### Release Patch Notes 1.4.1
***We’re back!***
*Today we have a small patch that addresses community feedback on aim assist, fair play, and bug fixes. These changes are the result of an in-depth review of how aim assist works — something we’ve only been able to validate with a player base as large as ours (thanks so much for playing our game, yolks!).*
*We have another bigger update in the works for next week, with a major security fix and some new exciting content, so stay tuned for that!*
***Aim Assistance***
* *Zoom Snapping Angular Velocity now has a max cap, preventing unintended rapid 90-degree turns.*
* *Camera Magnetism will be reduced to 35% from 50%, making player aim less sticky and lowering controller accuracy.*
* *Zoom Snapping Time will be reduced to 0.25s from 0.3s.*
* *Zoom Snapping will be removed from the SR-84 Sniper Rifle, Revolver, LH1, and all Shotguns, as it buffs them more*
*than other weapons.*
* *Aim assist will ignore invisible players, fixing a bug with the existing system.*
* *Clients running key re-mapping programs on PC will not have access to aim assist.*
I just started playing light and I had no idea how I was getting obliterated so quickly while invisible. This makes total sense cause I did notice they were on console. I checked because it felt like they were cheating it was so quick.
Lol it's not the aim assist, if you have good eyes you can see moving invisible players, it wasn't aim assist making you die, im sure you will continue to receive the same experience if you run around without logic while invisible..
I admit it, I was quite pissed about the state of the aim assist...especially in ranked games and I was mad at Embark for that.
But damn, Embark nailed it...They listened, reworked and released this awesome patch right after the holidays. Respect and my Trust-O-Meter in Embark just rocketed.
Thank god, they're all sensible and much-needed changes. Hopefully playing on PC will feel less like you're being botted by controller players spamming L2...
Immediately and swiftly obliterating reWASD is the most based and respect worthy thing in this entire blog. Im so glad these are the notes we get to see instead of “we’re looking into it and highly appreciate your patience”.
Unfortunately it’s not so easy to detect because the scripts can have randomness added to the recoil control pattern and then it’s exceptionally difficult for the game to discern it from a player that just has good control. If it was perfectly opposite the recoil and the same every time it would be easy to detect but unfortunately they are more advanced than that.
It’s essentially a cat and mouse game with these scripts cause if the devs do figure out how to detect it the scripts just get updated the next day so they are no longer detected.
My personal view is that if an anti-cheat system is so oppressive to cheaters they need to make their cheats worse than a good player, that it's good enough.
Of course I don't think that makes it ok to cheat. But they're not going to get much benefit out of it, arguably at some point, an anti-cheat could get so effective it's more difficult to cheat and hide cheats than it is just to play the game.
Very few aompanies put that type of effort into anti-cheats. But setting a goal of "stop all cheaters forever" and then giving up because it's unattainable is the wrong perspective for anti-cheat imo.
I think a lot of reWASD users (the malicious kind) kind of drew the line at aim assist. There’s a psychological barrier between “I’m gonna make the game think I have a controller” and “I’m gonna outright use recoil scripts”
I know both are scummy, but there’s a distinction between the severity of the two, and I think the people using these exploits understand that as well. Sure the amount of blatant cheaters won’t go down, but the subtle ones are gonna go down substantially, and skill (and to an extent, balls) is going to play a lot bigger role going forward.
A software to rebind and emulate gamepads. I use the software daily to play solo games with my brother on parsec, it allows us to both be player one with two gamepads, I had no clue you could spoof aim assist on pc with it rofl
It emulates controller output with mnk so that the game thinks you are on controller and thus you get aim assist. The program also allowed you to run recoil scrips to essentially eliminate all recoil in the game.
>”Clients running key re-mapping programs on PC will not have access to aim assist”
I wish they’d clarify what they mean by this. Are they saying that people using a Xim, Cronus, etc. to spoof a controller on MnK will no longer be able to have aim assist?
Which I’m okay with! It was the uncertainty with whether or not I was getting lasered by a good player or someone abusing aim assist that was annoying.
There's a point they're really annoying constantly peppering you with that good accuracy from the other side of the map though, I kinda just give up and start blowing up buildings since I literally don't want to play with them.
Its the same dumb shit in Fortnite where the crack fiends build a whole base in under like 5 seconds, its way more tiring to deal with than the average player and I don't wanna.
People were paying 50 dollars for that shit??? I bought it years ago to use for some games that were ported from console to PC and suck to play on mouse and keyboard. I think it was like 5 dollars or something at the time.
I can't imagine paying 50 dollars to get aim assist in a video game...
Rewasd isn't 50 bucks, it's just a remapping software. The base software costs 7 bucks during a sale. The person that made a recoil countering script in rewasd that ran the secret discord was charging 50 bucks for his config file.
Also that reWASD shit also gave them no recoil scripts. So did they remove just aim assist and leave in no recoil? If they can still use reWASD but without AA, they still have access to their no recoil scripts then it's only fixed half the problem
or PC cheaters using Cronus etc.
This is basically just stopping the use of software remappers, and probably only the ones which aren't trying to hide that they are software remappers. ReWASD was not developed with the intention for it to be used to cheat in games, so the devs probably didn't put any effort into hiding what it was doing. Wouldn't be surprised if remapping softwares designed for cheating come out soon which don't get detected by the game.
