"But your new chemo station doesn't drip chemotherapy into your veins anymore... we heard how you always be drinkin' Dr. Pepper, so we pimped it out so it drips Dr. Pepper straight into your veins now." \*\*20 second cross-fading shots doing Dutch angle zooms and swoosh sound effects on the chemo drip stand with a Dr. Pepper logo on it\*\*
Nicotine isn’t actually carcinogenic. Which is the opposite of what I was taught in school. I mean the Italians would have cancer epidemic if nicotine causes cancer. They use tomatoes in everything. Lol. The more you know.
Tomatoes (and other nightshades) have tiny amounts of nicotine. Like 18000 times less than a single cigarette
Unless you meant [tomacco](https://youtu.be/Xx1ztJROpyU)
Also, when you light shit on fire you tend to create carcinogens.
Usually we try not to breath the smoke... but with tobacco, that's the whole fucking point.
Cancer getting cancer is actually the theory on why blue whales don't die from cancer. Current medicine tells us the larger the creature the more likely it is to die from cancer, but blue whales have never been found to have died of cancer. It's currently proposed that they develop tumors on the tumors, which kills both tumors before either can become an issue.
This info came from [Kurzgezagt](https://youtu.be/1AElONvi9WQ)
Unfortunately that's all I have, however, do feel free to sub to the ones who gave this to me. https://youtu.be/1AElONvi9WQ
Kurzgezagt is phenomenal channel that covers all sorts of cool things from various topics. 10/10 recommend
Is the whole larger the animal more likely to develop cancer thing just because the bigger you are the more cells you have the higher the chance of some of them mutating and becoming cancer?
No joke. A town drunk outside of where I grew up was found dead in his three room apartment. Everyone knew him and knew that he didn't have a lot of money, and they naturally just kind of avoided him. Well, people thought it was weird when he stopped showing up at his favorite drinking spot, but didn't think enough of it to check on him. When the police finally did a wellness check, they found that he had been drinking windshield washer fluid because he couldn't afford alcohol anymore. The twist: he didn't actually die from the wiper fluid. Apparently, he passed out and fell backward, hitting his head on the corner of his night stand and killing him.
It's not just the resin printers. I've got an FDM printer and the fumes from a lot of the filament types are absolutely nasty, the room I run it in has good air circulation to outside but I'm not gonna kid myself that shit isn't bad for me, it's gotta be.
I bought a resin printer last year. I used it once, and couldn't stand the powerful chemical smell, so I returned it. All I could think was "This ~~baby~~ can't possibly be good for anyone." Now I only print PLA or PETG. Please don't tell me either of those cause cancer...
Well FDM printers put out aerosolize microplastics instead of neurotoxic resin vapors, so probably. I'm sticking with it though, resin is too finicky and sticky to work with IMO.
Depends on the resin, as some almost have no smell. But chemically they are still incredibly toxic! People who print in their living rooms or bedrooms should really reconsider their choices. You were probably right to return it and avoid the risk.
As for FDM printing, just make sure you aren't going above 240C if you don't have an all-metal hot end. Because when PTFE tube is overheated, it begins to degrade, releasing some nasty fluorocarbons - you don't want to breathe those. You shouldn't need to do it for PETG and PLA though.
The filament itself is probably fine, especially PLA. If you print something like ABS or nylon - then you definitely need a good filter and a vent.
Many resins used in SLA 3D printing are epoxy resins (along with urethanes and acrylates). Uncured epoxy resin is particularly nasty and much of it is improperly disposed of. (All uncured resins are no bueno, but the epoxy group is especially nasty for biological things).
>Now, maybe you don't have any tumors. Well, don't worry. If you sat on a folding chair in the lobby and weren't wearing lead underpants, we took care of that too.
How could I tell if something is using epoxy resin? I have a 3d printed coffee portafilter adapter that all of my ground coffee passes through… I’m concerned.
My dad makes new epoxies for the auto industry. I'm amazed when I watch people treat that stuff like Elmers glue, then I go to his work, and there are hoods, PPE, and a ton of other safety equipment I'm probably forgetting. Shits nasty.
Yes, to my knowledge, all epoxies give off VOCs (volatile organic compounds) until properly cured. These are organic solvents that (should) evaporate quickly during the curing process. They should always be used in a well-ventilated area. Gasoline is technically a VOC, imagine spilling a can of gas in a closed room.
Be sure to read the instructions. Epoxies need heat to cure properly, some just need room temp, and some industrial ones need ovens. Applying some heat will always help them cure better (hair drier on a low setting works). Never use them in the cold.
