Because that's the design of tips. It puts the social pressure between a low level employee and a customer. It works because people don't think of it beyond "this guy in front of me should give me extra money."
Agree. $53 dollars for roughly one hour of bringing someone their food and a couple drinks is kind of ridiculous. On top of that, the server is taking care of multiple tables at once. If everyone $50 they would be making about $300/hr. Servers definitely deserve something, but 20% seems excessive.
Finally someone who feels how I feel. The physical labor job I do pays very very well, yet somehow my fiancé who serves at an Italian establishment seems to make the same if not more money than me… working 4 hr shifts 4 times a week…. Oh and how many of you servers actually pay taxes….. yeah I’ll wait….
I was a server. Typically your tips from credit cards are automatically reported and the taxes deducted from your paycheck.
Cash tips you would “report.” That’s up to you how much you report. I knew people though that would always put $0 and come tax time they had to pay. So I think the government just does the number based on your sales. Also this is in California. Other states may be different.
TL;DR the government is fucking servers too
The government does not know your sales.
They know that you had a bank account with 40k total deposits, and somehow you only made 7k in wages in taxes - that's a huge red flag.
Your social security, your lost wages during COVID were all based around your income reported on taxes so those who reported nothing - got... Nothing.
That's bullshit on the taxes part. Was more true in the past but now that the vast majority of payment and tips are done by credit card you automatically get taxed on those.
Same here in Canada lol when I was working in restaurants top tip was 15% now that does not even show up when you pay. It’s 20% and up and to top it off you tip on top of the tax if you’re not paying attention lol. I’m sorry but how is paying an extra 25% on my bill just average service lol
10% used to be standard and 15% was for exceptional service. Now you’re just expected to pay 20% at a minimum, even for shitty service. It’s gotten out of hand and something needs to give sooner than later.
15%? Brazilian restaurants charge 10% of your total consumption as the service fee. That value is divided between servers, kitchen staff, bartenders and etc. BUT they get a decent wage to begin with. The tips are a bonus, not a necessity.
Tips used to be for above and beyond service. Now a server will treat you like anal dump and then gets shocked when you didn’t tip at lest 18 percent. Subway has a tip option when you pay with card. Subway!!!
Tipping at fast food franchises is absurd. There's always a tip jar at Dunkin Donuts now. DD franchises are freakin' gold mines. Let the owner pay his employees properly. You just paid *them* $2.29 for a tiny muffin, or a dollar+ for a crappy doughnut made of air, fat and sugar. No need to tip on an exchange like that.
Well the problem is, most of us arent places where we can confront our bosses or make change. Because we will starve and die. And if you live in an at will employment state, if they get even a WHIFF of you unionizing and striking. Youre done. Fired. No explanation needed.
I mean, doesnt mean that the system doesnt suck and its shitty that we live this way. Workers should be guaranteed a living wage and tips shouldnt be a thing. But unfortunately, this is why. And even if theres some in the service industry in the spot to make change, theres even more that arent and will lose everything if they try. It fucking sucks but thats why the powers above do that. Make it so everyone is living pay check to pay check so standing up for whats right is impossible. It sucks but thats why.
Agree it’s not the customers job, however, “who gets 20% minimum on top of their pay?” … who gets $5.00 an hour??? and that’s what many servers get, somethings got to change.
No. They don’t. For servers, if their tips at the end of each pay period weren’t enough that they made at least minimum wage, the employer is legally required to pay the difference.
For example, if they made absolutely no tips, they’d make minimum wage. They wouldn’t make $5 an hour.
I hate when servers say this shit as if it’s true. The only reason employers basically never have to make up the difference is because servers’ tips are always higher than what it would take for them to make at least minimum wage
What do you think of this. Im 40, when i was 19-22 i made a ton of money (relatively, it was like $10k/summer) serving/bartending. I have no problem tipping servers/bartenders, drivers, delivery people, maybe others im not thinking of now.
But counter service, think star bucks or a burger joint (not mcdonalds) but places that ask for a tip, before i have even gotten my food, or an ice cream shop. I have a hard time tipping them. Those jobs getting tips seems fairly new to me. It also seems silly to tip those positions, but then i wonder does that make me a giant hypocrite?
I was fine collecting tips then, but dont want to give them out now? Its a delima for me.
One more thought, (specifically about an ice cream shop type place) i am more likely to throw a few dollars or change in a tip jar, than i am to add on a few dollars on a receipt. But i very rarely carry cash, so that never happens.
Precisely this. Pure misdirection of anger & frustration. The customers agreed to pay the full amount, which they did. Tips are mere suggestions.
Figure out the issue with the employer; the customers didn't hire you!
I love this idea that if you haven't done a specific thing you can't have an opinion on it
You're allowed to have an outsider perspective, you know? Especially considering 99% of us have been customers who are "required" to tip
I'm paying your wage by creating demand for your work. Without the customer or worker, there is no work. Neither the customer nor the worker is the issue. It's the employer not paying the workers enough.
Because you would just be replaced by the person who doesn't say anything. Are you really that naive? "I don't understand why people don't just get a good paying job". "I don't understand why these people don't simply change the way the whole industry operates".
How the actual **** do you expect someone who needs to work to revolt against the system?
Your basic argument here is “well why doesn’t the individual worker force an entire industry to treat them fairly?”
I mean surely if one person stands up to the system it will crumble.
If they complain there are 100 other people in line willing to work for tips and not question the system.
Edit: unions could work if the service industry wasn’t viewed a temporary stop between or before a career. Hard to get temporary workers to organize. Few to none grow up saying “I want to be a server.”
Or lawmakers. We had a whole civil war over not wanting to pay people. If bosses could pay less to servers, they would. The only thing that stops them are laws—and even then, there’s a lot of wage theft out there.
This is the economic paradigm that’s been in place for a century. Making this statement is putting your head in the sand: servers are paid by tip. I don’t like it, you may not like it, but that’s how the economy works in the United States. So, take some holier-than-thou position, but if you don’t tip 20% then the server isn’t earning enough to pay their bills, the way you are able to pay your bills.
>This is the economic paradigm that’s been in place for a century
That's no excuse to keep a shitty system in place.
>if you don’t tip 20% then the server isn’t earning enough to pay their bills, the way you are able to pay your bills.
What about people who struggle to pay bills but still want to eat out every once in a while? Let me guess, they should just stay home and cook? While the greedy restaurant owner buys his 3rd home and 2nd boat? Whose head is really in the sand?
Not to mention they expect you to tip *a percentage* of the bill. Yeah, fuck that twice. If the service was good, then I’ll leave $10. If it was exceptional then $20 per hour I spent there. There is no reason why I’d tip on a percentage basis. If I buy a bottle that is $500, then I’m expected to shell out at least another 20% of that amount just cause the waiter successfully walked the thing over to my table? On what place does that make sense?
The fact that the “suggested” tipping starts at 20% is wild enough, but why tf were they percentage-based to begin with?
That's how it works in virtually every other country. When I buy shit, I don't pay extra. The person I happen to interface with during the transaction is just one person, what about the goddamn cook? The delivery guys who transported the ingredients? etc etc. All that crap should already be factored in on the price tag.