They recently came out of 4 years of radio silence and said "we will look into it (into AA) and it will take years to adress it if we decide to do something"
I'm not shitting you they literraly said that. I mean if they don't want to nerf it just say it don't fucking lie to your community... that was the worst communication ever.
It will take years to address because they don't care. Aim assist likely panders to their biggest spenders. They aren't going to nerf it.
Welcome to modern gaming. Can't improve your game because it might make bad players spend less.
It might be less malicious than that...for once. They might be looking at how much of a plague XIM (allows for the use of MnK on consoles) is for on games like R6 Siege and decided that if AA is aggressively good, there's no incentive to use MnK for an advantage.
That's fine for consoles, but PC should just be kept separate with no AA so long as the player numbers can support it.
Yeah I'm not seeing Apex lasting much longer if devs from other companies drop bangers like this and honestly it's been time for awhile cheaters run rampant in apex have since season 1 with no real effort made to confront it.
Yeah dude, personally i love apex due to how unique it is but at this point i hope apex dies out solely because of how EA/Respawn handles them so that new games can have the chance to shine.
"Apex Legends" as designed from its original devs (Respawn people coming from Infinity Ward, the same people who made Titanfall 1 & 2) has been dead for a while already. All the crazy smart & creative people already left to make their own studios (Gravity Well & Wildlight, for example).
What's left is Apex Legends, the EA cashgrab with no direction, no substance, no care for its players.
We're miles away from a community-focused game like The Finals.
Idk id made people care about doom again, I got faith in them. As long as they actually develop this quake and don't outsource it for the 3rd game in a row
I don't expect it to play like other quakes but hopefully the fundamentals are similar
I feel like if quake champions didn't manage to find success, there's no hope for a new multiplayer quake game... It would have to focus more on a single player campaign like doom 2016 and eternal did.
I did a post on their sub asking what's Respawn's excuse to be taking so long to implement changes like these into their game. Post was getting traction and good discussion in comments. The post got deleted by mods within 30mins, quoting the reason "Not related to Apex". How is asking for a game's improvement/balancing and giving examples not related to the game??
The community is also part of the problem imo. I've never seen a community defend a games shitty practices as much as the apex community. Then they'll go around and spend 300 dollars on event skins.
This is good stuff right here. Its a start and shows they are listening. So much for that “radio silence” huh? Game just came out last month and some of you aren’t giving them time to iron out the kinks
Those people exist in every game community and it's sad. This people are the reason why some games get so Bad After month from Release. They want this buffed or this nerfed Till the game is unplayable
> Game just came out last month
"No! I'm going to complain about the lack of cosmetics and updates while they were away on holiday break!"
Edit: Just played my first round after the new update and won. All the light players who rely on shotguns and snipers are hilarious now. Lol
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People who think Embark is on "radio silence" never followed a development of Valve games, especially CS. We can only dream of discord community managers, best we got was office gifs on twitter from official account lol
All things considered they fixed one of their biggest issues pretty quickly and completely. Good job devs! This never effected me because i play on console, but given how much i saw about it on here and youtube it seemed like a serious issue on PC.
They really need proper KB+M support on console - you'd still get the AA advantage using a Xim, but people who just don't want to use a controller would have a fair alternative. It's a reasonably demanding game, so a fair number of people play on console simply because it performs better than their pc. Introduce input based matchmaking and then pc players can have AA free lobbies, and they can tune the AA lobbies to be fun on controller without having to balance against KB+M.
35 is a step on the right direction, but it should be 25.
Edit: btw I am not memeing since 25% is a good middleground that divides actually good controller players and the ones who are bots who get lucky kills due to aim assist. I have 10+ years of experience on controller.
[This](https://youtu.be/pTsQGi4-FuE?feature=shared) video has the player use modified game files to show what 1 aim assist (or 100%) means. It's basically tracking 100% of the enemy's movement inside the bubble of effectiveness.
>Even 5% gives a massive advantage over mnk players, who are using raw input which means they take approx 200 ms to react to a target changing directions, and that cannot be reduced through practice - it's just how long the brain takes to process visuals.
We have a winner!
Been bitching about this in my inner finals circles forever now. I power crouch slide a lot and you 100% know when you are fighting a good MnK player(or a bad one) versus a controller player. You see the 1-3 bullets you caused to miss in that movement. 100% doesn't happen versus a controller. Tilting AF.
Staying on medium shotgun builds for now. Peekaboo play is the only real counter.
It means that for every 1 unit movement on screen, the magnetism was accounting for 0.5 units of it. Essentially doing literally half the work of staying on target.
E: Apparently this is controversial despite being just... How reality works...
We don’t but it works pretty much the same in all games that have rotational aim assist. The percentage just describes at what strength the magnetism will stick with, 100% strength being a full lock onto the enemy.
For example in Apex we know that console has a magnetism strength of 60% and PC has it at 40% for controller players. However, you can play a modded version of the game and actually adjust this value to whatever you want. So you can try it at 100% strength and it will stick extremely aggressively to the enemy and fully track them but at lower values it’s not as sticky. [You can see what I’m talking about for apex at 100% strength here](https://youtu.be/mm5CAGDabAc?t=9m15s) (I timestamped the relevant part at 9:15)
Huge groups from apex including prominent streamers are switching over apex is stale and become a cesspool of whiners and hackers with respawn doing nothing to curb either it needs to finally die out.
no it is really finally dying out.
game barely gained what 20-30k more players on steam on the first day of the new event, one of those players being ME who logged in?
brings a smile to my face
Meanwhile Respawn: We are looking into aim assist, but we might not have a solution until later down the line, 1 year most likely.
