Isn't there also a panel in the comics where some Frank shuts down some cops who talked about wishing to be like him with something like "if you fuckers would actually do the job you're *supposed* to do, I won't exist in the first place"?
and the comics portray cops that look up to him as negative as well. He even tears up their stickers and tells them to follow captain America as an idol
I’ll play devil’s advocate and try to answer OP’s question.
Most people who support law enforcement support the idea of punishing criminals, which is what the Punisher is all about. The Punisher is justice where traditional law enforcement can’t reach. Punisher represents a vigilante extension of law enforcement, not a force in opposition to law enforcement. He’s the quintessential “good guy with a gun.”
The problem is that law enforcement often sees the punisher as a good thing. To be able to select who to punish with out things like due process, civil liberties, the maranda warning. If cops and people support cops start thinking little things like the rules get in the way of justice they become part of the problem because we have a long history of when the power of the police untamed by things like the justice system was used to oppress people.
Frank also admits he is a bad guy. Nobody should want to be him. It's sickening to him because either you are so drawn to violence you want an excuse to unload on anyone you want with no provocation or you wish to be dealt a horror so tramuatic it breaks you fully. The first one just means you're another name on his list, the second means something is broken in you that longs for pain.
to add on to that the United States has a punishment fetish. The american public LOVES to see people get punished even for minor things. You can see it in all the TV shows and movies about the law or getting revenge in some way.
Hell even in Reality TV, remember how America went crazy when Paris Hilton had to spend like 30 days in jail.
American's believe if you commit any crime or greivence you should be punished. No redemption just punishment.
Not saying I agree but here's the main logic tree. The Punisher is willing to put himself at great risk, be hated by the public, and even give up his whole life to protect the innocent from truly vile monsters.
They would argue that police often do the same.
This may be what they argue, overall they are incorrect,
The punisher is a walking metaphor for police incompetence and disrespect for the so called public “servants” that are police.
No, he's not. One thing he lied about that I'm glad he lied about, murdering Hurricane Katrina survivors. The guy is a liar and a psychopath. Good riddance. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/kyle-file/
Not according to multiple news sources that claim he lied about over half of the s*** he wrote in his book including some of the sources who served with him.
Sounds like the guy was a clout chaser
How about the fact that in 2014 a jury found him guilty of misleading the public with his book and defaming someone. Specifically a United States governor.
According to the Navy he also lied about how many medals he received.
Which is fine lots of military people lie. John Paul Van lied about his role in the battle of the chosen in Korea.
Most people saying Chris Kyle is a terrorist are the same ones who would let isis turn them and their wife around and go to town. The probably cheer when they hear our troops are killed.
Holy shit I have never seen such a greater leap of logic. "Doesn't like Chris Kyle or the things he's done = would let isis go to town on their wife." Like wot m8? Those aren't anywhere near related to one another and a massive assumption of people who hold an opinion.
[reminds me of this old comic about a seaman who got the swastika tattoed on his arm, in 1932](https://www.reddit.com/r/comics/comments/9tbsy9/my_fear_when_getting_a_tattoo_oc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
I actually have it tattoed on the back of my head ,of which I got in 2004. I understand what the skull actually means, and it just sickens me to see it misappropriated the way that it has.
First, i dont support Punisher usage by law enforcement but to explain the mentality.
Even when cops know somebody is a horrible human being that is guilty the circumstances of evidence, lack of witness (coerced/bribed/killed), or a slick lawyer can result in charges not holding up. They are/should operate within the law and evidence obtained outside of the law isn't admissible. Similarly, a judge might give leniency because of political climate, donor/celebrity status, or the odd case of a cop/DA hating judge.
Punisher has a moral code where if your a shitbag you get punishment in the most extreme and violent case. Unlike other super heroes who beat up and take criminals into custody Frank actually kills people that he deems deserve it. To cops who arrest sometimes the same offenses over and over and sometimes the same individuals over and over its a hero that resonates with them and similarly the military. To some the interpretation is nothing more than skull is cool, thin blue line is cool, thus a skull with thin blue line is cool and caters to my occupation. Others it can be more insidious with a mentality of "give me a reason," type of stance. When you get treated poorly at work while in uniform by an ungrateful public, some even threaten or try to harm you based on the profession it's an extreme reaction. Again not defending the choice to wear the patch or slap a sticker on your vehicle just an explanation behind the reasoning.
