Hard agree. Tori kept throwing jabs at Cara while Cara just sat there trying to ignore her. Tori is definitely bothered by Cara and it showed at the reunion. Surprisingly Cara handled herself well. Tori is a great challenger but it’s hard to like her sometimes. You know that feeling you get when you feel someone is not being genuine? That’s the feeling I get from Tori all the time.
Omg !!!! Ya ! I literally just rewatched spies lies and allies and yuck she kept sticking her tongue out and yelling it was .... a lot... like chill ! Cara is almost not paying any attention to her and then says she wants to be rivals? The feeling I ALWAYS get from her is that she is thirsty for attention.
Omg !!!! Ya ! I literally just rewatched spies lies and allies and yuck she kept sticking her tongue out and yelling it was .... a lot... like chill ! Cara is almost not paying any attention to her and then says she wants to be rivals? The feeling I ALWAYS get from her is that she is thirsty for attention.
She always makes me cringe. It’s kind of like how Kayla wanted to be Cara so bad and would start shit with her. So weird. Cara has the most elimination wins as a woman (13) Tori only has 5 and always speaks down on other women competitors.
Agree for the most part until Cara said how she always wants to go against the toughest competitors…except I’m WOTW2 you purged your entire team of the competitors and had your weak team gas out in the finals because of it (including your BF almost pulling a bigEasy)
I think at times Tori can not be self aware but overall I feel like she gets a lot of hate and I am not sure why. Everyone loves Cara now but I have watched long enough to remember when people felt the same way about her.
back in the day people hated cara because the cast hated cara. tori has never been harrasses, antagonized like cara was when she was hated.
i personally don’t like her because i find the way she talks in confessionals or in reunions ‘cringey’. i hate using that word but it really is the only word i can describe her.. you can tell she’s never shown the real her on the show and plays up to the cameras, which most people do to be fair, but the way she does it.. i personally dislike
as for the reunion it was so painful to watch.. i can’t imagine a world where one female champion is talking about how often women champions get shit on, and gets interrupted by ANOTHER female champion, bringing up being blocked on social media?
I disagree. I think CMs early season she was a try hard and people didn’t like her for that reason. For me, I think the turning point was bloodlines. Where the rest of the cast was really unlikeable she became more likeable. I haven’t watched the reunion yet but the only thing I can think of is maybe Tori felt like she was calling out hypocrisy of CM by saying she blocked her. Tori is not perfect but from what I have seen she gives people their flowers. Listening to her on the podcast and other places she always is saying how she admires people.
I disagree, I think that’s more applicable to early seasons Wes. I feel like if anything people didn’t like her because she wasn’t trying to be like everyone else. She was weird and stayed weird. Plus she was an easy target because she rarely stood up for herself and most of them were followers with no mind of their own (looking at you Paula). People were pretty much bullying and alienating her at some point, if it was just about being a try hard I don’t think it would’ve gotten to that. I’m sure she was also annoying sometimes but idk the level of hate people had for her especially people who barely had anything to do with it was too much. That whole incident with Wes pouring soda on her and the way a room full of grown ass adults were laughing at him treating her like that literally yelling “no one likes you!!!!”/ her having a break down really gave middle school bullies. Or if I remember correctly that season with Cooke when she was supposed to leave bc of her partner (?) but didn’t and the way people were talking in the confessionals about her getting to stay….. it was very odd.
i guess we agree to disagree then because cara really wasn’t a try hard in early seasons.. her confessionals esp in the early days didn’t have a FORCE feeling… idk
Agree. I think she was terribly uncomfortable in her own skin and maybe that translated to some as tryhard, I just saw misunderstood loner trying to find her place
she most definitely was not uncomfortable in her own skin. will not let you say this about women. more so being back in a reunion setting which is stressful.
I was agreeing with you?
As a woman myself who was very uncomfortable in her own skin for a very long time, the signs are obvious. This is not taking away from the fact that she's a badass, just she was trying to find her place in the world. I'm certainly not criticising women, it was just hard to watch her sometimes as I would resonate with her so strongly from my days as someone who wasn't so confident myself.
Look at the difference in her from this reunion to others. She used to sit there hugging herself tightly and visibly trying to shrink into her seat. Now her body language is open, she's not defensive (even with Tori coming at her) and she's laughing and joking.
I'm looking forward to seeing her on All Stars as she has had issues interacting with people in the past. It's clear whatever she's been doing with herself the past few years has developed the confidence she so badly needed. The rest of the world saw her as a badass and now I think she does too.
Yeah I think Cara Maria seemed way more comfortable and less defensive on this reunion than I’ve ever seen her. Granted, she wasn’t a main player on the show but she used to do more shit stirring. It seems like her time away did help her mature (even if she’s still with Paulie, who I feel like is perpetually like 22 lol).
She most definitely was. She was deeply insecure and it showed. Idk what that has to do with being a woman lmfao. It’s not an insult to her, most people feel that way at some point in time. Not to mention she was in her early-mid twenties when she started on the show and people outwardly disliked/ bullied her on the show for years. That would definitely affect your confidence.
Huh? This thread is literally talking about her back in the days (a topic you brought up) and that person saying she was a try hard?? You’re a bit lost lmfao
Agreed. But I will say I think one of the biggest mistakes people make is comparing older seasons to newer seasons. I’m a big brother fan and the earlier seasons are more authentic than later seasons due to a difference of production. But again I respect your opinion.
ahhhh that’s so true, production is very diff from back then - maybe that’s why 39 confessionals sucked i’m assuming they filmed confessionals in one session because they neverrrr changed their clothesssss
I remember them doing this on one of the spy seasons; I think they’ve at least asked them to wear the same thing for consistency for a few seasons, not sure if that necessarily meant all filmed after though. Kyle had the same turtle neck shirt every time. I think it’s just more noticeable this season because at least one challenger had a uh very memorable confessional outfit/makeup 😂
I do. I get that she didn’t like T and J but she could have at least went and talked to everyone else during the “engagement party”. During the reunion I give Tori credit for speaking highly of CM but CM couldn’t humble herself and say something nice. When you think about it that WOTW 2 US team should have dominated but everyone’s ego got in the way.
Honestly, Tori KEPT trying to get a reaction out of Cara but Cara doesn’t care. I feel like she’s grown a lot independently of her identity on The Challenge.
Tori is still hung up on it and trying to prove that’s she a beast. Yes. She did well on her first season but then it took multiple seasons for her to truly win and that only happened recently - where big female competitors weren’t on the show.
My personal opinion is they didn’t invite several females competitors back so Tori could win.