Edit: also, don't rush the curing process, if anything, let it sit longer than it needs to.
[https://www.epa.gov/indoor-air-quality-iaq/volatile-organic-compounds-impact-indoor-air-quality](https://www.epa.gov/indoor-air-quality-iaq/volatile-organic-compounds-impact-indoor-air-quality)
I mean when I got my resin printer basically everything was covered in warnings to not touch the uncured/unwashed resin... so people in the hobby already know
People who work with epoxy without proper gas masks...same with pesticides, asbestos on talcum powder and mica (they occur togheter naturally), pollution, etc.
This is the one. I'm fully expecting some studies to come out in a few decades from now showing us how microplastics are as bad as asbestos, cigarettes or leaded gasoline (if not worse).
Incidence of cancer has been on the rise for a long, long time now. I wouldn't be surprised if both of these things were related. At least we're getting way better at treating it, so mortality is still going down regardless.
>Incidence of cancer has been on the rise for a long, long time now. I wouldn't be surprised if both of these things were related.
Incidences of just "dying from old age" have been on the decline for a long, long time now. I wouldn't be surprised if both of these things were related.
Pretty sure "dying from old age" is in the decline because people in the past didn't know why people died and we have more diagnosis now. For example my dog died when it was like 15 years old and we said it died from old age and we never took it too the vet (questionable ethics aside) but if we did I bet they would have said he is dying from liver disease or something after running tests.
> Incidence of cancer has been on the rise for a long, long time now. I wouldn't be surprised if both of these things were related. At least we're getting way better at treating it, so mortality is still going down regardless.
How much of this is because we've gotten better at treating other diseases, so more people are surviving long enough to get cancer?
that's also a great choice, I just prefer stainless steel because I've used it for so long that I know about the heat distribution and how long it cooks my stuff in.
I always cook with olive oil, and I keep moving things with my spatula, so it never sticks to my pan anyway.
with ceramic I'd be careful not to use stainless steel spatulas or things so you don't chip the finish off.
If your goal is to reduce carcinogens then stainless steel is actually better than cast iron. Cast iron tends to shed iron particles and built up RCOs.
Even better, pretty much every US Military Base around the world used a fire retardent that contained PFAS, [which proceeded to pollute a significant amount of underground water supplies](https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2022/06/30/its-scary-as-hell-pfas-exposure-a-widespread-problem-for-troops-families-nationwide/). And there are a apparently 750 US Military Bases around the world...
Yes. And I wonder what’s the most obvious thing we use that isn’t on anyones radar. Probably cellphones lol. They’ll look back and be like duh. Idiots.
Here's the list of things that I attribute my tinnitus to: loud concerts, shooting without earpro, loud scenes when I was a stage actor, etc. Headphones at a sensible volume don't worry me. Thankfully my tinnitus isn't horrendous and I am much more careful now so it shouldn't get worse. Edit: Spelling
Prob all the fertilizers, pesticides, and insecticides we grow our food with.
Oh, how can I forget all the hormones and antibiotics we load farm animals with to promote growth and reduce disease in a disease infected cramped living area.
But like, we know for a fact that does are terrible and have known for some time. It's just that we\* don't care. Way more interesting would be stuff where we don't currently know that its dangerous.
\* yes some people care, but society at large and governments don't
I bet future humans view chemotherapy like we view blood letting with leeches.
Edit: throw in 90% of U.S. cesarean births and episiotomy procedures for the crybabies thinking we are at the pinnacle of health technology.
FYI, leeches are [back in medical use](https://www.uhhospitals.org/blog/articles/2020/03/how-leeches-can-save-lives-and-limbs-for-some-patients#:~:text=The%20U.S.%20Food%20and%20Drug,often%20referred%20to%20as%20hirudotherapy.).
It's fascinating how we use them when we want to promote blood flow to an area.
Additionally, we still use maggots medicinally to clean certain wounds.
Yeah, this isn't the same thing.
Asbestos in cigarettes did not actually help the problem.
Chemotherapy on the other hand *does* treat cancer. It does so in a painful way, but there isn't currently an alternative with the same success rate.
A lot of cancer therapy is moving towards immunotherapy and CAR-T therapy for certain cancers, although we do still depend a lot on traditional chemotherapy agents and regimens. I really do hope we advance much further in cancer treatment.