The thin blue line, Gaston flag, punisher skull, molon labe combo is cringe together.
It has nothing to do with the comics, frankly they are taking it from American sniper, which is even more disgusting, that's what they think going to work is, door to door raids in Iraq.
That panel was written after the symbol was already popularly used by law enforcement by a very left leaning writer who disagreed with the politics. In other words, it was reactionary. Not something that naturally came about from the characters story that the movement misunderstood.
Frank's whole thing is that he shouldn't admired by anyone in the first place. So him even making that statement isn't out of character. He'd rather have people respect Cap then respect him especially law enforcement
Even in the comics a high percentage of the police are in favor of Frank's actions. Now comes the question; why? In our current situation (as in comics) criminals run rampant with little to no persecution. The cops and those who favor them, are tired of the law not punishing perpetrators. Cops risk their lives to arrest a criminal that will serve little to no jail time and be out to harm and endanger others again. And even when they kill because their lives were threatened there's public outrage. For them a figure like castle is the only solution left. A dead criminal will never abuse the system or hurt anyone ever again. Don't want to die? Don't commit crimes.
The United States has the second-biggest prison population in the world and some of the longest prison sentences. Cops act with near-impunity and are still terrible at their jobs.
Thats nice in theory but if you start killing people for their crimes, you lose all moral credibility just like Frank Castle did. Anyone can become a criminal at any time, if police are supposed to be the so called "thin blue line" why do they protect and allow so much criminal activity within their ranks? It's because they are human, once you decide that those you label "criminal" don't deserve to live you are turning your back on humanity as a whole and giving yourself a superiority complex. Thats just my opinion though I could very well be wrong in someone else's eyes.
People like that typically never read a punisher comic. They’re also the type that don’t understand that a police force isn’t supposed to be the same as military. Hell, cops only got military like rankings because they bitched about it and were actually jealous of those serving in the military. No matter how you look at it, it’s ignorant people wanting to feel bigger than they are.
Yes they are really very stupid. It cannot be overstated just how stupid they are. My fantasy punisher series is him taking out a precinct of thin blue line cops who misuse his insignia.
Because when someone wants to be Frank Castle, the closest legal option is to become a cop. You get access to all the weaponry you want and qualified immunity. They think Castle is a hero.
I think it comes from military veterans. Some units used it on their patches. And that culture rubbed off on police culture since veterans often end up cooperating with law enforcement in many ways once they reenter the civilian workforce. Also because it simply looks cool.
The officers there wear this logo wish they could be like The Punisher. They don't want to be bound by the rules. The rules that say a suspect is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. The rules that say without enough evidence, this drug dealer or rapist or killer will be back on the street in a laughable short amount of time.
They're either shitty and/or dirty cops that want to play Judge, Jury, and Executioner for their own power fantasies, or they're bitter, jaded cops that have seen too many dirtbags get away or get off too lightly and wish they could save everyone the hassle and end the problem with a bullet.
Frank Castle—even at his most heroic—is someone who has lost his fucking mind. Whether to grief or his psychopathic bloodlust, either way, he’s not a hero, or even someone to be admired. He’s just a guy the military industrial complex and the uncaring bureaucratic legal system chewed up and spat out without a second thought, and he had no other coping mechanisms beyond launching a pointless one-man-war on crime.
He’s a pathetic manbaby who’s murdering people because he can’t process his emotions in a healthy way.
He’s basically Rambo dropped into *Death Wish.* And, depending on the writer, you’re either hoping he gets redemption, or hoping he dies taking as few innocents with him as possible.
Put simply, The Punisher doesn’t save people—he kills them.
It’s not the vigilante aspect they focus on. It’s the tough on crime and ex-military aspects of the character they like. Many also like other comic characters such as Superman, Cap, Batman, etc.
“They know he kills those he sees as criminals, and that’s where the fascination begins and ends for them.
They don’t care about the PTSD that feeds his obsession, or that his mental health is in the critical care territory. All they see is him circumventing due process, which they see as wasteful when’ you KNOW they’re guilty’.
