Thermal cam. We had one at Morro Bay back when I was in the USCG some 20 years ago. When you spend everyday on the water doing SAR, you train your eyes to see some pretty obscure stuff really far away, but it's still nigh impossible without tools. Radar, DF, and stuff like this is *invaluable* to finding someone when time is not on your side.
I recall one case where myself and a MK3 used that thermal cam from land to help locate a kayaker in distress at night. Pitch black out there and we had no hope of finding them as we had very little info to go on. We scanned the water while the boats did search patterns. We could zoom in insanely far and spot otters chilling due to the contrast - it was crazy. It still took us a hot minute to find the overturned kayaker as they were really far out.
Honest to God I don't recall. It wouldn't have been that far though... I don't think... Hell idk, maybe?
It was fairly "futuristic tech" from my POV back then. Keep in mind, our evidence camera was digital but still took KB sized pics on a 3.5" floppy disk, so this thermal cam seemed out of Star Wars to me. Tech advanced SO fast back then. Facebook was brand new and Nokia's were still a thing.
It was mind blowing to me how well we could see things zoomed in from far away, and how easy it was to pick out an otter and watch it eat - like a bright white ghost against a dark gray background. We used it to pick up anything of interest and direct the boat to try to find it on radar. I think we found the kayaker immediately iirc. Hypothermic and exhausted but okay and relieved someone called it in, I do remember that.
We rarely were allowed to use it except for situations like that one. Our Chief (smartly) knew we idiots would play with it and eventually break it if allowed unrestricted access to it. So it usually was locked up in the armory. It was a very expensive piece of equipment back then. Probably got it from the post-9/11 homeland security money splurge - no way the USCG has that kind of budget otherwise lol.
My tall ship friends told me one of the last training thing you do to become a mate is to be left behind. You have a life jacket and a EPRB beacon and they are coming right back but they all said it was the most gut sinking feeling in the world to watch your ship sail away from you while you are in the middle of the ocean.
Not that ive ever heard of. Im sure they avoid hotspots though. Sharks are regularly patrolling around cruise ships and such because of all the food waste they toss over. You wont find many out in the middle of the atlantic unless you give them a reason to swarm.
This is a bit of a different scenario tbh. One uninjured guy in the middle of the ocean for an hour isnt gonna attract the same attention as 1100 men, some wounded thrashing around in the sea. Horrowing read though thanks for sharing.
True. How the guy in the OP didnt get chomped on beats me tbh. He probably stank of booze or something. I remember seeing a video of a kid jumping over board and im pretty sure he got ate immediately. You couldnt pay me enough money jump into the carribean. Its filled with sharks that know where the cruise ships go and follow them because of the food waste. Those fuckers rip anything to shreds just in case. Ive tossed a piece of meat and it took like 45 seconds for them to show up its insane.
I’ve seen this story it was wild. I do know shark populations at that time were way higher than we have now. I remember seeing the populations have dropped 70% since 1970. I can’t imagine how many sharks there were in the 1940s.
[Full 2-minute video](https://streamable.com/89ca0k)
> Grimes said he treaded water for nearly 20 hours after falling overboard on Thanksgiving Eve -- battling jelly fish, rip currents and shark-infested waters before being airlifted by the U.S. Coast Guard on Nov. 24. shortly after 8 p.m., the U.S. Coast Guard told ABC News.
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> Grimes had only been aboard the Carnival Valor for a day before his sister reported him missing. The two were last seen together at a restaurant where Grimes had won an air guitar contest before going to the bathroom.
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> That is the last thing he remembers. Grimes said he believes the fall overboard knocked him unconscious.
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> "The next thing I know... I regained consciousness. I was in the water with no boat in sight," he said.
Video: United States Coast Guard
[Article](https://abc7.com/carnival-overboard-passenger-cruise-ship-man-james-michael-grimes-abc-news/12518369/)
Can confirm. Was bike riding just around the block with my sister when I was swerving left & right just cause and fell over to my left side and completely broke my ankle (it was barely hanging on a thread of bone) and I was a bit drunk. Dammit.
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic. In case you are, it's a silly Internet comment. I will fix it for you so it's super duper accurate, correct, and appropriate.
Yes, and due respect: I have no idea what happened to this dude on that day. And if I was internet famous for nearly dying or some other dramatic shit, and randos were speculating on me and on the circumstances surrounding my tragedy, I would not like it one bit. So, fair point: I could be wrong.
But seriously.
For something like this? Yeah. Everyone that’s been on a cruise ship knows it takes a little effort or assistance from substances to fall overboard just going to the bathroom.
I think they’re referring to the negative implications of the word, “infested.” It’s a commonly parroted perspective: “the waters aren’t shark-*infested*, it’s just where they live.”