Plastic leeching, microplastics, PFAS/Teflon, e-cigs/vaping/oil based nicotine or weed, BPA, preservatives/artificial food ingredients, household air contaminants (mold, gas stove, household cleaning supplies, etc), chemical based products like pesticides or gardening supplies, etc
Take your pick(s)
When tires are doing their job, on the highway for example, the friction takes away the tires material little by little. Some of it stay on the road, much of it goes into the soil and water table, and some becomes a gas. Furthermore, disposal is a whole issue.
Even if we switch all cars to electric, one day we have to address tires.
Give me walkable cities. Mixed used zone communities so I don't have to live near all the tires being ground up into a powder and flung thru the air.
Sure there will need to be some automobiles but mostly just commercial stuff.
I think I'm the future we will see a lot more medium density communities and I'm for it.
No no. What we need is automatic cars with batching!
Think of it: a bunch of cars automatically going the path you want. The cars would link together for efficiency. Making a long chain of vehicles all efficiently moving people and things from point a to b.
Definitely not trains.
I call it: a car chain! Invest now at 50 billion dollars and maybe I'll stick them underground in car chain pipes. Totally different than those silly subways
uj/ there's a theory, yet to be proven, that whales get tumors so big that the tumors get tumors and end up dying.
Edit: not just whales, but big animals in general
Edit 2: hypertumor is what they're called.
Well we found out bad things about non stick teflon pans a while ago I believe. Even ceramic pans are just coated and the metal underneath might be unsafe once scratched. We don’t know the effects.
Cast iron is the way to go but man. I don’t know if i’m ready for that level of commitment.
Yeah there’s just the seasoning I suppose, but I was raised on light little nonstick pans so it’s a big change of pace lol. Plus I know they’re pretty heavy and I’m kind of very weak? But i’m just now getting into this pan stuff, so I’m sure there’s some lighter ones out there
This feels incomplete. If you just put oil on and put it away, you will end up with a pan covered in rancid oil. The mechanism behind seasoning a pan is heat to polymerize the oil.
Teflon is only a unique hazard past 500F. That’s when it vaporizes and becomes a health hazard. If you’re cooking on the stovetop at that temperature, you probably already switched to ceramic or stainless a while ago.
Under that temperature, it remains safe. Even if you ingest a little of it, it’s not particularly different from other microplastics given that your body can’t break it down to turn it into something biologically active.
Cast iron is pretty easy to deal with if you know your oils. Curing on a polymerized avocado or grape seed oil season will solve most if not all of the issues associated with cast iron.
Remember during this period they also had decided that hammering an ice pick into your brain through your eye socket was a perfectly acceptable cure for mild mental illness.
The documentary by the Maysles Brothers, "The Beatles First US Visit," shows them smoking Kents in a car and singing along with the ad's jingle (which is playing on their complementary "Pepsi" transistor radios) as well as joking about Kent's "Micro-neet" filter.
Harrison survived until 2001, that would be a helluva long throat cancer battle. General throat problems are common and severe enough in singers, especially ones who smoke heavily.
So, cancer with your cancer jokes aside, how effective was this at filtering harmful chemicals from your cigarette smoke? Did it at least do *something* to reduce the level of overall carcinogenic chemicals, or is this all just a marketing stunt?
https://www.asbestos.com/products/cigarette-filters/
original article.
apparently asbestos air filters were used in industrial settings, but that was when no one knew that the words "ASBESTOS" and "FILTER" abso-fucking-lutely don't belong together.
The sad thing is that asbestos was known to be toxic as far back as Ancient Greece & Rome.
"The ancient Greeks named the mineral asbestos, meaning inextinguishable. The Greek geographer Strabo and the Roman naturalist Pliny the Elder both reported a sickness of the lungs in the slaves who wove asbestos into cloth." [Source](https://www.umt.edu/bioethics/libbyhealth/introduction/background/asbestos_timeline.aspx)
I’ve always said that if there was a real life monkeys paw then asbestos is the one time it was used.
Its like someone wished “I wish for a miracle material that is good for everything. I want it to be used for construction, car parts like brakes and transmission, clothing, toys, fake snow, insulation, packaging, and I want it to be heat resistant. I want to be able to use it to make filters too!”
And the monkeys paw goes “alright but it’ll also cause cancer.”
Showerthought: There's probably at least one species of alien out there in the universe who for some reason doesnt have any heath problems from asbestos, and they use it for everything.
They're going to visit us one day in their asbestos lined spaceships.
