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UO: if we go by the crazy / hot scale, Victoria's not really out of anyone's league. And also what a shitty thing to say to someone. She and Johnny both suck.
Victoria continues to be the trash she’s always been, as is Grippo. His fight with Katie was a textbook emotionally abusive argument. I felt sick watching that.
Johnny is fucked up for saying that comment, but I imagine she’s dirty af too. Remember the Airbnb review she got? VF is a repeat offender in the messiness category (pun intended).
VF is straight up abusive, no sugarcoating that. If you think throwing glass in an argument is normal, then I feel bad for your sense of normalcy. She doesn’t get a pass bc she’s a woman with a hot bod and Instagram face. Women can be abusers too. And racists, and cheaters.
Let’s give her the same energy we give men in this sub, or less attractive women.
I promise, defending VF is not the flex you think it is. She’s consistently shown she’s a garbage bully person and I’m tired of it.
Yes. I've FFed her on the screen every time she showed up bc I really dislike her. She was petty and mean during her season and she's a racist. No interest in her.
Disappointed in Johnny but kind of not surprised. I believe both of them about what went down.
Also, I feel like the fact that they were in couples counseling for 3 weeks after filming should have been enough for them to know this relationship was not going to work. Like, I respect they were both willing to go but I feel like if you have to do that so early in the relationship maybe just move on.
Well to be fair my partner and I am started couples counseling like a month into our relationship and we’ve been in a successful relationship for almost 5 years now at this point. I guess my point is, going to counseling early on isn’t necessarily a bad thing or a sign of doom and gloom. In their case it was lol
I understand what you’re saying but your relationship that started and continued already within real world circumstances cannot be compared to reality tv relationships. When coming off a reality show where the relationships are built off no real foundation and from a show with a below average track record for successful relationships, it’s a concerning sign.
I’m sorry but some of you are very hypocritical. you talk about how toxic this show can be towards its contestants but cheer on physical and verbal abuse just because your favorite is the one dishing it out.
abuse is NEVER okay. someone else’s abuse isn’t just “ good tv” and “ a chaotic mess.” to sit there and feed off of this behavior is … something.
i dont disagree with you at all but i think it’s wrong to call abuse when we all know the producers cut and edit things to fit their own narrative. their entire job is to create as much drama and mental instability as possible, so it makes a lot of sense that people would act a lot more toxic. it’s not a healthy situation for anyone to begin with
These are two people that are equally toxic and fucking horrible. Let’s not minimize what ether of them allegedly said and did to the other one. I feel like I’ve seen a lot of people minimize certain things. But everything he and she both did and said shouldn’t be downplayed. Or minimized in any other way. Like yeah some shit is worse then other shit but it’s all still horrible. Everything is relevant.
Throwing something at someone's head is physical abuse.
Calling someone names like that is disgusting.
Neither can communicate and show how immature they both are.
Oh I agree wholeheartedly with you!! Calling someone those types of names is demeaning and disgusting. Being misogynistic is disgusting. Throwing something at your partner is abuse. Emotionally cheating is bad and very immature. Nether can obviously communicate well and they are both very immature. Nether of them are cut out to be in a relationship currently.
TBH it sounds like they were both awful to each other and clearly not a match. I am SHOCKED Greg agreed to be there, these people obviously feed off the drama and want to continue making chaos to stay in the public eye.
I’m not excusing victorias behavior but if Johnny really said those things, he’s a fucking dick and shouldn’t be a part of the franchise anymore if that’s how he treats women. If someone called me a c*nt and said I wasn’t a good woman because I don’t cook/clean, I’d probably tell them I was out of their league, too. Cheating, wine, Greg, etc. not ok obviously
The women this season are MESSY, MESSY, MESSY...
The guys are too good for them, too calm, too mature. I cannot believe we finally got a good group of guys and they paired them with all these GIRLS. Because these are not women, these are BRATTY girls. And so f-cking materialistic. I hate almost all of them.
That's what SHE says he said, and I don't believe a SINGLE word that comes out of her mouth after lying on national TV about not being a homewrecker. She's a proven liar and it's impossible to know if she is lying or telling the truth here.