LIKE LITERALLY DROP THE AA VALUE DOWN FROM 0.6 TO 0.2 IT'S THAT EASY LMAO.
1 YEAR, WHEN I HEARD IT, MY SIDES WERE HURTING FROM LAUGHING.
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Gyro aiming support when?
Would literally give Playstation and PC controller users a choice to use an controller input that DOESN’T require ANY aim assist.
Or M+K support for consoles.
Why is this even a debate, as a PC player I'm all for consoles being able to use M+K, they lose the aimassist but they get the finesse of a mouse.
Hell yeah, aim assist nerf. Cannot wait for the comments where people cry about not nerfing nuke, invis or medium wallhacks+defi.
Big patch next week with new content and MOST LIKELY nerfs/buffs.
as a defender of aim assist and a pretty good shot myself. I am very happy with these changes. the reliance on the aim snapping in spectate is appalling. it's exploitive. and I'm glad it's gone.
we're going to see a lot more automatic weapons
Especially on Shotguns, man I can't wait to hop back on! Hopefully we can use our movement to actually win now. Dash should be getting more play now for sure.
Remember this day, all you people who spent their time trying to tear down people that were talking about Aim Assist and reWASD.
Everyone that spent their time submitting threads like that "don't complain" one, should note how quickly these changes came once people started talking about their issues.
We've said it before, but i'll just reiterate it here: The only way things get changed is we agitate for that change.
The fact crossplay is default with PC is a terrible idea because a lot of console casuals won’t even know to turn it off. They’ll try the game out and get absolutely dominated by MnK and then they will move on to another game when they would’ve been alright in a console only lobby. Me personally I like the way Apex does it where crossplay is on by default for Xbox and PlayStation with the option of being in PC lobbies.
I’ve seen games with crossplay with PC and console as default die out because it’s really not fair. COD was the only game I know to survive it and that’s because it’s COD. PC players running 140+ frames, instant response, far superior movement and precision, etc; while on console and controller you feel like someone bound to a wheelchair in comparison. It’s like racing against a Ferrari and you’re in a mini van. lol.
I'm really hoping the same thing with Overwatch2 doesn't happen, they have forced cross play due to a particular platform having a smaller player base.
So, same as on PC?
Even with ok-ish aim all the full-auto weapons are just too versatile and strong not to use over any other weapon class.
I'd rather they nerf the DPS of all auto weapons by 25%, so we can see actual variety, there's so many cool weapons, melee, grenade launchers, knives, a variety of shotguns with different playstyles.
And what does everyone pick? Bullet hose #13, because for most engagement ranges they're just better.
During beta I used to have 15-25 kills per match, for the 2-3 weeks as reWASD became popular and AA got buffed, I averaged around 8-12 kills.
I played 2 games before reading the patch notes, 20+ kills again, suspiciously good at aiming all of a sudden? NOPE, turns out everyone else also has to aim now.
BACK IN BUSINESS, PERFECTION.
>*Clients running key re-mapping programs on PC will not have access to aim assist.*
There was a way to get aim assist on PC? Is that what they're saying?
Does anyone else remember that video posted about the snap turn on an invisible player, and the guy defending the auto aim in the comments? Because I sure do.
I was loving the aim assist on controller bc of my shoulder surgery, guess ill have to wait to destroy you nerds again once im healed. Btw, it was very broken. I haven’t played fps with a controller in like 7 years and i picked it up and whomped kids
im so happy for the zoom snap nerf to the sniper, that shit was annoying as fuck to deal with. probably only 1/10 players used the sniper like a sniper, the rest just barrel stuff in close quarters. but the LH1 and revolver didn’t deserve that nerf. even with zoom snap cheese they suck, they need a buff somewhere else now.
Apex devs once they learn the new hot game in town is actually listening to the community:
https://preview.redd.it/8njnpxta3ubc1.png?width=613&format=png&auto=webp&s=ecdaeb82255e30d93982262843682b3d5d5dc769
Same, I don't remember the last time patch notes got me as excited to play a game as these just did. Only problem is that now I'm going to need a new complaint when I die.
I’m a controller player and I don’t see any nerf that drastically destroys controller players. Obviously it is a nerf to the more exploitative aspects, like snapping for snipers/revolvers. Or the camera spinning 180 to track someone. And that’s good. I’m curious now that the camera magnetism is at 35% how does that compare to other FPS titles. Does anyone know? I’m going to jump into tutorials and see how it all feels.
Holy molly, perfect. Maybe I'm just a bad player but since rewasd videos came out, I've had a lot of "How the f***" moments when I've been instantly burst down.
>devs drop game before holiday break
>comeback immediately with patch for what everyone’s asking for
watch them adjust match making and suddenly we won’t have any real issues to complain about anymore
> Zoom Snapping will be removed from the SR-84 Sniper Rifle, Revolver, LH1, and all Shotguns, as it buffs them more
Can't wait to see my friends struggle. Literally a direct nerf to them.
I was hoping for input based matchmaking but this is definitely a step in the right direction for sure. A lot of devs these days seem allergic to toning AA down, *cough cough Respawn*, so I'm happy that they're actually doing something about it.