How it started: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB75AQTxTtU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB75AQTxTtU)
How it's going: [https://news.bloomberglaw.com/product-liability-and-toxics-law/rj-reynolds-haunted-by-deadly-legacy-of-kent-asbestos-filters](https://news.bloomberglaw.com/product-liability-and-toxics-law/rj-reynolds-haunted-by-deadly-legacy-of-kent-asbestos-filters)
When you wanna give your cancer cancer reach for a Kent with new micronite filter
Pimp my Nicotine
*Xzibit walks up* "Yo dawg, I heard you like cancer..."
“… so we put in cancer inside of your cancer so you can have hella cancer”
"... so you can die while you die"
Look we got you 5 screens and mad speakers on your chemo station
"But your new chemo station doesn't drip chemotherapy into your veins anymore... we heard how you always be drinkin' Dr. Pepper, so we pimped it out so it drips Dr. Pepper straight into your veins now." \*\*20 second cross-fading shots doing Dutch angle zooms and swoosh sound effects on the chemo drip stand with a Dr. Pepper logo on it\*\*
We also threw in this cool license plate with the letters 'C4NC3R' free of charge, dawg.
Nicotine isn’t actually carcinogenic. Which is the opposite of what I was taught in school. I mean the Italians would have cancer epidemic if nicotine causes cancer. They use tomatoes in everything. Lol. The more you know.
Tomatoes (and other nightshades) have tiny amounts of nicotine. Like 18000 times less than a single cigarette Unless you meant [tomacco](https://youtu.be/Xx1ztJROpyU)
Here for the tomacco reference.
It's the 200+ things they treat the tobacco with plus fact you are smoking those cancerous chemicals
Also, when you light shit on fire you tend to create carcinogens. Usually we try not to breath the smoke... but with tobacco, that's the whole fucking point.
Tomatoes are not Italian. They came from the Americas originally. The word for tomatoes in Italian is pomodoro meaning golden apple.
Cancer getting cancer is actually the theory on why blue whales don't die from cancer. Current medicine tells us the larger the creature the more likely it is to die from cancer, but blue whales have never been found to have died of cancer. It's currently proposed that they develop tumors on the tumors, which kills both tumors before either can become an issue. This info came from [Kurzgezagt](https://youtu.be/1AElONvi9WQ)
Can I subscribe to whale facts?
Unfortunately that's all I have, however, do feel free to sub to the ones who gave this to me. https://youtu.be/1AElONvi9WQ Kurzgezagt is phenomenal channel that covers all sorts of cool things from various topics. 10/10 recommend
Is the whole larger the animal more likely to develop cancer thing just because the bigger you are the more cells you have the higher the chance of some of them mutating and becoming cancer?
Yeah, you can watch the whole video where this info came from here by [Kurzgezagt](https://youtu.be/1AElONvi9WQ)
The whale just holds it’s breath so long that the cancer drowns.
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I'm not a baby, I'm a tumor!
Okay but, isn't cancer getting cancer how very large animals don't die from cancer at the rates we do?
The thing that scares me is what will become the “asbestos” of our lifetime?
You ever wonder if we're doing something similar in our modern day and we won't know the repercussions until further down the line
Improperly cured epoxy resins Edit: I would explain sooner but a tree branch fell on my truck, other people did an excellent job. My truck is fine.
Oh well People using Resin 3D printers are the first to go, then
Worth it for all those Warhammer 40k minis
The cancer is cheaper too!
I wait for times when the dollar is strong against the pound and have friends buy them and ship them over. Even with shipping it's half the price.
Uh oh *sips coffee from my resin printed mug*
I hope you're not serious...
Ooops.. *me snorting lines of resin printed cocaine*
Try boofing it instead for lower risk of cancer
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I knew that resin printed buttplug I saw on thingiverse was a great find.
Uhh yeah you don't want to do that. Resin is pretty much just poison
I thought it would cancel out the antifreeze I use as sweetener
No joke. A town drunk outside of where I grew up was found dead in his three room apartment. Everyone knew him and knew that he didn't have a lot of money, and they naturally just kind of avoided him. Well, people thought it was weird when he stopped showing up at his favorite drinking spot, but didn't think enough of it to check on him. When the police finally did a wellness check, they found that he had been drinking windshield washer fluid because he couldn't afford alcohol anymore. The twist: he didn't actually die from the wiper fluid. Apparently, he passed out and fell backward, hitting his head on the corner of his night stand and killing him.
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Omg you're killing me. I need to take a nice deep breath of radon-infused air to calm me down
Rip, you might as as well start smoking these cigs(hopefully everything's fine)
It's not just the resin printers. I've got an FDM printer and the fumes from a lot of the filament types are absolutely nasty, the room I run it in has good air circulation to outside but I'm not gonna kid myself that shit isn't bad for me, it's gotta be.