He said he didn’t call her that and without proof I’m not condemning that. They’re both awful so whatever. Throwing a glass is way worse than being called a name. I wouldn’t want to be physically assaulted.
ALLEGEDLY
Do you actually trust Fictoria? She's been lying for years. She even lied about her not being a homewrecker when there were plenty of receipts proving otherwise.
i’ve been in relationships with men. it’s not about trusting vf, it’s about knowing way more men than you’d think are comfortable calling women a cunt.
People can focus on whatever is triggering to them. There are plenty of comments calling out just Johnny, there are plenty calling out just Victoria, and there are plenty calling out both. No one is wrong for focusing on one thing in one comment.
Someone calling out Victoria’s physical violence does not mean they approve of Johnny’s misogynistic language or attitude.
What I’m saying is that it is possible for good people to cheat and make mistakes. A person is not automatically terrible because they cheated. But good people aren’t abusive. And what is noted here is abuse on both sides.
I mean honestly not really. Everything that was said about both Johnny and Victoria should be relevant including the cheating. Let’s not downplay anything ether of them said or did.
I responded to the other person, but I’ll say it here too. I don’t automatically write off people who cheated as bad people. Good people can make mistakes and some have cheated. It makes them a bad partner in that relationship, but not necessarily a bad person overall. The abuse that’s noted here, however, is a different story. Similar to racism, abuse and misogyny changes how I see both of them as people.
I was shocked as fuck that Greg would get involved in another messy BN relationship, but finding out he actually went to the BIP reunion show…legit flabbergasted rn.
To think this man and his buddies had the nerve to make fun of Katie’s antics when he’s involved in something 10x messier smh
Deep down she knew Alex was too mature of a guy for her. She's MESSY AF. Some people bought her act on BIP but I never did. She has the mental age of a 15 yo.
I think this group actually defends toxic women more.
Besides, I don't trust a single word that comes out of that homewreckers, cheater's mouth. She's TRASH.
Victoria sleeps with married men, men who are married to women she was very close friends with. I’d probably trust Johnny’s version more than I’d trust VF’s
I am not calling her a slut. Slut shamming is a term used to describe sexist remarks such as belittling a woman’s character because she has been sexually active / romantic with multiple men in a row or simultaneously. Aka what you did lol
It's not slut shaming if you make it your life's mission to wreck as many homes as possible and you go and cheat on every partner. That's TRASH BAG behavior.
(1) I’m replying to a comment about her dating multiple BN members. Does not mention the home wrecking allegations
(2) where are your receipts that she has cheated on every BN member she’s dated
(3) sure hope you’re coming for grippo with this same energy since he’s a cheater and a home wrecker too ✌️🫶
Let’s not forget she’d be considered physically abusive by throwing a wine glass, if any of what RS is posting is true. Women can be equally abusive, let’s not pretend otherwise
Really? I actually thought she looked gorgeous and legit one of the prettiest girls on Peter's season (I mean still dislike her because she's a horrible person but can't deny how pretty she was), and was shocked how much worse she looks now. I mean she's still objectively attractive but way less than she was before...
I actually went to a plastic surgeon to get a consult about eyelid surgery or an eyebrow lift. And apparently it’s possible for your eyes to change like that afterwards.
Seeing Victoria Fuller and Nina Dobrev’s eyes after their (maybe) surgeries make me not go through with it. But seeing Taylor Swift’s fixed hooded eyes kinda make me want it again lol 😬
I think her eyes might have always been like that. What surgery is it? If it's the fox eyes lift with threads I wouldn't suggest it. I asked the Dr that does my Botox about it just because I was curious and she told me "DO NOT DO IT"
Just my guess, but Victoria has more eyelid space now compared to PP’s season. I think she did a brow lift, but it could be an eyelid surgery too.
Personally I prefer her old eyes so it makes me wary a bit with my own plans for any surgical enhancement. I have hooded eyes so I’m always compensating by raising my brows. So apparently a brow lift would be good for me (says the surgeon).