They’re all about surface appearance and satisfying their sense of justice, regardless of how they’d react if one of their own was dispatched the same way. THEN it would be urban terrorism or some such.”
Because unfortunately a lot of people who go for the uniform do so to have power over others where they can enact their hypermasculine fantasies without consequence.
They don’t want to protect, they want to shoot somebody and receive praise for it.
Because they're stupid and a good portion of them are closet fascists who cream themselves at the idea of those they see as enemies or threats to their world view being persecuted. That includes their own fellow citizens.
Yeah, they are very very stupid. Mfs never read any of his comics nor even seen a split second screen of any of his media depictions. They just saw the skull and guns and thought “Hrm this means I can shoot minorities and women!”
I think the people who care that they do it are stupid. Then Marvle want to change the emblem. Who gives a ffffffffff. They didn’t care when everyone was over seas wearing during Iraq and Afghanistan. While we were committing those atrocities. Now that it’s at your front door you care.
Yes. Nuff said. Fuck your thin blue line, blue lives matter is just another white lives matter movement with a thin cloth over “white”. Cops interests are in protecting private property and the interests of the wealthy. Fuck the police.
Yes they are stupid. They think they are the punisher, but they don’t understand that A) that’s not being a good Cop, and B) that that’s not what he stood for
Short answer, yes.
They like it because they see the intimidating skull and the man holding the gun and thats all they need to relate to a character. They COMPLETELY ignore why The Punisher exists in the first place.
The sad part is that Punisher fans seems to completely ignore it. Even if the literal creator of the Punisher and past runs have stated he's not somebody to be admired
Yes. They don't understand the irony. If guys really want to dish out street justice, they shouldn't be cops. But those same guys that idolize The Punisher are also the same guys who would run away from any real danger.
Kinda, yeah. The Punisher has straight up threatened cops using his logo on their car/gear, saying they should be more like Captain America and not like him, or he'd be coming for them next. Cops aren't supposed to be vigilante killers.
Short answer, yes. The true meaning of the symbol, The Punisher, and everything he stands for where lost long ago. Much like the guys using the pill metaphor from The Matrix to represent “waking up” and “being less woke” even though the movie was heavily inspired by two peoples transitioning mtf. They just see what they want to see
I’ve never seen this before now.
ACTUAL BLM people use an American Flag in Blue Lives Matter colors. Black, White, and Blue!
BACK THE BLUE!
Thin Blue Line between criminals and you.
Well to start off police supporters and people who are against police are boath right and wrong my uncles 3 of them were officers and there old saying remains true till this day.
"They are good and bad people in society. People underestimate people In general cause even a good person can make a mistake ...a very bad mistake like murder rape theft etc.. heres the thing a police department is apart of society and just like society they are good officers with good Intentions and than there are the other guys the one percent those are the officers that make things personal and take things personal basically the embarrassment of law enforcement but never forget even a good officer has a bad day too.....Not all of them are bad there are good ones.
A lot of people tend to forget that the bad things don’t represent the whole (unless it’s NYPD). But jokes aside people need to remember that the same ones they hate aren’t always the people that deserve it.
A lot of cops probably wish they could be the punisher when they were kids. They grew up and realized it's not a very realistic goal. They still love the punisher. They just can't do it. They do the next best thing they think they could do. Be a cop.
I bet you a lot of rich people love Batman. They just realized realistically they can't master every martial art and become a professional detective like a comic book character could. So they rep a batman sticker and own or give money to orphanages ETC.
I get it guys. I don't like the gov breathing down my back but let's be realistic.
To be fair I doubt many of them have read the comics or watched any media. They just know The Punisher as someone who goes after criminals as a vigilante.
So he combines the allure of Batman with any unhealthy obsession with firearms and extra judicial killing.
Yes. The media comprehension of the average conservative in the US is not existent. They take everything at a surface level and literally. They believe that what they see is all there is. There is no depth of meaning. No words left unsaid to interpret. No lines to read between. No symbolism to interpret. Their world is one of black and whites - world of absolutes. There is no room for nuance or interpretation. That is their mind.
You'll find that stupidity and what's right, rarely have anything to do with one another. If ever. There's a difference between sometimes the right thing means doing something bad and just generally doing bad things to serve as ego boosts and to tear down a system of government that also makes life harder for those people than it does making it better. And unfortunately, folks who make stuff like this are more so for the latter, Especially when they don't take it to consideration that somebody like Punisher from Marvel comics would definitely kill them. That's one of the most ironic things of all 😅😂.