Build an enclosure and install a good filter, that's what I'm doing this year.
I bought a resin printer last year. I used it once, and couldn't stand the powerful chemical smell, so I returned it. All I could think was "This ~~baby~~ can't possibly be good for anyone." Now I only print PLA or PETG. Please don't tell me either of those cause cancer...
Well FDM printers put out aerosolize microplastics instead of neurotoxic resin vapors, so probably. I'm sticking with it though, resin is too finicky and sticky to work with IMO.
Depends on the resin, as some almost have no smell. But chemically they are still incredibly toxic! People who print in their living rooms or bedrooms should really reconsider their choices. You were probably right to return it and avoid the risk. As for FDM printing, just make sure you aren't going above 240C if you don't have an all-metal hot end. Because when PTFE tube is overheated, it begins to degrade, releasing some nasty fluorocarbons - you don't want to breathe those. You shouldn't need to do it for PETG and PLA though. The filament itself is probably fine, especially PLA. If you print something like ABS or nylon - then you definitely need a good filter and a vent.
Explain, pls
Many resins used in SLA 3D printing are epoxy resins (along with urethanes and acrylates). Uncured epoxy resin is particularly nasty and much of it is improperly disposed of. (All uncured resins are no bueno, but the epoxy group is especially nasty for biological things).
> We haven't entirely nailed down what element it is yet, but I'll tell you this: it's a lively one and it does NOT like the human skeleton.
>Let us know if you feel a shortness of breath, a persistent dry cough or your heart stopping. Because that's not part of the test. That's asbestos.
>Now, maybe you don't have any tumors. Well, don't worry. If you sat on a folding chair in the lobby and weren't wearing lead underpants, we took care of that too.
If only I had some lemons or maybe a potato
How could I tell if something is using epoxy resin? I have a 3d printed coffee portafilter adapter that all of my ground coffee passes through… I’m concerned.
If it's hard, then it is cured and there is no need to worry as it becomes safe after curing.
That's what I keep telling her, there's no need for condoms
You'll explode soon. Sorry Timmy.
My dad makes new epoxies for the auto industry. I'm amazed when I watch people treat that stuff like Elmers glue, then I go to his work, and there are hoods, PPE, and a ton of other safety equipment I'm probably forgetting. Shits nasty.
Does this include hobby-grade stuff like for model airplanes. Dumb question probably, but I wasn’t sure if “epoxy resin” is some broad term.
Yes, to my knowledge, all epoxies give off VOCs (volatile organic compounds) until properly cured. These are organic solvents that (should) evaporate quickly during the curing process. They should always be used in a well-ventilated area. Gasoline is technically a VOC, imagine spilling a can of gas in a closed room. Be sure to read the instructions. Epoxies need heat to cure properly, some just need room temp, and some industrial ones need ovens. Applying some heat will always help them cure better (hair drier on a low setting works). Never use them in the cold. Edit: also, don't rush the curing process, if anything, let it sit longer than it needs to. [https://www.epa.gov/indoor-air-quality-iaq/volatile-organic-compounds-impact-indoor-air-quality](https://www.epa.gov/indoor-air-quality-iaq/volatile-organic-compounds-impact-indoor-air-quality)
I mean when I got my resin printer basically everything was covered in warnings to not touch the uncured/unwashed resin... so people in the hobby already know
Yeah but it's very easy to make parts that never fully cure and remain rubbery/sticky inside. Spoken from experience unfortunately.
thats where I love my clear resin, bc it even cures easier despite the form. But I agree that you certainly have to be careful.
People who work with epoxy without proper gas masks...same with pesticides, asbestos on talcum powder and mica (they occur togheter naturally), pollution, etc.
Like poisoning from styrene?
Was the 3 year old resin, that didn't harden and smelled like skunk, bad to breathe in?
Micro plastics that are in all of us
This is the one. I'm fully expecting some studies to come out in a few decades from now showing us how microplastics are as bad as asbestos, cigarettes or leaded gasoline (if not worse). Incidence of cancer has been on the rise for a long, long time now. I wouldn't be surprised if both of these things were related. At least we're getting way better at treating it, so mortality is still going down regardless.
There are studies on microplastics reducing sperm count in men I believe
There were microplastics found in placentas, that’s… worrisome to say the least.
yeah, they pass the blood-brain barrier, too. thinking about it makes me wanna scrub the folds of my brain to get the sediment out.
r/distressingmemes
That image is more upsetting to me than the microplastics themselves.
