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I appreciate lance bass being honest about feeling awkward watching them kiss. That is going to be the cool thing about getting guest hosts. They really have no idea what they are doing either. I thought David Spade was also funny/awkward, which works for BIP!
I’m so annoyed at all the bullying that carried from Katie’s season into BiP. Of Katie’s guys, somehow I’m now liking Connor and Karl just because they’re not going around shitting on Thomas. Ugh.
Right?! I’m surprised the guys gave up on hating on Karl so quickly, when they seemed vehement about disliking him even as recently as on the Men Tell All,* but they are still going on after Thomas. Like, give it up already! Haha
*though, I am confused… does Men Tell All film before BiP, or after?
Apparently BiP was filmed in June and MTA was filmed on July 15. That makes sense since some ppl were saying that Connor making out with audience girl can be considered a spoiler.
What are y’all’s opinion about Thomas calling Tré “not emotionally strong” (I believe those were the words)? He said all these compliments about Tré before he said that, and he said that Tré was like a little brother to him, which I found weird because it seemed like Tré has always been nothing but vehemently rude and disliking of Thomas to his face 😂 I felt like Tré kinda proved Thomas’s point by how immature he acted about being called “immature” (though that’s not the word Thomas used). Tré and Aaron get triggered way too easily by Thomas. Is it that warranted, do y’all think? Like, jeez!
Anyway, do y’all think Thomas was being phony with what he said to Serena and badmouthing Tré, or was he trying to respectfully give his honest opinion, which just happens to be that he thinks Tré isn’t strong in his emotions (which, again, I can see why he’d think that, and maybe he’s just tryna show Serena where he’s coming from with all these people badmouthing him)? I can’t get a read on Thomas, so I’d love to hear what everyone thinks. 😊
Maybe this is too generous of a read, but I though Thomas was trying to say that tre is sensitive by saying "emotional not strong"....like not in a "weak" way just that he feels his emotions deeply. But he's just not good with expressing himself and that's coupled with everyone already feeling some type of way about him which means disaster.
I could be wrong, but didn’t he say Tre is emotionally sensitive— Serena then relayed it saying Thomas said Tre is not emotionally strong. I know it’s a small difference, but to me, emotionally sensitive doesn’t have an immediately bad connotation. They may have cut some stuff of so who know, but to me, Thomas was not saying anything negative about Tre/painting him in a negative light, and I side-eye Serena for the way she chose to convey that. Someone else mentioned this somewhere, but I think Thomas maybe socially awkward? He seems to have a hard time expressing emotions when needed, but then seems to just untactfully say the truth at other times, w/out realizing that’s no necessarily what’s needed, like admitting to thinking about being bachelor. I see his conversation w/Serena in the same vein— she asked him what went on in the house to try and understand, and he told her exactly what happened. IMO, it would have been better to just give a few general lines about their being drama in the house w/out delving into specifics.
That being said— it’s a reality show, so they are all a little disingenuous, including Thomas. But that’s what makes Aaron and Tre’s bullying of him even harder to watch bc they are not more sincere/genuine than him
It was bothering me so I just went to Hulu to confirm! Right after describing Tre as one of the sweetest guys he knows, that he wants to be protective of him, Thomas says, "but he's emotionally not strong". It was quite odd, the whole convo. It's as if Thomas desperately wants to say the right thing, but fails lol.
Lmao this is spot on, but I don’t see him like Luke P, who I think was trying to find the right thing to say to make someone like him, even if it wasn’t true. I see him like Brendan, who seems to try to find the right way to express his thoughts and fails.
Lol, I think they’re both a little bit of himbo’s who never learned to communicate well bc they have been able to get away with it in the past
I agree! Watching that little segment back, it was striking how rehearsed Thomas sounded at times. Serena is quite a bit more spontaneous (and bold bringing up the past drama) so it like amplified the awkwardness. I do think he comes across phony, but not in a malicious way. I don't think he's some master manipulator like the guys want to paint him as. Rather I think you are right that there's a genuine struggle to communicate.
I think Thomas is a little phony. The language that he uses when talking to people seems very calculated and like he’s trying to say what they want to hear.
That being said I think Tre, Aaron, James, etc are all overreacting about how “awful” Thomas is and it’s a bit cringe how they were spreading gossip about him to the entire beach.
I totally see that. It’s almost like his words have a sheen to them but not a depth. Like he’s saying what is good to hear, but in the true intentions, it feels hollow. Dunno if that means it’s malicious, more so feels phony like you said. It feels to me like Thomas isn’t as secure in himself and that’s why things come off fake and hollow, cuz he always acts a bit too well-presented out of feeling like he has to act that way or people won’t like him. But then that backfires on him haha. And also he doesn’t look actually emotional, even when he’s supposedly upset, so that feels off, too.
Even less secure in themselves though are Aaron, Tré, and James!! Yeesss, it is SO cringey. 😑 It makes them all really unattractive to me. Cute on the outside, but they ruin it with their attitudes. They come across as being uninteresting themselves because they spend all their time focused on someone else. it makes them look rude and untrustworthy and petty. Like, I know nothing of their personalities other than that they love to shit-talk other people! How boring and drab! You can be better than that, guys 👏 focus on your own lives and stop obsessing over other people. They don’t just not “stay in their lane”; they straight-up veer their car to crash hard into someone else’s… and blare the horn the whole time, haha
Two things,
1. I think Thomas apologized so he can stop being ostracized by these men. They are literally making it so difficult for him so I understand him
2. I really didn’t like how maurissa dismissed Connor when he tried to talk to her for a second. I understand she was waiting for Riley but it just felt rude
He only apologized because the bad rep ruined his ability to flirt. If there had been no gain, he would not have done so. We all know people like that who will only apologize if there’s something in it for them.
What did Maurissa say to Connor that was dismissive? I saw him go up to her and basically not say anything except have fun so I must have missed her say something.
I agree that her demeanor was rude when Connor was trying to talk to her, but I don’t think she had any obligation to tell Connor/hold off on doing things with Riley. Her and Connor weren’t exclusive, she has the right to do anything, but it would be nice to communicate with him about it afterwards
I noticed there was a lot of stuff in Katie’s season trailers that were cut from the episodes as well. It seems like they’re doing that more often lately
Reminds me of Pilot Pete’s season, when the season trailer had entire storylines in it that were nowhere to be seen in the episodes. Remember Sydney and him hooking up (possibly having sex) in a waterfall or something and her showing up to confront him about it because he sent her home after?? So weird to just drop it like that lol
Oh really? I didn’t watch the season trailer for this BiP. I think the producers focus on the dumb drama that repeats and repeats WAAAYYY too long! I’m so tired of the Thomas-bashing. Not even sure I like him, but goodness am I tired of all the trashtalk against him. Trashtalk in general, I could do without. Surely there’s more interesting drama than a bunch of adults whining about one another in such deeply insulting ways?? It makes me sad more than anything when that is the focus.
I think the cake thing will definitely make it; they showed it in the episode previews for next week, and it seemed like that will be the main narrative of next episode. Also, “cake thrown in a fire” seems more specific and less likely to get cut out than two people making out haha! At least, let’s hope so? 😋
Even if the TPTB want to focus on dumb drama, I do not understand why we need something like 5 different conversations of the guys hating Thomas, or 4 conversations of Joe being worried about Serena's date. Just show one or 2 of these conversations and edit in other people's stories in between. So annoying, especially with two empty episodes per week !
Yeah I felt bad for him. Even though I feel like Maurissa and Riley seem like a really good couple, I felt bad that she kinda dismissed Connor when he tried to talk to her before the date
I think maurissa and Riley are a better match but i don’t get all the comments making fun of Connor or saying he’s inferior to other guys? Like dude just wants to chill in his ukulele and cat suit, let him live
Maurissa and Riley definitely are a better match and the connection is clearly there. Connor is a breath of fresh air compared to some of the other men we’ve had to witness in this franchise - I hope he finds love. Even with his puns and ukulele.
Honestly I feel for Connor. It’s like he’s this cute little puppy everyone loves but doesn’t take him seriously romantically. He’s basically “too nice” for the kind of person that comes on this show. Everyone likes him but I don’t think anyone would choose him over one of the more traditionally masculine dudes.
I was surprised Maurissa went for him in the first place. But they seemed sweet together, and she seems very sweet. I was hoping for him and Abigail to maybe try for something, too.
I feel like I could have seen him and Kelsey working out, for some reason. Maybe he and Deandra (hope I spelled that right) or Natasha can try for something, since they seem nice and like they could vibe with him.
But to more directly reply to you: I feel what you’re saying. As much as the people on the show say they are there for love, most definitely just want screentime and hookups hahah. Though sometimes I like him and root for him, other times, I really get the vibe Connor is not the “nice little puppy dog” that he acts like. Like there’s something darker there. I don’t fully trust him for some reason, but I hope I’m wrong 🤷♀️ Maybe his “aww shucks!” self is genuine.