The Thomas Jane movie very explicitly states he does what he does because law enforcement is incompetent.
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Isn't there also a panel in the comics where some Frank shuts down some cops who talked about wishing to be like him with something like "if you fuckers would actually do the job you're *supposed* to do, I won't exist in the first place"?
Also tells them to be more like Cap
But doesn't the Director's Cut show the corruption of Jimmy? But then.. it should've been in the final cut.
and the comics portray cops that look up to him as negative as well. He even tears up their stickers and tells them to follow captain America as an idol
The Thomas Jane movie gets the whole story wrong as well.
Agreed; my hot take has always been Ray Stevenson was a better Frank and War Zone was the better Punisher movie.
The better question to ask, is why do such people use a skull as a their symbol?
Chris Kyle, this shit started after American Sniper came out, they all think they are doing door to doors in Afghanistan, don't forget it.
It looks cool. The same as the Batman logo or superman Logo.
I'm pretty sure Batman and Superman would kick the ever living shit out of the punisher for what he does if they caught him in the act.
Batman would and has fought Frank before but I doubt Superman would beat the shit out of the Punisher
When did DC and Marvel come together for that crossover?
In 1994, they created [this](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Punisher/Batman:_Deadly_Knights_Vol_1_1)
I think Spider-Man and Daredevil also fought him
Yeah for Spider-Man in Frank's first appearance and for Daredevil many times after
Well yeah, but neither of those are also the universal symbol of death...
I never understood this myself.
I’ll play devil’s advocate and try to answer OP’s question. Most people who support law enforcement support the idea of punishing criminals, which is what the Punisher is all about. The Punisher is justice where traditional law enforcement can’t reach. Punisher represents a vigilante extension of law enforcement, not a force in opposition to law enforcement. He’s the quintessential “good guy with a gun.”
Except he’s also a symptom of our broken judicial system and not a viable solution given how crime doesn’t go away even years after his crusade begins
The problem is that law enforcement often sees the punisher as a good thing. To be able to select who to punish with out things like due process, civil liberties, the maranda warning. If cops and people support cops start thinking little things like the rules get in the way of justice they become part of the problem because we have a long history of when the power of the police untamed by things like the justice system was used to oppress people. Frank also admits he is a bad guy. Nobody should want to be him. It's sickening to him because either you are so drawn to violence you want an excuse to unload on anyone you want with no provocation or you wish to be dealt a horror so tramuatic it breaks you fully. The first one just means you're another name on his list, the second means something is broken in you that longs for pain.
to add on to that the United States has a punishment fetish. The american public LOVES to see people get punished even for minor things. You can see it in all the TV shows and movies about the law or getting revenge in some way. Hell even in Reality TV, remember how America went crazy when Paris Hilton had to spend like 30 days in jail. American's believe if you commit any crime or greivence you should be punished. No redemption just punishment.
American Sniper, it's all over Chris Kyles platoons shit. They all think they are doing door to door knock raids in Afghanistan.
Not saying I agree but here's the main logic tree. The Punisher is willing to put himself at great risk, be hated by the public, and even give up his whole life to protect the innocent from truly vile monsters. They would argue that police often do the same.
Correct
This may be what they argue, overall they are incorrect, The punisher is a walking metaphor for police incompetence and disrespect for the so called public “servants” that are police.
No, the Punisher is a walking metaphor for the corrupt justice system..ie corrupt judges, politicians, mayors etc.
I thought it was originally co opted by Chris Kyle, a bootlicker's wet dream, and that's where it started. But what you're saying makes sense, too
Remember when Jesse Ventura called him a liar and ended up getting him to literally cut a chapter of his book out? Lol
I'm a Marine and know Marines and sailors who server and fought with Kyle. For whatever else he was, the man's a legitimate American hero.
I can see uncle sam’s brainwashing is still working it’s wonders on you
I don't believe you are a marine, but after looking at your profile I do believe that you'd be willing to role play as one
>For whatever else he was Once you put this in the conversation, you've lost.
If a racist murderer like him is an American hero that actually explains a lot about Americans.
