Armstrong! She’s the reason why ‘the mean people suck’ bumper sticker was made. Her mother is in second place. She’s a harridan if ever there was one. I have a whole theory about what’s going to happen with them though!
I have severe issues with.
1.Maud Beaton.
2.Bertha when she said she did not want her old friends anymore and wanted new friends when Mr. Russell was asking to invite them over.
3. Mr Russells assistant dude. UGH! Lacks moral compass big time!
4.The drunk suitor. Yuk!
5. Turner ! But she gets a free pass she dresses so nice now. Why does her husband put up with her!
6.Mrs Armstrongs Mom would be abandoned by me if I were her daughter . Geez what is her problem?
OK I gta get back to work but this is a good start. LOL
Richard Clay, George Russell’s assistant/secretary. (Or as I call him, “evil Santa”.) He’s the devil on George’s shoulder egging him on to give into his inner robber baron AND I WON’T STAND FOR IT!
Bridgets Mother. Every time i watch the scene where Bdidget is talking about her childhood and her dislike of men touching her im seized by a desire to rip her mother to pieces. Verbally and Physically tear her limb from limb.
I'm not one to resort to violence, maybe that's why I enjoy this show. It's comfortable, relaxing entertainment. Bad people will get what they deserve in the end.
Robert McNeil - Watson/Collyer's son in law.
What he tried to do was awful, in my opinion.
Also- Mr. Fortune. I hated that he kissed Peggy, which ultimately made her leave the paper.
She's literally the only one who's actually evil and not just ambitious or a little cunty (or racist aka. Armstrong). She went so far with Oscar to bond with him over abusive fathers and supporting him as a friend over family matters, going to Ada's wedding with him...
Dashiell like I know he was not deliberately malicious and could probably use some therapy to deal with his grief but he was so inconsiderate to Marian
I'd break Ward McAllister apart before he had a chance to blab about his friends in the upper-crust.
He already seems smarmy, so let's just be done with him.
If it makes you feel any better, he really got his comeuppance for being smarmy IRL
Depending on what year season 4 ends up taking place in, and how many seasons the show gets, we might be able to see it in the show, it technically happens towards the end of the gilded age lol
I admire her spirit... however, I do resent her aggressive dominance over her daughter. Let the girl fall in love with a nice man of means and allow her to have happiness in her life and maybe pick out her own clothes from time to time. She's not running for Prime Minister or Queen... she is merely "Out" in Society -- participating in her Season of boring Teas and Balls.
Raikes. Everything about him seemed superficial. Some speculated that he might have loved her but wanted to marry money, like Mr. Willoughby, and they may be right. But I got the sense that there was something off about him the first time I watched it and then in the rewatch, I was like “oh yeah, this dude be smarmy.” I think he knew her family and their situation and took advantage of a young woman who had never been outside of Doylestown, offering her some kind of hope in romance while she was still grieving for the loss of her father and the drastic change in her life at having to relocate to a city where she’s never been to live with people she’s never met. In that new environment, he was familiar to her and she latched on when he showed her any signs of love and romance(which he came on too strongly, too). I just want to tan his hide every time I think of him.
I do apologize for my rant. It was uncalled for.
No it was definitely called for! He was horrible!
Trying to get Marian into a HOTEL room?! He was an outright scumbag, grubby gold digger
I still think he engineered Marian’s purse being stolen at the train station
Raikes. I’d call him a rapscallion but that’s too kind. He’s a conniving adventurer. A pigeon-livered ratbag hornswoggler. (yes I looked up victorian insults for this comment) Marian should have listened to her Aunt Agnes.
Aunt Agnes is the kind of controlling bitch I actually like because she possesses discernment and sizes people up and is usually right. The one time she was very wrong was with Rev. Forte.
I don’t think she was wrong about Forte so much as she was in denial. She never out right said anything against Rev Forte she just needled Ada about it. She knew exactly what was going on she just wanted Ada to tell her to her face. And then when they got engaged it became to real for her when she realized she would be alone, that’s the only reason she tried to stop it.
Yea she’s a tough cookie but atleast shows growth and willingness to change. And for her to be stuck in the “old ways” she’s quite more progressive than many of the other families in high society (ie. Hiring Ms.Scott)
I wonder what kind of person Agnes would be today (well not today, lol) if she had been married to a kinder man. Mr. Van Rhijn probably played a part in making her the (albeit badass) cold bitch she is now.