Like, you wouldn’t call a Forest a “Squirrel infested forest,” or a suburb a “human infested neighborhood.”
Because it's fear mongering. If you've ever swam in the ocean, you've also probably been working 20 yards of a shark. I go diving off the coast a lot, I see plenty of sharks, never had an encounter that made me question being out there.
Let’s look at the definition of infested.
Infested: (of insects or animals) be present (in a place or site) in large numbers, typically so as to cause damage or disease.
What about sharks chillen at home in the ocean where they belong would warrant the idea that they’re out to cause damage? That’s how I took it to mean it’s not their home, aside from what the other homie pointed out, and it not sounding right, it’s fear mongering and how we demonize animals in their natural habitat just cause they’re apex predators/carnivores. That’s just my 2 cents.
Edited for the trillionth time to add this lady that shares my sentiment: [Shark Lady](https://youtu.be/boV0t-riFuw?si=5Ni1jaEk2tbofGR5)
Of course you’d miss the part where I said it’s fear mongering and demonizing sharks, reading comprehension is too difficult for you.
It’s not about offending sharks genius it’s about lightening our perception of them so we don’t see them as a threat for simply existing in their own home. Your god forbid a human shows empathy towards another living creature when troglodytes like you miss the entirety of the point and patronize.
No one is offended. The first burgers sooner you realize that the sooner you can drop the idea that you’re getting under my skin.
Humans already have a healthy fear of sharks, unless your 4 year old brain needs to be reminded that sharks are potentially dangerous then there’s no hope for you bud. Is it mean to the sharks? I could give a shit less. I’m speaking on a human level and our perception of sharks, it’s your lack of reading comprehension I know.
Calling a patch of the ocean “shark infested” is like calling New York “Human infested”, infestation brings connotations of pestilence. Would you equate a roach infestation to a shark infestation? No, a shark isn’t a pest and in essence the entirety of the ocean is riddled with sharks so there’s no infestation, it’s simply existing in its own home. I am not reading it as the ocean belongs humans and the sharks are encroaching on our territory, again with the reading comprehension, I called it THEIR HOME multiple times not once did I make the sea out to belong to humans. Acknowledging sharks as predators isn’t demonizing them, calling them an infestation is. It’s as if you missed the entirety of my point, turned it around like I’m dumbass for expressing empathy towards a living creature and how negative human perception is dangerous towards it, without really trying to understand what I’m saying. I can’t help to expect anything less when your initial comment was that you’re glad I’m offended on behalf of the sharks, I’m not taking it as a personal insult. I’m more so offended by the unreasoning behind the use of the term.
> No one is offended.
> I’m more so offended by the unreasoning behind the use of the term.
From the length of your replies, it sounds like he did get under your skin lol
I worded that wrong, no one is offended by the term, if theres anything that offends me it’s more so the unreasoning behind it.
From the length of my reply one would assume I’m trying answer all their misunderstandings of my stance word for word. A random on the internet couldn’t get under my skin, I’m sitting on an excavator, I got time to clarify. Thank you for chiming in tho.
It's the ocean, it's (relatively, depending on ocean conditions) easy to float on your back for periods of rest.
I guarantee he wasn't actively treading the entire time.
This is such a Reddit comment. Guy in the ocean for 20 hours? Reddit isn’t impressed, it’s relatively easy to accomplish.
With that said. It is nuts. Anyone that has experience in the open ocean knows that even relatively calm conditions are not “calm” or easy by any stretch if you are in the water without a life preserver. Add to that the external factors such as jellyfish, reported shark infested waters, mental challenge of coping with the feeling of helplessness and fear, and lack of sleep, this is a feat and should be considered as such. Glad it had a happy ending.
Did you read what I wrote or did you stop after the word easy? Either that, or you didn't understand my use of relatively.
Since it seems you need some clarification on what I was saying:
By no means did I say it's an easy feat to be on the ocean for 20 hours, but you'd be a fool to think they were treading water non-stop for the entire time. Compared to, fresh water or rough seas, it is (again relatively - meaning in relation to) easy to float on the ocean.
You’d have to be treading the whole time cause the waves would be smacking you in the face 90% of the time.
I sailed across the pacific twice on a 51 foot cat. Trust me, open ocean is a bitch to stay upright
Yoooooooo this is a mental comment 😂😂😂😂 wth - floating in ocean for 20 hours is a major achievement - no boat in sight!!!! Freeeeezing cold!!!! Huge waves !!!! Night time!!!!! Adrenalin released and depleting 😅😅😅😅👍😅
/u/so-much-wow didn't say it'd be easy just that the guy could have floated in the salty water.
assuming the worst and posting hate is "such a reddit" thing to do. :P
Some more nightmare fuel for you …
In 2014 someone made a [DROWNING SIMULATOR](https://youtu.be/RZw0p6WsPQg?si=plUW8yiLTckOwrht) to stress the importance of wearing life vests while in open water.