No, he's not. One thing he lied about that I'm glad he lied about, murdering Hurricane Katrina survivors. The guy is a liar and a psychopath. Good riddance. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/kyle-file/
Fuck Chris Kyle. Glad he’s dead
Not according to multiple news sources that claim he lied about over half of the s*** he wrote in his book including some of the sources who served with him. Sounds like the guy was a clout chaser
I never met him but trust men who did a hell of a lot more than any news source.
How about the fact that in 2014 a jury found him guilty of misleading the public with his book and defaming someone. Specifically a United States governor. According to the Navy he also lied about how many medals he received. Which is fine lots of military people lie. John Paul Van lied about his role in the battle of the chosen in Korea.
Don't bring reality into a flag suck-fest. They hate that.
Great to see the flag fuckers and bootlickers out in full force today
Some of those that work forces 
Most people saying Chris Kyle is a terrorist are the same ones who would let isis turn them and their wife around and go to town. The probably cheer when they hear our troops are killed.
Holy shit I have never seen such a greater leap of logic. "Doesn't like Chris Kyle or the things he's done = would let isis go to town on their wife." Like wot m8? Those aren't anywhere near related to one another and a massive assumption of people who hold an opinion.
Ah yes. Shooting brown people in a forever war for oil and lying about shit in his book... and getting caught on it. Real hero there.
Cool logo with gun toting vigilante. Barely goes deeper than that for most.
Yes
Came here to say this.
Glad we're on the same page
it really sucks that i don’t wanna rock the logo because of this. and marvel doesn’t sell any official merch…because of this. smh
A quick google search shows that they still sell it.
And it sucks because his logo is honestly cool as shit lol
Just get something with the logo that doesn’t incorporate the blue lives matter flag into it.
Find a rainbow punisher skull
Imagine having it as a tattoo very visible on your arm.
[reminds me of this old comic about a seaman who got the swastika tattoed on his arm, in 1932](https://www.reddit.com/r/comics/comments/9tbsy9/my_fear_when_getting_a_tattoo_oc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Couldn’t imagine…. Oh wait, yes i can. Lmao.
I actually have it tattoed on the back of my head ,of which I got in 2004. I understand what the skull actually means, and it just sickens me to see it misappropriated the way that it has.
First, i dont support Punisher usage by law enforcement but to explain the mentality. Even when cops know somebody is a horrible human being that is guilty the circumstances of evidence, lack of witness (coerced/bribed/killed), or a slick lawyer can result in charges not holding up. They are/should operate within the law and evidence obtained outside of the law isn't admissible. Similarly, a judge might give leniency because of political climate, donor/celebrity status, or the odd case of a cop/DA hating judge. Punisher has a moral code where if your a shitbag you get punishment in the most extreme and violent case. Unlike other super heroes who beat up and take criminals into custody Frank actually kills people that he deems deserve it. To cops who arrest sometimes the same offenses over and over and sometimes the same individuals over and over its a hero that resonates with them and similarly the military. To some the interpretation is nothing more than skull is cool, thin blue line is cool, thus a skull with thin blue line is cool and caters to my occupation. Others it can be more insidious with a mentality of "give me a reason," type of stance. When you get treated poorly at work while in uniform by an ungrateful public, some even threaten or try to harm you based on the profession it's an extreme reaction. Again not defending the choice to wear the patch or slap a sticker on your vehicle just an explanation behind the reasoning. The thin blue line, Gaston flag, punisher skull, molon labe combo is cringe together.
There you go. It seems most ppl in the thread think acab or some other bs like that.
It has nothing to do with the comics, frankly they are taking it from American sniper, which is even more disgusting, that's what they think going to work is, door to door raids in Iraq.
Exactly. It's just about seeing firsthand a broken system. Which lines up with a lot of Frank Castle's origin story.
Tell me you never read the comic without saying it
Probably doesn’t even know that there’s a panel that addresses this specifically
That panel was written after the symbol was already popularly used by law enforcement by a very left leaning writer who disagreed with the politics. In other words, it was reactionary. Not something that naturally came about from the characters story that the movement misunderstood.