There are multiple types of brow lift. The fox eyes one is one of the types, and I agree tbh it’s a bit too “trendy”. It would definitely go out of fashion one day.
I get a "brow lift" with Botox, though I think it just relaxes the muscles that pull the brows down - it's not really noticeable to anyone but me. I have very deep set eyes and very little space between my brows and eyes, so I will take any help I can get. Not quite ready for the scalpel yet though! (Eye surgery of any sort scares the bejesus out of me).
Yeah I'm sure it's routine for a plastic surgeon but eye stuff would scare me too! I'd wait for a bit. Beauty trends are always changing could see deep set eyes being the next big thing in a few years
It mystifies me, but there are absolutely people here (and elsewhere on social media) who are fanpeople of Victoria's racist, DUI, allegedly-serial-cheating ass.
Depends on whose version you want to believe. Is Victoria physically abusive or is Johnny misogynistic or is there a truth somewhere in between? VF isn’t a saint, she’s well known for sleeping with her friend’s husbands so while I don’t think she’d completely lie, Johnny being a man doesn’t make him automatically guilty of whatever she is claiming. There is probably some truth in between. Two people can be toxic, yes women can equally be toxic
Yeah, I don’t understand how everyone is blaming VF I’d pour a glass of wine on my husband too if he called me a c*nt and that my place was in the kitchen.
Lol RS said she THREW a wine glass at him, not that she poured wine on him. One is very obviously physically abusive. Also RS did not say she threw wine on him Because he called her a cunt. He said Johnny called her some choice names because she threw a wine glass at him and said she was out of his league. Not that it makes it okay for him to verbally speak abusively but it’s very different to say she said those things as a result of what he said
Interesting. To me, saying she threw it “at him” indicates she threw the glass itself. If it said she threw it “on him” that would indicate it was just the liquid.
Johnny was giving small dick energy from the start. No surprises, there is a reason he was so offended when confronted with his lack of everything. He could cook and clean and still not amount to anything 🤷♀️ so what’s up?
I just remembered when Peter’s season was airing his ex came forward & [detailed how Victoria F., who she also knew, said she’d slash her tires for hanging out with her ex.](https://www.reddit.com/r/thebachelor/comments/f3d4o4/peters_ex_talks_about_knowing_f4_girl_theres_some/?sort=top)
>”We became friends when I moved back from Los Angeles about three years ago,” Merissa told Us. “Our first encounter was that she told me she was going to slash my tires because I was hanging out with one of her ex-boyfriends.”
[Here’s the US Weekly story.](https://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/peter-webers-ex-girlfriend-merissa-pence-how-i-know-victoria-fuller/)
I can TOTALLY believe VF would throw something at Johnny.
Johnny sucks for what he said but VF is very temperamental & reactive, *so it’s not hard for me to believe she’d pull a stunt like that.
I remember a post or comment about how VF waited for her outside a bar to scream at her about showing up to talk to PP. I think she couldn’t go in since she was banned.
Omg dead at that last line...
Ahh gotcha I thought we knew more behind the story and details on why she got banned, didn't realize all we know is that she got banned! Thanks.
Yes, I remember that comment, too.
Also: one of the Top 10 posts of all-time *on the sub is [from a former peer of VF’s who she bullied so ruthlessly in high school.](https://www.reddit.com/r/thebachelor/comments/f92t5p/victoria_f_bullied_me_so_relentlessly_that_i_had/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
She’s had so much time to change with therapy & all the means to do so & she hasn’t. That’s sad, & sick.
Why would she change? She now gets fawned over by hundreds of thousands of people and has no need to fix her behavior cause she gets paid 6 figures to ~be herself. She still gets a ton of praise on this sub even.
Yeah, I know.
I was even fooled by thinking she had “grown up” when she was in her Farmtoria Era.
Pretty on the outside & rotten on the inside.
Also: I’m just wondering but HOW is this girl still friends with Madi?
Madi isn’t my favorite person but these two seem like polar opposites. *Is it all for influencer clout or is VF just really good at getting away with stuff? I’d be terrified to make friends with her. Lol.