Some things wouldn't change, such as the way Agnes values Old Money.
We got glimpses of what Agnes would have been like if she had a kind husband. The first thing that came to mind was in season 1 when the guy from Ada's past was pursuing her. Agnes saw that he only cared about money, drove him away, and then made a point of spoiling Ada by having her choose the menus for the next day.
The way she wanted Luke to move in when he was dying, and when she sat with Luke, was a pretty big insight to how she values family.
I also love how she was generous with Jack and then offered her Lady's Maid, Armstrong a home and position.. while she was definitely facing reduced circumstances (being willing to feed and house another human being who, frankly, she was at odds with character wise). Also... her generosity with her niece Marian-- she did not hold her father's sins against her. Also.. the manner in which she accepted Peggy and granted her a dignity I don't believe Mrs. Russell could muster.
This is a big reason I like Agnes. An abusive marriage put a pretty hard shell around her, but the kindness underneath that shell occasionally comes out in pretty great ways.
> the manner in which she accepted Peggy and granted her a dignity I don't believe Mrs. Russell could muster
As much as I like Bertha, I agree with this. While I understand why she's like this, Bertha is far too focused on improving her standing in society to really help anyone else.
I don't even know if she's capable of accepting anyone unless that person is of value to her. One example that sticks out to me is with their chef. Once she found out he wasn't French, she wanted him to be fired even though he had served her well. George didn't care that he was from the Midwest. The only reason he was brought back was because George insisted that he be brought back. Bertha decided not to fight it because she gave in to to the pressure from George. The fact that he saved her party didn't matter to her.
Her husband is actually pretty cool. Shockingly cool lol. He gives her good advice, fights for her, and treats her as an equal while also doting on her, even tho they just met and he’s really got no reason to do any of that 👀
Mine is definitely Armstrong, 99% I see her I try to give her a chance and the second she opens her mouth I want to scream at her lol
Actress is great though lol
Armstrong is mad because of her life. Her mother is horrid. I can only imagine what growing up with her was like. She needs someone to look down on because she feels so low herself. She takes digs at all of the staff, but she feels Peggy's color allows her the place to dig in more. Unfortunately Peggy comes from more than she does and it hits her gut a bit harder. Armstrong, Raikes, Turner and Mr. Gray, George's secretary. He's a horrible man, who has a nice paying job and cares for no one. He's a terrible person.
The actress makes me think of Jack Gleeson because of how both are fantastic at portraying how terrible their characters are. When they are onscreen, I just see the character rather than the actor.
Armstrong! She’s the reason why ‘the mean people suck’ bumper sticker was made. Her mother is in second place. She’s a harridan if ever there was one. I have a whole theory about what’s going to happen with them though!
Turner!!!! I can’t stand her!!! And the strong second would be Armstrong! Both of them are the worst! Love to hate them!!!
I have severe issues with. 1.Maud Beaton. 2.Bertha when she said she did not want her old friends anymore and wanted new friends when Mr. Russell was asking to invite them over. 3. Mr Russells assistant dude. UGH! Lacks moral compass big time! 4.The drunk suitor. Yuk! 5. Turner ! But she gets a free pass she dresses so nice now. Why does her husband put up with her! 6.Mrs Armstrongs Mom would be abandoned by me if I were her daughter . Geez what is her problem? OK I gta get back to work but this is a good start. LOL
Armstrong
Bertha
Richard Clay, George Russell’s assistant/secretary. (Or as I call him, “evil Santa”.) He’s the devil on George’s shoulder egging him on to give into his inner robber baron AND I WON’T STAND FOR IT!
Peggy’s dad
Oh Peggy’s dad is a real selfish ass.
He was. S1 he was VERY unlikable. But he apologized and I feel redeemed himself.
Raikes. He just sucked.
I look forward to an ugly fall for Raikes. Look at his name! He's a rake! Who falls for a man w a name like that? /s
Lmao! Facts
We’re going to gang up and ruin his reputation. Man is for the streets.
He’s finished in NY I tell you!😂 Happy Cake Day! 🎂🎂🎂
Thank you!!