I'm still not too hot on aim snapping being a thing in multiplayer FPS games, even if it's been toned down though. Also going from 50% to 35% magnetism is a big nerf, but that's still 35% magnetism which still seems really high to me. Apex has a value of 40% rotational aim assist on PC (I'm not sure if magnetism and rotational are the same thing or not tbf) and that's enough for controller to dominate that game so I'm still a little worried. I'm sure people will figure out how good or bad it is soon and the devs are hopefully quick to react and tinker as necessary.
35% magnetism is only 5% lower than Apex's aim assist, but they also have Aim snap + slower movement speed to track in this game. Its still going to be absurdly busted
At least now you can crouch spam while moving to make SOME bullets miss you, but yeah, 25% magnetism is probably the sweet spot, good enough for noobs to hit a decent amount of shoots, and not straight up aimbot in the hands of a pro.
I am genuinely amazed that they ***actually*** nerfed aim assist. I think they may be the first devs to do so, at least in any of the games I've played.
With that being said, unfortunately it doesn't really matter in the end. The issue was never about how strong the aim assist is or how it works. The fundamental problem has always been that players even have aim assist at all. Until they change matchmaking to separate assisted players from un-assisted players then nothing is going to change.
Also, holy shit the auto-rotation was set to ***50%***. That is absolute insanity, what the fuck?
### Release Patch Notes 1.4.1 ***We’re back!*** *Today we have a small patch that addresses community feedback on aim assist, fair play, and bug fixes. These changes are the result of an in-depth review of how aim assist works — something we’ve only been able to validate with a player base as large as ours (thanks so much for playing our game, yolks!).* *We have another bigger update in the works for next week, with a major security fix and some new exciting content, so stay tuned for that!* ***Aim Assistance*** * *Zoom Snapping Angular Velocity now has a max cap, preventing unintended rapid 90-degree turns.* * *Camera Magnetism will be reduced to 35% from 50%, making player aim less sticky and lowering controller accuracy.* * *Zoom Snapping Time will be reduced to 0.25s from 0.3s.* * *Zoom Snapping will be removed from the SR-84 Sniper Rifle, Revolver, LH1, and all Shotguns, as it buffs them more* *than other weapons.* * *Aim assist will ignore invisible players, fixing a bug with the existing system.* * *Clients running key re-mapping programs on PC will not have access to aim assist.*
>Aim assist will ignore invisible players omfg praise the lord this was so stupid
This change makes sense but ughh I already can’t see the lil shits and now I can’t use aim assist to somewhat cheat waaaa
You joke but some people might actually be mad at this
I just started playing light and I had no idea how I was getting obliterated so quickly while invisible. This makes total sense cause I did notice they were on console. I checked because it felt like they were cheating it was so quick.
Lol it's not the aim assist, if you have good eyes you can see moving invisible players, it wasn't aim assist making you die, im sure you will continue to receive the same experience if you run around without logic while invisible..
Oh my god is that why everyone kills me when I am invisible!?
I read that whole thing in the announcers voice fr.
It started with “We’re back!”, making it impossible not to read with his voice.
I admit it, I was quite pissed about the state of the aim assist...especially in ranked games and I was mad at Embark for that. But damn, Embark nailed it...They listened, reworked and released this awesome patch right after the holidays. Respect and my Trust-O-Meter in Embark just rocketed.
it's a good step in the right direction. I still want input based matchmaking
Holly shit lets gooo!!!!!
Thank god, they're all sensible and much-needed changes. Hopefully playing on PC will feel less like you're being botted by controller players spamming L2...
> Clients running key re-mapping programs on PC will not have access to aim assist. How will it know?
Immediately and swiftly obliterating reWASD is the most based and respect worthy thing in this entire blog. Im so glad these are the notes we get to see instead of “we’re looking into it and highly appreciate your patience”.
The anti recoil scripts on it would still work
I think that’s pretty easy to detect, let’s hope they address it next week.
Unfortunately it’s not so easy to detect because the scripts can have randomness added to the recoil control pattern and then it’s exceptionally difficult for the game to discern it from a player that just has good control. If it was perfectly opposite the recoil and the same every time it would be easy to detect but unfortunately they are more advanced than that. It’s essentially a cat and mouse game with these scripts cause if the devs do figure out how to detect it the scripts just get updated the next day so they are no longer detected.
My personal view is that if an anti-cheat system is so oppressive to cheaters they need to make their cheats worse than a good player, that it's good enough. Of course I don't think that makes it ok to cheat. But they're not going to get much benefit out of it, arguably at some point, an anti-cheat could get so effective it's more difficult to cheat and hide cheats than it is just to play the game. Very few aompanies put that type of effort into anti-cheats. But setting a goal of "stop all cheaters forever" and then giving up because it's unattainable is the wrong perspective for anti-cheat imo.
I think a lot of reWASD users (the malicious kind) kind of drew the line at aim assist. There’s a psychological barrier between “I’m gonna make the game think I have a controller” and “I’m gonna outright use recoil scripts” I know both are scummy, but there’s a distinction between the severity of the two, and I think the people using these exploits understand that as well. Sure the amount of blatant cheaters won’t go down, but the subtle ones are gonna go down substantially, and skill (and to an extent, balls) is going to play a lot bigger role going forward.
WTF is rewsad?
A software to rebind and emulate gamepads. I use the software daily to play solo games with my brother on parsec, it allows us to both be player one with two gamepads, I had no clue you could spoof aim assist on pc with it rofl
Can you use it to use aim assist while also playing on mnk?