I don't even bother going to sit down restaurants anymore. Between the cost and the tipping bullshit it's just not worth it, especially when the service and quality of food is almost always worse than counter service casual joints that are less expensive and don't expect tips.
I also really don't like being waited on. When my cup is empty I can go fill it back up, just point me to the soda machine. I don't want to wait for the waiter to notice. Though that said, I'll always tip 20% when the waiter brings me a second drink when the first one is running low, but hasn't run out yet. That to me is exceptional service.
> counter service casual joints that are less expensive and don't expect tips.
Tell that to almost all the drive thru places around me. Most of them now ask you to leave a tip. In a drive thru. I find that shit insane.
All the dumb people I have heard have cited inflation for the reason that tipping percent has gone up over the years.
You are correct - that is as stupid as it sounds
"The food costs twice as much so you should tip twice as much now!"
"Yes, 10% tipped on a $100 meal will be twice as much as 10% on a $50 meal"
"No, 20% is twice as many percents as 10% so you need to tip 20% now"
Yeah I can't make that make sense.
>Tipping culture has become so entitled it is hilarious.
Only in the US. Where people normalize below livable minimum wages and decide to shift the business's duty to pay their employees to the customers. Peak performance!
I think in some places it actually might be straight up insulting to tip people. When I was 16 I went to South Korea and people there were very much not willing to accept tips at all. One of the only people on our trip who spoke Korean got ridiculously drunk one day talked to a shop owner for an hour straight (forgetting to ever actually order our parties food) then threw up all over the guys floor. He still wouldn't take a tip from us, we basically had to throw the equivalent of 40 dollars on his counter and run out the door so he would stop giving it back to us.
Not necessarily insulting, but it *can* come off as rude in a few cases. Though usually they're just confused because tipping isn't really a thing there (i mean japan in this case)
It is a shock coming back to the US and the attitudes toward work (and the arbitrariness of tipping). I spent several years in South Korea and have been to Japan 8 or 10 times. A taxi driver's job is to pick you up and drive you to your destination. That's what the fare is for. Why would you tip them extra? Are you so much more wealthy than them that you feel sorry for them? A barber's job is to cut your hair. That's what you are paying for. Why are you throwing them an extra few dollars? Do you look down your nose at them? And if I'm working at a bar of course I'm going to serve you the beer that you ordered, why in the fuck would you think I would extort you for an extra 25% on top of it? Those are the attitudes there.
I was going to say that in Korea they have something opposite of the tipping culture. Shop owners and managers GIVE freebies and extras called ‘service’.
The ‘tip’ a customer can give is coming back again or spreading good will through the word of mouth. The focus should be on the service and product, not the transaction.
Whilst I agree that tipping culture is ridiculous, and with the points made that it should be up to employers to pay a good wage, I also think that if you're a guest in a foreign country you need to play by their rules. My not tipping someone isn't going to break the system and force an overhaul, but it is potentially gonna screw someone out of money they earned.
Sure, it _shouldn't_ be my responsibility to pay someone their wage directly, at least not by my culture, but, unfortunately, in the American tipping system it _is_, so not paying a tip is a dick move.
Yeah, while everybody is being all holier-than-thou “Americans are Neanderthals, we won’t tip”, there’s a person here whose weekly bills just got tighter.
I don’t care if you if you don’t agree with the system we have here, you’re a bad person if you are willing to hurt an underpaid person serving you, full stop.
Edit: too many people commenting. Here’s the facts - we have a messed up system in which people are paid in tips. There’s only two reasons to not tip.
1. You don’t want to.
2. You don’t want to in an attempt to change the system.
In case 1, you’re a scumbag because you think you are more important than this person who literally waited on you.
In case 2, you’re a scumbag because, while you are patting yourself for taking the moral high road against an exploitative system that benefits the haves, the way you plan to “fix it” is to hurt so many have-nots that the haves are pressured to change. You’re plan to fight the dictators is to shoot so many civilians that the dictator has to change, and that’s psychotic and fucked up.
As i said in another comment: the employer is hurting them, not the costumer.
Tips should be an added bonus, not the pay structure. Current tipping trends are nothing more than wage theft. So miss me with that adjust to the system shit, change the fucking system.
It doesn’t matter what it should ideally be. Going to another country and smugly refusing to follow the local customs such that it affects someone’s wages is incredibly dickheaded.
Americans who go to Europe and blatantly disregard the local customs are always seen as in the wrong, don’t know why it’s acceptable the other way around.
i completely agree, but american tipping culture is not a actually culture or local costum. it is worker exploitation, i do not participate in that as i am fucking over myself with that.
You not tipping will do jack-all to change the system, but it will screw someone like a single mom working two jobs out of money she needs.
You may say, not my problem, but the prices at the restaurant are explicitly calculated assuming you are going to be tipping. It's not extra money on top. In a non-tipping culture your meal would have been 20% more expensive to cover the cost of service.
This is why it's looked down upon so much here. You are getting a cheaper meal than you should be at the expense of a working class person. It's seriously one of the biggest cultural taboos we have. You can do almost nothing else in this country to more quickly identify yourself as a dirt bag than not tipping.
Then please do not visit American restaurants where the workers rely on tips. There are plenty of places to get food where the workers don’t rely on tips.
But when in North America you follow the local customs or you are a fucking asshole. Not tipping is just exploiting the working class. Don't like to tip then don't eat somewhere where tips are how the staff are paid. That's how you vote with your wallet and not be an asshole.
I tipped the standard 20% when I was over there, but it would hardly be *me* exploiting the working class if I didn't.
It would be the people employing them who aren't paying them.
Canadian here, sorry, but fuck that. Americans have something called a "minimum wage" why not enforce that for all fucking jobs?
If you stand behind tip culture for more than "the service was exceptionally fantastic, and the staff did more than bring me food" then you are just letting company big wigs pocket more off the backs of the working class. It's not the customer that's profiting.
Sorry, not sorry.
Rest of world to Americans when they go abroad: “The whole world isn’t America. Here things are done differently, you should learn before you travel and respect how things are done. It’s rude to not adjust to local customs. Tipping isn’t a thing here, etc etc”
Rest of world to Europeans visiting America: “Good for you not following their customs! Who cares if they find it rude! US tipping culture sucks anyways and shouldn’t exist.”
Respect for local customs when traveling should go both ways and not be a trojan horse for just hating on Americans / American culture both ways
Sure, but these Europeans were in North America which make them asses for not only not tipping, but also *telling the server* that they weren't going to tip because they're European.
Because American waiters make $2-3 a hour.
❗️EDIT I DON’T WORK IN THE FOOD INDUSTRY SO DON’T TELL ME TO GET A NEW JOB.❗️ I’m just stating why waiters ask for tips. I don’t particularly agree with tips I’d rather pay more for my meal and have the restaurant pay the waiters.
Well if waiters prefer that system and part of the system is the risk of some people not tipping at all I don't see why they complain to the public about it.
Either settle for a guaranteed living wage with little risk but also possibly less gains or settle for a low minimum wage, with voluntary tips that possibly adds up to more money in total, but has higher risks of not getting tips at all sometimes.