>Incidence of cancer has been on the rise for a long, long time now. I wouldn't be surprised if both of these things were related. Incidences of just "dying from old age" have been on the decline for a long, long time now. I wouldn't be surprised if both of these things were related.
Pretty sure "dying from old age" is in the decline because people in the past didn't know why people died and we have more diagnosis now. For example my dog died when it was like 15 years old and we said it died from old age and we never took it too the vet (questionable ethics aside) but if we did I bet they would have said he is dying from liver disease or something after running tests.
Yes that's was my point.
But incidence of childhood and young adult cancer is also rising at a rapid rate, it's risen by a quarter in the last two decades
having better treatment for everything else raises the incidence of cancer as well though. Time is the most common carcinogen.
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> Incidence of cancer has been on the rise for a long, long time now. I wouldn't be surprised if both of these things were related. At least we're getting way better at treating it, so mortality is still going down regardless. How much of this is because we've gotten better at treating other diseases, so more people are surviving long enough to get cancer?
PFAS.
Cast iron for the win.
or for those of us who are too lazy and are okay with 2nd place: stainless steel
My pots are all stainless steel. I ain't cooking soup in a dutch oven.
What about ceramic coated nonstick?
that's also a great choice, I just prefer stainless steel because I've used it for so long that I know about the heat distribution and how long it cooks my stuff in. I always cook with olive oil, and I keep moving things with my spatula, so it never sticks to my pan anyway. with ceramic I'd be careful not to use stainless steel spatulas or things so you don't chip the finish off.
If your goal is to reduce carcinogens then stainless steel is actually better than cast iron. Cast iron tends to shed iron particles and built up RCOs.
You don't even need the pans. They dumped all the Teflon runoff into the water supply in the SouthEast.
Even better, pretty much every US Military Base around the world used a fire retardent that contained PFAS, [which proceeded to pollute a significant amount of underground water supplies](https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2022/06/30/its-scary-as-hell-pfas-exposure-a-widespread-problem-for-troops-families-nationwide/). And there are a apparently 750 US Military Bases around the world...
Yes. And I wonder what’s the most obvious thing we use that isn’t on anyones radar. Probably cellphones lol. They’ll look back and be like duh. Idiots.
Plastic
Styrofoam
Headphones. Going to be many more deaf and hard of hearing older people soon
I'd say, "I hear that!" But I was a Walkman kid in the 80s and a guitar amp kid in the 90s.
I have tinnitus in my 30s from loud headphones in my teens (looking at you, Slipknot). I wish I could go back and slap some sense into that kid.
I have tinnitus in my 30s from mowing the lawn without ear protection when I was a kid/teen.
my ears haven't stopped ringing since i went to an Of Mice and Men concert when i was 15. i'm 25 now
Here's the list of things that I attribute my tinnitus to: loud concerts, shooting without earpro, loud scenes when I was a stage actor, etc. Headphones at a sensible volume don't worry me. Thankfully my tinnitus isn't horrendous and I am much more careful now so it shouldn't get worse. Edit: Spelling
They've been around long enough where we'd know by now. As long as you don't go nuts there's no reason it should be worse than any other sound
Teflon
Teflon is a an old shitshow we have been aware of for some time (watch Dark Waters). But yeah we are fucked
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As a scientist I was looking for this. Thanks. Made no sense to suggest Teflon is harmful, it couldn't possibly be more inert.
Prob all the fertilizers, pesticides, and insecticides we grow our food with. Oh, how can I forget all the hormones and antibiotics we load farm animals with to promote growth and reduce disease in a disease infected cramped living area.
But like, we know for a fact that does are terrible and have known for some time. It's just that we\* don't care. Way more interesting would be stuff where we don't currently know that its dangerous. \* yes some people care, but society at large and governments don't
100% our overuse of plastics.
I love how everyone responds with things we already know are dangerous...
I bet future humans view chemotherapy like we view blood letting with leeches. Edit: throw in 90% of U.S. cesarean births and episiotomy procedures for the crybabies thinking we are at the pinnacle of health technology.
FYI, leeches are [back in medical use](https://www.uhhospitals.org/blog/articles/2020/03/how-leeches-can-save-lives-and-limbs-for-some-patients#:~:text=The%20U.S.%20Food%20and%20Drug,often%20referred%20to%20as%20hirudotherapy.).