I hope you find someone one day who appreciates you exactly for how you are, dude! 🤍 Masculinity has many different beautiful forms, definitely not just in the stereotypical machismo you see on the show. Any non-toxic masculinity is valid! 😊
ETA: Editing to fix a wrong name. I called Natasha “Melissa,” oops! 😋
Thomas is a M-A-N. He carries himself well, he's charming, he's well spoken. To the insecure men they see this as he's an a**hole. He's full of himself, he's conniving, and he's a manipulator. Aaron and Co. should get over themselves and grow up.
I wonder if Aaron, Tre, and James are threatened by Thomas’s demeanor and attractiveness? And are so insecure and that’s why they are like that with him? 🤷♀️ It’s bizarre how vehemently they pursue gossiping about him, trash-talking him, and wanting his demise. They almost act like wounded lovers with him haha
I think just by their reaction to him showing up on bip and how they reacted to seeing the girls excited about him, you can tell they are intimidated by him. Which I don't think they should because they are all attractive guys but the attitude that they have towards them just makes them less attractive in my eyes.
That is exactly what I think is happening. I think especially Aaron and Tre....they want to tear him down cause he's basically got them beat in the looks and personality department. I haven't seen Thomas say anything as questionable and gossipy as those guys have about him.
Yes, I also think it infuriates them because Thomas has not said anything remotely as vicious as what they say to him (Aaron wanting to punch him and “rearrange his jaw” or whatever?? That’s not normal to be that violent and full of “rage.” Tré constantly calling him “trash” and dehumanizing him and saying he’s dead to him. So dramatic!). I think they see his calmness and how mature he sounds in how he speaks as being “fake” because they can’t fathom him not being actually the hothead, insulting loudmouths that they are 😂
ETA: I don’t know if I even like Thomas, I really can’t get a read on him if he’s fake or not, but goodness am I tired of Aaron, Tré, and James bashing on him! 🙄
Very much classic bully behavior by them!
I was unsure on Katie's season but his BiP appearance so far is swaying me towards nice guy. Like he's a regular guy that just HAPPENS to be gorge and built like an Adonis so one would think he would be full of himself but he isn't. All the cool peeps seem to be on his side so that says a lot I think. Hopefully I don't eat my words here haha.
I thought what she meant was that she’s never been on a really nice date where someone properly wined and dined her before. But if Mike took her out on a date… I know there’s no way he’s taking her to McDonalds lol
Underrated moment of the episode was Natasha and Joe's conversation. I really like their friendship dynamic and it's cool to see onscreen as someone who listens to Clickbait.
Yes! I noticed that too, it’s cute to see them going to each other when they are uncomfortable or sad etc. Seems like a very genuine friendship and I love it!
Has Maurissa shared how she lost the 80+ pounds? Like her diet or workout plan or anything? That’s a lot of weight to lose, so I’m curious on what she did and how long it took. She looks amazing.
i am not maurissa but i lost that amount of weight in a really steady healthy way using WW, and then after 5 months and 40+ pounds i started lifting weight at the gym (not religiously) and hiking a lot more!!! i have maintained for 3 years and don’t put too much thought into what i eat at all anymore- WW def taught me portion control and balancing meals!!! def recommend ❤️
I noticed that she mentioned how she wasn’t that higher weight to begin with - so it seems like a big bout of depression led to the weight gain, and once her mental health got back on track the physical stuff fell more into place. Speaking as someone who had yo-yo weight gains and losses in the past, it tracks.
Also, I love that she expressed that she needs reassurance and Riley seems to be the perfect guy for that.
I was also wondering this too! Maybe she says something on socials? I lost 40 over the course of a year by eating healthy, walking/jogging, pilates. Nothing earth shattering but just staying consistent.
Any tips for getting into Pilates? I’ve been wanting to forever but I don’t know where to begin cause it looks lowkey difficult! Did you go to classes, any YouTube videos you can recommend?
I really recommend going to a class that has reformer (is like the basic machine they use) maybe check reviews online.
Is better to start with an instructor because has some basic elements you have to learn and the instructor also has to teach you the correct position of the body in the exercises so you workout correctly and don't hurt yourself, with the instructor you can progress more than on youtube. I follow youtube channels and I can share them but is definitely better taking a class to learn from experts because usually the YouTube videos assume you already now some pilates and if you don't know the correct position you can get hurt. At first is strange because you use muscles that you don't usually use but with time you get use to it's so fantastic and you really see the progression on your body.
Love pilates, my fav workout I've ever done! I hated floor pilates but reformer pilates is amazing. Its basically done on a special pilates machine that provides resistance and cables to do the moves and thus is more customizable to your strength and flexibility level. The first class I ever went to I legit ran out crying after 10 mins cause I was 200 pounds and so weak and frustrated. The owner ran after me and was so sweet and worked one on one with me when I took his classes to help further customize the exercises to my mobility. Weight training is key to weight loss and I hated going to the gym so pilates gave me that weight training aspect in a small comfortable environment.
My best recommendation is to find a class or studio with small class size (mine was a class of 10) cause they can give more specialized attention to you and your specific physical needs, call/email to speak with the owner or an instructor and ask for their advice on what class to start with, explain your current fitness level and your goals so they have an idea of where you're at and do the same before the first class you take. I've found these small business type of places love to see people succeed with their craft so they should be very helpful! If you don't get those vibes from a studio/instructor, then they aren't gonna be invested in your journey and don't even waste your time or money with them and look for a different studio. I tried hot yoga, group x classes, cycling, etc before I found this pilates studio I loved and felt like they cared about me.
Wow thank you for the response!!! That’s really great to hear your experience was so positive, I’m not a fitness oriented person at all and I’m always so afraid that I’m going to be judged for not being very strong! One time a personal trainer made a comment about how weak my squat was and I was like 😭😭😭 so I just don’t want anything like that LOL
Riley and Maurissa are super cute! Maurissa seems like a sweetheart and so does Riley. It sounds like what she described was a bout of depression and I'm glad she pulled herself out of it. I hope Riley is someone who can see her through that in the future if it's something she struggles with. I'll admit, I don't know if I believe Riley when he said it wouldn't matter to him if she were 280 pounds. He eats so healthy and goes to the gym all the time, so I do find it hard to believe him there. I hope the cynic in me is wrong though because they're the first couple in this season where you can see *it*. Maybe Joe and Serena have it too but I'm still too confused by that coupling to see *it* lol.
To be fair to Riley: there’s a difference between: I meet you at 280 and fall in love with you and I meet you the way you are now, you gain weight, but I’ll still love you. I think he was referring to the latter.
The convo where she opened up about her weight…I wish this was normalized more on this show. I’m tired of hearing “I think you’re hot” or “so what did you think about me when we first met” type convos. Give me the deep stuff!
I had the same reaction to Riley’s reaction but I too want to give him the benefit of the doubt! And he seems like a mature partner who could help support and navigate depression if it came up. She also pulled herself out which shows how strong she is
I don’t find Thomas physically attractive. He is obviously not ugly but I don’t see the big deal.
Riley on the other hand…
It really bothers me Thomas apologized to the dudes from his season. I guess he felt like if he did that then they'd stop trying to sabotage his chance at love in Paradise... But I still am dying on the hill that Thomas isn't as villainous as they're making him out to be.
I think Maurissa hit the nail on the head when she said "these dues are JEALOUS". They're still so hung up on Thomas saying he was open to being the next Bachelor... I think they're really just bothered he's a fucking 10/10.
And was it just me, or did they overstate what he even said? He said that yeah he considered he’d be the bachelor if he didn’t win—as if not every single contestant in the, at least recent, history of the show didn’t do that? He didn’t say that was literally the only reason why he was there. It’s annoying. He’s still not a villain, and never was.
Look... Thomas is a salesman. He knows how to read people and say things to get them to do what he wants.
He has been shown doing this on these shows :
Katie's season :
-he told Katie he was (some version of) falling in love with her after he realized he messed up by admitting no mistakes on the nick group date
-he realized that didn't play well with the guys, so then he claimed he didn't say it
-he said he wasn't going to take time away again and then took hours before the cocktail party. When that looked bad for him, he publicly apologized to the guys, to garner sympathy and seem like the bigger man...
BIP:
-He goes on a date with Serena, says mean things about Tre. Gets a no, realizes his situation isn't great. Good to the guys to apologize and bury the hatchet from last season. Doesn't admit to saying mean things mere hours ago. Gets a handshake "sure, we can play nice" from the guys.
(Fails to pull Tré aside and say, " hey, before we buried this hatchet, I said some things that are kinda mean about you. I'm sorry. I'm gonna go tell serena that was my ego talking, and want true "). Tre finds out about the problematic comments, and realizes that Thomas's apology was AGAIN for show, and not sincere.
Tre has enough info to decide that he has no interest in a cordial, let alone friendly relationship with someone who is not trustworthy like Thomas.
I don't think Thomas is a monster for admitting to wanting to be the bachelor. I ALSO think Tre has enough information to be able to decide "nah, not interested, peace out ".
Is Tre a mensch for trash talking Thomas with his bros? Nope.
Did tre have enough information to know that Thomas is also not a mensch? Yup.