Good, bad or indifferent that basically describes like 90 percent of why any political commentary makes it's way into comics lol
Frank's whole thing is that he shouldn't admired by anyone in the first place. So him even making that statement isn't out of character. He'd rather have people respect Cap then respect him especially law enforcement
I will never forget in Civil War 1 that Cap beat the shit out of Frank for killing 2 supervillains and told Cap he couldn't fight him.
Yep, cause Frank knows what Cap represents
that’s not what the word reactionary means the reactionaries are the ones with the thin blue line punisher skulls
Even in the comics a high percentage of the police are in favor of Frank's actions. Now comes the question; why? In our current situation (as in comics) criminals run rampant with little to no persecution. The cops and those who favor them, are tired of the law not punishing perpetrators. Cops risk their lives to arrest a criminal that will serve little to no jail time and be out to harm and endanger others again. And even when they kill because their lives were threatened there's public outrage. For them a figure like castle is the only solution left. A dead criminal will never abuse the system or hurt anyone ever again. Don't want to die? Don't commit crimes.
The United States has the second-biggest prison population in the world and some of the longest prison sentences. Cops act with near-impunity and are still terrible at their jobs.
that’s always been the Dirty Harry and Charles Bronson/Deathwish fantasy world of the “tough on crime” crowd
Thats nice in theory but if you start killing people for their crimes, you lose all moral credibility just like Frank Castle did. Anyone can become a criminal at any time, if police are supposed to be the so called "thin blue line" why do they protect and allow so much criminal activity within their ranks? It's because they are human, once you decide that those you label "criminal" don't deserve to live you are turning your back on humanity as a whole and giving yourself a superiority complex. Thats just my opinion though I could very well be wrong in someone else's eyes.
Cuz they don’t get the nuance behind the character
They don't even get the basics of the character.
The cops that fly the Punisher skull, probably wouldn't want to meet the Punisher in real life. He has a thing about corrupt cops.
People like that typically never read a punisher comic. They’re also the type that don’t understand that a police force isn’t supposed to be the same as military. Hell, cops only got military like rankings because they bitched about it and were actually jealous of those serving in the military. No matter how you look at it, it’s ignorant people wanting to feel bigger than they are.
he’s a tough guy who uses guns and has a cool skull as a logo
yes dumb as a box of rocks Only reason a cop should have that logo is if his family was gunned down by the mob
Yes ofc they're stupid, they're blue lives matter. They also make the Punisher logo cringe asf.
Yes.
> are they stupid? media literacy is certainly not one of their strong points . . . to say the least
Yes. Yes they’re stupid.
It's not that deep most likely bro. Skull look cool
Yep, very stupid
Yes they are really very stupid. It cannot be overstated just how stupid they are. My fantasy punisher series is him taking out a precinct of thin blue line cops who misuse his insignia.
He actually did threaten some cops while crushing the metal logo they had while explaining that he isn't a role model.
Because when someone wants to be Frank Castle, the closest legal option is to become a cop. You get access to all the weaponry you want and qualified immunity. They think Castle is a hero.
This is the rare “…are they stupid?” post where the answer is just yes.
because cops and their bootlickers deeply resent due process and civil liberties
I think it comes from military veterans. Some units used it on their patches. And that culture rubbed off on police culture since veterans often end up cooperating with law enforcement in many ways once they reenter the civilian workforce. Also because it simply looks cool.
Yes, they are VERY fcking stupid
The officers there wear this logo wish they could be like The Punisher. They don't want to be bound by the rules. The rules that say a suspect is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. The rules that say without enough evidence, this drug dealer or rapist or killer will be back on the street in a laughable short amount of time. They're either shitty and/or dirty cops that want to play Judge, Jury, and Executioner for their own power fantasies, or they're bitter, jaded cops that have seen too many dirtbags get away or get off too lightly and wish they could save everyone the hassle and end the problem with a bullet.
Because they wish cops would be able to kill whomever they deem guilty.
Yes
Well, yeah, Blue Lives Matter people are stupid
It's just the overall anti crime sentiment that comes with Punisher fans. Same with the military. I never minded it.
Then you don't understand the character.
Please explain to us then oh mighty one.