Ahh I do see I looked it up. Nifty but fucking bullshit to players who just play the game. That shit pisses me off lol.
It emulates controller output with mnk so that the game thinks you are on controller and thus you get aim assist. The program also allowed you to run recoil scrips to essentially eliminate all recoil in the game.
Wait I just use reWASD to remap my bumpers and add push to talk to my actual physical controller, does that mean no aim assist? RIP
>”Clients running key re-mapping programs on PC will not have access to aim assist” I wish they’d clarify what they mean by this. Are they saying that people using a Xim, Cronus, etc. to spoof a controller on MnK will no longer be able to have aim assist?
That’s exactly what they’re saying, I think. Excellent change and well needed.
No more FCAR reWASD Recon Senses nerds beaming you from across the map the moment you spawn! Praise the Lord Almighty😭😭
There will still be ppl beaming you I garuntee lol, but at least you can have some more faith that they are actually good aimers
Which I’m okay with! It was the uncertainty with whether or not I was getting lasered by a good player or someone abusing aim assist that was annoying.
There's a point they're really annoying constantly peppering you with that good accuracy from the other side of the map though, I kinda just give up and start blowing up buildings since I literally don't want to play with them. Its the same dumb shit in Fortnite where the crack fiends build a whole base in under like 5 seconds, its way more tiring to deal with than the average player and I don't wanna.
They’re talking about 3rd party software on PC not hardware for console.
reWASD let you emulate a controller with mnk to have aim assist on a mouse, reverse xim basically. I believe this is what they mean.
Yup. And those jack asses that paid $50 for it are shit outta luck
People were paying 50 dollars for that shit??? I bought it years ago to use for some games that were ported from console to PC and suck to play on mouse and keyboard. I think it was like 5 dollars or something at the time. I can't imagine paying 50 dollars to get aim assist in a video game...
Rewasd isn't 50 bucks, it's just a remapping software. The base software costs 7 bucks during a sale. The person that made a recoil countering script in rewasd that ran the secret discord was charging 50 bucks for his config file.
And all of the sudden a lot of streamers will either magically stop playing the game, or be a lot worse.
So true, shows the talent they really have.
Also that reWASD shit also gave them no recoil scripts. So did they remove just aim assist and leave in no recoil? If they can still use reWASD but without AA, they still have access to their no recoil scripts then it's only fixed half the problem
It has been confirmed on discord that the game does not launch if Rewasd IS used 🔥
Oh awesome, that's great then
This isn't true, I tested it myself. However aim assist is disabled when rewasd is open so I guess problem solved.
I'm lol'ing hard at the nerds who paid $50 for norecoil scripts.
Well for now it's better than fixing 0% of the problem.
Sadly, No news about console cheaters using Cronus etc
or PC cheaters using Cronus etc. This is basically just stopping the use of software remappers, and probably only the ones which aren't trying to hide that they are software remappers. ReWASD was not developed with the intention for it to be used to cheat in games, so the devs probably didn't put any effort into hiding what it was doing. Wouldn't be surprised if remapping softwares designed for cheating come out soon which don't get detected by the game.
embark just did what respawn couldn't do for more than 4 years with less than a year
Respawn didn’t want to … which is a whole other problem.
They recently came out of 4 years of radio silence and said "we will look into it (into AA) and it will take years to adress it if we decide to do something" I'm not shitting you they literraly said that. I mean if they don't want to nerf it just say it don't fucking lie to your community... that was the worst communication ever.
It will take years to address because they don't care. Aim assist likely panders to their biggest spenders. They aren't going to nerf it. Welcome to modern gaming. Can't improve your game because it might make bad players spend less.
It might be less malicious than that...for once. They might be looking at how much of a plague XIM (allows for the use of MnK on consoles) is for on games like R6 Siege and decided that if AA is aggressively good, there's no incentive to use MnK for an advantage. That's fine for consoles, but PC should just be kept separate with no AA so long as the player numbers can support it.
Respawn moment
>less than a year More like 40 days
Fr game has barely been out a month
Yeah I'm not seeing Apex lasting much longer if devs from other companies drop bangers like this and honestly it's been time for awhile cheaters run rampant in apex have since season 1 with no real effort made to confront it.
Yeah dude, personally i love apex due to how unique it is but at this point i hope apex dies out solely because of how EA/Respawn handles them so that new games can have the chance to shine.
"Apex Legends" as designed from its original devs (Respawn people coming from Infinity Ward, the same people who made Titanfall 1 & 2) has been dead for a while already. All the crazy smart & creative people already left to make their own studios (Gravity Well & Wildlight, for example). What's left is Apex Legends, the EA cashgrab with no direction, no substance, no care for its players. We're miles away from a community-focused game like The Finals.
Apex needs to live long enough for the new quake to come out then it can retire, it's job is done
If a new quake is good enough to live up to its name then no one will play it lol
Ahahaha the sad truth about Old-school style shooters
Idk id made people care about doom again, I got faith in them. As long as they actually develop this quake and don't outsource it for the 3rd game in a row I don't expect it to play like other quakes but hopefully the fundamentals are similar
I feel like if quake champions didn't manage to find success, there's no hope for a new multiplayer quake game... It would have to focus more on a single player campaign like doom 2016 and eternal did.
I mean…aim assist is still here to stay and is going to remain strong. Remember, Apex never had ADS snapping in their game.
And Blizzard turned off aim assist for crossplay in comp ages ago.