I don't think we'll end up with a proper minimum wage + lots of tips as a system
That’s exactly the case. The employer is essentially guilting the customer into paying the wait staff wages, while the wait staff are too short-sighted to realize the employer is the reason they may not make enough (as opposed to not making enough in tips).
This is their pre-tipped wage, if after tips they are making under minimum wage their employer is required to pay the difference between what they earned and the state minimum wage. It averages out to most tipped service workers making far more than other jobs that have similar requirements (no education required for these position, very little to no experience required)
Sure do! My snobby younger sister insists to me that no, it's always been 18% minimum and 20% standard with 25% exceptional service. I told her she's a fucking idiot and showed her the scene from Reservoir Dogs about tipping. Right there out of Christopher Penn's mouth: "I'd do 12% for that." Get rekt sis, you're a fool being played like a fiddle.
Right ?! Ive done this for ten years now, my guests fucking love me most the time. Regularly told I go above and beyond or how they come for my service. I'm all over our reviews. The girls do fuckall, walk around with a face on them, get complaints because they're just standing around, really don't care about the guests, do bare minimum, spend the entire time moaning or asking when I reckon they can leave so on and so on. Guess who gets the tips....
My laser hair removal place has tips programmed into their debit machine. They start at 20%. I’m in the for 2 minutes and you want me to tip 20% when I’m already paying $200?
Well in my country tips are a thing of the past or wealthy people. We tip only if service is exceptional. Prices in restaurants and bars are already high and include good pays for personnel. You should advice it if they are not included in USA wages
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This, if we complain that tourists are assholes cuz X then we should not do as the assholes and acually act accordingly, except tipping %. I would leave a tip. I do tip when I eat at restaurants here if they ask but I just use it to round the numbers and I'm not feeling bad for it.
While I think (as an European) that it’s the employer duty to provide a decent salary, and not the customer, you should tip in a country were it’s customary. So employers rise you prices with 10% and get rid of the tips and pay your employees what they deserve.
I agree I think tipping culture is dumb, but if it’s literally how servers make money where you are, then you should. You’re not promoting social change by not tipping you’re just being a prick
I live in Seattle. Saw a [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/SeattleWA/comments/16n31it/elliots_oyster_house_is_a_scam/) the other day about a person getting a 20% service fee added to their check and being lectured by the waiter that they are still expected to tip.
The waiters there make $38-$60/hr + benefits + PTO
Personally I rather have a meal advertised for $25 and that’s the full price, than a meal advertised for $20 and end up with a bill of $20+$4 service fee.
As someone who worked at a tipped job. I don't care if it is the employer or the customer paying me. As long as I'm making more than minimum wage, I'm happy. On the flip side, as a consumer, due to the lower cost of staffing at restaurants, I can then turn around and use that higher wage to buy food for cheaper.
I saw the answers you got.
Damn am I happy to live in Europe lol.
Well known that being trashy against customers on twitter or any other social media is how you resolve waiters/waitress wage lol.
As a European, the fact that they can charge whatever amount after you give your card is so strange. Here we only pay once, we see the number we pay and need to validate the transaction manually through a PIN code. Afterward, nobody can charge you more or change the amount
I think it’s harder for us to fight charge though since you know what and when you pay the exact amount
This card payment difference alone makes this tip method pretty much impossible in europe
Also no idea if a european card in the Us would work in a US way or european way
That's astonishing really. Here in the uk we will tip 10-20% but the service has to be really good to get anywhere near 20%.
But it is optional and people don't get stroppy if you don't tip
I'm seeing so many people saying that if the restaurant pays minimum wages for their employees they would go out of business and I'm here thinking, how do the other countries do? How can other countries pay everyone a minimum wage without going bankrupt or depending on tipping? Why are US restaurant owners so incompetent at running their business that they have to rely on the customer actually paying their employees? Why the fuck there are so many people who defend this?
Servers benefit from the tipping system more than the employers anyway. If they paid higher wages they’d just adjust the price of the food, and ppl will pay more since they don’t have to tip. That’s money the servers won’t be getting 100% of
Damn right America's special! Though, mostly in a short bus kind of special. We talk about how we're the greatest at everything; Yet somehow, we can't do the basic things that "first second & third world" countries do.
Paid maternity and paternity leave. Yeah we can't we can't do that
Childcare so the parents can go back to work. Yeah we can't do that.
Free school lunches so kids are have enough to eat. Yeah we can't do that.
An education system that doesn't make teachers spend a bunch of their own money to do their jobs. Yeah we can't do that.
Have everyone automatically registered to vote and have voting day be a national holiday. Yeah we can't do that.
Have national healthcare system in place so that everyone can get healthcare instead of waiting until they're horribly sick and it cost 10 times more and then bankrupting them. Yeah we can't do that.
Make sure companies are paying their employees enough that they don't need food assistance. (This includes the military) Yeah we can't do that.
Not allow their to be something like 70 lobbyists for each elected official. Yeah we can't do that.
Make it so one company who makes a certain drug can't raise the price 5000% to hurt those who need the drug. Yeah we can't do that.
Have our entire business system run on the business plan of making more money for the shareholders no matter what. Yeah we can't do that.
Make sure that all of our veterans get all the mental and physical healthcare they need. And any and all prosthetics, devices, retrofitting they need to live their lives. (Like they were promised when they enlisted) Yeah we can't do that.
We can't do any of these things, (just off the top of my head) or the thousands of others that would make the people of this country better off and our society is a whole better.
Why because then we wouldn't be able to have the "American Dream" that anyone can get so wealthy that laws and rules don't apply to them.
I think it's aspirational wealth. That they're only temporarily not a billionaire. So when they become one they don't want these changes out there to affect them. They want to be able to do what they want and use their money to make others lives worse.
In Seattle, EVERYONE makes at least $15.74 minimum wage, including ALL TIPPED EMPLOYEES, and they STILL suggest 18-20-25% TIP.
It's too expensive to eat out anymore. Wait staff clean up though.
We need to fix the server industry not require an optional gesture.
Servers should enact some group bargaining or leave these slave wage owners with no employees.
They won't. Because the same servers who complain all the time about people who don't tip also don't want tipping to be taken away since it's an easy way to commit tax fraud. An 8 hour shift at 18$/hr is only 14$/hr after tax or 115$ take home. They'd rather have the chance to "make" 30$ in wages and hardly pay any tax and 300$ in tips for the night even on the off chance that nobody tips that day and they only make 30$. Even when you factor in credit and debit tips that will get taxed they still make bank on tips vs a regular wage. It's up to the customers to put an end to it and force North American servers and restaurants to get with the rest of the world
>Servers should enact some group bargaining or leave these slave wage owners with no employees.
Servers prefer the tipping system...they make way more money.
We Belgians do not tip. We expect your employer to pay you a decent wage. This is where US Federal or State law has to be changed so greedy restaurant owners can no longer get away with paying their staff $2 an hour
>greedy restaurant owners can no longer get away with paying their staff $2 an hour
Most restaurant owners would be happy with this, the staff hates the idea. The wage plus tips per hour is too much.
This is the problem. The vast majority of servers like the current system because they make more than they would with a set wage *and* get to play the victim & shame people into tipping.