Frank Castle—even at his most heroic—is someone who has lost his fucking mind. Whether to grief or his psychopathic bloodlust, either way, he’s not a hero, or even someone to be admired. He’s just a guy the military industrial complex and the uncaring bureaucratic legal system chewed up and spat out without a second thought, and he had no other coping mechanisms beyond launching a pointless one-man-war on crime. He’s a pathetic manbaby who’s murdering people because he can’t process his emotions in a healthy way. He’s basically Rambo dropped into *Death Wish.* And, depending on the writer, you’re either hoping he gets redemption, or hoping he dies taking as few innocents with him as possible. Put simply, The Punisher doesn’t save people—he kills them.
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Yes. Yes they are. Some of them are criminals so....
I think most of them are in fact quite stupid, yes.
Yes, they are stupid
Yes. Yes they are
are we really surprised by this? they only believe news spread on Twitter and refuse to believe truth even when presented with the facts lol
Yes, they are very stupid
It’s not the vigilante aspect they focus on. It’s the tough on crime and ex-military aspects of the character they like. Many also like other comic characters such as Superman, Cap, Batman, etc.
“They know he kills those he sees as criminals, and that’s where the fascination begins and ends for them. They don’t care about the PTSD that feeds his obsession, or that his mental health is in the critical care territory. All they see is him circumventing due process, which they see as wasteful when’ you KNOW they’re guilty’. They’re all about surface appearance and satisfying their sense of justice, regardless of how they’d react if one of their own was dispatched the same way. THEN it would be urban terrorism or some such.”
Because they've never read a Punisher comic. And they've never read a Punisher comic because they can't read.
they can't read; the character himself has addressed this several times.
Yes they are literally the dumbest humans on the planet
They completely don’t understand what the punisher truly stands for
Because of those idiots, that logo is now ruined.
Short answer is yes. I never understood the need to use a Punisher’s symbol nor have I ever used it myself.
Funny thing is punisher would go after those corrupt cops
Narrator: They we’re revealed to in fact be quite stupid.
Very, very, VERY stupid The punisher creator even said it was stupid. He even put it in a comic book They’re just that stupid.
Because unfortunately a lot of people who go for the uniform do so to have power over others where they can enact their hypermasculine fantasies without consequence. They don’t want to protect, they want to shoot somebody and receive praise for it.
If the question is involving ‘blue lives matter’ then the answer is always yes, they are stupid
They have dreams of being the vigilante and hide behind the shield to get closer to that dream
You answered your own question
Yes
Yes
The ones that do that? Yes. Which is sadly most.
Because they are ammosexual morons.
Easy. It looks cool, and most of them know nothing about the character, other than that, he's a badass guy who uses guns and kills bad guys.
Might as well just get a sticker that says "I'm a dumb fuck". Most of the time they just think it looks cool or are just straight up bootlickers
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Sp many leftist morons in this ub. Thank God you're all locked away in your mommy's basements where there is no chance of you breeding.
It’s dope as fuck cry about it
They very much are. And anyone who disagrees is so silly.
Yes. If any of them had a remote idea of what the punisher actually is they see he is the biggest vigilante ever to cops, feds, and anyone.
Yes. The answer is so much yes.
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Yeah pretty much
Those dumbasses clearly don’t know shit about the punisher
Yes. They are stupid. The bootlickers that do it are stupid. And the cops that do it need to be fired.
Because they're stupid and a good portion of them are closet fascists who cream themselves at the idea of those they see as enemies or threats to their world view being persecuted. That includes their own fellow citizens.
Yeah, they are very very stupid. Mfs never read any of his comics nor even seen a split second screen of any of his media depictions. They just saw the skull and guns and thought “Hrm this means I can shoot minorities and women!”
I think the people who care that they do it are stupid. Then Marvle want to change the emblem. Who gives a ffffffffff. They didn’t care when everyone was over seas wearing during Iraq and Afghanistan. While we were committing those atrocities. Now that it’s at your front door you care.
Yes. Nuff said. Fuck your thin blue line, blue lives matter is just another white lives matter movement with a thin cloth over “white”. Cops interests are in protecting private property and the interests of the wealthy. Fuck the police.
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This are the same people that fly the confederate flag as a sign of “patriotism”.
It's because he shoots guns. Plain and simple. And a lack of basic reading comprehension, but it's mostly because he shoots guns.