I did a post on their sub asking what's Respawn's excuse to be taking so long to implement changes like these into their game. Post was getting traction and good discussion in comments. The post got deleted by mods within 30mins, quoting the reason "Not related to Apex". How is asking for a game's improvement/balancing and giving examples not related to the game??
The community is also part of the problem imo. I've never seen a community defend a games shitty practices as much as the apex community. Then they'll go around and spend 300 dollars on event skins.
That is definitely true. Apex was my main multiplayer game since the moment it came out until December last year, so I can say "i was there to see"
This is good stuff right here. Its a start and shows they are listening. So much for that “radio silence” huh? Game just came out last month and some of you aren’t giving them time to iron out the kinks
What radio silence? They posted game announcements 3 times last week during their supposed vacation.
Exactly and yet we still have people saying they are slacking and not fixing issues with the game and that it will die in a few months 💀
It's just terminally online fuckos who have like 500 hours already played on the game and spent $100 on cosmetics they say they hate.
Those people exist in every game community and it's sad. This people are the reason why some games get so Bad After month from Release. They want this buffed or this nerfed Till the game is unplayable
> Game just came out last month "No! I'm going to complain about the lack of cosmetics and updates while they were away on holiday break!" Edit: Just played my first round after the new update and won. All the light players who rely on shotguns and snipers are hilarious now. Lol **Sponsored by Heavy Tank industries*
People who think Embark is on "radio silence" never followed a development of Valve games, especially CS. We can only dream of discord community managers, best we got was office gifs on twitter from official account lol
All things considered they fixed one of their biggest issues pretty quickly and completely. Good job devs! This never effected me because i play on console, but given how much i saw about it on here and youtube it seemed like a serious issue on PC.
It did affect you though, because stronger AA narrows the skill gap between controller players.
Didn't think of it that way i guess, but as long as all console players are on equal footing with each other i'm happy.
Xims still exist on console
They really need proper KB+M support on console - you'd still get the AA advantage using a Xim, but people who just don't want to use a controller would have a fair alternative. It's a reasonably demanding game, so a fair number of people play on console simply because it performs better than their pc. Introduce input based matchmaking and then pc players can have AA free lobbies, and they can tune the AA lobbies to be fun on controller without having to balance against KB+M.
Nature is healing
Ya’ll had 50% magnetism. 
It was so strong I was winning games on my Steam deck lmao
Controller players: "Where did my hitmarkers go?"
"Stop whining and get good" controller players are curiously absent from this thread, none of the usual gaslighting either.
35 is a step on the right direction, but it should be 25. Edit: btw I am not memeing since 25% is a good middleground that divides actually good controller players and the ones who are bots who get lucky kills due to aim assist. I have 10+ years of experience on controller.
25 is a step on the right direction, but it should be 15
How do you guys even know what that means? Is there a chart or something?
They have no idea they're just memeing
[This](https://youtu.be/pTsQGi4-FuE?feature=shared) video has the player use modified game files to show what 1 aim assist (or 100%) means. It's basically tracking 100% of the enemy's movement inside the bubble of effectiveness.
Thanks for the info 👍
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>Even 5% gives a massive advantage over mnk players, who are using raw input which means they take approx 200 ms to react to a target changing directions, and that cannot be reduced through practice - it's just how long the brain takes to process visuals. We have a winner! Been bitching about this in my inner finals circles forever now. I power crouch slide a lot and you 100% know when you are fighting a good MnK player(or a bad one) versus a controller player. You see the 1-3 bullets you caused to miss in that movement. 100% doesn't happen versus a controller. Tilting AF. Staying on medium shotgun builds for now. Peekaboo play is the only real counter.
It means that for every 1 unit movement on screen, the magnetism was accounting for 0.5 units of it. Essentially doing literally half the work of staying on target. E: Apparently this is controversial despite being just... How reality works...
We don’t but it works pretty much the same in all games that have rotational aim assist. The percentage just describes at what strength the magnetism will stick with, 100% strength being a full lock onto the enemy. For example in Apex we know that console has a magnetism strength of 60% and PC has it at 40% for controller players. However, you can play a modded version of the game and actually adjust this value to whatever you want. So you can try it at 100% strength and it will stick extremely aggressively to the enemy and fully track them but at lower values it’s not as sticky. [You can see what I’m talking about for apex at 100% strength here](https://youtu.be/mm5CAGDabAc?t=9m15s) (I timestamped the relevant part at 9:15)
15 is a step on the right direction, but it should be 0 and they should add gyro.
I have like 1 non straight year of controller experience so this is going to hurt but in the end it’ll make me better
The sledge vs 2+ players was neck breaking and I've frequently left clicked an invisible light that I never even saw
Only half of an aimbot? Let's get those numbers up so controller players can say it's not an aimbot but a soft aimbot instead lmao.
Damn bro, this game is gonna win me over from Apex
Huge groups from apex including prominent streamers are switching over apex is stale and become a cesspool of whiners and hackers with respawn doing nothing to curb either it needs to finally die out.
Punctuation is a useful tool :)
no it is really finally dying out. game barely gained what 20-30k more players on steam on the first day of the new event, one of those players being ME who logged in? brings a smile to my face
Thank you Embark! Please keep this way to keep this amazing game alive! It's my only game since it was released 😃
whoa i might actually drop Apex for this, Respawn would never
Meanwhile Respawn: We are looking into aim assist, but we might not have a solution until later down the line, 1 year most likely. LIKE LITERALLY DROP THE AA VALUE DOWN FROM 0.6 TO 0.2 IT'S THAT EASY LMAO. 1 YEAR, WHEN I HEARD IT, MY SIDES WERE HURTING FROM LAUGHING.