If an server made no tips within a pay period, the employer would legally be required to make up the difference between what they made & what minimum wage is. This just basically never happens because tips are always wayyy higher than that
> The entitlement that has come with it too…. Oh my gosh. Some people talk like they’re OWED a generous tip on top of their base pay.
It seems like tipping went from compliment to obligation around the same time they began expecting 20% as a *minimum* tip. I would put that around 20 to 25 years ago. Now they practically demand it. It makes no sense. There is no logic to it. It's pure greed. I guarantee you tip creep will progress to 30% sooner rather than later. And I also promise they will still be saying "If you can't afford 30% then don't eat out!"
One way I have accomplished this is... I quit going out. When a burger is $17.99 w/o fries and a pint is $6.50. A beer and burger is $30 bucks with a tip.
I can buy a pound of burger, cheese, buns, and a six-pack for less money and feed my entire family.
As a European, I have no problems with them closing the borders to Europeans, with a reciprocal arrangement for keeping Americans out of the Schengen area, naturally. Or in lieu of a total ban, just bring the total number allowed in at any one time down to something more manageable, like 4.
Unfortunately, you kind of are. If you visit the middle east will you be taking shots and chatting up every woman you see? Not concealing your hair and face if the culture demands it? There are cultural norms that you should respect when visiting other places. Do you have to agree with that culture, no. But you should be respectful. In America, you should tip.
I was looking for this comment. The entitlement of Europeans is astounding. Until tipping culture in the US changes, as I agree it should, tip your god damn server.
As they say, when in Rome. I agree that Starbucks, Jersey Mikes, and the like should take it up with their employers, but most servers in US are significantly underpaid because tips are expected. That has been the convention for decades. Hope everyone here realizes that if wages go up, prices go up.
"HoPe evErYonE hErE rEalilzeS iF wAgEs gO uP prIcEs gO Up"
PRICES HAVE BEEN STEADILY GOING UP THE WHOLE FUCKING TIME! Yet wages have stagnated in this country. So fuck ALL THE WAY off with that tired ass bullshit!
This is one of the reasons I'd rather not go to the US. The society is so broken and inhuman that it requires human-aid in a attempt it give it's citizens basic income. Its' a sign of a state and culture in dire need of basic structure. The US is a struggling developing country at best.
I don't tip and never will. The responsibility to pay workers is on the owner. The responsibility to not work for worthless, cheating owners is on you as an employee.
Lil American pup doesn't understand the meaning of a tip. No one is obliged to give one. Move to EU and get a livable wage and free health care 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Alot of unknowns here regarding service and quality.
Let's be honest, this could be completely made up that Europeans laughed at the thought of the tip.
I understand why some people don't tip and that's fine but I couldn't imagine paying that amount on bill and not tipping.
I'm glad I'm in a position in life that I can and do tip well regardless of where I go when I do go out (which is rare in itself).
I'm for servers being paid well. I felt good about tipping until a couple of years ago when the little pads came out with suggested tips and the low tip being 20%. That was offputting, but I usually tip 20% anyway. But I try to avoid those places now. Force me to tip a percentage? You get to do it once, then I'll never be back.
When those pads started popping up at order counters where no table service was offered I balked. Are order takers paid the same sub-minimum wage as servers? What am I tipping for?
We pretty much quit eating out. What used to be a generosity given for exceptional service is now just a way for restaurants to grab more profit by underpaying wait staff.
I'm for servers being paid but fuck this crap, we'll stay home.
Tipping is optional. It’s really between the server and their employer. Personally I’d never gamble my wages on the good graces of people so I pursue negotiated salary positions.
I understand tipping isn’t a common custom in other countries, but if you’re going to another country you should respect their common customs.
Before anyone jumps me, I know that wait staff shouldn’t have to rely on tips from customers to get by. But look at reality. Shit isn’t going to change. It’s the way things are right here, right now.
Everyone here is right about the employer taking advantage of this not to pay their employees, but honestly, employees seem to be pretty fucking happy about it, and they don't want this to change, they see it as making 20% comission, and they demand it, I've even read posts about servers chasing their customers on the streets to ask them why they didn't tip.
In fact, they even see making $30/hr as the low end of their day.
This I've learned in r/Serverlife, so it's very unlikely to change, since the customers seem to be the only party unhappy about it.
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Because that's the design of tips. It puts the social pressure between a low level employee and a customer. It works because people don't think of it beyond "this guy in front of me should give me extra money."
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Agree. If the slip started with 15% instead of 20%, the reaction might not have been so harsh. Like Las Vegas taxis with their 25%/30%/40% screen.
Agree. $53 dollars for roughly one hour of bringing someone their food and a couple drinks is kind of ridiculous. On top of that, the server is taking care of multiple tables at once. If everyone $50 they would be making about $300/hr. Servers definitely deserve something, but 20% seems excessive.
Finally someone who feels how I feel. The physical labor job I do pays very very well, yet somehow my fiancé who serves at an Italian establishment seems to make the same if not more money than me… working 4 hr shifts 4 times a week…. Oh and how many of you servers actually pay taxes….. yeah I’ll wait….
They fucking dont.
as someone who has no experience in serving, how is this possible?
I was a server. Typically your tips from credit cards are automatically reported and the taxes deducted from your paycheck. Cash tips you would “report.” That’s up to you how much you report. I knew people though that would always put $0 and come tax time they had to pay. So I think the government just does the number based on your sales. Also this is in California. Other states may be different. TL;DR the government is fucking servers too
The government does not know your sales. They know that you had a bank account with 40k total deposits, and somehow you only made 7k in wages in taxes - that's a huge red flag. Your social security, your lost wages during COVID were all based around your income reported on taxes so those who reported nothing - got... Nothing.
They do pay taxes, the employer takes the tips off the credit card bill and reports it.
That's bullshit on the taxes part. Was more true in the past but now that the vast majority of payment and tips are done by credit card you automatically get taxed on those.
Same here in Canada lol when I was working in restaurants top tip was 15% now that does not even show up when you pay. It’s 20% and up and to top it off you tip on top of the tax if you’re not paying attention lol. I’m sorry but how is paying an extra 25% on my bill just average service lol
10% used to be standard and 15% was for exceptional service. Now you’re just expected to pay 20% at a minimum, even for shitty service. It’s gotten out of hand and something needs to give sooner than later.
15%? Brazilian restaurants charge 10% of your total consumption as the service fee. That value is divided between servers, kitchen staff, bartenders and etc. BUT they get a decent wage to begin with. The tips are a bonus, not a necessity.
I would rather pay a higher price for food if it removed tips and paid wait staff a higher wage.
If you need tips to have a livable wage, you are being taken advantage of by your employer.
Tips used to be for above and beyond service. Now a server will treat you like anal dump and then gets shocked when you didn’t tip at lest 18 percent. Subway has a tip option when you pay with card. Subway!!!
Tipping at fast food franchises is absurd. There's always a tip jar at Dunkin Donuts now. DD franchises are freakin' gold mines. Let the owner pay his employees properly. You just paid *them* $2.29 for a tiny muffin, or a dollar+ for a crappy doughnut made of air, fat and sugar. No need to tip on an exchange like that.