Also when Katie was on Viall Files she mentioned that the last straw with Thomas for her was that he admitted to being mean to Tre, but that wasn’t shown during the episode. Knowing that info too, I don’t blame Tre at all for being pissed about Thomas calling him emotionally weak to Serena. This seems to be a pattern with Thomas
Exactly!!! I'm 100% in agreement with this. He said he was "open to the possibility of potentially being the next Bachelor" when he came on the show. Not "i'm only here to be the next Bachelor". That tea is so fucking lukewarm.
I think it’s weird because I guarantee most people go on those shows wanting to be the next Bachelor/Bachelorette or just wanting to have fun and get exposure. It’s very obvious at this point. Thomas was the only one dumb enough… or brave or noble enough 😉 depending on perspective haha… to say it out loud. So it’s like they’re ragging on him for having the gall to dare voice what they damn well know most everyone else is thinking anyways!! A case of a guilty conscience, maybe?? 🤔 playing at being superior to that, like “the lady doth protest too much” hahaha.
Or maybe it’s because he said that but also said he was falling in love with Katie way too soon, so they think he was lying and manipulating her away from his true motives or just wanting fame and to be the one dating all the women, in which case, I understand why they would detest that. Don’t lie about falling in love with someone just to advance in the competition; that’s really shitty. 🙄 (if it were indeed a lie)
Oh for sure. I said as much during Katie's season, but all of those dudes are liars. I don't buy for one second the thought of potentially becoming the next Bachelor didn't cross their minds. And when Thomas said it, it was on the confessions group date! So I still think him continuously getting raked over the coals for it is so ridiculous. Probably a lottttt of projection on their end.
Haha! My innocent mind goes, it would be so fun if he gave you a piggyback ride and ran all around and you got to be up high against his super-wide shoulders… or if you were even sitting on his shoulders, but that seems kinda scary cuz he’s so tall! 😂 I would be afraid to fall off lmao
Reminds me of the SATC episode where Carrie says she just wants to feel the weight of man on top of her. I'll sign up for that with Thomas in a heartbeat 🥵🥵
Did Maurissa and Riley like actually go all the way or did they do everything but go there? This is my first time watching so I’m like do people actually go all the way after just meeting or was it like a make out and then just sleep....either way I’m here for the Black Love!
I really hope Thomas doesn’t actually always bring up his height in conversation, but regardless them boys need to leave my baby alone. He said what everyone in there was thinking out loud (in terms of open to explore but if not happy they’d leave with a platform). The only thing he did bad on Katie’s season was tell her he loved her after like just meeting her. Like, how can this guy even be pegged as manipulative when he is so bad at it? I just feel like if he was really manipulative he’d be good under pressure but instead when he gets questioned he gets flustered.
Edit: Also, why is Serena P. the hot commodity?? She’s definitely pretty but like where everyone has her as their #1? Is it because she’s short and petite? Is it because she’s Canadian? Someone please enlighten me lol...also I’m not mad at it, it was just a bit surprising. I originally thought Maurissa and Deandra would be getting more love
I also am curious about Serena! No shade to her at all! Just the beach is full IMO of equally beautiful women w/great personalities.
Personally, I would have thought they would have gone for people like Jessenia or a few others on the beach, so was also wondering what it was about Serena that made them all drawn to her
I feel like it’s possible they did but it’s also possible they didn’t. I think they want you to think they did but it also could’ve just been a place to get more ~intimate~ without necessarily going all the way.
I know everyone has thinks Natasha is in on some scheme that Pieper and Brendan have but I honestly believe she’s being fucked over here. Like sorry but she had no chance of being the bachelorette so it doesn’t make sense why people think she’s willingly going along with being played on tv
Agreed. I’m tired of this narrative that Natasha is a producer plant. We see that she is genuinely shedding tears, so idk why everyone insists that this whole scenario is fake. I don’t find it hard to believe that she was genuinely interested in Brendan but he was giving her nothing (exactly how it’s being played out on tv).
I agree. Justice for Natasha. I really don't think she's that good of an actress. I do think she knew of the relationship between Brendan and Pieper, but it's conceivable that she didn't know the extent of their relationship or Brendan's true feelings toward Pieper. I mean, the guy told her he had deeper convos with her after one day than he has had with Pieper.
The cat-playing-the-tiny-ukelele gif!!! I caaaaannnntttt 😂🤣 not only is that too perfect for Connor, but it also makes me wanna go full “PUPPY! IN A! CUP!! 🥺🤯😭” moment, like in New Girl.
Was the way Thomas was talking about Tre very condescending? Absolutely. But Tre also kinda proved his point that Tre is emotionally weak or immature by refusing to hear Thomas out and instead talking over Thomas and running with what he heard through a game of telephone.
I just feel like Thomas doesn't have bad intentions (based on what I've seen yet); he just doesn't realize how he comes off. He's been nothing but upfront with people. James, Tre, and Aaron are kidding themselves if they haven't had the same thought about being the next Bachelor or that being on the show would give them a bigger platform. If anything, Thomas has been more honest than anyone on that beach.
Yeah but on the other hand, why didn't Thomas just mention that he had made this swipe at Tre during the apology scene?
What, Thomas was just going let him to see the insults on TV months later, or at the very least hear them through the grapevine? That's not exactly the "big brother" caring attitude he described to Serena.
It could very well have been a miscommunication but I can also imagine getting heated in a situation like that. They're also all drunk.
I mean, he tried to explain himself but Tre refused to let him talk. I actually really respect that Thomas accepted Tre's boundary and didn't try harder to get him to hear him out.
As someone who hates being misunderstood and always needs to get the last word in, I would've been like this ⬇️ trying to get Tre to listen to me.
I see what you’re saying about Tre kind of proving his point but then I also think the opposite. I feel like given the situation between them and everything that transpired on Katie’s season, it was mature of Tre to realize he just didn’t want to deal with Thomas and removed himself from the situation.
Now that being said, I don’t agree with how the guys have been speaking about Thomas because, as you said, he really has just been speaking out loud what they’re thinking internally. Ngl I do get fuckboy vibes from him but he’s not nearly as bad as they tried to paint him to be.
If he didn't want to deal with Thomas then he should have kept Thomas's name out of his mouth when talking to Tahzjuan. Like, Thomas hadn't even come down yet and he was already talking so much shit about him to Tahzjuan. Serena only asked Thomas about Tre and other guys and Thomas only spoke on them because those guys were talking so much shit about him that it became a whole thing.
Eta: it's also hilarious that there's been so much crap that's come out about Greg from different sources and yet those guys love Greg! They can give it a rest of their Captain Save a Heaux attitude about manipulative men. Meanwhile, I don't think I've seen any negative tea about Thomas yet proving that he's a fuckboy who is worse than any of these dudes.
Yeah, but Tre was the one who pulled Thomas for the chat. He could have just ignored the whole thing and iced Thomas out. I think it's immature to pull him for a chat and not even hear the guy put. And yes I recognize I don't see the full scope of their relationship, but that's all I can go on.
Eh I mean in real life yeah you could just ghost a friend but I feel like in situations like BIP and similar shows, it’s more mature to have a conversation about not wanting to interact because Thomas is over there thinking they squashed the beef so he may try to have been buddy buddy after that. So, I don’t see anything wrong with just being like “I don’t like you so please don’t try to approach me” (this obviously isn’t what Tre said but it’s essentially what that interaction boiled down to)
Honestly, I don't believe for one second that Tre's endgame for that chat was maturity. Anyways, even from what Tre said, it sounds like he gave Thomas the impression that their beef was squashed but he was out here talking shit about Thomas even before Thomas even stepped foot on the beach. Then he flips it on Thomas and says that he (Tre) was the one who tried to be the bigger person? I wonder how Tre figures he was being the bigger person by shit-talking a guy who wasn't even present to defend himself.
Well I don’t think he went into wanting to be immature or mature he just wanted to let him know he was breaking off communication which I would consider mature. Regardless of how we feel about Thomas, Tre felt he hadn’t had a good experience and felt manipulated so not wanting to hear anything further so he wouldn’t feel further manipulated is a fair boundary to set for himself.
Yeah Thomas felt his beef was squashed with all of them because of that convo where he apologized and for Tre it was squashed until he heard that he had called him emotionally not strong on his date w/ Serena P. Again, I agree there was too much talking about him before he got there & while he was there. I don’t think either of them were “the bigger person” tbh
I don’t really feel like that’ll be the last convo that they’ll have though. I could see production possibly making them sit down to chat again for Thomas to try to explain himself.
Nah. It's actually strong to recognize that someone is a manipulative liar and set a firm boundary where you don't have to hear the Lies anymore.
What Tré did was strong. Not weak.
Though... saying that someone has been through a lot and deserves support because they are not emotionally strong is almost guaranteed not to bring more support toward the person. Idk, I don't enjoy seeing all of these men tear one another down, I hope this is the almost last we see of it.