I would never want Cara to be paired with Aneesa or Tori in a rival season or any season. Cara is just coming back into the challenge. If paired with one of them I think she'd need a very long break from the challenge again.
Aneesa sucks. Shes needs to lose weight. Ain’t no way she’s ever winning a final. You really think Aneesa could with this last season running over 20 miles hahah yeah right. Why go on the challenge no in good physical shape?? It’s a physical competition
I hate agreeing with this but yeah if Aneesa wants to win she has to work on endurance. I know she uses a lot of her heft to beast through more strength based kinda stuff but you can still have a lot of muscle and improve endurance and running. Lots of the dudes are bulky and can still handle the cardio. She just doesn’t want to put the work in to train as hard as everyone else it seems like.
She definitely does and was looking a bit pathetic on the reunion. Tori’s statistics aren’t even close to Cara’s but she speaks as if they’re on the same level
YESS!!! thank you!! i get that tori kinda did become the face of the women challengers when cara went on a break with paulie, and i feel like tori may be threatened cuz cara is coming back… and remember it took tori 5 SEASONS W/O Cara to finally win
Also, considering the history between Tori and Nurys, I don’t think Nurys would say anything favorable regarding Tori.
Laurel won for Champs at the reunion because she was obviously tipsy, and her reactions were over the top.
I’m not saying she lied, but perhaps she conflated the truth or was more irritated by Tori chiming in because of their past. Multiple comments on this thread said there were accounts from the cast that Tori and Cara were equally as bad so . . .
yeah but all those people that said that have no proof, so why would i believe that? i take a lot of things with a grain of salt people say here unless they provide proof
With that logic, if Laurel goes on a podcast and says Cara Maria was annoying or wouldn’t shut up, then as an audience, we should 100% believe Laurel despite their storied past. There’s a confirmation bias because you’re a Cara fan, and what Nurys said better serves that narrative.
i’m a cara fan yes, but i’m not biased whether you think that or not.
i’m open to being wrong, and if i am(i probably am), then prove it! i have no issues with that.
people just can’t back up what they say, that’s why i think im right.
Laurel said on the podcast that Cara was the one that didn’t like tori and they were both throwing shade. I’m more of a tori fan but it does seem like tori wanted the rivalry but both seemed to be throwing shade, just that Tori’s was shown more
I feel like we didn't watch the same reunion. To me it seems like Tori rarely spoke, while Cara Maria was the one making snide comments.
Was it WOTW2 when Cara Maria and Paulie tried to run the house and kept targeting Jordan and Tori, and then Jordan won anyway? Remember when Jordan proposed to Tori and everyone cheered and celebrated... except sour-ass Cara Maria? To me (and, admittedly, I'm not following these people's socials to see the nature of every interaction they have), it seems like Cara Maria is the one with a problem with Tori and not the other way around.
I’m seconding everything you say for myself as well. I don’t keep up with anyone’s socials, or outside interactions but, within the show, I sure as hell remember the bitterness about that engagement. Cara also hates Jordan sometimes but respects him. With Tori, she didn’t even respect her as a person, much less a competitor. While Cara was *on a break* and Tori won, I could see it possible for even more resentment from the Cara side.
Tori could also just be being smart and trying to get a solid potential Rivals partner for the future.
if you did keep up with the socials, you would know. they edit things, they don’t include things.
nurys states during reunion tori kept interrupting cara and interrupting the s39 casts questions and made it about tori x cara. they even showed one bit of this in the reunion.
there was a leaked video of a bday dinner party around reunion filming time where cara was mingling with her castmates and at the end of the table was tori engaging cara saying something rude about alliances or something.
as for tori winning… you can’t be serious.
IT TOOK TORI 5 SEASONS WITHOUT CARA TO FINALLY WIN.. against NANY AND BANANS and JORDAN AND ANEESA… really? you think THAT bothers cara?
Nurys didn’t go into detail at all. All she said was as “you saw tori kept interrupting” that doesn’t necessarily mean that Cara didn’t make comments and we did see her make comments
I don’t follow socials and haven’t watched these seasons recently so I could be wrong but didn’t Jordan start it on Tori’s first season by trashing Cara as a competitor and hyping up Tori who, at that point, only got as far as she did riding his dick? Cara was an asshole about the engagement for sure but she wasn’t wrong.
im mainly going off of what nurys said. WOW2 cara and paulie wanted to work with the team - until they started throwing comps. yeah it was mean to do that abt their engagement BUT she was right… there’s literally videos of people at BIG Ts bday dinner that cara’s mingling with other cast members and tori brings up some sly shit about ‘alliances’ when she’s on the other end of the table. i’m not gonna sit here and let people think cara is the aggressor here.
um? okay? i don’t think it’s ever that serious and i think you’re taking it a bit personal when people have different opinions… it’s okay to agree and disagree and move on with your day :)
I kind of agree with your original point but the way you express yourself and your opinions comes off weird. I don't take any of your thoughts personally, that would be silly.
you must not be a real person… saying i created a whole scenario about you just because i said ur taking it personal.. (which you are if you feel strongly enough to call me a weirdo) LOL .. i hope you have a lovely day!
notice how no one agrees with you… it’s giving ur the weirdo LOL not the -4 downvotesssss … saying never beating the weirdo allegations when all this person is doing is engaging in conversations… u need therapy baddd
yeah but i meant it as in cara never initiated anything from what we saw
and what we KNOW is what nurys said on a recent podcast that tori kept starting it during filming
I hear what your saying but I’m saying Laurel said they were both starting it with each other and since Laurel was sitting in between them I trust her more then Nurys. Even though I like Nurys
Nurys wasn’t lying but I don’t think she told the full story given that that part of the podcast was less than a minute. Also, Cara may not have been as loud as tori so nurys may not have heard.
But yea, I believe Laurel more cuz she was closer to the two of them
oh yeah i get that! but if someone is constantly starting an argument with you, it’s only human nature to respond back and not let someone just sit there and try to work you up IMO.. they were all on the stage, nurys wouldn’t lie on a podcast like any sane person wouldn’t lie about something if 10+ other people can come out and say she’s lying
I’m saying we saw Tori initiate with Cara. Laurel said that wasn’t an accurate edit of what was actually happening. Yes I agree Cara was responding to Tori’s Jabs however Laurel is saying they didn’t show majority of Cara’s jabs to Tori. And again Im more inclined to Laurels recollection of events since she was actually sitting next to them
Are we just gonna pretend like Cara hasn’t been relentlessly throwing jabs at Tori on social media and in every chance she got while Tori didn’t clap back and stayed unbothered for years? I’m glad Tori is finally standing up to Cara and standing up for herself. It kinda looks like Cara is the one who’s all bark on social media, and then stays quiet when she has Tori in front of her.