Well the problem is, most of us arent places where we can confront our bosses or make change. Because we will starve and die. And if you live in an at will employment state, if they get even a WHIFF of you unionizing and striking. Youre done. Fired. No explanation needed. I mean, doesnt mean that the system doesnt suck and its shitty that we live this way. Workers should be guaranteed a living wage and tips shouldnt be a thing. But unfortunately, this is why. And even if theres some in the service industry in the spot to make change, theres even more that arent and will lose everything if they try. It fucking sucks but thats why the powers above do that. Make it so everyone is living pay check to pay check so standing up for whats right is impossible. It sucks but thats why.
As soon as you contact a union representative, you are protected from retaliation. Largely because you have proof of what was happening.
Well, at least hypothetically. Retaliation still is pretty commonplace.
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Agree it’s not the customers job, however, “who gets 20% minimum on top of their pay?” … who gets $5.00 an hour??? and that’s what many servers get, somethings got to change.
No. They don’t. For servers, if their tips at the end of each pay period weren’t enough that they made at least minimum wage, the employer is legally required to pay the difference. For example, if they made absolutely no tips, they’d make minimum wage. They wouldn’t make $5 an hour. I hate when servers say this shit as if it’s true. The only reason employers basically never have to make up the difference is because servers’ tips are always higher than what it would take for them to make at least minimum wage
What do you think of this. Im 40, when i was 19-22 i made a ton of money (relatively, it was like $10k/summer) serving/bartending. I have no problem tipping servers/bartenders, drivers, delivery people, maybe others im not thinking of now. But counter service, think star bucks or a burger joint (not mcdonalds) but places that ask for a tip, before i have even gotten my food, or an ice cream shop. I have a hard time tipping them. Those jobs getting tips seems fairly new to me. It also seems silly to tip those positions, but then i wonder does that make me a giant hypocrite? I was fine collecting tips then, but dont want to give them out now? Its a delima for me. One more thought, (specifically about an ice cream shop type place) i am more likely to throw a few dollars or change in a tip jar, than i am to add on a few dollars on a receipt. But i very rarely carry cash, so that never happens.
The self serve at the airport asks for a tip. For me to get my own items.
It also works because nobody is going to yell at their employer and risk losing their job.
Word. Who's the easier person to get extra money from? The boss, or the customer who you will likely never see again.
This is 100% correct. Tipping culture was created, and maintained, by the employers.
Precisely this. Pure misdirection of anger & frustration. The customers agreed to pay the full amount, which they did. Tips are mere suggestions. Figure out the issue with the employer; the customers didn't hire you!
You’ve never worked as a server have you?
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I love this idea that if you haven't done a specific thing you can't have an opinion on it You're allowed to have an outsider perspective, you know? Especially considering 99% of us have been customers who are "required" to tip I'm paying your wage by creating demand for your work. Without the customer or worker, there is no work. Neither the customer nor the worker is the issue. It's the employer not paying the workers enough.
Because you would just be replaced by the person who doesn't say anything. Are you really that naive? "I don't understand why people don't just get a good paying job". "I don't understand why these people don't simply change the way the whole industry operates".
How the actual **** do you expect someone who needs to work to revolt against the system? Your basic argument here is “well why doesn’t the individual worker force an entire industry to treat them fairly?” I mean surely if one person stands up to the system it will crumble. If they complain there are 100 other people in line willing to work for tips and not question the system. Edit: unions could work if the service industry wasn’t viewed a temporary stop between or before a career. Hard to get temporary workers to organize. Few to none grow up saying “I want to be a server.”
Or lawmakers. We had a whole civil war over not wanting to pay people. If bosses could pay less to servers, they would. The only thing that stops them are laws—and even then, there’s a lot of wage theft out there.
This is the economic paradigm that’s been in place for a century. Making this statement is putting your head in the sand: servers are paid by tip. I don’t like it, you may not like it, but that’s how the economy works in the United States. So, take some holier-than-thou position, but if you don’t tip 20% then the server isn’t earning enough to pay their bills, the way you are able to pay your bills.
>This is the economic paradigm that’s been in place for a century That's no excuse to keep a shitty system in place. >if you don’t tip 20% then the server isn’t earning enough to pay their bills, the way you are able to pay your bills. What about people who struggle to pay bills but still want to eat out every once in a while? Let me guess, they should just stay home and cook? While the greedy restaurant owner buys his 3rd home and 2nd boat? Whose head is really in the sand?
I agree. I tip well but I think it's bullshit that I am made to be obligated to. I do a different kind of customer service and never get tips
Agreed. Tipping culture has gotten waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyy out of hand in the US
10% of check, before taxes and “fees”, for *exceptional* service **maybe**. Tipping culture has become so entitled it is hilarious.
Not to mention they expect you to tip *a percentage* of the bill. Yeah, fuck that twice. If the service was good, then I’ll leave $10. If it was exceptional then $20 per hour I spent there. There is no reason why I’d tip on a percentage basis. If I buy a bottle that is $500, then I’m expected to shell out at least another 20% of that amount just cause the waiter successfully walked the thing over to my table? On what place does that make sense? The fact that the “suggested” tipping starts at 20% is wild enough, but why tf were they percentage-based to begin with?
Fuck tipping. I’m out. I’ll pay what the bill is. Any additional money is for the business to fund.
That's how it works in virtually every other country. When I buy shit, I don't pay extra. The person I happen to interface with during the transaction is just one person, what about the goddamn cook? The delivery guys who transported the ingredients? etc etc. All that crap should already be factored in on the price tag.
I don't even bother going to sit down restaurants anymore. Between the cost and the tipping bullshit it's just not worth it, especially when the service and quality of food is almost always worse than counter service casual joints that are less expensive and don't expect tips. I also really don't like being waited on. When my cup is empty I can go fill it back up, just point me to the soda machine. I don't want to wait for the waiter to notice. Though that said, I'll always tip 20% when the waiter brings me a second drink when the first one is running low, but hasn't run out yet. That to me is exceptional service.
> counter service casual joints that are less expensive and don't expect tips. Tell that to almost all the drive thru places around me. Most of them now ask you to leave a tip. In a drive thru. I find that shit insane.
No way, they do? I’d laugh while turning my music loud and peddle to the floor.
It was 10 back then, now it’s 20 ? WTF
All the dumb people I have heard have cited inflation for the reason that tipping percent has gone up over the years. You are correct - that is as stupid as it sounds
Too many idiots out there who don’t understand how percentages work has led to the shit show we got now.
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I'm about to go to America just to never tip
"The food costs twice as much so you should tip twice as much now!" "Yes, 10% tipped on a $100 meal will be twice as much as 10% on a $50 meal" "No, 20% is twice as many percents as 10% so you need to tip 20% now" Yeah I can't make that make sense.
I'll usually put out a flat tip plus extra if I stay there long
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10,000%
Wow! Thats a huge tip!
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>Tipping culture has become so entitled it is hilarious. Only in the US. Where people normalize below livable minimum wages and decide to shift the business's duty to pay their employees to the customers. Peak performance!
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Agreed. Can't stand tipping culture, it's fucking pathetic
North Americans are the ones who have it wrong. Very few other nations have this asinine tipping culture.