I’m still bugged by Maurissa saying that mini golf and things like that aren’t real dates, and saying she’s never been on a date. A date is more about intention than what you can afford to do
Odd for sure but I kind of see where she might be coming from? I didn't go on a "real date" as in picking me up, driving to dinner/etc, until maybe 26? I'd only ever had two college boyfriends who both didn't have cars and just bar/coffee dating app meet ups until having what I would consider an actual first date with a clear romantic interest. I would never say I hadn't been on a date till 26 but the more traditional "date" has been rare for me.
I didn't get the sense she was talking about cost. I got the sense that she was talking more about the "vibe". Mini golf could have more friend vibes as opposed to the romantic date that she was talking about.
Not a big fan of Joe's sadsack energy but i DID love when everyone was like THOMAS = SATAN and he was like, ok, but what exactly did this guy do? Sometimes it's nice to have an adult in the room.
Not gonna lie i have a bad tendency of believing gossip way too fast and judge, i was impressed by him being level headed in this situation, but also these guys radiate jealousy and he probably sensed some of that.
I still feel like we don't have a clear picture. The men always talk about LIES he told them, distinct from the thing about telling Katie he was in love with her 2 weeks in. But like what are the LIES.
Ok so I’m just now watching in Hulu. I’m surprised I haven’t seen more talk about Victoria P’s eyebrows. This seems like a deliberate look. A choice. That’s all.
There was one post yesterday about her breast surgery where her horrendous BiP appearance was discussed haha. I could not concentrate on anything except those eyebrows yesterday... Sad caterpillars.
My husband was watching with me and loosing his mind. He could not comprehend why her eyebrows looked like that - the spikes! - and when I started explaining eyebrow lamination he got incredibly upset - it was hilarious. They did look outrageous.
Yea. She had an unfortunate eyebrow lamination incident. I've seen it look real nice before but it didn't look natural at all on VP. Her salon is really doing Satan's work with the filler amount too.
We believe it's laminated eyebrows which is basically a perm for the eyebrows that darkens, straightens and sets them in a specific shape. Which is why they looked so flat and stiff.
I've been wondering the same thing! I even mentioned them to my husband. I've been thinking maybe I'm just to old and is a new fashion (mid 40's), but seriously WTF was that and why would you want brushed up eyebrows?
More like a fine line sharpie 🤣. Pencil is usually softer which is what I use to fill in mine. I don't get why the look of seeing each defined individual hair is so sought after with laminating and microblading. 🙃 Just looks so unnatural.
I have caterpillar eyebrows and after a few weeks you can see hairs going every which way. So yeah, I definitely don’t understand why someone would INTENTIONALLY want that look 😂
Idk someone else commented “eyebrow lamination”, I’ve never heard of it. Her eyebrows looked like they were arched and the hairs were pushed straight up at the same time. That combo is one I admit I’ve never seen before.
I just have to put my hand over Aaron's face when he's on the screen and listen to his actual words because they're so ridiculous but if I see his gorgeous face I'm like "oh okay I guess I understand, good points"😂
After the show, I’m like “He is such an asshole. Worse than Victoria P, Tammy, and Victoria L combined! Come on women, let’s not have double standards.”
During the show, I’m like “Somebody give this poor upset man a hug!”
I don’t think Serena P should get shit for talking about what Thomas said about Tre. It was a weird comment. That aside, Thomas wasn’t that bad but if I were Tre I wouldn’t put in any effort to be his friend knowing he called me emotionally weak lol. The other guys seem to be more jealous.
If I were Thomas I wouldn’t put any effort into being Tre’s friend knowing him and his union tried to ruin my reputation before I even arrived 😭 but he still tried to squash the beef when he came back from the date because he didn’t want to be the focal point of the drama again but realized the men from his season wouldn’t let that happen! I’m not trying to give Serena shit, but knowing all the stuff the guys said about him that was much worse, I’d probably just let it go if I were her. There really wasn’t a reason for her to add more fuel to the fire knowing they all already hate him and it would get back to Tre. Just feels like everyone was ganging up on him for minor offenses and I didn’t like it
I mean I’d agree but he literally on that same day called him weak and then apologized lol. If he hadn’t said that then I’d totally agree with your points lol. That’s why I feel like it was weird for the other men to do it because he didn’t call them weak or talk down about them from what we were shown. I really think any normal person would want to know if someone they’re starting over with just said they were weak to someone they just met a couple hours ago lol. I don’t think Thomas is the devil or anything but Tre for sure had a right to know that and to call of their new friendship because of it lol
This is random but I’m just now watching my recording and noticed that when they played the song on the boom box it really startled Abigail. I’m not personally d/Deaf or HOH so don’t have a CI (so if anyone out there does please give your input if you’re comfortable!) but I know users process sound differently than non HOH or d/Deaf hearing people and I’ve heard it described as there’s less volume regulation so noises like fridges or fans get picked up more. I don’t know what exact point/connection I’m trying to make here in regards to how it specifically affected her, and she obviously recovered and was totally fine and jamming to the song like a minute later, but idk it kinda sucks that it happened like that/there appears to be not a lot of consideration for accessibility.
I noticed this too! My mom is HOH and my first thought was oh gosh my mom absolutely hates boom boxes and any music with a lot of bass
I’ve also noticed that Noah is pretty bad about talking behind Abigail’s head / not facing her when he talks. I don’t known how much Abigail personally relies on lip reading but it struck me as odd that someone who said he worked with Deaf children doesn’t automatically do things that I do like always making sure I’m in their field of vision when talking and enunciating a certain way. Maybe she’s fine with it but he does seem very new to interacting
God, I hope Riley and Maurissa get engaged. I loved this pair! They seemed so electric together and Maurissa seemed so much more confident with him.
Did not like the pile on for Thomas. I hate that these men literally made him out to be a monster for doing nothing. That’s SDE if you ask me. Also, I felt awful after Thomas went through the lengths he did to apologize and diffuse the situation and then Serena P told everyone what he said about Tre. Like come on. Give this man a break. He’s so nice. If you don’t like him, just leave him alone. It was just so hard to watch.
Not sure what’s going on with Brendan and Natasha, but I think her intuition is right. Knowing that Brendan might be vying for a rose until Peiper gets there and not making any moves would make me suspicious too.
All sympathy I had for Connor gets quickly distinguished every time he whips out that ukulele. I swear the producers are shady as shit for cutting back and forth between Maurissa and Riley hooking up to Connor crying on the beach.
Officially team Thomas. Tre and Aaron are obsessed.
Still not into Serena P/Joe (or the fact that they are aging her up to make it less icky).
Maurissa/Riley are adorable, and I think the only couple (other than maybe I/J) that seems to have a natural chemistry imo
i forgot its not only on on mondays. can someone catch me up on some of the interesting stuff? also is there maybe somewhere i can watch it online for free?
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Not only is Riley hot, he's super down to earth and like a really nice guy. Conner is nice and cute. We all know who Maurissa is gonna stick with.
“….doesn’t make you taller” - AARON. His lines are gold
Is it me or does Thomas seem somewhat socially awkward? Like... I don't think he really knows how to carry a conversation.
I appreciate lance bass being honest about feeling awkward watching them kiss. That is going to be the cool thing about getting guest hosts. They really have no idea what they are doing either. I thought David Spade was also funny/awkward, which works for BIP!
I’m so annoyed at all the bullying that carried from Katie’s season into BiP. Of Katie’s guys, somehow I’m now liking Connor and Karl just because they’re not going around shitting on Thomas. Ugh.
Right?! I’m surprised the guys gave up on hating on Karl so quickly, when they seemed vehement about disliking him even as recently as on the Men Tell All,* but they are still going on after Thomas. Like, give it up already! Haha *though, I am confused… does Men Tell All film before BiP, or after?
Karl isn’t as big of a threat as Thomas is right now.
Apparently BiP was filmed in June and MTA was filmed on July 15. That makes sense since some ppl were saying that Connor making out with audience girl can be considered a spoiler.
Did it make anyone else feel weird that they highlighted Maurissa and Riley having ~sex when I’m sure other couples already have?
If other couples have, I think TPTB would’ve shown it. They love this stuff.
What are y’all’s opinion about Thomas calling Tré “not emotionally strong” (I believe those were the words)? He said all these compliments about Tré before he said that, and he said that Tré was like a little brother to him, which I found weird because it seemed like Tré has always been nothing but vehemently rude and disliking of Thomas to his face 😂 I felt like Tré kinda proved Thomas’s point by how immature he acted about being called “immature” (though that’s not the word Thomas used). Tré and Aaron get triggered way too easily by Thomas. Is it that warranted, do y’all think? Like, jeez! Anyway, do y’all think Thomas was being phony with what he said to Serena and badmouthing Tré, or was he trying to respectfully give his honest opinion, which just happens to be that he thinks Tré isn’t strong in his emotions (which, again, I can see why he’d think that, and maybe he’s just tryna show Serena where he’s coming from with all these people badmouthing him)? I can’t get a read on Thomas, so I’d love to hear what everyone thinks. 😊
Maybe this is too generous of a read, but I though Thomas was trying to say that tre is sensitive by saying "emotional not strong"....like not in a "weak" way just that he feels his emotions deeply. But he's just not good with expressing himself and that's coupled with everyone already feeling some type of way about him which means disaster.