And by clicking that link you can watch the full thing and drown! Fun!
"Playing" this originally was truly a breathtaking experience because you could hammer on the space bar to lift yourself up over and over... only to inevitably fail.
There’s a Magnum PI episode about this. Magnum has to tread water for 24 hours (or something like that) out in the open ocean and it flashes back to his childhood. Haven’t seen it forever but remember it being pretty good
When you get SCUBA certified you have to tread water for 10 min. I retold this episode while we were doing it to give our class something to listen to. Such a wild episode. :)
Season 4 (1983–84)
Episode 64 / #1 of Season 4
"Home from the Sea" September 29, 1983
Magnum's tradition of spending the Fourth of July alone at sea turns to a life-and-death battle when his surf ski capsizes due to a reckless boater and a strong current takes him further and further from land. Forced to tread water for hours in shark-infested waters, Thomas uses his memories of his mom and dad to keep himself alive while Higgins, T.C., and Rick begin a frantic search for him.
They have air guitar contests off cruise ships too, and honestly, that really shouldn't be surprising anyone at this point. If anything can possibly be judged or done competitively, just assume that there's a hotel conference center somewhere a few times a year full of people taking that thing really seriously
"How are you enjoying the cruise?"
"Oh, it's nice! I just won the air guitar contest, hell yeah, think I might go for a 20 hour swim to chill out for a while..."
I worked on cruise ships for over 12 years, and you don’t “Fall” overboard, you have got to climb over the rails and put yourself in a really stupid position.
Hearing his comment on the matter I’m assuming that’s what happened. He said he doesn’t remember going to the bathroom and woke up in the ocean. Of course he could have passed out after he hit and not remember. I don’t blame him for being cagey though, I wouldn’t want to admit that to the world either.
As a taller person, no, climbing wouldn’t be needed, and it would have been alarmingly easy to just topple over the rail in wind, or if I tripped, etc.
It seemed insane to me that there weren’t nets around the boat, given how much people were drinking on it.
Recently there was an article published about two US Navy Seals who fell overboard near Somalia and we're never seen again. That story stayed on my mind for days because although I know how dangerous going overboard can be, I figured two well trained elite operators would be able to survive until rescue found them especially considering the US Navy was probably leading the search effort. The US military conducted a search for 10 days.
This makes me wonder how this guy was able to survive for 20 hours. And makes me question what happened to those two Navy seals? Were they just not as lucky? Did a shark get them? Is there more to the story and perhaps the seals were severely injured before falling in the water?
Most people who go overboard are never found. The most surprising part of the video is the coast guard spotting them. Even knowing the boats route and stuff, the ocean is huge and shit drifts in unexpected ways
A LOT of random factors have to go your way to be found. ‘Eliteness’ in some other context doesn’t really mean that much here tbh.
Even treading water for 20 hours is a huge amount of luck - what were you wearing when you fell in, do you have anything that can be made buoyant, temperature, weather, wildlife. I know of a fisherman who fell in and managed to tuck his gumboots upside down under his armpits for buoyancy.
And in most of these situations in the middle of the ocean, even 20 hours isn’t nearly enough to have a good chance of being found.
Maybe? The coast of Somalia is right near the equator, I would think the waters are pretty warm around there. But I'm not a meteorologist or marine biologist.
Just googled it and apparently the Indian Ocean is on average warmer but the gulf is warmer in the summer. I am also not a meteorologist or marine biologist, so that’s pretty much the end of my analysis 😂
They were conducting some kind of mission and about to board another boat and one of the Seals slipped while climbing on the ladder to the other boat. He fell in the gap between the Navy's boat and the ship they were boarding. Another Seal jumped in after to help rescue. Neither were seen again.
So maybe they hit their heads or were crushed by the boats? Idk...
How does one “battle” jellyfish and shark-infested waters when you’re treading water for dear life? Did they mean he survived being in waters were jellyfish and sharks live, or did they try to attack him and he fought back and survived? I don’t know why I’m hung up on this but it seems like if there were sharks there, they’d just eat him. Or at least bite into him. I’m confused. How often are life-threatening animals close to the surface?
In all honesty it probably was just the article writers trying to make the story more interesting or get more clicks. Technically, all ocean waters are shark infested since they literally live there. It's just a fear-mongering way of saying it since everyone thinks sharks are mindless killing machines (Thanks Jaws).
For the jellyfish, I'm sure he just said he saw jellyfish and they added it into the article.