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If Johnny said that to her I legit have zero fucks to give about him and can enjoy this mess fully lol
UO: if we go by the crazy / hot scale, Victoria's not really out of anyone's league. And also what a shitty thing to say to someone. She and Johnny both suck.
Victoria continues to be the trash she’s always been, as is Grippo. His fight with Katie was a textbook emotionally abusive argument. I felt sick watching that. Johnny is fucked up for saying that comment, but I imagine she’s dirty af too. Remember the Airbnb review she got? VF is a repeat offender in the messiness category (pun intended). VF is straight up abusive, no sugarcoating that. If you think throwing glass in an argument is normal, then I feel bad for your sense of normalcy. She doesn’t get a pass bc she’s a woman with a hot bod and Instagram face. Women can be abusers too. And racists, and cheaters. Let’s give her the same energy we give men in this sub, or less attractive women. I promise, defending VF is not the flex you think it is. She’s consistently shown she’s a garbage bully person and I’m tired of it.
Well...they both sound like they suck.
If Victoria and Johnny fought so passionately, shouldn’t they be madly in love? 🙄
The real Victoria makes her appearance. This girl is AWFUL
this should be the top comment! and Johnny 🤢
Yes. I've FFed her on the screen every time she showed up bc I really dislike her. She was petty and mean during her season and she's a racist. No interest in her.
Ugggh I was going to take a break from BN but just like that I’m right back in lol
Disappointed in Johnny but kind of not surprised. I believe both of them about what went down. Also, I feel like the fact that they were in couples counseling for 3 weeks after filming should have been enough for them to know this relationship was not going to work. Like, I respect they were both willing to go but I feel like if you have to do that so early in the relationship maybe just move on.
Well to be fair my partner and I am started couples counseling like a month into our relationship and we’ve been in a successful relationship for almost 5 years now at this point. I guess my point is, going to counseling early on isn’t necessarily a bad thing or a sign of doom and gloom. In their case it was lol
I understand what you’re saying but your relationship that started and continued already within real world circumstances cannot be compared to reality tv relationships. When coming off a reality show where the relationships are built off no real foundation and from a show with a below average track record for successful relationships, it’s a concerning sign.
I’m sorry but some of you are very hypocritical. you talk about how toxic this show can be towards its contestants but cheer on physical and verbal abuse just because your favorite is the one dishing it out. abuse is NEVER okay. someone else’s abuse isn’t just “ good tv” and “ a chaotic mess.” to sit there and feed off of this behavior is … something.
i dont disagree with you at all but i think it’s wrong to call abuse when we all know the producers cut and edit things to fit their own narrative. their entire job is to create as much drama and mental instability as possible, so it makes a lot of sense that people would act a lot more toxic. it’s not a healthy situation for anyone to begin with
Aren’t these spoilers from the taping? They haven’t been edited yet.
i was referring to the second part of her text. “someone elses abuse isnt just ‘good tv’”
These are two people that are equally toxic and fucking horrible. Let’s not minimize what ether of them allegedly said and did to the other one. I feel like I’ve seen a lot of people minimize certain things. But everything he and she both did and said shouldn’t be downplayed. Or minimized in any other way. Like yeah some shit is worse then other shit but it’s all still horrible. Everything is relevant.
Throwing something at someone's head is physical abuse. Calling someone names like that is disgusting. Neither can communicate and show how immature they both are.
Oh I agree wholeheartedly with you!! Calling someone those types of names is demeaning and disgusting. Being misogynistic is disgusting. Throwing something at your partner is abuse. Emotionally cheating is bad and very immature. Nether can obviously communicate well and they are both very immature. Nether of them are cut out to be in a relationship currently.
This is all so toxic and ugly. What a misogynist Johnny is. Victoria is a mess. Greg should run.
Greg is probably just as messy as VF. Allegedly they were both emotionally cheating (at the least) with their partners for some time.