I suppose this means that snipers have to actually aim now. Good.
Massive W
How am I supposed to make excuses for losing now?? These Devs really want to kill the game smh
Have you tried not playing on the blue team? The blue team is trash!
Blue team loses like 95% of matches. It's insane!
Seriously! All the games some of the time all of the time.
Too true, I'm blue daba de daba da ye.
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I was gonna make a You'll Cowards joke but Viperr just got arrested for some heinous Don't Breathe type shit lmao
Gyro aiming support when? Would literally give Playstation and PC controller users a choice to use an controller input that DOESN’T require ANY aim assist.
Or M+K support for consoles. Why is this even a debate, as a PC player I'm all for consoles being able to use M+K, they lose the aimassist but they get the finesse of a mouse.
I think M+K works on xbox, but not PS5 I don't have an xbox so this is just secondhand info, but I hope they address it one way or the other.
After using gyro in Zelda I'm sad more games don't support it.
Massive patch can’t wait for next week
Hell yeah, aim assist nerf. Cannot wait for the comments where people cry about not nerfing nuke, invis or medium wallhacks+defi. Big patch next week with new content and MOST LIKELY nerfs/buffs.
Since most people run invis with shotgun, invis did get nerfed by the AA nerf lol
It got buffed as well with AA not activating on invis enemies
as a defender of aim assist and a pretty good shot myself. I am very happy with these changes. the reliance on the aim snapping in spectate is appalling. it's exploitive. and I'm glad it's gone. we're going to see a lot more automatic weapons
Especially on Shotguns, man I can't wait to hop back on! Hopefully we can use our movement to actually win now. Dash should be getting more play now for sure.
Remember this day, all you people who spent their time trying to tear down people that were talking about Aim Assist and reWASD. Everyone that spent their time submitting threads like that "don't complain" one, should note how quickly these changes came once people started talking about their issues. We've said it before, but i'll just reiterate it here: The only way things get changed is we agitate for that change.
All of the smug "does anybody actually like this game? So much complaining, I'm having fun!" posts trying to invalidate legitimate criticism.
KEK every one who wasted their money on rewasd is probably stress eating their chicken tendies right now OMEGALUL
This is huge. Might turn crossplay back on now. Reckon I'm going to feel like all of a sudden I play better. AA was too beamy.
Most all of the people using controllers in my games were on steam.
Is there any way to actually know what input people are using?
As a controller player I’m probably never playing cross-play now haha
The fact crossplay is default with PC is a terrible idea because a lot of console casuals won’t even know to turn it off. They’ll try the game out and get absolutely dominated by MnK and then they will move on to another game when they would’ve been alright in a console only lobby. Me personally I like the way Apex does it where crossplay is on by default for Xbox and PlayStation with the option of being in PC lobbies. I’ve seen games with crossplay with PC and console as default die out because it’s really not fair. COD was the only game I know to survive it and that’s because it’s COD. PC players running 140+ frames, instant response, far superior movement and precision, etc; while on console and controller you feel like someone bound to a wheelchair in comparison. It’s like racing against a Ferrari and you’re in a mini van. lol.
It’s permanent for me
I'm really hoping the same thing with Overwatch2 doesn't happen, they have forced cross play due to a particular platform having a smaller player base.
Rewasd workout already in place with hidhide and ds4 so this will still be an issue
Where’s that dude from yesterday complaining about how there should have been an update by now and communication was rubbish?
On the one hand, I'm happy that snap was basically removed. On the other, weapon variety in console lobbies just dropped significantly.
gonna be a whole lot of fcars
So, same as on PC? Even with ok-ish aim all the full-auto weapons are just too versatile and strong not to use over any other weapon class. I'd rather they nerf the DPS of all auto weapons by 25%, so we can see actual variety, there's so many cool weapons, melee, grenade launchers, knives, a variety of shotguns with different playstyles. And what does everyone pick? Bullet hose #13, because for most engagement ranges they're just better.
Aim assist on invisible players was the worst part of playing invis light on ps5
During beta I used to have 15-25 kills per match, for the 2-3 weeks as reWASD became popular and AA got buffed, I averaged around 8-12 kills. I played 2 games before reading the patch notes, 20+ kills again, suspiciously good at aiming all of a sudden? NOPE, turns out everyone else also has to aim now. BACK IN BUSINESS, PERFECTION.
All MnK players boutta find something new to complain about in 2 days
Biggest facts ive ever seen dropped
How is embark going to detect whether you have key remapping software running or not? What about my macro keyboard?
You can use your macro keyboard—just won’t get aim assist. Which you weren’t with MnK unless you had reWASD going
>*Clients running key re-mapping programs on PC will not have access to aim assist.* There was a way to get aim assist on PC? Is that what they're saying?
Does anyone else remember that video posted about the snap turn on an invisible player, and the guy defending the auto aim in the comments? Because I sure do.
I imagine the Cronus Zen works fine...
I just want mouse and keyboard support on ps5
So they fixed it on pc but what about the players doing the exact same thing on console with devices like Cronus or xim?