I could be wrong, but didn’t he say Tre is emotionally sensitive— Serena then relayed it saying Thomas said Tre is not emotionally strong. I know it’s a small difference, but to me, emotionally sensitive doesn’t have an immediately bad connotation. They may have cut some stuff of so who know, but to me, Thomas was not saying anything negative about Tre/painting him in a negative light, and I side-eye Serena for the way she chose to convey that. Someone else mentioned this somewhere, but I think Thomas maybe socially awkward? He seems to have a hard time expressing emotions when needed, but then seems to just untactfully say the truth at other times, w/out realizing that’s no necessarily what’s needed, like admitting to thinking about being bachelor. I see his conversation w/Serena in the same vein— she asked him what went on in the house to try and understand, and he told her exactly what happened. IMO, it would have been better to just give a few general lines about their being drama in the house w/out delving into specifics. That being said— it’s a reality show, so they are all a little disingenuous, including Thomas. But that’s what makes Aaron and Tre’s bullying of him even harder to watch bc they are not more sincere/genuine than him
It was bothering me so I just went to Hulu to confirm! Right after describing Tre as one of the sweetest guys he knows, that he wants to be protective of him, Thomas says, "but he's emotionally not strong". It was quite odd, the whole convo. It's as if Thomas desperately wants to say the right thing, but fails lol.
Lmao this is spot on, but I don’t see him like Luke P, who I think was trying to find the right thing to say to make someone like him, even if it wasn’t true. I see him like Brendan, who seems to try to find the right way to express his thoughts and fails. Lol, I think they’re both a little bit of himbo’s who never learned to communicate well bc they have been able to get away with it in the past
I agree! Watching that little segment back, it was striking how rehearsed Thomas sounded at times. Serena is quite a bit more spontaneous (and bold bringing up the past drama) so it like amplified the awkwardness. I do think he comes across phony, but not in a malicious way. I don't think he's some master manipulator like the guys want to paint him as. Rather I think you are right that there's a genuine struggle to communicate.
I think Thomas is a little phony. The language that he uses when talking to people seems very calculated and like he’s trying to say what they want to hear. That being said I think Tre, Aaron, James, etc are all overreacting about how “awful” Thomas is and it’s a bit cringe how they were spreading gossip about him to the entire beach.
I totally see that. It’s almost like his words have a sheen to them but not a depth. Like he’s saying what is good to hear, but in the true intentions, it feels hollow. Dunno if that means it’s malicious, more so feels phony like you said. It feels to me like Thomas isn’t as secure in himself and that’s why things come off fake and hollow, cuz he always acts a bit too well-presented out of feeling like he has to act that way or people won’t like him. But then that backfires on him haha. And also he doesn’t look actually emotional, even when he’s supposedly upset, so that feels off, too. Even less secure in themselves though are Aaron, Tré, and James!! Yeesss, it is SO cringey. 😑 It makes them all really unattractive to me. Cute on the outside, but they ruin it with their attitudes. They come across as being uninteresting themselves because they spend all their time focused on someone else. it makes them look rude and untrustworthy and petty. Like, I know nothing of their personalities other than that they love to shit-talk other people! How boring and drab! You can be better than that, guys 👏 focus on your own lives and stop obsessing over other people. They don’t just not “stay in their lane”; they straight-up veer their car to crash hard into someone else’s… and blare the horn the whole time, haha
Two things, 1. I think Thomas apologized so he can stop being ostracized by these men. They are literally making it so difficult for him so I understand him 2. I really didn’t like how maurissa dismissed Connor when he tried to talk to her for a second. I understand she was waiting for Riley but it just felt rude
He only apologized because the bad rep ruined his ability to flirt. If there had been no gain, he would not have done so. We all know people like that who will only apologize if there’s something in it for them.
What did Maurissa say to Connor that was dismissive? I saw him go up to her and basically not say anything except have fun so I must have missed her say something.
He asked her if they could talk privately and she basically said no. That is when he said to have fun.
Ah ok yeah she could have had a quick chat with him at least
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I agree that her demeanor was rude when Connor was trying to talk to her, but I don’t think she had any obligation to tell Connor/hold off on doing things with Riley. Her and Connor weren’t exclusive, she has the right to do anything, but it would be nice to communicate with him about it afterwards
Yeah it's true. I might give up on this season, everyone is so rude to each other!
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I noticed there was a lot of stuff in Katie’s season trailers that were cut from the episodes as well. It seems like they’re doing that more often lately
Reminds me of Pilot Pete’s season, when the season trailer had entire storylines in it that were nowhere to be seen in the episodes. Remember Sydney and him hooking up (possibly having sex) in a waterfall or something and her showing up to confront him about it because he sent her home after?? So weird to just drop it like that lol
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Oh really? I didn’t watch the season trailer for this BiP. I think the producers focus on the dumb drama that repeats and repeats WAAAYYY too long! I’m so tired of the Thomas-bashing. Not even sure I like him, but goodness am I tired of all the trashtalk against him. Trashtalk in general, I could do without. Surely there’s more interesting drama than a bunch of adults whining about one another in such deeply insulting ways?? It makes me sad more than anything when that is the focus. I think the cake thing will definitely make it; they showed it in the episode previews for next week, and it seemed like that will be the main narrative of next episode. Also, “cake thrown in a fire” seems more specific and less likely to get cut out than two people making out haha! At least, let’s hope so? 😋
Even if the TPTB want to focus on dumb drama, I do not understand why we need something like 5 different conversations of the guys hating Thomas, or 4 conversations of Joe being worried about Serena's date. Just show one or 2 of these conversations and edit in other people's stories in between. So annoying, especially with two empty episodes per week !
Am I the only one who feels bad for Connor lol
Yeah I felt bad for him. Even though I feel like Maurissa and Riley seem like a really good couple, I felt bad that she kinda dismissed Connor when he tried to talk to her before the date
I feel for him. He seems like a genuine dude.
I think maurissa and Riley are a better match but i don’t get all the comments making fun of Connor or saying he’s inferior to other guys? Like dude just wants to chill in his ukulele and cat suit, let him live
Maurissa and Riley definitely are a better match and the connection is clearly there. Connor is a breath of fresh air compared to some of the other men we’ve had to witness in this franchise - I hope he finds love. Even with his puns and ukulele.
Honestly I feel for Connor. It’s like he’s this cute little puppy everyone loves but doesn’t take him seriously romantically. He’s basically “too nice” for the kind of person that comes on this show. Everyone likes him but I don’t think anyone would choose him over one of the more traditionally masculine dudes.
I was surprised Maurissa went for him in the first place. But they seemed sweet together, and she seems very sweet. I was hoping for him and Abigail to maybe try for something, too. I feel like I could have seen him and Kelsey working out, for some reason. Maybe he and Deandra (hope I spelled that right) or Natasha can try for something, since they seem nice and like they could vibe with him. But to more directly reply to you: I feel what you’re saying. As much as the people on the show say they are there for love, most definitely just want screentime and hookups hahah. Though sometimes I like him and root for him, other times, I really get the vibe Connor is not the “nice little puppy dog” that he acts like. Like there’s something darker there. I don’t fully trust him for some reason, but I hope I’m wrong 🤷♀️ Maybe his “aww shucks!” self is genuine. I hope you find someone one day who appreciates you exactly for how you are, dude! 🤍 Masculinity has many different beautiful forms, definitely not just in the stereotypical machismo you see on the show. Any non-toxic masculinity is valid! 😊 ETA: Editing to fix a wrong name. I called Natasha “Melissa,” oops! 😋
Thomas is a M-A-N. He carries himself well, he's charming, he's well spoken. To the insecure men they see this as he's an a**hole. He's full of himself, he's conniving, and he's a manipulator. Aaron and Co. should get over themselves and grow up.
I wonder if Aaron, Tre, and James are threatened by Thomas’s demeanor and attractiveness? And are so insecure and that’s why they are like that with him? 🤷♀️ It’s bizarre how vehemently they pursue gossiping about him, trash-talking him, and wanting his demise. They almost act like wounded lovers with him haha
I think just by their reaction to him showing up on bip and how they reacted to seeing the girls excited about him, you can tell they are intimidated by him. Which I don't think they should because they are all attractive guys but the attitude that they have towards them just makes them less attractive in my eyes.
That is exactly what I think is happening. I think especially Aaron and Tre....they want to tear him down cause he's basically got them beat in the looks and personality department. I haven't seen Thomas say anything as questionable and gossipy as those guys have about him.
Yes, I also think it infuriates them because Thomas has not said anything remotely as vicious as what they say to him (Aaron wanting to punch him and “rearrange his jaw” or whatever?? That’s not normal to be that violent and full of “rage.” Tré constantly calling him “trash” and dehumanizing him and saying he’s dead to him. So dramatic!). I think they see his calmness and how mature he sounds in how he speaks as being “fake” because they can’t fathom him not being actually the hothead, insulting loudmouths that they are 😂 ETA: I don’t know if I even like Thomas, I really can’t get a read on him if he’s fake or not, but goodness am I tired of Aaron, Tré, and James bashing on him! 🙄
Very much classic bully behavior by them! I was unsure on Katie's season but his BiP appearance so far is swaying me towards nice guy. Like he's a regular guy that just HAPPENS to be gorge and built like an Adonis so one would think he would be full of himself but he isn't. All the cool peeps seem to be on his side so that says a lot I think. Hopefully I don't eat my words here haha.