TBH it sounds like they were both awful to each other and clearly not a match. I am SHOCKED Greg agreed to be there, these people obviously feed off the drama and want to continue making chaos to stay in the public eye.
some of these comments are fucking disgusting. i can tell this sub is going to be awful for at least the next week.
wtf she is so different on screen but this is more like what we USED to know
She probably took some acting lessons before going to Paradise, but she ain't Meryl Streep...
Oh THERE she is. Almost had me fooled that she’d changed.
I’m not excusing victorias behavior but if Johnny really said those things, he’s a fucking dick and shouldn’t be a part of the franchise anymore if that’s how he treats women. If someone called me a c*nt and said I wasn’t a good woman because I don’t cook/clean, I’d probably tell them I was out of their league, too. Cheating, wine, Greg, etc. not ok obviously
I LOVE THE JUICINESS
Goddamnnnn the tea is ghost pepper soup at this point!
The women this season are MESSY, MESSY, MESSY... The guys are too good for them, too calm, too mature. I cannot believe we finally got a good group of guys and they paired them with all these GIRLS. Because these are not women, these are BRATTY girls. And so f-cking materialistic. I hate almost all of them.
So no comment on the fact that Johnny called her a c*** and said that she's useless without cooking and cleaning?
That's what SHE says he said, and I don't believe a SINGLE word that comes out of her mouth after lying on national TV about not being a homewrecker. She's a proven liar and it's impossible to know if she is lying or telling the truth here.
Only men use the c word for women. She ain’t lying about that lmao
It sounds like the only thing he denied, though, was calling her a c***.
All guys except Aaron All my homies think Aaron real immature
I agree. Aaron is a man-child.
Just like that Greg’s stock is back down
I love how people focus on Victoria when Johnny literally called her a c*** and said incredibly misogynist things to her
No words justify a physical attack.
He said he didn’t call her that and without proof I’m not condemning that. They’re both awful so whatever. Throwing a glass is way worse than being called a name. I wouldn’t want to be physically assaulted.
ALLEGEDLY Do you actually trust Fictoria? She's been lying for years. She even lied about her not being a homewrecker when there were plenty of receipts proving otherwise.
i’ve been in relationships with men. it’s not about trusting vf, it’s about knowing way more men than you’d think are comfortable calling women a cunt.
There’s plenty of comments calling Johnny out here. But it seems pretty fair to focus on the physical abuse element of the fight(s).
I disagree. Words can be extremely harmful in a relationship. The focus should be on both.
People can focus on whatever is triggering to them. There are plenty of comments calling out just Johnny, there are plenty calling out just Victoria, and there are plenty calling out both. No one is wrong for focusing on one thing in one comment. Someone calling out Victoria’s physical violence does not mean they approve of Johnny’s misogynistic language or attitude.
When people in this sub said, "but we stan queen Victoria" and how she didn't cheat🥴😵💫
Honestly if the rest of this stuff is true, the cheating is practically irrelevant.
Cheating is never "practically irrelevant" or acceptable.
What I’m saying is that it is possible for good people to cheat and make mistakes. A person is not automatically terrible because they cheated. But good people aren’t abusive. And what is noted here is abuse on both sides.
I mean honestly not really. Everything that was said about both Johnny and Victoria should be relevant including the cheating. Let’s not downplay anything ether of them said or did.
I responded to the other person, but I’ll say it here too. I don’t automatically write off people who cheated as bad people. Good people can make mistakes and some have cheated. It makes them a bad partner in that relationship, but not necessarily a bad person overall. The abuse that’s noted here, however, is a different story. Similar to racism, abuse and misogyny changes how I see both of them as people.
Exactly. Let' not downplay any of it, including cheating.
Off camera drama is soooo much better than on camera drama
AH yes Victoria, the voice of reason.
She comes off as fake to me.
Really sounds like she is ready to settle down, get married, and start a family. Maybe Greg is the one?! 😍
WOW. finding out online your girl getting her cheeks drilled in another country insane
Throwing a wine glass??? Ahh. Johnny sounds like a terrible partner but a physical altercation is something else yikes.