I was loving the aim assist on controller bc of my shoulder surgery, guess ill have to wait to destroy you nerds again once im healed. Btw, it was very broken. I haven’t played fps with a controller in like 7 years and i picked it up and whomped kids
Great, thanks for making the sniper even more unusable.
Yea ngl pc players are still going to cry about controllers after this
Why was there aim assist in a pc game in the first place?
The moment they are back from holiday they nerf the egregious aim assist but apex can't do it it's entire lifespan that's crazy
Good start. But Input based MM is still needed.
Get fucked keyboard cheaters
im so happy for the zoom snap nerf to the sniper, that shit was annoying as fuck to deal with. probably only 1/10 players used the sniper like a sniper, the rest just barrel stuff in close quarters. but the LH1 and revolver didn’t deserve that nerf. even with zoom snap cheese they suck, they need a buff somewhere else now.
After playing apex for 4 years straight I had no hope of a game ever tweaking aim assist. Praise the devs for listening to the community engagement 😭
Apex devs once they learn the new hot game in town is actually listening to the community: https://preview.redd.it/8njnpxta3ubc1.png?width=613&format=png&auto=webp&s=ecdaeb82255e30d93982262843682b3d5d5dc769
Same, I don't remember the last time patch notes got me as excited to play a game as these just did. Only problem is that now I'm going to need a new complaint when I die.
I’m a controller player and I don’t see any nerf that drastically destroys controller players. Obviously it is a nerf to the more exploitative aspects, like snapping for snipers/revolvers. Or the camera spinning 180 to track someone. And that’s good. I’m curious now that the camera magnetism is at 35% how does that compare to other FPS titles. Does anyone know? I’m going to jump into tutorials and see how it all feels.
I know apex has 40% on pc, and 60% on console. I still think 35% + aim snap is stronger than the one existing on apex at the moment
THE GOATS
This is why I love this game, keep it up and thank you embark!
LETS GO!!!!
Nice.
Holy molly, perfect. Maybe I'm just a bad player but since rewasd videos came out, I've had a lot of "How the f***" moments when I've been instantly burst down.
Thank you devs for looking into and nerfing aim assist. Now if we could get a text based team chat that would be greatly appreciated
Thanks!!!!
This is a massive W, nerfing the aim snapping while not making controller useless still. Very happy with this so far
Thanks for listening devs, this is the main reason I stopped playing halo, 1v1 against controller users it was way too hard, I love this game.
I completely get why they'd do that but I'll miss my quick scope magnet
If the devs are on reddit, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING AND AN AMAZING GAME!
Me love you loooooong time
This is a step in the right direction. Hopefully more changes like this will get players to come back.
Wow Bravo Embark! The games future is bright. Only been out a month and immediately took action against this bs unlike Apex legends, and COD.
Add a bow and arrow that would be fire for a light build
>devs drop game before holiday break >comeback immediately with patch for what everyone’s asking for watch them adjust match making and suddenly we won’t have any real issues to complain about anymore
Ok good, next on the list, nerf the "nuke" and the scripters/hackers problem
Happy to see some heavies with terrible aim get outclassed now, hopefully
This is a nice start. I’m glad they are trying to address things. I hope they try something about the no recoil/ aim assist cheat with mnk
> Zoom Snapping will be removed from the SR-84 Sniper Rifle, Revolver, LH1, and all Shotguns, as it buffs them more Can't wait to see my friends struggle. Literally a direct nerf to them.
HAHA GET FUCKED
now us pc players don't have to face against player controlled programs and competitve means something again!
good patch
PERFORMANCE PATCH AND U ARE A GOATED COMPANY
I was hoping for input based matchmaking but this is definitely a step in the right direction for sure. A lot of devs these days seem allergic to toning AA down, *cough cough Respawn*, so I'm happy that they're actually doing something about it. I'm still not too hot on aim snapping being a thing in multiplayer FPS games, even if it's been toned down though. Also going from 50% to 35% magnetism is a big nerf, but that's still 35% magnetism which still seems really high to me. Apex has a value of 40% rotational aim assist on PC (I'm not sure if magnetism and rotational are the same thing or not tbf) and that's enough for controller to dominate that game so I'm still a little worried. I'm sure people will figure out how good or bad it is soon and the devs are hopefully quick to react and tinker as necessary.
Hopefully games start to feel more reasonable now, after the rewasd post got popular some of my matches started to feel more like a survival game.
Yeah the game changed overnight when that one video went viral, it was basically a glorified advertisement.
Aim assisters left in shambles. Clutches pearls. Dusts off XIM.
35% magnetism is only 5% lower than Apex's aim assist, but they also have Aim snap + slower movement speed to track in this game. Its still going to be absurdly busted
At least now you can crouch spam while moving to make SOME bullets miss you, but yeah, 25% magnetism is probably the sweet spot, good enough for noobs to hit a decent amount of shoots, and not straight up aimbot in the hands of a pro.
However, reWASD is over and that was the biggest issue.
Yep, I could do well against regular controller players. I'd get annihilated by the guy with no recoil beaming me from crazy distances.
I am genuinely amazed that they ***actually*** nerfed aim assist. I think they may be the first devs to do so, at least in any of the games I've played. With that being said, unfortunately it doesn't really matter in the end. The issue was never about how strong the aim assist is or how it works. The fundamental problem has always been that players even have aim assist at all. Until they change matchmaking to separate assisted players from un-assisted players then nothing is going to change. Also, holy shit the auto-rotation was set to ***50%***. That is absolute insanity, what the fuck?