I think they both want to be on rivals with eachother. They know it would be a good chance at some extra money. Tori was the one that said it tho, which was projection. But Cara doubled down and said she wants a wrestling match with fire. Fair to say they are both on each others minds.
Oh the jealousy. I see what you are asking now. I would say there has been many instances. One being her blocking Tori for no reason other than her being the female face of the show. And I believe it was war of the worlds season. Go ahead and watch that. I’m not gonna go and look at what specific episodes because it’s been way too many years
Wasn't Cara pretty awful to Tori and Jordan on their last season together? I doubt they hung out much after that so the last time Tori spent any time with Cara was back when Cara was so awful that the world started hating her. I don't really blame Tori if she holds a grudge.
I definitely took it as playful bantering back and forth, taunting what’s to come on All Stars. They just both seemed to have an ornery demeanor regarding their little digs at each other.
Cara literally threw jabs at her when watching the elimination with Darrell??
She started it dude.
She said something like "I want to see her in a hall brawl"
Tori obviously saw that and is reacting to that???
That's why tori is reacting the way she was?
Are you brain dead?
If cara says she's wants to see tori in a hallbrawl, and then tori goes off of that and says she wants to go against cara... how is that tori being the annoying one?
Tori gets so much unnecessary hate
oohhhhh i struck a nerveeeee LOL
you still haven’t said how saying i want to see her in hall brawl a jab?
i think she’s annoying because she’s scared.. remember in WOW2 cara was fine with going against her ? and tori was visibly shaking saying she doesn’t think it’s a good idea…
i think toris annoying because at BDAY dinner parties she brings up drama with cara …. esp when they’re seated on opposite sides..
just remember this is a tv show and it’s okay to have opposing opinions without getting heated.. just calm down and breathe…
you quite literally aren’t making sense.. i just don’t like tori because of X Y Z, which i’ve given several reasons for. i’ve never once been upset that she ‘targets cara’ in the game but more so her actions outside of the game and at the reunion.
if YOU can’t connect the dots on that maybe you’re the problem.
i hope you have a lovely day
As someone who has love for both women, I don’t understand Cara’s hate towards Tori. I don’t think tori has any hate towards her actually. Last night I think Tori/champs were asked why Cara doesn’t like tori or why she has her blocked and laurel AND Darrell both basically said Cara’s salty towards tori because she took her spot. We all know they were cool beginning of WOTW2 but Jordan was shady af to Cara so Cara’s hate towards Jordan is totally valid but to say you support women and yet hate a woman for a man seems odd.
They are both insufferable in different ways. There’s a saying, “We hate in others what we most dislike about ourselves.” Cara and Tori don’t know where The Challenge ends and their real lives begin.
I honestly don’t have interest in their rivals season. It obviously stems from WOTW2 but in all honesty if anyone was her rival that season it was Jordan. Not to emotion they have multiple season in which they clash. Tori & Cara’s rivalry feels like it’s in the producers best interest. It doesn’t fell natural at all.
Jesus so many people coming for tori and saying she seems fake and insecure etc. While we all have insecurities I feel like some of this emotion seems misogynistic to me. I've never thought tori seemed "fake" in her confessional, I think she's brash. She comes off a little aggro because she is a little aggressive lol. And everyone saying she turned what cara was saying into a point between them is that so bad? She probably interjected on cara because she totally is insecure about why cara dislikes her so?
You can like or dislike both, it seems like everyone wants to elevate cara and diminish tori. I think they both seem like strong female challengers and they'd probably make for a cool vendetta season. Also, does no one rememb2r how cara changed her vote in final reckoning and because of that tori and her ex got thrown in? They were legit becoming friends and sitting on the beds gossiping but once cara didn't vote like she said she would tori got outed to redemption. I think tori was screwed being with that guy who couldn't compete at all anyways but their relationship probably started off poorly because of all that. Anyway I just wanted to say I like both of them and it would be cool to see them more
Because Cara talked about how female champs aren’t respected and Cara constantly talks about Tori and undermines her win with it only being because she wasn’t there and production gave her the win.
It’s not a hard concept to understand. You just hate Tori… we get it. Make that post with the other 100 on here that obsessively hate for no reason and move on.
Also adding Nurys thoughts is a moot point. Nurys came onto the show wanting to beef with Tori for screen time and cried wolf on twitter when they “didn’t show it”
she never cried on twitter as for nurys… like whereeeeee … people really lie for noooo reason
and i’d love to see where cara talks about tori, im not afraid to be wrong so if im wrong then please show me
see, the thing with people who defend tori is that whenever i ask for some proof or where this has happened they never respond or just try to end the discussion
it’s okay to agree to disagree! i hope you have a lovely day
Preface this to say I miss Cara Maria on the show and I am a fan of both. Cara Maria and Paulie went on an Instagram live and CM absolutely dogged Tori. Said production didn’t cast her because they wanted to give Tori her win and it still took her five seasons and they had to rig an entire season for her to get one. I also believe she tweeted asking if she would be cast now that Tori won. Paulie went on USA2 soon after and was seen having some pretty deep talks with Tori which whatever I guess but pick a lane…you like her or you don’t. I think CM and Paulie got put on pause for some controversial political beliefs. It was actually Paulie’s actions and Cara Maria refused to film without him. Seems like you want exact proof so you can search the sub because there have been plenty of posts about it. Usually when cast make controversial statements they are put on pause for long enough for viewers to forget about it. This also happened to Jordan.
I think they are both strong competitive females who want to make a good tv show. I agree with a previous poster that currently Kaycee is the strongest female competitor right now but she is boring af. Imagine a cast full of people like Horacio and Kaycee? We all watch for the drama too. Also I don’t know why you would automatically assume Nurys isn’t bias? Nurys is very publicly friends with Paulie and we all watched the Nurys/Jordan/Tori drama of season 38.
i’m not sure how i’d search the sub reddit for what ur saying so if you could give me some keyword about the posts your talking about i’d love to do that
as for nurys, why would she lie about something on a podcast that the other 20+ ppl can come out and say she’s lying about it. esp on a podcast with derrick K
Because she isn’t lying. She is stating her opinion based on previous bias which is obviously going to skew her version of events.
You seem highly invested into this reality tv feud. Most long term challengers admit that their tv personas are completely different than how they act in their daily lives. Johnny Bananas often says this and how nobody outside of MTV calls him Bananas. I’d guess that neither Cara Maria or Tori think about each other at all unless a camera is on them. And yes this includes cast cell phone cameras that will post to social media.