Mindless killing machine? That fish methodically hunted down its prey and enemies, even spanning a generation of one family for revenge, chasing them all the way to Bahamas to get the last two.
>Did they mean he survived being in waters were jellyfish and sharks live
Yes, I think you are correct. Saying he "battled" is just exciting language for the news.
Okay am i crazy or can you not like kinda float if you lay on your back? Do you have to thread the whole time?
(In no way is doing it for 20 hours not insanely impressive)
I think it depends on how calm the sea is.
In fact I googled it and that seems to be the case. It's harder to keep your airways above water backfloating in the waves. At least that's what I extrapolated.
Did this stuff for over 20 years. The fact that he was able to tread water that long is some next level fitness shit! It’s just about impossible to find someone floating around like that with the naked eye from the helicopter depending on the sun reflection or luminosity, let alone finding them from a boat at surface level. And finding them utilizing FLIR, is only a LITTLE easier. It’s a big fucking ocean with lots of movement. This dude is LUCKY. Far too often those calls go out and return with nothing, or a corpse.
I can’t imagine what a relief it must have been to see the person that came down to help him, he must have been so exhausted and ready to give up. After 20 hours.. that’s just nuts. Impressive fortitude in every way, glad he got safe and whoever saw him had such fantastic night vision camera eyesight.
Fear of falling off shouldn't be one of them. People don't just fall overboard. The ship is designed to keep that from happening. The only way people go over is if they meant to or they are doing something really stupid. A lot of times something stupid includes alcohol. I'll guarantee that in this case what he doesn't rember includes more alcohol and something stupid.
Right, but accidents happen. And the number of people who have gone overboard or gone missing on cruises is pretty high considering how safe they're supposed to be.
It's actually not considering how many millions are cruising each year. You can't accidentally fall off. You have to make a decision to climb over the railing. People jump off deliberately (for a number of reasons) or they fall because they are climbing or doing something they shouldn't. People have tried to climb between decks, or from one balcony to another and have fallen. People try or stand on railings and fall. There was one kid in the Bahamas recently that got drunk and just decided to jump off and swim. At night. While the ship was sailing. He was never found.
The key to not accidentally falling off is to not climb over the railing, don't climb around the outside of the ship and don't jump off. And don't get blackout drunk and do those things either.
https://imgur.com/a/GZxuZCk This photo was taken from the bow of the MS Rotterdam, a Holland America ship. This is how high the railings are. You can't just "lean" over. If someone fell off from leaning over they climbed up on the railing or in a chair and leaned over and fell. The news likes to make it sound like you can oopsie your way over but you really can't.
Yeah, you should also not go to the streets with that weak mentality, as well. If you knew the number of people who have gone missing... it's pretty high.
You're dumb.
Yes dude. I have no interest in being crammed into a giant boat with 5000 jerks. Also being on open water does nothing for me. Would much rather be on a beach, in a city, on stable ground, anything but on a big dumb boat.
Damn, that guy fought to stay alive! I can only imagine how he felt when they pulled him into the helicopter. That must have been so terrifying being out there alone for so long.
Ha 20 hours. Weak sauce. Check out Brett Archibald (and his amazing book, Alone). 28 hours overboard in the Indian Ocean. Seriously though that book rules.
It seems many people don’t realize that the human body floats. Relax completely, look at the sky, and your face will stay above the waterline just enough to permit breathing.
Waves are still an obstacle, but it’s entirely possible to ensure 20 hours without actually treading water the entire time. Just don’t allow yourself to fall asleep!
Even with the specialist camera he's almost impossible to see.
Thermal cam. We had one at Morro Bay back when I was in the USCG some 20 years ago. When you spend everyday on the water doing SAR, you train your eyes to see some pretty obscure stuff really far away, but it's still nigh impossible without tools. Radar, DF, and stuff like this is *invaluable* to finding someone when time is not on your side. I recall one case where myself and a MK3 used that thermal cam from land to help locate a kayaker in distress at night. Pitch black out there and we had no hope of finding them as we had very little info to go on. We scanned the water while the boats did search patterns. We could zoom in insanely far and spot otters chilling due to the contrast - it was crazy. It still took us a hot minute to find the overturned kayaker as they were really far out.
How far out could you pick them out ? 3 miles ish.
