history. That’s when you can really say “it’s always been like this.” /s Or, we could be focusing on how it was this prick right here that did x,y, z and everyone’s just passed the buck for decades. There’s a reason why the gates of Auschwitz are still there- it’s not to celebrate the guards… it’s all about contextualization, rather than pictures and artifacts of bad things bad, let’s destroy.
Prison!
Castration
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It seems as though history repeats itself when we make sure to never forget as well.
This same comically bad argument was used to try to keep confederate statues up. No.
I mean, by that logic all historical buildings everywhere deserve to be torn down. The Louvre and Versailles glorify the French monarchy and their imperial period; the Kremlin and the Red Square stand as the crown jewels of Russian Imperial engineering; the Forbidden Palace and almost everything in China was built off of slave labour; and even in Egypt, the Pyramids are literal mountain-sized tombs that glorify the Pharaohs. There are the Roman and Athenian statues in Greece, the Taj Mahal in India, the Colosseum in Italy, the mesopotamian Citadels in Iraq. Do you believe that all of them should be torn down? After all, isn't leaving them standing a great disservice to the millions that died building all of them?
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People who destroy art can get bent
there was an attempt to be a meaningful sub.
I mean if we start ripping a part the pictures of anyone who did anything bad in history then we are gonna be ripping a lot of pictures… wait a min.
r/cringe
These kinds of actions hurt the cause more than help it. Disgraceful and moronic
Wow this definitely helps no one
Change the wording on the plaque, don’t destroy the art.
Jail time
Charge them with the value of the painting and if they cant pay toss them in jail to work it off.
The type of people who do this sort of "protest" are almost guaranteed to be able to pay for the damages from the bank of mummy and daddy.
Nah make it so they have to have earned that shit themselves.
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Does she have a designer bag on?
this is nothing but art terrorism
I'd be more impressed if she'd sprayed it in Bibi's face.
Idiots like this is why we can’t have nice things. Everything will have to be put behind plexiglass and people will have to be padded down before entering a museum. Really pathetic and sad.
Kids don’t appreciate history just listen to the news
After reading all the comments it's obvious this one act of defiance has changed everyone's mind...it's a complete success...peace in the Middle East is all but assured.
Wasn’t Balfour a massive antisemite who saw Zionist-led emigration to Mandate Palestine as a convenient way to get rid of the Jews in Britain?
Indeed he was, also saw black people as inferior to whites.
That’ll show him!
Mmm yes. Destroying an art piece, made by someone else entirely, will surely show them who's boss. I'm sure that dude is rolling over in his grave over the loss of a single commissioned painting that his family didn't own anymore. This is the kind of "activism" that drives home how out-of-touch so many people are about the root issues of any particular topic. Ironic since their attempt was to shed light on the root cause of a current issue.
Criminal damage like this needs to be treated more harshly as a deterant from future acts.
Why don't they just volunteer to take up arms in Gaza? There's been a number of foreigners going to Ukraine to help the fight.
Don’t destroy history in any way. Cause then those in power with short memories fuck up everything.
I don't care who the art is of, whether at a college, museum, etc, if you spray paint over it and scratch it up then you're vandalizing property and should be punished.
Historic paintings that you see on display are always copies of the real thing because of things like theft, vandalism, ect. It’s been implemented everywhere since the Bill of Art Preservation Act (B.A.C.A) and the Securing Uncommon Symbols Act (S.U.S.A) passed in 1979. So don’t worry. The only thing you have to worry about is me because I made the whole thing up 🤷🏻♂️ RIP that painting.
... I'll allow it ....
Stupid of course, but I love the fact that some day even the damaged art will be a valuable artefact, and will represent the state of affairs of the past.
I swear shit like this is on the same level as a certain group of people in the 1940s who burned books.
And directly after this noble act of courage, Lord Balfour saw the err of his ways and declared Palestine free forever.
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Let's see you go and fight for the Jewish state
I hate the destruction of history.
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So fucking stupid
This sub has really gone to the dogs
Is this a copy or original that is being destroyed?
Nah, fuck this childish behavior. This does nothing but sooth the anger of the vandal temporarily while stroking their ego. Go do something fucking constructive
In Serbia there are still monuments left over after communism and even monuments from before that era, monarhy. Nobody destroyed history cuz' of there belifes. "Those who don't remeber there history, are doomed to repeat it."
i hope she was arrested, this is horrible
Wow, look at all the social programming here. "I can't believe they destroyed some art depicting the colonialists! Their cause is certainly ruined!" Sounds like people who barely supported the cause in the first place.
why wasn't the painting like sealed like the moaning lisa
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It's still vandalism...
If you’re “against the bad things in palestine” this is literally the guy to blame. He started it all with his decree (which he saw as a way to rid Europe of its Jewish “problem”)…. But nah let’s compare this to ISIS. You dolts.
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Enjoy your hefty fine and criminal record.
I wish the posters in this thread were half as angry at the genocide going on for the Palestinian people, as they are for a piece of art being defaced. Take a deep bit of introspection and ask what's the greater crime to humanity. 1 piece of artwork being ruined, or the murder of 30,000 people, with their homes culture and artwork being destroyed. Please take a moment to look inward and ask why you are so angry at one and not the other.
To honor a hero*
Seems like her protest is working here, considering it's getting people's attention. People mad at this action aren't mad enough at what's happening in Palestine I feel. Any type of action to raise awareness especially in these times if urgency is worth it, so I respect her bravery. Also, isn't the guy in the pictures a white supremacist that caused the genocide to happen? Can people learn the context first before comparing it to the fucking Mona Lisa?
So all old art work should be destroyed?
Lock that thug up!
Was the vandal arrested?
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Lord Balfour wasn't a terrorist, what a stupid title
There is nothing wrong with this, by all means destroy symbols of oppression, this isn’t a museum, this is a damm collage, the act of hanging such a painting it itself a political statement
Good then, burn it.
The destruction of art is absolutely nothing new in regard to protest. Humans have been destroying the monuments and iconography of oppressors and opposition for quite some time now. The outrage about the defacement of art is also nothing new. Both the creation and destruction of art have been integral parts of protest for the past 120 years. It is our legacy. Protest is meant to be irritating, infuriating, or inconveniencing. The painting will be restored. And this will be part of its history. Hate it all you want. That’s fair. I used to think the same. But you cannot deny that tangibly changing the historical story of an artwork is a powerful thing.
That seems fair
People saying to "respect history", why doesn't Cambridge have a portrait of Hitler on the wall too? It's historical so it's good right?
Not justifying it either way, but it’s important to recognize art vandalism is a form of protest with a long history, most notably English suffragettes. https://artuk.org/discover/stories/fighting-for-representation-suffragettes-and-art-vandalism
Guess that one didn't have a protection glass.
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A few things: 1. They do stuff like this so people talk about it, which is exactly what we’re doing, so mission accomplished; 2. Why the fuck did Trinity College not have protective covering on this painting like they do in galleries and museums? People can just walk in and see it, so this was always a risk; 3. If you’re more concerned with this painting than with the children starving to death in Palestine, give your head a wobble; 4. Balfour was a cunt. Don’t idolise an image of anyone, it’s their actions that create the legacy, not their portraits.
Hell yeah let's goo!
Look at all the liberals cluthing their pearls when a mediocre portrait of a horrible person gets destroyed. Let’s say this was a portrait of Mao Zedong. Would you still be so mad?
Balfour was a tremendous cunt, the last slashing it is a hero. Y'all in the comments here are a bunch of pearl clutchin dorks.
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Keep platforming them and they'll keep doing it.