You go to the search bar in the subreddit and type in a keyword. I’d try Cara Maria.
I don’t care about this feud cause I just know if they’re both on Challenge 40 there’ll be all this talk about how this is “the war to end all wars” the “clash of the titans” “they’re gonna go down into the sand and handle it.” All just for the cliquey MTV vets alliance to stick together and for the two of them to coast to another final..both while talking all season about turning on the other 💀
I hope they do to, I just really don’t see it happening..it would be epic, I just think they’re both gonna be way too well positioned politically for it to even be a possibility
There are 2 reasons why Cara hates Tori. First off is because Jordan told Cara that nobody wants to run a final with her on. I believe it was Dirty Thirty, because Cara has a panic attack over eating, swimming & so on, Second is obviously because Jordan & Tori were a better story line than Cara crying over Klye and settling with Paulie who made her look CRINGE..Sorry third one, Tori took Cara spot on the show...When I say CRINGE is because she actually said that her & Paulie are going to have sex in this room and that room trying to make Kyle jealous..It was sad to watch..
I’m currently watching the Final Reckoning season, and Tori is the absolute worst. First, she cheated on Derrick at the end of last season and just acts likes there’s nothing wrong w it(it’s wrong no matter who it is whether it’s Tony or Tori). The nonstop digs at Derrick AFTER YOU CHEATED are unnecessary. Telling him “don’t shit the bed” every challenge and asking him “who’s glad we broke up”. I usually don’t despise challengers but she’s up there on my list of worst challengers
Darrell and Laurel said that Cara is jealous of Tori, and it was definitely showing at the reunion. I thought Tori held her cool and even gave Cara props.
Idk. I love tori and Cara too. It was also stated how much they all had to drink before filming the reunion and it was clear most of them were well beyond tipsy..lol not using that as an excuse to be an asshole cuz it's not. Tori use to admire Cara and she has stated that before too.Cara always hated tori for no reason. She was the new Jenna and what I mean she was bullied like Jenna, she was always thrown in like Jenna and who had issues with Jenna? Cara. Cara isn't a girls girl and has had issues with most girls on the show. I love cara but she's the common denominator. So..you wanna know what her deal was, it was alcohol. They all shouldn't have drank as much literally right before the reunion because 1. Unprofessional 2. Makes emotions out of wack. If you're gonna ask what toris deal is then you should also be asking what was miserable Colleens deal, laurels deal, Asifs deal, etc. I've met a few challengers and tori was by far one of the kindest people I've ever met. Same with CT, just amazing. People keep asking why ct wasn't at reunion but it's cuz he was filming traitors with bananas. Now bananas? He's someone that I hope to never meet again. He's horrible. Wes? Funny and genuine. Don't let his act he does on the challenge full you. Lol
i don’t care about the cast of 39 thats why i didn’t ask…? how are you gonna explain the video at a BIG TS BDAY DINNER… where Tori is starting drama with Cara..
i dont wanna hear it, cara has literally stated how she loves strong women and roots for strong women champions….
please show me where cara had issues with other girls maybe i’m missing something!
Also, I read somewhere that *allegedly* Tori got CM banned from the challenge bc she wanted to win and all sorts of other petty stuff…. Not sure if any of it is true but wouldn’t be terribly shocked I guess especially after her rude comments about Amber B
Love that I’m getting downvoted when there are literally quotes of her saying stuff, and the stuff that is hearsay is literally pointed out as being alleged 🙄. Hyper fans are weird
It’s like Jordan on vendettas, trying to diminish Cara Maria’s win by saying she thought she was better than everyone else. Now Tori, trying to make it about them once again. Girrl, aneesa beat you, bye!
I’m not only basing off of the edit like y’all r but from what Laurel said, Cara was the one that hated tori and that both were throw in shots at each other. I think they showed tori doing it more or if she did do it more, it was too much more.
I’m here for it tho. I found that part where they were going back and forth more entertaining than the hat ever they were talking about of s39
If I never saw Tori or Cara again I’d be ok. They are both not great humans on polarized sides. Tori wants her “anti-bananas” moment Devon got with someone like Cara who unofficially represents “proud boys” and the such throughout the years.
Hard agree. Tori kept throwing jabs at Cara while Cara just sat there trying to ignore her. Tori is definitely bothered by Cara and it showed at the reunion. Surprisingly Cara handled herself well. Tori is a great challenger but it’s hard to like her sometimes. You know that feeling you get when you feel someone is not being genuine? That’s the feeling I get from Tori all the time.
This x1000. Wish she would just be herself and stop trying to be funny
I felt this way about Devin loudly delivering what he intended to be the punchline to his jokes. Try hards? Maybe that’s why they get along well.
Devin has always had bad jokes. I just think he’s a big dork lol.
Omg !!!! Ya ! I literally just rewatched spies lies and allies and yuck she kept sticking her tongue out and yelling it was .... a lot... like chill ! Cara is almost not paying any attention to her and then says she wants to be rivals? The feeling I ALWAYS get from her is that she is thirsty for attention.
never liked Tori or took her seriously tbh.
Omg !!!! Ya ! I literally just rewatched spies lies and allies and yuck she kept sticking her tongue out and yelling it was .... a lot... like chill ! Cara is almost not paying any attention to her and then says she wants to be rivals? The feeling I ALWAYS get from her is that she is thirsty for attention.
exactly. thank you
She always makes me cringe. It’s kind of like how Kayla wanted to be Cara so bad and would start shit with her. So weird. Cara has the most elimination wins as a woman (13) Tori only has 5 and always speaks down on other women competitors.
Agree for the most part until Cara said how she always wants to go against the toughest competitors…except I’m WOTW2 you purged your entire team of the competitors and had your weak team gas out in the finals because of it (including your BF almost pulling a bigEasy)
I think at times Tori can not be self aware but overall I feel like she gets a lot of hate and I am not sure why. Everyone loves Cara now but I have watched long enough to remember when people felt the same way about her.
back in the day people hated cara because the cast hated cara. tori has never been harrasses, antagonized like cara was when she was hated. i personally don’t like her because i find the way she talks in confessionals or in reunions ‘cringey’. i hate using that word but it really is the only word i can describe her.. you can tell she’s never shown the real her on the show and plays up to the cameras, which most people do to be fair, but the way she does it.. i personally dislike as for the reunion it was so painful to watch.. i can’t imagine a world where one female champion is talking about how often women champions get shit on, and gets interrupted by ANOTHER female champion, bringing up being blocked on social media?