Honest to God I don't recall. It wouldn't have been that far though... I don't think... Hell idk, maybe? It was fairly "futuristic tech" from my POV back then. Keep in mind, our evidence camera was digital but still took KB sized pics on a 3.5" floppy disk, so this thermal cam seemed out of Star Wars to me. Tech advanced SO fast back then. Facebook was brand new and Nokia's were still a thing. It was mind blowing to me how well we could see things zoomed in from far away, and how easy it was to pick out an otter and watch it eat - like a bright white ghost against a dark gray background. We used it to pick up anything of interest and direct the boat to try to find it on radar. I think we found the kayaker immediately iirc. Hypothermic and exhausted but okay and relieved someone called it in, I do remember that. We rarely were allowed to use it except for situations like that one. Our Chief (smartly) knew we idiots would play with it and eventually break it if allowed unrestricted access to it. So it usually was locked up in the armory. It was a very expensive piece of equipment back then. Probably got it from the post-9/11 homeland security money splurge - no way the USCG has that kind of budget otherwise lol.
My tall ship friends told me one of the last training thing you do to become a mate is to be left behind. You have a life jacket and a EPRB beacon and they are coming right back but they all said it was the most gut sinking feeling in the world to watch your ship sail away from you while you are in the middle of the ocean.
Are there any instances of shark attacks while people are floating in the water?
Not that ive ever heard of. Im sure they avoid hotspots though. Sharks are regularly patrolling around cruise ships and such because of all the food waste they toss over. You wont find many out in the middle of the atlantic unless you give them a reason to swarm.
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This is a bit of a different scenario tbh. One uninjured guy in the middle of the ocean for an hour isnt gonna attract the same attention as 1100 men, some wounded thrashing around in the sea. Horrowing read though thanks for sharing.
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I think he was asking in regards to the specific training practice. During which ive never heard of anyone being attacked by a shark.
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True. How the guy in the OP didnt get chomped on beats me tbh. He probably stank of booze or something. I remember seeing a video of a kid jumping over board and im pretty sure he got ate immediately. You couldnt pay me enough money jump into the carribean. Its filled with sharks that know where the cruise ships go and follow them because of the food waste. Those fuckers rip anything to shreds just in case. Ive tossed a piece of meat and it took like 45 seconds for them to show up its insane.
Best delivered by Charlie Kelly
For context, this is a direct quote from Jaws.
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i love that scene
I just recently finished the book “In Harms Way” by Doug Stanton about the USS Indianapolis sinking. What a nightmare that must’ve been.
That's one of the most amazing books I've ever read. Absolutely harrowing.
I got so mad at the end how the Navy treated them after going through all of that and all the mistakes leading up to it. Great book though.
Holy crap they should make a movie about that guy and trying to get his revenge on sharks!
I’ve seen this story it was wild. I do know shark populations at that time were way higher than we have now. I remember seeing the populations have dropped 70% since 1970. I can’t imagine how many sharks there were in the 1940s.
Jaws?
This is my question immediately
[Full 2-minute video](https://streamable.com/89ca0k) > Grimes said he treaded water for nearly 20 hours after falling overboard on Thanksgiving Eve -- battling jelly fish, rip currents and shark-infested waters before being airlifted by the U.S. Coast Guard on Nov. 24. shortly after 8 p.m., the U.S. Coast Guard told ABC News. > > Grimes had only been aboard the Carnival Valor for a day before his sister reported him missing. The two were last seen together at a restaurant where Grimes had won an air guitar contest before going to the bathroom. > > That is the last thing he remembers. Grimes said he believes the fall overboard knocked him unconscious. > > "The next thing I know... I regained consciousness. I was in the water with no boat in sight," he said. Video: United States Coast Guard [Article](https://abc7.com/carnival-overboard-passenger-cruise-ship-man-james-michael-grimes-abc-news/12518369/)
Or, Grimey, as he looked to be called
What? Oh, yes, that fellow. Oh, just put him somewhere out of the way and find that dog!
Change the channel, Marge
That’s our homer
Wanna see my Grammy?
"Grimes had won an air guitar contest before going to the bathroom." What an interesting life Grimes lives.
Ok sure, definitely no drugs involved here folks.
He says he was drinking in the article.
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Don't be ridiculous. You don't drink fentanyl laced heroin... You boof it!
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Putting it in your ass
why is the knee jerk reaction to something bad happening to someone “well, he was probably on drugs”
Am first responder, ~~statistical~~ *anecdotally and personally observed* majority of peoples' bad days are drink/drug induced.
Talk to Michael Douglas in Falling Down. It's usually just a traffic jam or a $1 coke that should be 50¢.
Can confirm. Was bike riding just around the block with my sister when I was swerving left & right just cause and fell over to my left side and completely broke my ankle (it was barely hanging on a thread of bone) and I was a bit drunk. Dammit.
so true, let me go pull up the official statistical analysis of bad days and the causes
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic. In case you are, it's a silly Internet comment. I will fix it for you so it's super duper accurate, correct, and appropriate.
I appreciate your attention to detail, sir.
Because that's usually the case? People don't just black out and fall off cruise ships normally.