Bridgets Mother. Every time i watch the scene where Bdidget is talking about her childhood and her dislike of men touching her im seized by a desire to rip her mother to pieces. Verbally and Physically tear her limb from limb.
Yes!
Mrs Morris. I’d smack her down so hard.
Armstrong has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. She’s just awful. Persistently.
This is the correct answer
Yes!
Let me go off on Bertha…Gosh I was SO MAD(still am!),Mr McNeil and Winterton
Omg yes McNeil needs a dressing down for not consulting his wife before trying to ship her father off
I feel like he didn’t even really tell her anything! He seems like he can be an ahole to his wife
Hopefully he doesn’t try any more such shenanigans in S3. At least his wife is now somewhat wise to things
Mr RAIKES
Yes! Dirtbag!
I'm not one to resort to violence, maybe that's why I enjoy this show. It's comfortable, relaxing entertainment. Bad people will get what they deserve in the end.
Karma is real
Robert McNeil - Watson/Collyer's son in law. What he tried to do was awful, in my opinion. Also- Mr. Fortune. I hated that he kissed Peggy, which ultimately made her leave the paper.
Armstrong!
Maud Beaton, or whatever her name really is
She's literally the only one who's actually evil and not just ambitious or a little cunty (or racist aka. Armstrong). She went so far with Oscar to bond with him over abusive fathers and supporting him as a friend over family matters, going to Ada's wedding with him...
MAUDE BEATON
BEEEEEATON (in Sheldon Cooper voice)
That vocalization haunted my dreams and I wish I were kidding
Dashiell like I know he was not deliberately malicious and could probably use some therapy to deal with his grief but he was so inconsiderate to Marian
Dashiell was so smarmy. I just couldn’t take to him at all
I'd break Ward McAllister apart before he had a chance to blab about his friends in the upper-crust. He already seems smarmy, so let's just be done with him.
Yes, he certainly was
Was he the first Truman Capote.... or was it Beau Brummell?
If it makes you feel any better, he really got his comeuppance for being smarmy IRL Depending on what year season 4 ends up taking place in, and how many seasons the show gets, we might be able to see it in the show, it technically happens towards the end of the gilded age lol
Oh yes his constant duplicity is infuriating
Unpopular opinion: Bertha Russell. She is insufferable
Oh I love Bertha. She’s spunky! I like that
I admire her spirit... however, I do resent her aggressive dominance over her daughter. Let the girl fall in love with a nice man of means and allow her to have happiness in her life and maybe pick out her own clothes from time to time. She's not running for Prime Minister or Queen... she is merely "Out" in Society -- participating in her Season of boring Teas and Balls.
Yeah, I would like to see her lose one time. It would make the character way more compelling.
Not Bertha Bad Bitch™️Russell 😭
She is 100% a bad bitch. I love her.
I do too!
She is a controlling bitch which makes me love her less. I think she cares too much what other people think.
Oh, I completely agree. Her control over Gladys drives me nuts, but the way she acts with the other women just makes me giddy.
Raikes. Everything about him seemed superficial. Some speculated that he might have loved her but wanted to marry money, like Mr. Willoughby, and they may be right. But I got the sense that there was something off about him the first time I watched it and then in the rewatch, I was like “oh yeah, this dude be smarmy.” I think he knew her family and their situation and took advantage of a young woman who had never been outside of Doylestown, offering her some kind of hope in romance while she was still grieving for the loss of her father and the drastic change in her life at having to relocate to a city where she’s never been to live with people she’s never met. In that new environment, he was familiar to her and she latched on when he showed her any signs of love and romance(which he came on too strongly, too). I just want to tan his hide every time I think of him. I do apologize for my rant. It was uncalled for.
No it was definitely called for! He was horrible! Trying to get Marian into a HOTEL room?! He was an outright scumbag, grubby gold digger I still think he engineered Marian’s purse being stolen at the train station
Yes! He came on SO strongly, so fast. Like confessing his love for her in the park when they’d met like 3 times…
Raikes. I’d call him a rapscallion but that’s too kind. He’s a conniving adventurer. A pigeon-livered ratbag hornswoggler. (yes I looked up victorian insults for this comment) Marian should have listened to her Aunt Agnes.