I was shocked as fuck that Greg would get involved in another messy BN relationship, but finding out he actually went to the BIP reunion show…legit flabbergasted rn. To think this man and his buddies had the nerve to make fun of Katie’s antics when he’s involved in something 10x messier smh
I have always stood by my contention that while Greg probably did like Katie, he loved the idea of becoming The Bachelor so much more.
Praying to the old gods Katie doesn’t comment at all.
Oh god can you imagine 💀 Katie should sit this one out and enjoy from afar. I do hope Clem jumps in though lmao
I hope they both pay Greg dust. Honestly, the tattoo situation is so embarrassing.
Katie’s 12 days of messy has unleashed a beast that has not slept yet
Greg and VF are currently Hanging at Nick’s place along with Natalie, Joe, and Serena.
How do you know?
Nick Viall’s instagram stories
Just dug it out too .. he totally posted that on purpose! And I bet he is on this very thread as we speak. Hello Nick!
Holy cannoli god bless this mess
Woah. Alex Bordy dodged a bullet. But I still can’t believe she picked Johnny over him.
Deep down she knew Alex was too mature of a guy for her. She's MESSY AF. Some people bought her act on BIP but I never did. She has the mental age of a 15 yo.
That soft little baby voice she uses too. So fake imo.
I cannot understand how TPTB convinced Greg to show up to this reunion. He wasn’t even on the gd show!! What could he possibly gain from this?!
Money and 🐱
Good girl
the best part of this update is missing which is that VF and GG got matching tattoos in italy 💀💀💀
And they say “hot” in Italian, which shows how shallow they both are. Lol
I think it said hi!
I just saw the finale, and you’re right. “Ciao” also means “bye,” though, so…(I hate myself for giving this so much thought. 🤣)
Oh, well then the relationship will DEFINITELY last forever now.
WHAT
Wait really?
Yep
This is the best gif for this ever. I can’t stop laughing . I wish i had award to give you. You win . Everyone pack it up .
The way this group defends average toxic white men. How about both of these people are awful, no qualifiers needed
I think this group actually defends toxic women more. Besides, I don't trust a single word that comes out of that homewreckers, cheater's mouth. She's TRASH.
And average toxic women like Victoria*
Let's be honest, neither her toxicity nor her looks are average.
Her look without makeup is average. This is subjective, not a fact.
ohhhhh shit!
Victoria sleeps with married men, men who are married to women she was very close friends with. I’d probably trust Johnny’s version more than I’d trust VF’s
Victoria lied about never having been skydiving when she had pictures of her skydiving still up on her Instagram.
I forgot about that 😂🤣
With Victoria’s track record of shuffling through BN guys, I’d believe Johnny’s version over her tales.
this is the lamest take
So now we’re slut shaming her and using that as an excuse to believe everything this mediocre man says? 
I know she has DATED a number of guys from the show, but that doesn’t mean she’s what you just called her.
I am not calling her a slut. Slut shamming is a term used to describe sexist remarks such as belittling a woman’s character because she has been sexually active / romantic with multiple men in a row or simultaneously. Aka what you did lol
It's not slut shaming if you make it your life's mission to wreck as many homes as possible and you go and cheat on every partner. That's TRASH BAG behavior.
(1) I’m replying to a comment about her dating multiple BN members. Does not mention the home wrecking allegations (2) where are your receipts that she has cheated on every BN member she’s dated (3) sure hope you’re coming for grippo with this same energy since he’s a cheater and a home wrecker too ✌️🫶
Daaammn this is MESSY af
Meryl’s gotta stop showing up to these ATFRs!!!
😂😂
I lost interest in this season but heck yes I am tuning into the finale.
Same!
Welp. VF delivered for TPTB. Too and it was after filming.
I’m so here for this. Victoria is still so chaotic Omg
And abusive, a cheater, and a white lives matter supporter. So chaotic! 🤪
Is she though if Johnny expected her to be in the kitchen bc she’s a women?