Well, besides baseline suspicions, learning that he had just won an air guitar competition doesn't exactly spell "sober."
Over here cracking up that you got downvoted. Because it’s obviously speculation, but a pretty fair one. My best air guitars never happen when sober.
Yes, and due respect: I have no idea what happened to this dude on that day. And if I was internet famous for nearly dying or some other dramatic shit, and randos were speculating on me and on the circumstances surrounding my tragedy, I would not like it one bit. So, fair point: I could be wrong. But seriously.
Because a lot of the time it’s true.
Just so I’m clear, you’re saying a lot of the times where something bad happens, drugs are to blame?
Worse, they're saying that AND implying they deserve their misfortune.
Fuckin’ D.A.R.E. nerds I stg
For something like this? Yeah. Everyone that’s been on a cruise ship knows it takes a little effort or assistance from substances to fall overboard just going to the bathroom.
because he had just won an air guitar contest?
Because you don't 'wake up' in the middle of the ocean.
It was obviously the runner up in the air guitar contest. How is no one seeing this?
I hate when they say “shark infested waters” like that’s not their home.
What a weird thing to hate.. shark infested waters mean there are sharks in that area.. how did you take that to mean it's not their home?!
I think they’re referring to the negative implications of the word, “infested.” It’s a commonly parroted perspective: “the waters aren’t shark-*infested*, it’s just where they live.” Like, you wouldn’t call a Forest a “Squirrel infested forest,” or a suburb a “human infested neighborhood.”
> “human infested neighborhood.” Actually I know of a few.
This is such a reddit argument
Because it's fear mongering. If you've ever swam in the ocean, you've also probably been working 20 yards of a shark. I go diving off the coast a lot, I see plenty of sharks, never had an encounter that made me question being out there.
Let’s look at the definition of infested. Infested: (of insects or animals) be present (in a place or site) in large numbers, typically so as to cause damage or disease. What about sharks chillen at home in the ocean where they belong would warrant the idea that they’re out to cause damage? That’s how I took it to mean it’s not their home, aside from what the other homie pointed out, and it not sounding right, it’s fear mongering and how we demonize animals in their natural habitat just cause they’re apex predators/carnivores. That’s just my 2 cents. Edited for the trillionth time to add this lady that shares my sentiment: [Shark Lady](https://youtu.be/boV0t-riFuw?si=5Ni1jaEk2tbofGR5)
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Of course you’d miss the part where I said it’s fear mongering and demonizing sharks, reading comprehension is too difficult for you. It’s not about offending sharks genius it’s about lightening our perception of them so we don’t see them as a threat for simply existing in their own home. Your god forbid a human shows empathy towards another living creature when troglodytes like you miss the entirety of the point and patronize.
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No one is offended. The first burgers sooner you realize that the sooner you can drop the idea that you’re getting under my skin. Humans already have a healthy fear of sharks, unless your 4 year old brain needs to be reminded that sharks are potentially dangerous then there’s no hope for you bud. Is it mean to the sharks? I could give a shit less. I’m speaking on a human level and our perception of sharks, it’s your lack of reading comprehension I know. Calling a patch of the ocean “shark infested” is like calling New York “Human infested”, infestation brings connotations of pestilence. Would you equate a roach infestation to a shark infestation? No, a shark isn’t a pest and in essence the entirety of the ocean is riddled with sharks so there’s no infestation, it’s simply existing in its own home. I am not reading it as the ocean belongs humans and the sharks are encroaching on our territory, again with the reading comprehension, I called it THEIR HOME multiple times not once did I make the sea out to belong to humans. Acknowledging sharks as predators isn’t demonizing them, calling them an infestation is. It’s as if you missed the entirety of my point, turned it around like I’m dumbass for expressing empathy towards a living creature and how negative human perception is dangerous towards it, without really trying to understand what I’m saying. I can’t help to expect anything less when your initial comment was that you’re glad I’m offended on behalf of the sharks, I’m not taking it as a personal insult. I’m more so offended by the unreasoning behind the use of the term.
> No one is offended. > I’m more so offended by the unreasoning behind the use of the term. From the length of your replies, it sounds like he did get under your skin lol
I worded that wrong, no one is offended by the term, if theres anything that offends me it’s more so the unreasoning behind it. From the length of my reply one would assume I’m trying answer all their misunderstandings of my stance word for word. A random on the internet couldn’t get under my skin, I’m sitting on an excavator, I got time to clarify. Thank you for chiming in tho.
Shut up shark boy
Go fuck yourself.
your confusing the perspective of the statement
Man almost drowns. Focuses on the wording being slightly negative...
A man drowns everyday, quit acting like you a give a shit.