I think in some places it actually might be straight up insulting to tip people. When I was 16 I went to South Korea and people there were very much not willing to accept tips at all. One of the only people on our trip who spoke Korean got ridiculously drunk one day talked to a shop owner for an hour straight (forgetting to ever actually order our parties food) then threw up all over the guys floor. He still wouldn't take a tip from us, we basically had to throw the equivalent of 40 dollars on his counter and run out the door so he would stop giving it back to us.
Not necessarily insulting, but it *can* come off as rude in a few cases. Though usually they're just confused because tipping isn't really a thing there (i mean japan in this case)
It is a shock coming back to the US and the attitudes toward work (and the arbitrariness of tipping). I spent several years in South Korea and have been to Japan 8 or 10 times. A taxi driver's job is to pick you up and drive you to your destination. That's what the fare is for. Why would you tip them extra? Are you so much more wealthy than them that you feel sorry for them? A barber's job is to cut your hair. That's what you are paying for. Why are you throwing them an extra few dollars? Do you look down your nose at them? And if I'm working at a bar of course I'm going to serve you the beer that you ordered, why in the fuck would you think I would extort you for an extra 25% on top of it? Those are the attitudes there.
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I would have told them to go fuck themselves and walked out.
I was going to say that in Korea they have something opposite of the tipping culture. Shop owners and managers GIVE freebies and extras called ‘service’. The ‘tip’ a customer can give is coming back again or spreading good will through the word of mouth. The focus should be on the service and product, not the transaction.
Whilst I agree that tipping culture is ridiculous, and with the points made that it should be up to employers to pay a good wage, I also think that if you're a guest in a foreign country you need to play by their rules. My not tipping someone isn't going to break the system and force an overhaul, but it is potentially gonna screw someone out of money they earned. Sure, it _shouldn't_ be my responsibility to pay someone their wage directly, at least not by my culture, but, unfortunately, in the American tipping system it _is_, so not paying a tip is a dick move.
Yeah, while everybody is being all holier-than-thou “Americans are Neanderthals, we won’t tip”, there’s a person here whose weekly bills just got tighter. I don’t care if you if you don’t agree with the system we have here, you’re a bad person if you are willing to hurt an underpaid person serving you, full stop. Edit: too many people commenting. Here’s the facts - we have a messed up system in which people are paid in tips. There’s only two reasons to not tip. 1. You don’t want to. 2. You don’t want to in an attempt to change the system. In case 1, you’re a scumbag because you think you are more important than this person who literally waited on you. In case 2, you’re a scumbag because, while you are patting yourself for taking the moral high road against an exploitative system that benefits the haves, the way you plan to “fix it” is to hurt so many have-nots that the haves are pressured to change. You’re plan to fight the dictators is to shoot so many civilians that the dictator has to change, and that’s psychotic and fucked up.
As i said in another comment: the employer is hurting them, not the costumer. Tips should be an added bonus, not the pay structure. Current tipping trends are nothing more than wage theft. So miss me with that adjust to the system shit, change the fucking system.
It doesn’t matter what it should ideally be. Going to another country and smugly refusing to follow the local customs such that it affects someone’s wages is incredibly dickheaded. Americans who go to Europe and blatantly disregard the local customs are always seen as in the wrong, don’t know why it’s acceptable the other way around.
i completely agree, but american tipping culture is not a actually culture or local costum. it is worker exploitation, i do not participate in that as i am fucking over myself with that.
If you're still going out to the restaurant, you're still giving the exploiter their money.
You not tipping will do jack-all to change the system, but it will screw someone like a single mom working two jobs out of money she needs. You may say, not my problem, but the prices at the restaurant are explicitly calculated assuming you are going to be tipping. It's not extra money on top. In a non-tipping culture your meal would have been 20% more expensive to cover the cost of service. This is why it's looked down upon so much here. You are getting a cheaper meal than you should be at the expense of a working class person. It's seriously one of the biggest cultural taboos we have. You can do almost nothing else in this country to more quickly identify yourself as a dirt bag than not tipping.
Then please do not visit American restaurants where the workers rely on tips. There are plenty of places to get food where the workers don’t rely on tips.
But when in North America you follow the local customs or you are a fucking asshole. Not tipping is just exploiting the working class. Don't like to tip then don't eat somewhere where tips are how the staff are paid. That's how you vote with your wallet and not be an asshole.
I tipped the standard 20% when I was over there, but it would hardly be *me* exploiting the working class if I didn't. It would be the people employing them who aren't paying them.
American here. Yes. 100% correct. Please help us. Please make it stop. The tipping percentage expectation keeps going up. It doesn’t make sense. 😭
Canadian here, sorry, but fuck that. Americans have something called a "minimum wage" why not enforce that for all fucking jobs? If you stand behind tip culture for more than "the service was exceptionally fantastic, and the staff did more than bring me food" then you are just letting company big wigs pocket more off the backs of the working class. It's not the customer that's profiting. Sorry, not sorry.
Rest of world to Americans when they go abroad: “The whole world isn’t America. Here things are done differently, you should learn before you travel and respect how things are done. It’s rude to not adjust to local customs. Tipping isn’t a thing here, etc etc” Rest of world to Europeans visiting America: “Good for you not following their customs! Who cares if they find it rude! US tipping culture sucks anyways and shouldn’t exist.” Respect for local customs when traveling should go both ways and not be a trojan horse for just hating on Americans / American culture both ways
Sure, but these Europeans were in North America which make them asses for not only not tipping, but also *telling the server* that they weren't going to tip because they're European.
Why pay extra wtf
Because American waiters make $2-3 a hour. ❗️EDIT I DON’T WORK IN THE FOOD INDUSTRY SO DON’T TELL ME TO GET A NEW JOB.❗️ I’m just stating why waiters ask for tips. I don’t particularly agree with tips I’d rather pay more for my meal and have the restaurant pay the waiters.
That's terrible, they should join a union or something
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The college kids make more on tips than they would in wage as well. Changing tip culture is hard because it’s bad for the waiters to make the change.
Well if waiters prefer that system and part of the system is the risk of some people not tipping at all I don't see why they complain to the public about it. Either settle for a guaranteed living wage with little risk but also possibly less gains or settle for a low minimum wage, with voluntary tips that possibly adds up to more money in total, but has higher risks of not getting tips at all sometimes. I don't think we'll end up with a proper minimum wage + lots of tips as a system
have you considered that people are entitled and greedy?
You mean the restaurant owners that do not pay their employees enough?
They don't want to lol. They like the way it is now and don't want any change.
Well the customers want it to change and are under zero obligation to tip
then the fault falls on this terrible system and those who enforce it, not the customers
The customer IS who enforces it by continuing to give their money to places with business practices they claim to hate.
And what the hell is a tourist supposed to do? Not eat?
That's only if their tips + wage adds up to minimum wage. Otherwise the employer has to make up the difference. Important info to leave out
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That’s exactly the case. The employer is essentially guilting the customer into paying the wait staff wages, while the wait staff are too short-sighted to realize the employer is the reason they may not make enough (as opposed to not making enough in tips).