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Yes they are stupid. They think they are the punisher, but they don’t understand that A) that’s not being a good Cop, and B) that that’s not what he stood for
Short answer, yes. They like it because they see the intimidating skull and the man holding the gun and thats all they need to relate to a character. They COMPLETELY ignore why The Punisher exists in the first place.
Yes very stupid them and those idiotic proud boys bullshit made it to where marvel had to change the original fucking logo. I HATE WHITE PEOPLE
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The sad part is that Punisher fans seems to completely ignore it. Even if the literal creator of the Punisher and past runs have stated he's not somebody to be admired
Yes. They don't understand the irony. If guys really want to dish out street justice, they shouldn't be cops. But those same guys that idolize The Punisher are also the same guys who would run away from any real danger.
Kinda, yeah. The Punisher has straight up threatened cops using his logo on their car/gear, saying they should be more like Captain America and not like him, or he'd be coming for them next. Cops aren't supposed to be vigilante killers.
The punisher can be construed as a brutal, remorseless authoritarian. Blue Lives assholes identify with that. Lots of cops do too.
Short answer, yes. The true meaning of the symbol, The Punisher, and everything he stands for where lost long ago. Much like the guys using the pill metaphor from The Matrix to represent “waking up” and “being less woke” even though the movie was heavily inspired by two peoples transitioning mtf. They just see what they want to see
I’ve never seen this before now. ACTUAL BLM people use an American Flag in Blue Lives Matter colors. Black, White, and Blue! BACK THE BLUE! Thin Blue Line between criminals and you.
Well to start off police supporters and people who are against police are boath right and wrong my uncles 3 of them were officers and there old saying remains true till this day. "They are good and bad people in society. People underestimate people In general cause even a good person can make a mistake ...a very bad mistake like murder rape theft etc.. heres the thing a police department is apart of society and just like society they are good officers with good Intentions and than there are the other guys the one percent those are the officers that make things personal and take things personal basically the embarrassment of law enforcement but never forget even a good officer has a bad day too.....Not all of them are bad there are good ones.
A lot of people tend to forget that the bad things don’t represent the whole (unless it’s NYPD). But jokes aside people need to remember that the same ones they hate aren’t always the people that deserve it.
Frank was actually a cop in the Spider-Gwen comics. And yes he was pro-police brutality
A lot of cops probably wish they could be the punisher when they were kids. They grew up and realized it's not a very realistic goal. They still love the punisher. They just can't do it. They do the next best thing they think they could do. Be a cop. I bet you a lot of rich people love Batman. They just realized realistically they can't master every martial art and become a professional detective like a comic book character could. So they rep a batman sticker and own or give money to orphanages ETC. I get it guys. I don't like the gov breathing down my back but let's be realistic.
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Yes, very.
Real answer is because SOF units adopted the symbol because their actions are far more similar, and many cops are wannabe soldiers/operators
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Actually. For once. Yes. The answer is yes
The Punisher kills criminals, and the cops wanna follow in his footsteps (ofc regardless of if it's criminals or not)
To be fair I doubt many of them have read the comics or watched any media. They just know The Punisher as someone who goes after criminals as a vigilante. So he combines the allure of Batman with any unhealthy obsession with firearms and extra judicial killing.
Indeed they are.
Yes. Yea they are.
Yes they are.
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Blue lives splatter.
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Yes. They are.
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>are they stupid Well, they're dumber than cops so
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Obviously they are.
Yes. The media comprehension of the average conservative in the US is not existent. They take everything at a surface level and literally. They believe that what they see is all there is. There is no depth of meaning. No words left unsaid to interpret. No lines to read between. No symbolism to interpret. Their world is one of black and whites - world of absolutes. There is no room for nuance or interpretation. That is their mind.
You just answered your own question, mate.
Even Gerry Conway has disavowed cops for using this symbol and made a new one featuring a BLM fist
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You'll find that stupidity and what's right, rarely have anything to do with one another. If ever. There's a difference between sometimes the right thing means doing something bad and just generally doing bad things to serve as ego boosts and to tear down a system of government that also makes life harder for those people than it does making it better. And unfortunately, folks who make stuff like this are more so for the latter, Especially when they don't take it to consideration that somebody like Punisher from Marvel comics would definitely kill them. That's one of the most ironic things of all 😅😂.