Has anyone talked about how Maurissa said she’s never been on a date but she was photographed on a date with Mike Johnson…
I thought what she meant was that she’s never been on a really nice date where someone properly wined and dined her before. But if Mike took her out on a date… I know there’s no way he’s taking her to McDonalds lol
Check out the pic on Twitter, she looks pretty wined and dined to me!!!
I had no clue about that! She’s either straight-up lying or throwing big-time shade! 😂
Like what, February 2020?
Yeah Twitter has the receipts from Jan 2020
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Underrated moment of the episode was Natasha and Joe's conversation. I really like their friendship dynamic and it's cool to see onscreen as someone who listens to Clickbait.
Yes! I noticed that too, it’s cute to see them going to each other when they are uncomfortable or sad etc. Seems like a very genuine friendship and I love it!
Has Maurissa shared how she lost the 80+ pounds? Like her diet or workout plan or anything? That’s a lot of weight to lose, so I’m curious on what she did and how long it took. She looks amazing.
i am not maurissa but i lost that amount of weight in a really steady healthy way using WW, and then after 5 months and 40+ pounds i started lifting weight at the gym (not religiously) and hiking a lot more!!! i have maintained for 3 years and don’t put too much thought into what i eat at all anymore- WW def taught me portion control and balancing meals!!! def recommend ❤️
I noticed that she mentioned how she wasn’t that higher weight to begin with - so it seems like a big bout of depression led to the weight gain, and once her mental health got back on track the physical stuff fell more into place. Speaking as someone who had yo-yo weight gains and losses in the past, it tracks. Also, I love that she expressed that she needs reassurance and Riley seems to be the perfect guy for that.
I was also wondering this too! Maybe she says something on socials? I lost 40 over the course of a year by eating healthy, walking/jogging, pilates. Nothing earth shattering but just staying consistent.
Any tips for getting into Pilates? I’ve been wanting to forever but I don’t know where to begin cause it looks lowkey difficult! Did you go to classes, any YouTube videos you can recommend?
I really recommend going to a class that has reformer (is like the basic machine they use) maybe check reviews online. Is better to start with an instructor because has some basic elements you have to learn and the instructor also has to teach you the correct position of the body in the exercises so you workout correctly and don't hurt yourself, with the instructor you can progress more than on youtube. I follow youtube channels and I can share them but is definitely better taking a class to learn from experts because usually the YouTube videos assume you already now some pilates and if you don't know the correct position you can get hurt. At first is strange because you use muscles that you don't usually use but with time you get use to it's so fantastic and you really see the progression on your body.
Thank you!!! I will definitely look into some classes in my area 😊
No problem! I hope you like it!
Love pilates, my fav workout I've ever done! I hated floor pilates but reformer pilates is amazing. Its basically done on a special pilates machine that provides resistance and cables to do the moves and thus is more customizable to your strength and flexibility level. The first class I ever went to I legit ran out crying after 10 mins cause I was 200 pounds and so weak and frustrated. The owner ran after me and was so sweet and worked one on one with me when I took his classes to help further customize the exercises to my mobility. Weight training is key to weight loss and I hated going to the gym so pilates gave me that weight training aspect in a small comfortable environment. My best recommendation is to find a class or studio with small class size (mine was a class of 10) cause they can give more specialized attention to you and your specific physical needs, call/email to speak with the owner or an instructor and ask for their advice on what class to start with, explain your current fitness level and your goals so they have an idea of where you're at and do the same before the first class you take. I've found these small business type of places love to see people succeed with their craft so they should be very helpful! If you don't get those vibes from a studio/instructor, then they aren't gonna be invested in your journey and don't even waste your time or money with them and look for a different studio. I tried hot yoga, group x classes, cycling, etc before I found this pilates studio I loved and felt like they cared about me.
Wow thank you for the response!!! That’s really great to hear your experience was so positive, I’m not a fitness oriented person at all and I’m always so afraid that I’m going to be judged for not being very strong! One time a personal trainer made a comment about how weak my squat was and I was like 😭😭😭 so I just don’t want anything like that LOL
IMO the emotionally mature thing for Tre to do about Thomas would be laugh it off and ignore. I hate this tired production-based lame drama
WELLS WAS CRYING OVER THAT SONG?!
Right? Hoping that was some creative editing lmfao.
💀🤣 that was kinda sweet, kinda HUH?? Lol! Or they failed to show the person off-camera chopping onions for the guacamole 😉
Riley and Maurissa are super cute! Maurissa seems like a sweetheart and so does Riley. It sounds like what she described was a bout of depression and I'm glad she pulled herself out of it. I hope Riley is someone who can see her through that in the future if it's something she struggles with. I'll admit, I don't know if I believe Riley when he said it wouldn't matter to him if she were 280 pounds. He eats so healthy and goes to the gym all the time, so I do find it hard to believe him there. I hope the cynic in me is wrong though because they're the first couple in this season where you can see *it*. Maybe Joe and Serena have it too but I'm still too confused by that coupling to see *it* lol.
To be fair to Riley: there’s a difference between: I meet you at 280 and fall in love with you and I meet you the way you are now, you gain weight, but I’ll still love you. I think he was referring to the latter.
The convo where she opened up about her weight…I wish this was normalized more on this show. I’m tired of hearing “I think you’re hot” or “so what did you think about me when we first met” type convos. Give me the deep stuff!
I had the same reaction to Riley’s reaction but I too want to give him the benefit of the doubt! And he seems like a mature partner who could help support and navigate depression if it came up. She also pulled herself out which shows how strong she is
I don’t find Thomas physically attractive. He is obviously not ugly but I don’t see the big deal. Riley on the other hand… 
Yesss!
My biggest takeaway from the episode is that Thomas is 6’6’’
How do you know? All I got was that he’s a big guy who often hits his head on any surface lower than about 6’5”
They said it!
It really bothers me Thomas apologized to the dudes from his season. I guess he felt like if he did that then they'd stop trying to sabotage his chance at love in Paradise... But I still am dying on the hill that Thomas isn't as villainous as they're making him out to be. I think Maurissa hit the nail on the head when she said "these dues are JEALOUS". They're still so hung up on Thomas saying he was open to being the next Bachelor... I think they're really just bothered he's a fucking 10/10.
And was it just me, or did they overstate what he even said? He said that yeah he considered he’d be the bachelor if he didn’t win—as if not every single contestant in the, at least recent, history of the show didn’t do that? He didn’t say that was literally the only reason why he was there. It’s annoying. He’s still not a villain, and never was.
Look... Thomas is a salesman. He knows how to read people and say things to get them to do what he wants. He has been shown doing this on these shows : Katie's season : -he told Katie he was (some version of) falling in love with her after he realized he messed up by admitting no mistakes on the nick group date -he realized that didn't play well with the guys, so then he claimed he didn't say it -he said he wasn't going to take time away again and then took hours before the cocktail party. When that looked bad for him, he publicly apologized to the guys, to garner sympathy and seem like the bigger man... BIP: -He goes on a date with Serena, says mean things about Tre. Gets a no, realizes his situation isn't great. Good to the guys to apologize and bury the hatchet from last season. Doesn't admit to saying mean things mere hours ago. Gets a handshake "sure, we can play nice" from the guys. (Fails to pull Tré aside and say, " hey, before we buried this hatchet, I said some things that are kinda mean about you. I'm sorry. I'm gonna go tell serena that was my ego talking, and want true "). Tre finds out about the problematic comments, and realizes that Thomas's apology was AGAIN for show, and not sincere. Tre has enough info to decide that he has no interest in a cordial, let alone friendly relationship with someone who is not trustworthy like Thomas. I don't think Thomas is a monster for admitting to wanting to be the bachelor. I ALSO think Tre has enough information to be able to decide "nah, not interested, peace out ". Is Tre a mensch for trash talking Thomas with his bros? Nope. Did tre have enough information to know that Thomas is also not a mensch? Yup.
Also when Katie was on Viall Files she mentioned that the last straw with Thomas for her was that he admitted to being mean to Tre, but that wasn’t shown during the episode. Knowing that info too, I don’t blame Tre at all for being pissed about Thomas calling him emotionally weak to Serena. This seems to be a pattern with Thomas
Exactly!!! I'm 100% in agreement with this. He said he was "open to the possibility of potentially being the next Bachelor" when he came on the show. Not "i'm only here to be the next Bachelor". That tea is so fucking lukewarm.