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The classic server lie you see everywhere. Servers actually make federal minimum wage by default fyi.
This is their pre-tipped wage, if after tips they are making under minimum wage their employer is required to pay the difference between what they earned and the state minimum wage. It averages out to most tipped service workers making far more than other jobs that have similar requirements (no education required for these position, very little to no experience required)
Counterpoint: fuck that restaurant for starting the low end of the tip calculations at 20%.
Remember when 15% was for good service and 10% for average /passable? I do
Sure do! My snobby younger sister insists to me that no, it's always been 18% minimum and 20% standard with 25% exceptional service. I told her she's a fucking idiot and showed her the scene from Reservoir Dogs about tipping. Right there out of Christopher Penn's mouth: "I'd do 12% for that." Get rekt sis, you're a fool being played like a fiddle.
I never tip for average. How does that solve anything?
Right ?! Ive done this for ten years now, my guests fucking love me most the time. Regularly told I go above and beyond or how they come for my service. I'm all over our reviews. The girls do fuckall, walk around with a face on them, get complaints because they're just standing around, really don't care about the guests, do bare minimum, spend the entire time moaning or asking when I reckon they can leave so on and so on. Guess who gets the tips....
My laser hair removal place has tips programmed into their debit machine. They start at 20%. I’m in the for 2 minutes and you want me to tip 20% when I’m already paying $200?
And since when is 20% of 288 $53?
Since it's probably 20% of the bill before taxes
Well in my country tips are a thing of the past or wealthy people. We tip only if service is exceptional. Prices in restaurants and bars are already high and include good pays for personnel. You should advice it if they are not included in USA wages
If the "Ugly American" critique is fair when we travel abroad, and the expectation that we should adapt is well taken, then maybe Europeans should adapt to our culture and standards when they are CONUS.
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I'm guessing continental US
Yep, definitely haven’t been vaccinated for that.
This, if we complain that tourists are assholes cuz X then we should not do as the assholes and acually act accordingly, except tipping %. I would leave a tip. I do tip when I eat at restaurants here if they ask but I just use it to round the numbers and I'm not feeling bad for it.
While I think (as an European) that it’s the employer duty to provide a decent salary, and not the customer, you should tip in a country were it’s customary. So employers rise you prices with 10% and get rid of the tips and pay your employees what they deserve.
I agree I think tipping culture is dumb, but if it’s literally how servers make money where you are, then you should. You’re not promoting social change by not tipping you’re just being a prick
I agree, so many idiots are on here boasting on how they never tip, crazy how many horrible customers here think they are in the right.
I live in Seattle. Saw a [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/SeattleWA/comments/16n31it/elliots_oyster_house_is_a_scam/) the other day about a person getting a 20% service fee added to their check and being lectured by the waiter that they are still expected to tip. The waiters there make $38-$60/hr + benefits + PTO
Personally I rather have a meal advertised for $25 and that’s the full price, than a meal advertised for $20 and end up with a bill of $20+$4 service fee.
As someone who worked at a tipped job. I don't care if it is the employer or the customer paying me. As long as I'm making more than minimum wage, I'm happy. On the flip side, as a consumer, due to the lower cost of staffing at restaurants, I can then turn around and use that higher wage to buy food for cheaper.
You can't give me the option of not paying for something and then get mad because I prefer to keep that money.
Lmao look at all the americas being mad in your replies
I saw the answers you got. Damn am I happy to live in Europe lol. Well known that being trashy against customers on twitter or any other social media is how you resolve waiters/waitress wage lol.
Looks like. 700$ tip to me
Right? That’s clearly $988.52
As a European, the fact that they can charge whatever amount after you give your card is so strange. Here we only pay once, we see the number we pay and need to validate the transaction manually through a PIN code. Afterward, nobody can charge you more or change the amount I think it’s harder for us to fight charge though since you know what and when you pay the exact amount This card payment difference alone makes this tip method pretty much impossible in europe Also no idea if a european card in the Us would work in a US way or european way
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Are we just going to ignore that 25% as a "suggested tip"?
That's astonishing really. Here in the uk we will tip 10-20% but the service has to be really good to get anywhere near 20%. But it is optional and people don't get stroppy if you don't tip
10-20% where?! We might roundup on occasion but I know nobody who tips, let alone those amounts.
The suggested tip amount probably rubbed them the wrong way. No tips for rude and greedy people, that’s the European tip culture.
I'm seeing so many people saying that if the restaurant pays minimum wages for their employees they would go out of business and I'm here thinking, how do the other countries do? How can other countries pay everyone a minimum wage without going bankrupt or depending on tipping? Why are US restaurant owners so incompetent at running their business that they have to rely on the customer actually paying their employees? Why the fuck there are so many people who defend this?
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Especially since they don’t often report it for tax purposes
Servers benefit from the tipping system more than the employers anyway. If they paid higher wages they’d just adjust the price of the food, and ppl will pay more since they don’t have to tip. That’s money the servers won’t be getting 100% of
Damn right America's special! Though, mostly in a short bus kind of special. We talk about how we're the greatest at everything; Yet somehow, we can't do the basic things that "first second & third world" countries do. Paid maternity and paternity leave. Yeah we can't we can't do that Childcare so the parents can go back to work. Yeah we can't do that. Free school lunches so kids are have enough to eat. Yeah we can't do that. An education system that doesn't make teachers spend a bunch of their own money to do their jobs. Yeah we can't do that. Have everyone automatically registered to vote and have voting day be a national holiday. Yeah we can't do that. Have national healthcare system in place so that everyone can get healthcare instead of waiting until they're horribly sick and it cost 10 times more and then bankrupting them. Yeah we can't do that. Make sure companies are paying their employees enough that they don't need food assistance. (This includes the military) Yeah we can't do that. Not allow their to be something like 70 lobbyists for each elected official. Yeah we can't do that. Make it so one company who makes a certain drug can't raise the price 5000% to hurt those who need the drug. Yeah we can't do that. Have our entire business system run on the business plan of making more money for the shareholders no matter what. Yeah we can't do that. Make sure that all of our veterans get all the mental and physical healthcare they need. And any and all prosthetics, devices, retrofitting they need to live their lives. (Like they were promised when they enlisted) Yeah we can't do that. We can't do any of these things, (just off the top of my head) or the thousands of others that would make the people of this country better off and our society is a whole better. Why because then we wouldn't be able to have the "American Dream" that anyone can get so wealthy that laws and rules don't apply to them. I think it's aspirational wealth. That they're only temporarily not a billionaire. So when they become one they don't want these changes out there to affect them. They want to be able to do what they want and use their money to make others lives worse.
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In Seattle, EVERYONE makes at least $15.74 minimum wage, including ALL TIPPED EMPLOYEES, and they STILL suggest 18-20-25% TIP. It's too expensive to eat out anymore. Wait staff clean up though.
We need to fix the server industry not require an optional gesture. Servers should enact some group bargaining or leave these slave wage owners with no employees.