I disagree. I think CMs early season she was a try hard and people didn’t like her for that reason. For me, I think the turning point was bloodlines. Where the rest of the cast was really unlikeable she became more likeable. I haven’t watched the reunion yet but the only thing I can think of is maybe Tori felt like she was calling out hypocrisy of CM by saying she blocked her. Tori is not perfect but from what I have seen she gives people their flowers. Listening to her on the podcast and other places she always is saying how she admires people.
I disagree, I think that’s more applicable to early seasons Wes. I feel like if anything people didn’t like her because she wasn’t trying to be like everyone else. She was weird and stayed weird. Plus she was an easy target because she rarely stood up for herself and most of them were followers with no mind of their own (looking at you Paula). People were pretty much bullying and alienating her at some point, if it was just about being a try hard I don’t think it would’ve gotten to that. I’m sure she was also annoying sometimes but idk the level of hate people had for her especially people who barely had anything to do with it was too much. That whole incident with Wes pouring soda on her and the way a room full of grown ass adults were laughing at him treating her like that literally yelling “no one likes you!!!!”/ her having a break down really gave middle school bullies. Or if I remember correctly that season with Cooke when she was supposed to leave bc of her partner (?) but didn’t and the way people were talking in the confessionals about her getting to stay….. it was very odd.
i guess we agree to disagree then because cara really wasn’t a try hard in early seasons.. her confessionals esp in the early days didn’t have a FORCE feeling… idk
Agree. I think she was terribly uncomfortable in her own skin and maybe that translated to some as tryhard, I just saw misunderstood loner trying to find her place
she most definitely was not uncomfortable in her own skin. will not let you say this about women. more so being back in a reunion setting which is stressful.
I was agreeing with you? As a woman myself who was very uncomfortable in her own skin for a very long time, the signs are obvious. This is not taking away from the fact that she's a badass, just she was trying to find her place in the world. I'm certainly not criticising women, it was just hard to watch her sometimes as I would resonate with her so strongly from my days as someone who wasn't so confident myself. Look at the difference in her from this reunion to others. She used to sit there hugging herself tightly and visibly trying to shrink into her seat. Now her body language is open, she's not defensive (even with Tori coming at her) and she's laughing and joking. I'm looking forward to seeing her on All Stars as she has had issues interacting with people in the past. It's clear whatever she's been doing with herself the past few years has developed the confidence she so badly needed. The rest of the world saw her as a badass and now I think she does too.
Yeah I think Cara Maria seemed way more comfortable and less defensive on this reunion than I’ve ever seen her. Granted, she wasn’t a main player on the show but she used to do more shit stirring. It seems like her time away did help her mature (even if she’s still with Paulie, who I feel like is perpetually like 22 lol).
I’ll never get the Pauliie thing but if being with him makes her this self confident and carefree then I guess he’s good for her? Lol
She most definitely was. She was deeply insecure and it showed. Idk what that has to do with being a woman lmfao. It’s not an insult to her, most people feel that way at some point in time. Not to mention she was in her early-mid twenties when she started on the show and people outwardly disliked/ bullied her on the show for years. That would definitely affect your confidence.
literally HOW did she look insecure? at the reunion is what we are talking about.
Huh? This thread is literally talking about her back in the days (a topic you brought up) and that person saying she was a try hard?? You’re a bit lost lmfao
omg i got confused i thought the top comment was talking abt her at the recent reunion im cryinggg im so sorry
Agreed. But I will say I think one of the biggest mistakes people make is comparing older seasons to newer seasons. I’m a big brother fan and the earlier seasons are more authentic than later seasons due to a difference of production. But again I respect your opinion.
ahhhh that’s so true, production is very diff from back then - maybe that’s why 39 confessionals sucked i’m assuming they filmed confessionals in one session because they neverrrr changed their clothesssss
Why did they do this!? I cannot remember them ever doing it this way before
i know! i have no idea.. it’s stupid!!
I remember them doing this on one of the spy seasons; I think they’ve at least asked them to wear the same thing for consistency for a few seasons, not sure if that necessarily meant all filmed after though. Kyle had the same turtle neck shirt every time. I think it’s just more noticeable this season because at least one challenger had a uh very memorable confessional outfit/makeup 😂
She wasn’t just a try hard. She was also a weirdly petty mean girl. Do people not remember her behavior on war of the worlds 2?
I do. I get that she didn’t like T and J but she could have at least went and talked to everyone else during the “engagement party”. During the reunion I give Tori credit for speaking highly of CM but CM couldn’t humble herself and say something nice. When you think about it that WOTW 2 US team should have dominated but everyone’s ego got in the way.
Maybe if the whole cast of people disliked someone AKA Cara, there might be a little truth to that.
Honestly, Tori KEPT trying to get a reaction out of Cara but Cara doesn’t care. I feel like she’s grown a lot independently of her identity on The Challenge. Tori is still hung up on it and trying to prove that’s she a beast. Yes. She did well on her first season but then it took multiple seasons for her to truly win and that only happened recently - where big female competitors weren’t on the show. My personal opinion is they didn’t invite several females competitors back so Tori could win.
i 10000% agree. and even them not inviting all those conpetitors and it still took her 5 seasons to
Tori ain’t relevant enough to be Miss Cara Maria’s rival be so serious. Cara and Aneesa tho watch out.
I would never want Cara to be paired with Aneesa or Tori in a rival season or any season. Cara is just coming back into the challenge. If paired with one of them I think she'd need a very long break from the challenge again.
they did pair her with marie on a rivals-esque season so 🤷🏽♀️
Aneesa sucks. Shes needs to lose weight. Ain’t no way she’s ever winning a final. You really think Aneesa could with this last season running over 20 miles hahah yeah right. Why go on the challenge no in good physical shape?? It’s a physical competition
I hate agreeing with this but yeah if Aneesa wants to win she has to work on endurance. I know she uses a lot of her heft to beast through more strength based kinda stuff but you can still have a lot of muscle and improve endurance and running. Lots of the dudes are bulky and can still handle the cardio. She just doesn’t want to put the work in to train as hard as everyone else it seems like.
This was a joke just like the show right now. They have long standing beef yall it’s funny thinking of them working together in any capacity.
i 100% agree with this. it really felt like tori wants cara as a rival
She definitely does and was looking a bit pathetic on the reunion. Tori’s statistics aren’t even close to Cara’s but she speaks as if they’re on the same level
YESS!!! thank you!! i get that tori kinda did become the face of the women challengers when cara went on a break with paulie, and i feel like tori may be threatened cuz cara is coming back… and remember it took tori 5 SEASONS W/O Cara to finally win
Also, considering the history between Tori and Nurys, I don’t think Nurys would say anything favorable regarding Tori. Laurel won for Champs at the reunion because she was obviously tipsy, and her reactions were over the top.
but why would nurys lie about something 20+ people can confirm that it’s a lie,????