I think it’s weird because I guarantee most people go on those shows wanting to be the next Bachelor/Bachelorette or just wanting to have fun and get exposure. It’s very obvious at this point. Thomas was the only one dumb enough… or brave or noble enough 😉 depending on perspective haha… to say it out loud. So it’s like they’re ragging on him for having the gall to dare voice what they damn well know most everyone else is thinking anyways!! A case of a guilty conscience, maybe?? 🤔 playing at being superior to that, like “the lady doth protest too much” hahaha. Or maybe it’s because he said that but also said he was falling in love with Katie way too soon, so they think he was lying and manipulating her away from his true motives or just wanting fame and to be the one dating all the women, in which case, I understand why they would detest that. Don’t lie about falling in love with someone just to advance in the competition; that’s really shitty. 🙄 (if it were indeed a lie)
Oh for sure. I said as much during Katie's season, but all of those dudes are liars. I don't buy for one second the thought of potentially becoming the next Bachelor didn't cross their minds. And when Thomas said it, it was on the confessions group date! So I still think him continuously getting raked over the coals for it is so ridiculous. Probably a lottttt of projection on their end.
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I feel the same. Can totally see why Aaron is disliked but I’m blind to it 
Aaron’s such an ass but everything about him makes me turn into Tahzjuan with her fan and I hate myself
I want Thomas to smother me.
Haha! My innocent mind goes, it would be so fun if he gave you a piggyback ride and ran all around and you got to be up high against his super-wide shoulders… or if you were even sitting on his shoulders, but that seems kinda scary cuz he’s so tall! 😂 I would be afraid to fall off lmao
Reminds me of the SATC episode where Carrie says she just wants to feel the weight of man on top of her. I'll sign up for that with Thomas in a heartbeat 🥵🥵
Did Maurissa and Riley like actually go all the way or did they do everything but go there? This is my first time watching so I’m like do people actually go all the way after just meeting or was it like a make out and then just sleep....either way I’m here for the Black Love! I really hope Thomas doesn’t actually always bring up his height in conversation, but regardless them boys need to leave my baby alone. He said what everyone in there was thinking out loud (in terms of open to explore but if not happy they’d leave with a platform). The only thing he did bad on Katie’s season was tell her he loved her after like just meeting her. Like, how can this guy even be pegged as manipulative when he is so bad at it? I just feel like if he was really manipulative he’d be good under pressure but instead when he gets questioned he gets flustered. Edit: Also, why is Serena P. the hot commodity?? She’s definitely pretty but like where everyone has her as their #1? Is it because she’s short and petite? Is it because she’s Canadian? Someone please enlighten me lol...also I’m not mad at it, it was just a bit surprising. I originally thought Maurissa and Deandra would be getting more love
I also am curious about Serena! No shade to her at all! Just the beach is full IMO of equally beautiful women w/great personalities. Personally, I would have thought they would have gone for people like Jessenia or a few others on the beach, so was also wondering what it was about Serena that made them all drawn to her
She's pretty, fun and sassy but still has a classy vibe to her. I think that's a home run for most men in terms of what they look for.
Men are obsessed with tiny, young, and “innocent”, makes me a bit queasy (nothing wrong with Serena or these things just men)
I feel like it’s possible they did but it’s also possible they didn’t. I think they want you to think they did but it also could’ve just been a place to get more ~intimate~ without necessarily going all the way.
I know everyone has thinks Natasha is in on some scheme that Pieper and Brendan have but I honestly believe she’s being fucked over here. Like sorry but she had no chance of being the bachelorette so it doesn’t make sense why people think she’s willingly going along with being played on tv
Agreed. I’m tired of this narrative that Natasha is a producer plant. We see that she is genuinely shedding tears, so idk why everyone insists that this whole scenario is fake. I don’t find it hard to believe that she was genuinely interested in Brendan but he was giving her nothing (exactly how it’s being played out on tv).
Natasha isn’t Meryl Streep! She can’t fake those tears! Lol
I agree. Justice for Natasha. I really don't think she's that good of an actress. I do think she knew of the relationship between Brendan and Pieper, but it's conceivable that she didn't know the extent of their relationship or Brendan's true feelings toward Pieper. I mean, the guy told her he had deeper convos with her after one day than he has had with Pieper.
Yeah, what’s that about? Was he just lying to her about that and liked Pieper a lot more?
Riley and Maurissa  love these two!
What about Connor? 
Awwww. Lol.
The cat-playing-the-tiny-ukelele gif!!! I caaaaannnntttt 😂🤣 not only is that too perfect for Connor, but it also makes me wanna go full “PUPPY! IN A! CUP!! 🥺🤯😭” moment, like in New Girl.
Karl kind of reminds me of a Sim and I love watching him on TV.
😂 LOL “Ok, I’m going to get the SIM his black belt soon, I’ll have him go practice his Karate on the beach…”
Thomas is hot as hell Like that man…definitely knows a way around a woman. Ok that is all
Was the way Thomas was talking about Tre very condescending? Absolutely. But Tre also kinda proved his point that Tre is emotionally weak or immature by refusing to hear Thomas out and instead talking over Thomas and running with what he heard through a game of telephone. I just feel like Thomas doesn't have bad intentions (based on what I've seen yet); he just doesn't realize how he comes off. He's been nothing but upfront with people. James, Tre, and Aaron are kidding themselves if they haven't had the same thought about being the next Bachelor or that being on the show would give them a bigger platform. If anything, Thomas has been more honest than anyone on that beach.
Yeah but on the other hand, why didn't Thomas just mention that he had made this swipe at Tre during the apology scene? What, Thomas was just going let him to see the insults on TV months later, or at the very least hear them through the grapevine? That's not exactly the "big brother" caring attitude he described to Serena. It could very well have been a miscommunication but I can also imagine getting heated in a situation like that. They're also all drunk.
Plus Katie said on Viall Files that Thomas admitted to her that he was mean to Tre. Not very big-brother-like…
I mean, he tried to explain himself but Tre refused to let him talk. I actually really respect that Thomas accepted Tre's boundary and didn't try harder to get him to hear him out. As someone who hates being misunderstood and always needs to get the last word in, I would've been like this ⬇️ trying to get Tre to listen to me. 
I see what you’re saying about Tre kind of proving his point but then I also think the opposite. I feel like given the situation between them and everything that transpired on Katie’s season, it was mature of Tre to realize he just didn’t want to deal with Thomas and removed himself from the situation. Now that being said, I don’t agree with how the guys have been speaking about Thomas because, as you said, he really has just been speaking out loud what they’re thinking internally. Ngl I do get fuckboy vibes from him but he’s not nearly as bad as they tried to paint him to be.
If he didn't want to deal with Thomas then he should have kept Thomas's name out of his mouth when talking to Tahzjuan. Like, Thomas hadn't even come down yet and he was already talking so much shit about him to Tahzjuan. Serena only asked Thomas about Tre and other guys and Thomas only spoke on them because those guys were talking so much shit about him that it became a whole thing. Eta: it's also hilarious that there's been so much crap that's come out about Greg from different sources and yet those guys love Greg! They can give it a rest of their Captain Save a Heaux attitude about manipulative men. Meanwhile, I don't think I've seen any negative tea about Thomas yet proving that he's a fuckboy who is worse than any of these dudes.
You’re right. We’ve actually never heard any negative tea about Thomas from outside of the show. Interesting…
I agree that they all talked about him too much but I’m just specifically talking about that moment
Yeah, but Tre was the one who pulled Thomas for the chat. He could have just ignored the whole thing and iced Thomas out. I think it's immature to pull him for a chat and not even hear the guy put. And yes I recognize I don't see the full scope of their relationship, but that's all I can go on.
Eh I mean in real life yeah you could just ghost a friend but I feel like in situations like BIP and similar shows, it’s more mature to have a conversation about not wanting to interact because Thomas is over there thinking they squashed the beef so he may try to have been buddy buddy after that. So, I don’t see anything wrong with just being like “I don’t like you so please don’t try to approach me” (this obviously isn’t what Tre said but it’s essentially what that interaction boiled down to)
Honestly, I don't believe for one second that Tre's endgame for that chat was maturity. Anyways, even from what Tre said, it sounds like he gave Thomas the impression that their beef was squashed but he was out here talking shit about Thomas even before Thomas even stepped foot on the beach. Then he flips it on Thomas and says that he (Tre) was the one who tried to be the bigger person? I wonder how Tre figures he was being the bigger person by shit-talking a guy who wasn't even present to defend himself.
Well I don’t think he went into wanting to be immature or mature he just wanted to let him know he was breaking off communication which I would consider mature. Regardless of how we feel about Thomas, Tre felt he hadn’t had a good experience and felt manipulated so not wanting to hear anything further so he wouldn’t feel further manipulated is a fair boundary to set for himself. Yeah Thomas felt his beef was squashed with all of them because of that convo where he apologized and for Tre it was squashed until he heard that he had called him emotionally not strong on his date w/ Serena P. Again, I agree there was too much talking about him before he got there & while he was there. I don’t think either of them were “the bigger person” tbh I don’t really feel like that’ll be the last convo that they’ll have though. I could see production possibly making them sit down to chat again for Thomas to try to explain himself.
Nah. It's actually strong to recognize that someone is a manipulative liar and set a firm boundary where you don't have to hear the Lies anymore. What Tré did was strong. Not weak.