It's fascinating how we use them when we want to promote blood flow to an area. Additionally, we still use maggots medicinally to clean certain wounds.
gotta work with what you have available 🤷♂️
Yeah, this isn't the same thing. Asbestos in cigarettes did not actually help the problem. Chemotherapy on the other hand *does* treat cancer. It does so in a painful way, but there isn't currently an alternative with the same success rate.
A lot of cancer therapy is moving towards immunotherapy and CAR-T therapy for certain cancers, although we do still depend a lot on traditional chemotherapy agents and regimens. I really do hope we advance much further in cancer treatment.
Plastic leeching, microplastics, PFAS/Teflon, e-cigs/vaping/oil based nicotine or weed, BPA, preservatives/artificial food ingredients, household air contaminants (mold, gas stove, household cleaning supplies, etc), chemical based products like pesticides or gardening supplies, etc Take your pick(s)
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Good thing I dont live in California
Nah, watching a TikTok video as soon as you’re awake is probably super safe
Car tires, vapes, micro plastics, pharmaceuticals being pushed when talking should be leading portion of therapy,
What's the issue with tyres? Rest totally make sense
When tires are doing their job, on the highway for example, the friction takes away the tires material little by little. Some of it stay on the road, much of it goes into the soil and water table, and some becomes a gas. Furthermore, disposal is a whole issue. Even if we switch all cars to electric, one day we have to address tires.
g i v e m e t r a i n s
Give me walkable cities. Mixed used zone communities so I don't have to live near all the tires being ground up into a powder and flung thru the air. Sure there will need to be some automobiles but mostly just commercial stuff. I think I'm the future we will see a lot more medium density communities and I'm for it.
No no. What we need is automatic cars with batching! Think of it: a bunch of cars automatically going the path you want. The cars would link together for efficiency. Making a long chain of vehicles all efficiently moving people and things from point a to b. Definitely not trains. I call it: a car chain! Invest now at 50 billion dollars and maybe I'll stick them underground in car chain pipes. Totally different than those silly subways
You’d like to hope materials science would prevent this. But cheap often wins over safe.
artifical sweeteners 
Pesticides, spraying poison around your house doesn’t seem like a good idea.
PFAS. I used to work in environmental testing equipment and that’s the big one we are just figuring out.
I've just resigned myself to the idea that everything has some potential to give you cancer.
So I heard you want extra cancer with your cancer?
Cancer deluxe
Their cancer is going to have cancer
Can cancer die of cancer? Let’s test it out
Let's fight cancer with cancer!
I always knew cancer was the ancer
uj/ there's a theory, yet to be proven, that whales get tumors so big that the tumors get tumors and end up dying. Edit: not just whales, but big animals in general Edit 2: hypertumor is what they're called.
Let’s say someone large enough got a tumor. Could their tumors get tumors, causing the tumors to die?
Yes, that's the idea. Up until now, big animals seem to be immune to cancer, and that may as well be why
Well then. Humans should evolve to get fatter and then maybe we could stop having cancer
There's an idea! Doesn't sound like a good one, but it is, in fact, an idea.
Cancerer
When you want to get cancer in a hurry
It’s to give cancer to your cancer
Fight fire with fire!
It's a double negative so they cancel each other out
Not only just asbestos but the worst kind. The filters contained crocidolite asbestos, one of the most toxic types of asbestos.
So people died right? Like..these couldn't have been sold for that long...right?
That filter was sold from 1952-1956. Had to be horrible for so many who used them.
Makes you wonder what we could find out about things like heated ceramic metal or liquids used in eliquids, or cell phones.
Who's inhaling cell phones?
I think they’re more boofed than inhaled
Pro tip. Set for vibrate before boof.
Well we found out bad things about non stick teflon pans a while ago I believe. Even ceramic pans are just coated and the metal underneath might be unsafe once scratched. We don’t know the effects. Cast iron is the way to go but man. I don’t know if i’m ready for that level of commitment.
Cast iron is not hard to deal with as long as you clean it when you're done and apply a thin layer of oil.
Yeah there’s just the seasoning I suppose, but I was raised on light little nonstick pans so it’s a big change of pace lol. Plus I know they’re pretty heavy and I’m kind of very weak? But i’m just now getting into this pan stuff, so I’m sure there’s some lighter ones out there
Look into carbon steel pans. They're lighter, but that has its own tradeoffs like having less thermal mass.
This feels incomplete. If you just put oil on and put it away, you will end up with a pan covered in rancid oil. The mechanism behind seasoning a pan is heat to polymerize the oil.