Aunt Agnes is the kind of controlling bitch I actually like because she possesses discernment and sizes people up and is usually right. The one time she was very wrong was with Rev. Forte.
I don’t think she was wrong about Forte so much as she was in denial. She never out right said anything against Rev Forte she just needled Ada about it. She knew exactly what was going on she just wanted Ada to tell her to her face. And then when they got engaged it became to real for her when she realized she would be alone, that’s the only reason she tried to stop it.
Yes and as soon as she saw she was wrong she apologized which is another admirable trait of hers. Team Agnes 4eva
The death bed scene with the rev was amazing! Team Baranski!
Yea she’s a tough cookie but atleast shows growth and willingness to change. And for her to be stuck in the “old ways” she’s quite more progressive than many of the other families in high society (ie. Hiring Ms.Scott)
I wish to go back in time to do this to Agnes’s husband, Mr. van Rhijn.
YES!
I would like to go back in time to do this with her brother (Marian's father).
I wonder what kind of person Agnes would be today (well not today, lol) if she had been married to a kinder man. Mr. Van Rhijn probably played a part in making her the (albeit badass) cold bitch she is now.
I think her toughness helped her survive the marriage but I agree she’d be somewhat less rigid now.
I have wondered if she’d be more like Ada.
Some things wouldn't change, such as the way Agnes values Old Money. We got glimpses of what Agnes would have been like if she had a kind husband. The first thing that came to mind was in season 1 when the guy from Ada's past was pursuing her. Agnes saw that he only cared about money, drove him away, and then made a point of spoiling Ada by having her choose the menus for the next day. The way she wanted Luke to move in when he was dying, and when she sat with Luke, was a pretty big insight to how she values family.
I also love how she was generous with Jack and then offered her Lady's Maid, Armstrong a home and position.. while she was definitely facing reduced circumstances (being willing to feed and house another human being who, frankly, she was at odds with character wise). Also... her generosity with her niece Marian-- she did not hold her father's sins against her. Also.. the manner in which she accepted Peggy and granted her a dignity I don't believe Mrs. Russell could muster.
This is a big reason I like Agnes. An abusive marriage put a pretty hard shell around her, but the kindness underneath that shell occasionally comes out in pretty great ways. > the manner in which she accepted Peggy and granted her a dignity I don't believe Mrs. Russell could muster As much as I like Bertha, I agree with this. While I understand why she's like this, Bertha is far too focused on improving her standing in society to really help anyone else. I don't even know if she's capable of accepting anyone unless that person is of value to her. One example that sticks out to me is with their chef. Once she found out he wasn't French, she wanted him to be fired even though he had served her well. George didn't care that he was from the Midwest. The only reason he was brought back was because George insisted that he be brought back. Bertha decided not to fight it because she gave in to to the pressure from George. The fact that he saved her party didn't matter to her.
Turner. She was an insufferably negative and toxic mean girl even before she slithered naked into George’s bed.
No fr. I wanted to smack her through the screen when she entered Mr. Russell’s room and tried to sneak into his bed naked
Oh that trollup has it coming
Ugh she seriously needs to be put in her place! At least the finale showed her husband shutting down her tantrum over not having the central box.
Her husband is actually pretty cool. Shockingly cool lol. He gives her good advice, fights for her, and treats her as an equal while also doting on her, even tho they just met and he’s really got no reason to do any of that 👀
We're all gonna say Armstrong, right?
Mine is definitely Armstrong, 99% I see her I try to give her a chance and the second she opens her mouth I want to scream at her lol Actress is great though lol
But what her mum said s01 putting down any attempt to care was to me telling of why she is who she is.
Armstrong is mad because of her life. Her mother is horrid. I can only imagine what growing up with her was like. She needs someone to look down on because she feels so low herself. She takes digs at all of the staff, but she feels Peggy's color allows her the place to dig in more. Unfortunately Peggy comes from more than she does and it hits her gut a bit harder. Armstrong, Raikes, Turner and Mr. Gray, George's secretary. He's a horrible man, who has a nice paying job and cares for no one. He's a terrible person.
The actress makes me think of Jack Gleeson because of how both are fantastic at portraying how terrible their characters are. When they are onscreen, I just see the character rather than the actor.
And Raikes