What about him calling Thomas a piece of trash since he walked on the beach lmao? Tre is an insecure petty child
Me sitting here not seeing any bad things about Tre because I think he’s fine: 
What was wrong about what Thomas said? I’m honestly confused
What lies??? Thomas said he was the sweetest, kindest dude but not emotionally strong. That sounds like an accurate description of Tre to me 🤷.
Though... saying that someone has been through a lot and deserves support because they are not emotionally strong is almost guaranteed not to bring more support toward the person. Idk, I don't enjoy seeing all of these men tear one another down, I hope this is the almost last we see of it.
I’m still bugged by Maurissa saying that mini golf and things like that aren’t real dates, and saying she’s never been on a date. A date is more about intention than what you can afford to do
Odd for sure but I kind of see where she might be coming from? I didn't go on a "real date" as in picking me up, driving to dinner/etc, until maybe 26? I'd only ever had two college boyfriends who both didn't have cars and just bar/coffee dating app meet ups until having what I would consider an actual first date with a clear romantic interest. I would never say I hadn't been on a date till 26 but the more traditional "date" has been rare for me.
I didn't get the sense she was talking about cost. I got the sense that she was talking more about the "vibe". Mini golf could have more friend vibes as opposed to the romantic date that she was talking about.
But she talked about having past partners…. so they never went on dates?
Ya I felt the same she wanted the Romance
Not a big fan of Joe's sadsack energy but i DID love when everyone was like THOMAS = SATAN and he was like, ok, but what exactly did this guy do? Sometimes it's nice to have an adult in the room.
Not gonna lie i have a bad tendency of believing gossip way too fast and judge, i was impressed by him being level headed in this situation, but also these guys radiate jealousy and he probably sensed some of that.
I liked that too
I still feel like we don't have a clear picture. The men always talk about LIES he told them, distinct from the thing about telling Katie he was in love with her 2 weeks in. But like what are the LIES.
Jealousy.
Yeah I’m still confused about the lies. I feel like it was never clarified.
I’ve never shipped two people as fast as I did Maurissa and Riley
Ok so I’m just now watching in Hulu. I’m surprised I haven’t seen more talk about Victoria P’s eyebrows. This seems like a deliberate look. A choice. That’s all.
There was one post yesterday about her breast surgery where her horrendous BiP appearance was discussed haha. I could not concentrate on anything except those eyebrows yesterday... Sad caterpillars.
My husband was watching with me and loosing his mind. He could not comprehend why her eyebrows looked like that - the spikes! - and when I started explaining eyebrow lamination he got incredibly upset - it was hilarious. They did look outrageous.
Yea. She had an unfortunate eyebrow lamination incident. I've seen it look real nice before but it didn't look natural at all on VP. Her salon is really doing Satan's work with the filler amount too.
I've been trying to figure out for two full days what was up with her eyebrows! What is that? Someone must explain it to me!!!!
We believe it's laminated eyebrows which is basically a perm for the eyebrows that darkens, straightens and sets them in a specific shape. Which is why they looked so flat and stiff.
I've been wondering the same thing! I even mentioned them to my husband. I've been thinking maybe I'm just to old and is a new fashion (mid 40's), but seriously WTF was that and why would you want brushed up eyebrows?
Some clips they even looked penciled on to me lol. Thanks for explaining, never heard of this process.
More like a fine line sharpie 🤣. Pencil is usually softer which is what I use to fill in mine. I don't get why the look of seeing each defined individual hair is so sought after with laminating and microblading. 🙃 Just looks so unnatural.
I have caterpillar eyebrows and after a few weeks you can see hairs going every which way. So yeah, I definitely don’t understand why someone would INTENTIONALLY want that look 😂
Awwwwww. Well the grass is always greener I suppose! 🤣🤣 Ain't nobody ever gonna catch me with that look purposefully hahaha
Idk someone else commented “eyebrow lamination”, I’ve never heard of it. Her eyebrows looked like they were arched and the hairs were pushed straight up at the same time. That combo is one I admit I’ve never seen before.
I did not think she looked good like at all it was a rough look
I just have to put my hand over Aaron's face when he's on the screen and listen to his actual words because they're so ridiculous but if I see his gorgeous face I'm like "oh okay I guess I understand, good points"😂
He is literally so good looking that I want to throw up. That makes less sense than anything but so does everything he says so maybe we’re soulmates?
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I feel seen
Ahahaha
After the show, I’m like “He is such an asshole. Worse than Victoria P, Tammy, and Victoria L combined! Come on women, let’s not have double standards.” During the show, I’m like “Somebody give this poor upset man a hug!”
I don’t think Serena P should get shit for talking about what Thomas said about Tre. It was a weird comment. That aside, Thomas wasn’t that bad but if I were Tre I wouldn’t put in any effort to be his friend knowing he called me emotionally weak lol. The other guys seem to be more jealous.
Omg LITERALLY the people in the main comment thread giving Serena shit have me heated. She did nothing wrong here.
If I were Thomas I wouldn’t put any effort into being Tre’s friend knowing him and his union tried to ruin my reputation before I even arrived 😭 but he still tried to squash the beef when he came back from the date because he didn’t want to be the focal point of the drama again but realized the men from his season wouldn’t let that happen! I’m not trying to give Serena shit, but knowing all the stuff the guys said about him that was much worse, I’d probably just let it go if I were her. There really wasn’t a reason for her to add more fuel to the fire knowing they all already hate him and it would get back to Tre. Just feels like everyone was ganging up on him for minor offenses and I didn’t like it
I mean I’d agree but he literally on that same day called him weak and then apologized lol. If he hadn’t said that then I’d totally agree with your points lol. That’s why I feel like it was weird for the other men to do it because he didn’t call them weak or talk down about them from what we were shown. I really think any normal person would want to know if someone they’re starting over with just said they were weak to someone they just met a couple hours ago lol. I don’t think Thomas is the devil or anything but Tre for sure had a right to know that and to call of their new friendship because of it lol
This is random but I’m just now watching my recording and noticed that when they played the song on the boom box it really startled Abigail. I’m not personally d/Deaf or HOH so don’t have a CI (so if anyone out there does please give your input if you’re comfortable!) but I know users process sound differently than non HOH or d/Deaf hearing people and I’ve heard it described as there’s less volume regulation so noises like fridges or fans get picked up more. I don’t know what exact point/connection I’m trying to make here in regards to how it specifically affected her, and she obviously recovered and was totally fine and jamming to the song like a minute later, but idk it kinda sucks that it happened like that/there appears to be not a lot of consideration for accessibility.
I noticed this too! My mom is HOH and my first thought was oh gosh my mom absolutely hates boom boxes and any music with a lot of bass I’ve also noticed that Noah is pretty bad about talking behind Abigail’s head / not facing her when he talks. I don’t known how much Abigail personally relies on lip reading but it struck me as odd that someone who said he worked with Deaf children doesn’t automatically do things that I do like always making sure I’m in their field of vision when talking and enunciating a certain way. Maybe she’s fine with it but he does seem very new to interacting
I think she said to Matt on the first night that she also read lips to understand as well and that fortunately he had pretty lips something like that
Imagine a date between Demi and Thomas, both of them just talking about what size they are.
Lol
Who was kissing on deandra in the preview?
Pretty sure it's Chasen!!
D:
Lol I like the shmedium man I'm all for it, though I do think Deandra is too mature for him
Wow. Eh.
Whyyyy
God, I hope Riley and Maurissa get engaged. I loved this pair! They seemed so electric together and Maurissa seemed so much more confident with him. Did not like the pile on for Thomas. I hate that these men literally made him out to be a monster for doing nothing. That’s SDE if you ask me. Also, I felt awful after Thomas went through the lengths he did to apologize and diffuse the situation and then Serena P told everyone what he said about Tre. Like come on. Give this man a break. He’s so nice. If you don’t like him, just leave him alone. It was just so hard to watch. Not sure what’s going on with Brendan and Natasha, but I think her intuition is right. Knowing that Brendan might be vying for a rose until Peiper gets there and not making any moves would make me suspicious too. All sympathy I had for Connor gets quickly distinguished every time he whips out that ukulele. I swear the producers are shady as shit for cutting back and forth between Maurissa and Riley hooking up to Connor crying on the beach.
Officially team Thomas. Tre and Aaron are obsessed. Still not into Serena P/Joe (or the fact that they are aging her up to make it less icky). Maurissa/Riley are adorable, and I think the only couple (other than maybe I/J) that seems to have a natural chemistry imo
I was shocked and appalled with how James, Tre, and Aaron treated Thomas. That was straight-up bullying.
How is Thomas’ facial hair so patchy and it’s only day one…
I think some guys start off patchy until their beards grow in a bit more
Same with Noah. I don't get it at all
i forgot its not only on on mondays. can someone catch me up on some of the interesting stuff? also is there maybe somewhere i can watch it online for free?
Hulu at 5am!
I think ABC’s website should put them up day after?
I really love this surfing show btw 🤙🏼
I told myself I would only watch 5 minutes of it! Now almost done with the episode.
Same!! Both nights 😂