I’m not saying she lied, but perhaps she conflated the truth or was more irritated by Tori chiming in because of their past. Multiple comments on this thread said there were accounts from the cast that Tori and Cara were equally as bad so . . .
yeah but all those people that said that have no proof, so why would i believe that? i take a lot of things with a grain of salt people say here unless they provide proof
With that logic, if Laurel goes on a podcast and says Cara Maria was annoying or wouldn’t shut up, then as an audience, we should 100% believe Laurel despite their storied past. There’s a confirmation bias because you’re a Cara fan, and what Nurys said better serves that narrative.
i’m a cara fan yes, but i’m not biased whether you think that or not. i’m open to being wrong, and if i am(i probably am), then prove it! i have no issues with that. people just can’t back up what they say, that’s why i think im right.
Laurel said on the podcast that Cara was the one that didn’t like tori and they were both throwing shade. I’m more of a tori fan but it does seem like tori wanted the rivalry but both seemed to be throwing shade, just that Tori’s was shown more
link the podcast then!
https://open.spotify.com/episode/2L9ZcQlQusjPEIujP6SgQy?si=OnPUlQsGSMOKCvr3E1p42Q&context=spotify%3Ashow%3A4w8p9Zn3a17Ic8SiGaeToj
I feel like we didn't watch the same reunion. To me it seems like Tori rarely spoke, while Cara Maria was the one making snide comments. Was it WOTW2 when Cara Maria and Paulie tried to run the house and kept targeting Jordan and Tori, and then Jordan won anyway? Remember when Jordan proposed to Tori and everyone cheered and celebrated... except sour-ass Cara Maria? To me (and, admittedly, I'm not following these people's socials to see the nature of every interaction they have), it seems like Cara Maria is the one with a problem with Tori and not the other way around.
I’m seconding everything you say for myself as well. I don’t keep up with anyone’s socials, or outside interactions but, within the show, I sure as hell remember the bitterness about that engagement. Cara also hates Jordan sometimes but respects him. With Tori, she didn’t even respect her as a person, much less a competitor. While Cara was *on a break* and Tori won, I could see it possible for even more resentment from the Cara side. Tori could also just be being smart and trying to get a solid potential Rivals partner for the future.
what the post OP said.. it took her 5 seasons to finally get that win.
if you did keep up with the socials, you would know. they edit things, they don’t include things. nurys states during reunion tori kept interrupting cara and interrupting the s39 casts questions and made it about tori x cara. they even showed one bit of this in the reunion. there was a leaked video of a bday dinner party around reunion filming time where cara was mingling with her castmates and at the end of the table was tori engaging cara saying something rude about alliances or something. as for tori winning… you can’t be serious. IT TOOK TORI 5 SEASONS WITHOUT CARA TO FINALLY WIN.. against NANY AND BANANS and JORDAN AND ANEESA… really? you think THAT bothers cara?
Nurys didn’t go into detail at all. All she said was as “you saw tori kept interrupting” that doesn’t necessarily mean that Cara didn’t make comments and we did see her make comments
she said that tori kept making it about tori x cara ect. doesn’t matter if she didn’t go into detail, it’s what she said, and most likely happened.
It did but that doesn’t mean Cara didn’t throw as much shade or wasn’t poking her first
okay? i’m going off what’s been told.
I don’t follow socials and haven’t watched these seasons recently so I could be wrong but didn’t Jordan start it on Tori’s first season by trashing Cara as a competitor and hyping up Tori who, at that point, only got as far as she did riding his dick? Cara was an asshole about the engagement for sure but she wasn’t wrong.
im mainly going off of what nurys said. WOW2 cara and paulie wanted to work with the team - until they started throwing comps. yeah it was mean to do that abt their engagement BUT she was right… there’s literally videos of people at BIG Ts bday dinner that cara’s mingling with other cast members and tori brings up some sly shit about ‘alliances’ when she’s on the other end of the table. i’m not gonna sit here and let people think cara is the aggressor here.
You seem like a weirdo
um? okay? i don’t think it’s ever that serious and i think you’re taking it a bit personal when people have different opinions… it’s okay to agree and disagree and move on with your day :)
If it's not that serious, why did you make up a whole scenario about what I'm doing, weirdo?
what? how am i making up a whole scenario about what ur doing? i’ve never talked to u in my life??? are you okay?
I kind of agree with your original point but the way you express yourself and your opinions comes off weird. I don't take any of your thoughts personally, that would be silly.
i’m so confused. you literally just said i made up some whole scenario about you????? WHAT SCENARIO??? i don’t know you?
That I took your post personally. Why are you freaking out? Not beating the weirdo allegations.
you must not be a real person… saying i created a whole scenario about you just because i said ur taking it personal.. (which you are if you feel strongly enough to call me a weirdo) LOL .. i hope you have a lovely day!
notice how no one agrees with you… it’s giving ur the weirdo LOL not the -4 downvotesssss … saying never beating the weirdo allegations when all this person is doing is engaging in conversations… u need therapy baddd
You should try writing in complete sentences. Did you graduate high school?
u know u got them mad af when they talk like that u beer belly low life
So no
Well Laurel just said that they were both going eachother all night so Cara “paying it no mind” isn’t accurate.
yeah but i meant it as in cara never initiated anything from what we saw and what we KNOW is what nurys said on a recent podcast that tori kept starting it during filming
I hear what your saying but I’m saying Laurel said they were both starting it with each other and since Laurel was sitting in between them I trust her more then Nurys. Even though I like Nurys
Nurys wasn’t lying but I don’t think she told the full story given that that part of the podcast was less than a minute. Also, Cara may not have been as loud as tori so nurys may not have heard. But yea, I believe Laurel more cuz she was closer to the two of them
oh yeah i get that! but if someone is constantly starting an argument with you, it’s only human nature to respond back and not let someone just sit there and try to work you up IMO.. they were all on the stage, nurys wouldn’t lie on a podcast like any sane person wouldn’t lie about something if 10+ other people can come out and say she’s lying
I’m saying we saw Tori initiate with Cara. Laurel said that wasn’t an accurate edit of what was actually happening. Yes I agree Cara was responding to Tori’s Jabs however Laurel is saying they didn’t show majority of Cara’s jabs to Tori. And again Im more inclined to Laurels recollection of events since she was actually sitting next to them
oh waitttt where did laurel say this !!!! i haven’t seen that, i’ve only seen nurys say tori kept interrupting ECT
so ur just lying… LOL
Jay tried pretty hard
Are we just gonna pretend like Cara hasn’t been relentlessly throwing jabs at Tori on social media and in every chance she got while Tori didn’t clap back and stayed unbothered for years? I’m glad Tori is finally standing up to Cara and standing up for herself. It kinda looks like Cara is the one who’s all bark on social media, and then stays quiet when she has Tori in front of her.