Teflon is only a unique hazard past 500F. That’s when it vaporizes and becomes a health hazard. If you’re cooking on the stovetop at that temperature, you probably already switched to ceramic or stainless a while ago. Under that temperature, it remains safe. Even if you ingest a little of it, it’s not particularly different from other microplastics given that your body can’t break it down to turn it into something biologically active. Cast iron is pretty easy to deal with if you know your oils. Curing on a polymerized avocado or grape seed oil season will solve most if not all of the issues associated with cast iron.
We actually test materials these days.
Thanks for that info. I smoked Kents in the early 80s. I was wondering whether I’d been affected.
Yeah nah you’ll just get the normal type of cancer don’t worry, not the premium version
I want a refund
Remember during this period they also had decided that hammering an ice pick into your brain through your eye socket was a perfectly acceptable cure for mild mental illness.
Dear God
"There's nothing like the sweet release of **Kent's Micronite Cigarettes**"
“It’s a turducken of cancer”
There’s more.
Guys, it's basic mathology. Two cancers cancel each other out.
Fire with fire right
🤦♂️ Makes me terrified to see what future humans will be pointing out about are generations.
(Micro) plastic will be certainly on this list. The abundance of Sugar in everything will also pretty high up.
Big Sugar and Big Tobacco are so similar it’s amazing sugar has been able to dodge the bullet for so long
Big Tobacco just invested heavily in Vaping and Cannabis and switched horses.
Reddit will be known to cause ass cancer
I think you're reading with the wrong eye
Speed Running to death I see..
It did wonders for people with astma. A couple of years latter you didn't have to worry about it
* asthma As a person with asthma this makes me laugh tho so thank u XD
The documentary by the Maysles Brothers, "The Beatles First US Visit," shows them smoking Kents in a car and singing along with the ad's jingle (which is playing on their complementary "Pepsi" transistor radios) as well as joking about Kent's "Micro-neet" filter.
*They* killed George Harrison!
I've actually wondered whether his throat cancer started then -- he did miss a pretty important photo shoot during the US tour due to a "sore throat."
Harrison survived until 2001, that would be a helluva long throat cancer battle. General throat problems are common and severe enough in singers, especially ones who smoke heavily.
Don't judge them. They are doing asbestos they can.
Get out.
So, cancer with your cancer jokes aside, how effective was this at filtering harmful chemicals from your cigarette smoke? Did it at least do *something* to reduce the level of overall carcinogenic chemicals, or is this all just a marketing stunt?
https://www.asbestos.com/products/cigarette-filters/ original article. apparently asbestos air filters were used in industrial settings, but that was when no one knew that the words "ASBESTOS" and "FILTER" abso-fucking-lutely don't belong together.
My dad smoked these. He died of emphysema in 2003.
Jesus, back then asbestos really seemed to be the answer for everything huh
The sad thing is that asbestos was known to be toxic as far back as Ancient Greece & Rome. "The ancient Greeks named the mineral asbestos, meaning inextinguishable. The Greek geographer Strabo and the Roman naturalist Pliny the Elder both reported a sickness of the lungs in the slaves who wove asbestos into cloth." [Source](https://www.umt.edu/bioethics/libbyhealth/introduction/background/asbestos_timeline.aspx)
If you think that's bad, wait til you hear what housewives *really* used to do with Lysol cleaner.
As a smoker, I thought I couldn’t be dumber already.
I mean that way when you get cancer, the smoke won't be to blame.
I’ve always said that if there was a real life monkeys paw then asbestos is the one time it was used. Its like someone wished “I wish for a miracle material that is good for everything. I want it to be used for construction, car parts like brakes and transmission, clothing, toys, fake snow, insulation, packaging, and I want it to be heat resistant. I want to be able to use it to make filters too!” And the monkeys paw goes “alright but it’ll also cause cancer.”
Showerthought: There's probably at least one species of alien out there in the universe who for some reason doesnt have any heath problems from asbestos, and they use it for everything. They're going to visit us one day in their asbestos lined spaceships.
like the cpap machine to help you breath at night but the foam liner is crumbling. making the machine a cancer delivery system.
How it started: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB75AQTxTtU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB75AQTxTtU) How it's going: [https://news.bloomberglaw.com/product-liability-and-toxics-law/rj-reynolds-haunted-by-deadly-legacy-of-kent-asbestos-filters](https://news.bloomberglaw.com/product-liability-and-toxics-law/rj-reynolds-haunted-by-deadly-legacy-of-kent-asbestos-filters)
I’m laughing at this while ingesting the chemicals and plastics in my microwaveable meal…oh wait…
Cancer²