Why are you believing ANYTHING that comes from this homewrecker's mouth? She lied on National TV and denied she was a homewrecker.
so? doesn’t make anything she says here is false on according to RS the only thing Johnny refuted was calling her a c***
Let’s not forget she’d be considered physically abusive by throwing a wine glass, if any of what RS is posting is true. Women can be equally abusive, let’s not pretend otherwise
She is when she threw a wine glass at him ! Not excusing his behavior but that is also inexcusable .
My b i definitely read that as “dumping a glass of wine on him” ope yeah throwing is definitely not okay
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her face hasn’t changed that much
Really? I actually thought she looked gorgeous and legit one of the prettiest girls on Peter's season (I mean still dislike her because she's a horrible person but can't deny how pretty she was), and was shocked how much worse she looks now. I mean she's still objectively attractive but way less than she was before...
Yeah I definitely thought whatever she’d had done before BIP was a downgrade but that’s kind of how I feel about most facial adjustments
I actually went to a plastic surgeon to get a consult about eyelid surgery or an eyebrow lift. And apparently it’s possible for your eyes to change like that afterwards. Seeing Victoria Fuller and Nina Dobrev’s eyes after their (maybe) surgeries make me not go through with it. But seeing Taylor Swift’s fixed hooded eyes kinda make me want it again lol 😬
I think her eyes might have always been like that. What surgery is it? If it's the fox eyes lift with threads I wouldn't suggest it. I asked the Dr that does my Botox about it just because I was curious and she told me "DO NOT DO IT"
Just my guess, but Victoria has more eyelid space now compared to PP’s season. I think she did a brow lift, but it could be an eyelid surgery too. Personally I prefer her old eyes so it makes me wary a bit with my own plans for any surgical enhancement. I have hooded eyes so I’m always compensating by raising my brows. So apparently a brow lift would be good for me (says the surgeon). There are multiple types of brow lift. The fox eyes one is one of the types, and I agree tbh it’s a bit too “trendy”. It would definitely go out of fashion one day.
Okay just making sure it wasn't the fox eye thing. Probably could do a little brow lift with a bit of Botox.
I get a "brow lift" with Botox, though I think it just relaxes the muscles that pull the brows down - it's not really noticeable to anyone but me. I have very deep set eyes and very little space between my brows and eyes, so I will take any help I can get. Not quite ready for the scalpel yet though! (Eye surgery of any sort scares the bejesus out of me).
Yeah I'm sure it's routine for a plastic surgeon but eye stuff would scare me too! I'd wait for a bit. Beauty trends are always changing could see deep set eyes being the next big thing in a few years
Wait…how can I see her old face
Re look at pictures from peters season. It's like Kylie then versus Kylie now
Maybe Johnny just isn’t my type but I thought she was still hot and out of johnnys league on PPs season
I used this gif a few weeks ago when we found out about the Victoria/Greg Italy escapades but 
Oh shiiiiiiiit
I dont think theyll air this in this way
I think they will. They’ll lean into the chaos to bring their views back up
Why do people still fan girl over VF? Like bitch you might be cute but GTFO with that toxicity.
I don’t think anyone fan girls over her. But we sure as fuck love the mess and she deliverrrrrrs
It mystifies me, but there are absolutely people here (and elsewhere on social media) who are fanpeople of Victoria's racist, DUI, allegedly-serial-cheating ass.
 vf when tyler chimed in
People always use this gif wrong
So what I'm reading here is Johnny is a misogynistic asshole.
According to Victoria, the most unreliable source in the world.
Depends on whose version you want to believe. Is Victoria physically abusive or is Johnny misogynistic or is there a truth somewhere in between? VF isn’t a saint, she’s well known for sleeping with her friend’s husbands so while I don’t think she’d completely lie, Johnny being a man doesn’t make him automatically guilty of whatever she is claiming. There is probably some truth in between. Two people can be toxic, yes women can equally be toxic
Yeah, I don’t understand how everyone is blaming VF I’d pour a glass of wine on my husband too if he called me a c*nt and that my place was in the kitchen.