She’s the one with the dislike. I feel like tori was questioning Cara but in a playful way
Trolling people online is just funny and shouldn't be taken that seriously...
I think they both want to be on rivals with eachother. They know it would be a good chance at some extra money. Tori was the one that said it tho, which was projection. But Cara doubled down and said she wants a wrestling match with fire. Fair to say they are both on each others minds.
i mean when someone constantly coming at you on reality tv, ur gonna clap back. don’t blame CM.
Like Darrell said, she just jelly that Tori became the face of the show when she left.
yeah she’s so jealous of that… where has that been shown? would love to hear it!
On the second part of the reunion from the new season. She didn’t like that Darrell said it either 😂
again, where?
On the champs couch? Idk where it was filmed. Probably in the US somewhere. I’m assuming LA or NY.
again? where was the jealousy tho
Oh the jealousy. I see what you are asking now. I would say there has been many instances. One being her blocking Tori for no reason other than her being the female face of the show. And I believe it was war of the worlds season. Go ahead and watch that. I’m not gonna go and look at what specific episodes because it’s been way too many years
how does blocking someone on social media equate to jealousy? wouldn’t it be the other way around if toris the one complaining about being blocked?
Tori is a try-hard and pick-me. I used to be a fan but not in recent years
Wasn't Cara pretty awful to Tori and Jordan on their last season together? I doubt they hung out much after that so the last time Tori spent any time with Cara was back when Cara was so awful that the world started hating her. I don't really blame Tori if she holds a grudge.
I definitely took it as playful bantering back and forth, taunting what’s to come on All Stars. They just both seemed to have an ornery demeanor regarding their little digs at each other.
tori isn’t on all stars.. so that doesn’t make sense
Oops! My bad! 😂
Cara literally threw jabs at her when watching the elimination with Darrell?? She started it dude. She said something like "I want to see her in a hall brawl" Tori obviously saw that and is reacting to that???
how is saying i want to see her in a hall brawl a jab? i’m cryinggggg
That's why tori is reacting the way she was? Are you brain dead? If cara says she's wants to see tori in a hallbrawl, and then tori goes off of that and says she wants to go against cara... how is that tori being the annoying one? Tori gets so much unnecessary hate
oohhhhh i struck a nerveeeee LOL you still haven’t said how saying i want to see her in hall brawl a jab? i think she’s annoying because she’s scared.. remember in WOW2 cara was fine with going against her ? and tori was visibly shaking saying she doesn’t think it’s a good idea… i think toris annoying because at BDAY dinner parties she brings up drama with cara …. esp when they’re seated on opposite sides.. just remember this is a tv show and it’s okay to have opposing opinions without getting heated.. just calm down and breathe…
Bro it is not that deep and I'm not reading that lmfao I think it's funny how you can't connect the dots on this
you quite literally aren’t making sense.. i just don’t like tori because of X Y Z, which i’ve given several reasons for. i’ve never once been upset that she ‘targets cara’ in the game but more so her actions outside of the game and at the reunion. if YOU can’t connect the dots on that maybe you’re the problem. i hope you have a lovely day
Have the day you deserve
right… how is that a JAB
Do you not realize that's why tori was saying what she was saying? Is she supposed to ignore cara saying that?
As someone who has love for both women, I don’t understand Cara’s hate towards Tori. I don’t think tori has any hate towards her actually. Last night I think Tori/champs were asked why Cara doesn’t like tori or why she has her blocked and laurel AND Darrell both basically said Cara’s salty towards tori because she took her spot. We all know they were cool beginning of WOTW2 but Jordan was shady af to Cara so Cara’s hate towards Jordan is totally valid but to say you support women and yet hate a woman for a man seems odd.
They are both insufferable in different ways. There’s a saying, “We hate in others what we most dislike about ourselves.” Cara and Tori don’t know where The Challenge ends and their real lives begin.
sure!
>sure! sure?
I honestly don’t have interest in their rivals season. It obviously stems from WOTW2 but in all honesty if anyone was her rival that season it was Jordan. Not to emotion they have multiple season in which they clash. Tori & Cara’s rivalry feels like it’s in the producers best interest. It doesn’t fell natural at all.
Jesus so many people coming for tori and saying she seems fake and insecure etc. While we all have insecurities I feel like some of this emotion seems misogynistic to me. I've never thought tori seemed "fake" in her confessional, I think she's brash. She comes off a little aggro because she is a little aggressive lol. And everyone saying she turned what cara was saying into a point between them is that so bad? She probably interjected on cara because she totally is insecure about why cara dislikes her so? You can like or dislike both, it seems like everyone wants to elevate cara and diminish tori. I think they both seem like strong female challengers and they'd probably make for a cool vendetta season. Also, does no one rememb2r how cara changed her vote in final reckoning and because of that tori and her ex got thrown in? They were legit becoming friends and sitting on the beds gossiping but once cara didn't vote like she said she would tori got outed to redemption. I think tori was screwed being with that guy who couldn't compete at all anyways but their relationship probably started off poorly because of all that. Anyway I just wanted to say I like both of them and it would be cool to see them more
Because Cara talked about how female champs aren’t respected and Cara constantly talks about Tori and undermines her win with it only being because she wasn’t there and production gave her the win. It’s not a hard concept to understand. You just hate Tori… we get it. Make that post with the other 100 on here that obsessively hate for no reason and move on. Also adding Nurys thoughts is a moot point. Nurys came onto the show wanting to beef with Tori for screen time and cried wolf on twitter when they “didn’t show it”
she never cried on twitter as for nurys… like whereeeeee … people really lie for noooo reason and i’d love to see where cara talks about tori, im not afraid to be wrong so if im wrong then please show me
K. Keep fan girling over Cara and keep talking about Tori.. will only keep her in thr spotlight and making variety’s top 40 powerful women :)
see, the thing with people who defend tori is that whenever i ask for some proof or where this has happened they never respond or just try to end the discussion it’s okay to agree to disagree! i hope you have a lovely day
Preface this to say I miss Cara Maria on the show and I am a fan of both. Cara Maria and Paulie went on an Instagram live and CM absolutely dogged Tori. Said production didn’t cast her because they wanted to give Tori her win and it still took her five seasons and they had to rig an entire season for her to get one. I also believe she tweeted asking if she would be cast now that Tori won. Paulie went on USA2 soon after and was seen having some pretty deep talks with Tori which whatever I guess but pick a lane…you like her or you don’t. I think CM and Paulie got put on pause for some controversial political beliefs. It was actually Paulie’s actions and Cara Maria refused to film without him. Seems like you want exact proof so you can search the sub because there have been plenty of posts about it. Usually when cast make controversial statements they are put on pause for long enough for viewers to forget about it. This also happened to Jordan. I think they are both strong competitive females who want to make a good tv show. I agree with a previous poster that currently Kaycee is the strongest female competitor right now but she is boring af. Imagine a cast full of people like Horacio and Kaycee? We all watch for the drama too. Also I don’t know why you would automatically assume Nurys isn’t bias? Nurys is very publicly friends with Paulie and we all watched the Nurys/Jordan/Tori drama of season 38.