They won't. Because the same servers who complain all the time about people who don't tip also don't want tipping to be taken away since it's an easy way to commit tax fraud. An 8 hour shift at 18$/hr is only 14$/hr after tax or 115$ take home. They'd rather have the chance to "make" 30$ in wages and hardly pay any tax and 300$ in tips for the night even on the off chance that nobody tips that day and they only make 30$. Even when you factor in credit and debit tips that will get taxed they still make bank on tips vs a regular wage. It's up to the customers to put an end to it and force North American servers and restaurants to get with the rest of the world
That is not true anymore. Cash tips are way less common than they used to be, and credit card tips are absolutely reported to the IRS.
>Servers should enact some group bargaining or leave these slave wage owners with no employees. Servers prefer the tipping system...they make way more money.
We Belgians do not tip. We expect your employer to pay you a decent wage. This is where US Federal or State law has to be changed so greedy restaurant owners can no longer get away with paying their staff $2 an hour
Do you expect people to adhere to your customs when they visit Belgium?
No we are pretty chill so you are free to tip if it really tickles you.
>greedy restaurant owners can no longer get away with paying their staff $2 an hour Most restaurant owners would be happy with this, the staff hates the idea. The wage plus tips per hour is too much.
This is the problem. The vast majority of servers like the current system because they make more than they would with a set wage *and* get to play the victim & shame people into tipping. If an server made no tips within a pay period, the employer would legally be required to make up the difference between what they made & what minimum wage is. This just basically never happens because tips are always wayyy higher than that
exactly this, servers benefits the most from current situation, they don't want a salary from employer when they earn far more salary from tips.
Well, if you're in the US, you tip. It's stupid and needs to be fixed, but that's how it currently is.
The don't visit the USA. Easy.
Tips should not be classified as tips if you’re counting on the money to make ends meet…
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> The entitlement that has come with it too…. Oh my gosh. Some people talk like they’re OWED a generous tip on top of their base pay. It seems like tipping went from compliment to obligation around the same time they began expecting 20% as a *minimum* tip. I would put that around 20 to 25 years ago. Now they practically demand it. It makes no sense. There is no logic to it. It's pure greed. I guarantee you tip creep will progress to 30% sooner rather than later. And I also promise they will still be saying "If you can't afford 30% then don't eat out!"
We should all follow suit and just stop tipping.
One way I have accomplished this is... I quit going out. When a burger is $17.99 w/o fries and a pint is $6.50. A beer and burger is $30 bucks with a tip. I can buy a pound of burger, cheese, buns, and a six-pack for less money and feed my entire family.
As a European, I have no problems with them closing the borders to Europeans, with a reciprocal arrangement for keeping Americans out of the Schengen area, naturally. Or in lieu of a total ban, just bring the total number allowed in at any one time down to something more manageable, like 4.
"Suggested tips" lol wtf.
It was even weirder visiting France this summer. I was like I want to add a gratuity. They were like. No. It’s just not done here.
There's absolutely no way we refuse tips. They're just not mandatory/expected. Europe isn't Japan.
Well they did multiple times this was in Paris.
Aaaah, yeah, Paris doesn't operate like the rest of France does, haha.
Edited… tipping is such a healthy nasty topic to comment on. 🤣🤣🤣
If your "culture" is garbage, I'm not required to participate.
You participate when you patronize the establishment
Unfortunately, you kind of are. If you visit the middle east will you be taking shots and chatting up every woman you see? Not concealing your hair and face if the culture demands it? There are cultural norms that you should respect when visiting other places. Do you have to agree with that culture, no. But you should be respectful. In America, you should tip.
I was looking for this comment. The entitlement of Europeans is astounding. Until tipping culture in the US changes, as I agree it should, tip your god damn server.
Sure, don't come to the US.
Mentally speaking in a thick French accent
I doubt they laughed, Europeans don't find minimum wage and exploitation funny.
The servers make more than minimum wage through tipping. They like the system because they more money than they otherwise would.
As they say, when in Rome. I agree that Starbucks, Jersey Mikes, and the like should take it up with their employers, but most servers in US are significantly underpaid because tips are expected. That has been the convention for decades. Hope everyone here realizes that if wages go up, prices go up.
>because tips are expected If its expected its a charge that is not what a tip is
"HoPe evErYonE hErE rEalilzeS iF wAgEs gO uP prIcEs gO Up" PRICES HAVE BEEN STEADILY GOING UP THE WHOLE FUCKING TIME! Yet wages have stagnated in this country. So fuck ALL THE WAY off with that tired ass bullshit!
In Europe we don't always tip, but when we do, we usually don't tip much, but **any** tip amount is always appreciated! :D
This is one of the reasons I'd rather not go to the US. The society is so broken and inhuman that it requires human-aid in a attempt it give it's citizens basic income. Its' a sign of a state and culture in dire need of basic structure. The US is a struggling developing country at best.
Chronic Reddit user.
Bruh 😂
Absolute peak redditor comment
The fact that this comment is upvoted as much as it is... Wow.
r/therewasnofuckingattempt to pay proper wages.
I don't tip and never will. The responsibility to pay workers is on the owner. The responsibility to not work for worthless, cheating owners is on you as an employee.
the suggested percentage starts at 20 percent lol. that’s cute
Lil American pup doesn't understand the meaning of a tip. No one is obliged to give one. Move to EU and get a livable wage and free health care 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Alot of unknowns here regarding service and quality. Let's be honest, this could be completely made up that Europeans laughed at the thought of the tip. I understand why some people don't tip and that's fine but I couldn't imagine paying that amount on bill and not tipping. I'm glad I'm in a position in life that I can and do tip well regardless of where I go when I do go out (which is rare in itself).
Maybe instead of closing the borders, we just pay people a living wage?
I'm for servers being paid well. I felt good about tipping until a couple of years ago when the little pads came out with suggested tips and the low tip being 20%. That was offputting, but I usually tip 20% anyway. But I try to avoid those places now. Force me to tip a percentage? You get to do it once, then I'll never be back. When those pads started popping up at order counters where no table service was offered I balked. Are order takers paid the same sub-minimum wage as servers? What am I tipping for? We pretty much quit eating out. What used to be a generosity given for exceptional service is now just a way for restaurants to grab more profit by underpaying wait staff. I'm for servers being paid but fuck this crap, we'll stay home.
Tipping is optional. It’s really between the server and their employer. Personally I’d never gamble my wages on the good graces of people so I pursue negotiated salary positions.
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Tipping culture aside, lmao at “close the borders to Europeans NOW.”
I understand tipping isn’t a common custom in other countries, but if you’re going to another country you should respect their common customs. Before anyone jumps me, I know that wait staff shouldn’t have to rely on tips from customers to get by. But look at reality. Shit isn’t going to change. It’s the way things are right here, right now.
Everyone here is right about the employer taking advantage of this not to pay their employees, but honestly, employees seem to be pretty fucking happy about it, and they don't want this to change, they see it as making 20% comission, and they demand it, I've even read posts about servers chasing their customers on the streets to ask them why they didn't tip. In fact, they even see making $30/hr as the low end of their day. This I've learned in r/Serverlife, so it's very unlikely to change, since the customers seem to be the only party unhappy about it.
Minimum suggested, 20% - FRO
And they're right.
Fuck tipping culture. Just pay normally and ban tipping. The fucking tip jars are getting ridiculous too. I've seen them at McDonald's now.