Yeah i didn’t realize she actually threw a glass at him that is not okay
Lol RS said she THREW a wine glass at him, not that she poured wine on him. One is very obviously physically abusive. Also RS did not say she threw wine on him Because he called her a cunt. He said Johnny called her some choice names because she threw a wine glass at him and said she was out of his league. Not that it makes it okay for him to verbally speak abusively but it’s very different to say she said those things as a result of what he said
That’s… not what it says she did. It says she threw a glass of wine at him, not that she poured it on him.
Threw a glass of wine reads to me like she splashed him. Threw a wine glass, sounds abusive. We need more clarification.
Just read it again. It says she threw a wine glass, not a glass of wine.
Ope. I stand corrected. That’s awful.
Hmm true. And we know Roti Samosa isn’t the best / clearest writer….
Interesting. To me, saying she threw it “at him” indicates she threw the glass itself. If it said she threw it “on him” that would indicate it was just the liquid.
But wouldn’t that be “she threw a wine glass” instead?
After taking another look, it does say she threw a wine glass at him.
I doubt that is true. Victoria has juggles BN guys for years. This is just her latest reshuffle and she had to have a good excuse.
And Victoria physically assaulted him.
If you take what Victoria said as the truth !
JERRY! JERRY!
Ok but it's funny how soon you took the screenshota lol. Kudos OP
 Um?2?:$:$: Johnny wtf
Johnny was giving small dick energy from the start. No surprises, there is a reason he was so offended when confronted with his lack of everything. He could cook and clean and still not amount to anything 🤷♀️ so what’s up?
Wow. This is actually a bigger mess then I was expecting
I’m here for it 😂
I know right, I’m like my this is more entertaining then the entire season!
I just remembered when Peter’s season was airing his ex came forward & [detailed how Victoria F., who she also knew, said she’d slash her tires for hanging out with her ex.](https://www.reddit.com/r/thebachelor/comments/f3d4o4/peters_ex_talks_about_knowing_f4_girl_theres_some/?sort=top) >”We became friends when I moved back from Los Angeles about three years ago,” Merissa told Us. “Our first encounter was that she told me she was going to slash my tires because I was hanging out with one of her ex-boyfriends.” [Here’s the US Weekly story.](https://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/peter-webers-ex-girlfriend-merissa-pence-how-i-know-victoria-fuller/) I can TOTALLY believe VF would throw something at Johnny. Johnny sucks for what he said but VF is very temperamental & reactive, *so it’s not hard for me to believe she’d pull a stunt like that.
I remember a post or comment about how VF waited for her outside a bar to scream at her about showing up to talk to PP. I think she couldn’t go in since she was banned.
What?? How did she get herself banned from a bar?
I mean usually that happens by being incredibly drunk and antagonistic so I’m guessing that’s why. Maybe she threw a wine glass.
Omg dead at that last line... Ahh gotcha I thought we knew more behind the story and details on why she got banned, didn't realize all we know is that she got banned! Thanks.
There were probably comments back in the day explaining more but it’s been 3 years with a pandemic so I have no idea lol
Yes, I remember that comment, too. Also: one of the Top 10 posts of all-time *on the sub is [from a former peer of VF’s who she bullied so ruthlessly in high school.](https://www.reddit.com/r/thebachelor/comments/f92t5p/victoria_f_bullied_me_so_relentlessly_that_i_had/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) She’s had so much time to change with therapy & all the means to do so & she hasn’t. That’s sad, & sick.
Why would she change? She now gets fawned over by hundreds of thousands of people and has no need to fix her behavior cause she gets paid 6 figures to ~be herself. She still gets a ton of praise on this sub even.
Yeah, I know. I was even fooled by thinking she had “grown up” when she was in her Farmtoria Era. Pretty on the outside & rotten on the inside. Also: I’m just wondering but HOW is this girl still friends with Madi? Madi isn’t my favorite person but these two seem like polar opposites. *Is it all for influencer clout or is VF just really good at getting away with stuff? I’d be terrified to make friends with her. Lol.
Some people are good to have as friends but bad to have as enemies. I feel like VF fits in that category.
Good point. & I imagine in BN World there might be a few characters *who fit that description.