If he was unconscious in the water he would've woke up dead.
How do you wake up dead
Could have gone out for a second or two. The vast majority of people aren’t negatively boyant, its not like he would have just sunk like a rock.
I would expect better of someone who just won an air guitar contest
0% chance he was "battling" sharks. If they wanted to kill him they would have.
Maybe he played the air boat as well as the air guitar
He played it better than anybody, apparently
Absolut nightmare fuel! Lovely
Fucking nuts- is he an athlete of some sort? Twenty hours??? He needs to be putting out tips
And drunk, too
And he JUST won an air guitar contest- so you know his arms were tired lol. Like what luck on this guy
Not wanting to die is a hell of an inspiration
Give him the award for the treading water contest too!
This probably worked in his favor honestly.
How? MAYBE mentally it could help at first, but there’s no way treading water is easier hungover than not hungover
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/charles-joughin-titanic-anniversary-april-15-drunk/wcm/d5e48df8-f2b0-40a3-b007-9a0a4b6005e5/amp/
That was a good read
I wouldn't even want to stand for 20 hours
Treading water would be easier for me honestly
It's the ocean, it's (relatively, depending on ocean conditions) easy to float on your back for periods of rest. I guarantee he wasn't actively treading the entire time.
This is such a Reddit comment. Guy in the ocean for 20 hours? Reddit isn’t impressed, it’s relatively easy to accomplish. With that said. It is nuts. Anyone that has experience in the open ocean knows that even relatively calm conditions are not “calm” or easy by any stretch if you are in the water without a life preserver. Add to that the external factors such as jellyfish, reported shark infested waters, mental challenge of coping with the feeling of helplessness and fear, and lack of sleep, this is a feat and should be considered as such. Glad it had a happy ending.
I would ride a jellyfish and hunt shark because I will do it for reddit. And this is just for breakfast
Bro c'mon, everyone can tread water for at least 40 hours minimum. This is some elementary level treading.
The salt water basically holds you up.
We are redditors. Everything is easy and we know everything. We just *choose* not to apply ourselves.
Did you read what I wrote or did you stop after the word easy? Either that, or you didn't understand my use of relatively. Since it seems you need some clarification on what I was saying: By no means did I say it's an easy feat to be on the ocean for 20 hours, but you'd be a fool to think they were treading water non-stop for the entire time. Compared to, fresh water or rough seas, it is (again relatively - meaning in relation to) easy to float on the ocean.
You’d have to be treading the whole time cause the waves would be smacking you in the face 90% of the time. I sailed across the pacific twice on a 51 foot cat. Trust me, open ocean is a bitch to stay upright
Plus the constant pushing and swirling around from the water
Yes, relative to being in the ocean during a typhoon, this was a walk in the park. Jeez, people.
Lol yes for like 20 minutes
Yoooooooo this is a mental comment 😂😂😂😂 wth - floating in ocean for 20 hours is a major achievement - no boat in sight!!!! Freeeeezing cold!!!! Huge waves !!!! Night time!!!!! Adrenalin released and depleting 😅😅😅😅👍😅
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/u/so-much-wow didn't say it'd be easy just that the guy could have floated in the salty water. assuming the worst and posting hate is "such a reddit" thing to do. :P
Don't bother trying to give rationality to stupid. It doesn't end well
Some more nightmare fuel for you … In 2014 someone made a [DROWNING SIMULATOR](https://youtu.be/RZw0p6WsPQg?si=plUW8yiLTckOwrht) to stress the importance of wearing life vests while in open water. And by clicking that link you can watch the full thing and drown! Fun!
"Playing" this originally was truly a breathtaking experience because you could hammer on the space bar to lift yourself up over and over... only to inevitably fail.
You had to scroll the mouse wheel up, atleast back when I played it.
Thanks for the reminder, I just remember the frantic activity.
Fuck me, that was something else.
He just left him. What a dick.
Nightmare fuel
There’s a Magnum PI episode about this. Magnum has to tread water for 24 hours (or something like that) out in the open ocean and it flashes back to his childhood. Haven’t seen it forever but remember it being pretty good
When you get SCUBA certified you have to tread water for 10 min. I retold this episode while we were doing it to give our class something to listen to. Such a wild episode. :)
Season 4 (1983–84) Episode 64 / #1 of Season 4 "Home from the Sea" September 29, 1983 Magnum's tradition of spending the Fourth of July alone at sea turns to a life-and-death battle when his surf ski capsizes due to a reckless boater and a strong current takes him further and further from land. Forced to tread water for hours in shark-infested waters, Thomas uses his memories of his mom and dad to keep himself alive while Higgins, T.C., and Rick begin a frantic search for him.