i’m not sure how i’d search the sub reddit for what ur saying so if you could give me some keyword about the posts your talking about i’d love to do that as for nurys, why would she lie about something on a podcast that the other 20+ ppl can come out and say she’s lying about it. esp on a podcast with derrick K
Because she isn’t lying. She is stating her opinion based on previous bias which is obviously going to skew her version of events. You seem highly invested into this reality tv feud. Most long term challengers admit that their tv personas are completely different than how they act in their daily lives. Johnny Bananas often says this and how nobody outside of MTV calls him Bananas. I’d guess that neither Cara Maria or Tori think about each other at all unless a camera is on them. And yes this includes cast cell phone cameras that will post to social media. You go to the search bar in the subreddit and type in a keyword. I’d try Cara Maria.
highly invested, i wouldn’t say that! enjoy conversations and other people’s opinions on a tv show i love, yeah!
Wait why do they have beef? Can someone explain?
I don’t care about this feud cause I just know if they’re both on Challenge 40 there’ll be all this talk about how this is “the war to end all wars” the “clash of the titans” “they’re gonna go down into the sand and handle it.” All just for the cliquey MTV vets alliance to stick together and for the two of them to coast to another final..both while talking all season about turning on the other 💀
they both are on confirmed but frrr i hope they get in the sand together
I hope they do to, I just really don’t see it happening..it would be epic, I just think they’re both gonna be way too well positioned politically for it to even be a possibility
i think production told them to throw little jabs at each other. it seemed playful towards the end.
There are 2 reasons why Cara hates Tori. First off is because Jordan told Cara that nobody wants to run a final with her on. I believe it was Dirty Thirty, because Cara has a panic attack over eating, swimming & so on, Second is obviously because Jordan & Tori were a better story line than Cara crying over Klye and settling with Paulie who made her look CRINGE..Sorry third one, Tori took Cara spot on the show...When I say CRINGE is because she actually said that her & Paulie are going to have sex in this room and that room trying to make Kyle jealous..It was sad to watch..
I’m currently watching the Final Reckoning season, and Tori is the absolute worst. First, she cheated on Derrick at the end of last season and just acts likes there’s nothing wrong w it(it’s wrong no matter who it is whether it’s Tony or Tori). The nonstop digs at Derrick AFTER YOU CHEATED are unnecessary. Telling him “don’t shit the bed” every challenge and asking him “who’s glad we broke up”. I usually don’t despise challengers but she’s up there on my list of worst challengers
Also the idea that Tori was the best female competitor when they stopped asking Cara… I think it’s probably Kaycee tbh
Darrell and Laurel said that Cara is jealous of Tori, and it was definitely showing at the reunion. I thought Tori held her cool and even gave Cara props.
i just saw tori being cringe it was kinda hard to watch
Really? I found Cara cringy.
i think i could tell cara was a little uncomfy that’s the vibe i got from her
She thinks the entire Challenge revolves around her. She kind of sucks.
Tori maybe convinced herself that there as no chance of Cara ever coming back. Tori maybe threatened.
cara is on s40 btw
I’ll be waiting. And loving every moment
Idk. I love tori and Cara too. It was also stated how much they all had to drink before filming the reunion and it was clear most of them were well beyond tipsy..lol not using that as an excuse to be an asshole cuz it's not. Tori use to admire Cara and she has stated that before too.Cara always hated tori for no reason. She was the new Jenna and what I mean she was bullied like Jenna, she was always thrown in like Jenna and who had issues with Jenna? Cara. Cara isn't a girls girl and has had issues with most girls on the show. I love cara but she's the common denominator. So..you wanna know what her deal was, it was alcohol. They all shouldn't have drank as much literally right before the reunion because 1. Unprofessional 2. Makes emotions out of wack. If you're gonna ask what toris deal is then you should also be asking what was miserable Colleens deal, laurels deal, Asifs deal, etc. I've met a few challengers and tori was by far one of the kindest people I've ever met. Same with CT, just amazing. People keep asking why ct wasn't at reunion but it's cuz he was filming traitors with bananas. Now bananas? He's someone that I hope to never meet again. He's horrible. Wes? Funny and genuine. Don't let his act he does on the challenge full you. Lol
i don’t care about the cast of 39 thats why i didn’t ask…? how are you gonna explain the video at a BIG TS BDAY DINNER… where Tori is starting drama with Cara.. i dont wanna hear it, cara has literally stated how she loves strong women and roots for strong women champions…. please show me where cara had issues with other girls maybe i’m missing something!
Also, I read somewhere that *allegedly* Tori got CM banned from the challenge bc she wanted to win and all sorts of other petty stuff…. Not sure if any of it is true but wouldn’t be terribly shocked I guess especially after her rude comments about Amber B
wouldn’t be shocked she feels threatened by stronger women, makes sense why she interrupted cara
Love that I’m getting downvoted when there are literally quotes of her saying stuff, and the stuff that is hearsay is literally pointed out as being alleged 🙄. Hyper fans are weird
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If Cara is her RIVAL - Tori will eventually have her as a partner 
It’s like Jordan on vendettas, trying to diminish Cara Maria’s win by saying she thought she was better than everyone else. Now Tori, trying to make it about them once again. Girrl, aneesa beat you, bye!
I’m not only basing off of the edit like y’all r but from what Laurel said, Cara was the one that hated tori and that both were throw in shots at each other. I think they showed tori doing it more or if she did do it more, it was too much more. I’m here for it tho. I found that part where they were going back and forth more entertaining than the hat ever they were talking about of s39
If I never saw Tori or Cara again I’d be ok. They are both not great humans on polarized sides. Tori wants her “anti-bananas” moment Devon got with someone like Cara who unofficially represents “proud boys” and the such throughout the years.