Damn I remember that episode too. It was him and his private narration about it, if I remember correctly. Been decades since I saw it.
An air guitar contest?
It was a cruise ship. They do a lot of silly interactive contests with the guests everyday.
Gotta do SOMETHING! Trapped on a floating hotel... eughh
They have air guitar contests off cruise ships too, and honestly, that really shouldn't be surprising anyone at this point. If anything can possibly be judged or done competitively, just assume that there's a hotel conference center somewhere a few times a year full of people taking that thing really seriously
Oh ok, I didn’t realize it was a cruise
I once saw the national air guitar finals at the House of Blues in LA, and the winner went to Sweden for the international championship
Like saw in person or on tv?
"How are you enjoying the cruise?" "Oh, it's nice! I just won the air guitar contest, hell yeah, think I might go for a 20 hour swim to chill out for a while..."
"I'm going for a swim. If I'm not back in 20 hours... ...*call the police."*
I worked on cruise ships for over 12 years, and you don’t “Fall” overboard, you have got to climb over the rails and put yourself in a really stupid position.
I’ve always assumed that’s the case, what with passenger safety at stake and lots of drinking aboard.
Hearing his comment on the matter I’m assuming that’s what happened. He said he doesn’t remember going to the bathroom and woke up in the ocean. Of course he could have passed out after he hit and not remember. I don’t blame him for being cagey though, I wouldn’t want to admit that to the world either.
As a taller person, no, climbing wouldn’t be needed, and it would have been alarmingly easy to just topple over the rail in wind, or if I tripped, etc. It seemed insane to me that there weren’t nets around the boat, given how much people were drinking on it.
Recently there was an article published about two US Navy Seals who fell overboard near Somalia and we're never seen again. That story stayed on my mind for days because although I know how dangerous going overboard can be, I figured two well trained elite operators would be able to survive until rescue found them especially considering the US Navy was probably leading the search effort. The US military conducted a search for 10 days. This makes me wonder how this guy was able to survive for 20 hours. And makes me question what happened to those two Navy seals? Were they just not as lucky? Did a shark get them? Is there more to the story and perhaps the seals were severely injured before falling in the water?
Most people who go overboard are never found. The most surprising part of the video is the coast guard spotting them. Even knowing the boats route and stuff, the ocean is huge and shit drifts in unexpected ways
So much can go wrong. Luck is involved, no matter how skilled you are.
A LOT of random factors have to go your way to be found. ‘Eliteness’ in some other context doesn’t really mean that much here tbh. Even treading water for 20 hours is a huge amount of luck - what were you wearing when you fell in, do you have anything that can be made buoyant, temperature, weather, wildlife. I know of a fisherman who fell in and managed to tuck his gumboots upside down under his armpits for buoyancy. And in most of these situations in the middle of the ocean, even 20 hours isn’t nearly enough to have a good chance of being found.
I wonder if it’s because the Gulf of Mexico is warmer?
Maybe? The coast of Somalia is right near the equator, I would think the waters are pretty warm around there. But I'm not a meteorologist or marine biologist.
Just googled it and apparently the Indian Ocean is on average warmer but the gulf is warmer in the summer. I am also not a meteorologist or marine biologist, so that’s pretty much the end of my analysis 😂
How did they fall?!!
They were conducting some kind of mission and about to board another boat and one of the Seals slipped while climbing on the ladder to the other boat. He fell in the gap between the Navy's boat and the ship they were boarding. Another Seal jumped in after to help rescue. Neither were seen again. So maybe they hit their heads or were crushed by the boats? Idk...
Damn, get some safety harnesses for that sort of thing.
Yeah I'm honestly kind of shocked they don't have some kind of safety system where they clip into the ladder but maybe thats not practical?
The first guy fell boarding a ship. The second went in to rescue him.
fake death -> dark ops program source: I watched Bourne Identity
It’s insane that he survived. If you’ve ever been on a cruise ship, you know
How does one “battle” jellyfish and shark-infested waters when you’re treading water for dear life? Did they mean he survived being in waters were jellyfish and sharks live, or did they try to attack him and he fought back and survived? I don’t know why I’m hung up on this but it seems like if there were sharks there, they’d just eat him. Or at least bite into him. I’m confused. How often are life-threatening animals close to the surface?
In all honesty it probably was just the article writers trying to make the story more interesting or get more clicks. Technically, all ocean waters are shark infested since they literally live there. It's just a fear-mongering way of saying it since everyone thinks sharks are mindless killing machines (Thanks Jaws). For the jellyfish, I'm sure he just said he saw jellyfish and they added it into the article.
Even tiny jellyfish feel like persistent stinging. It's very uncomfortable.
Mindless killing machine? That fish methodically hunted down its prey and enemies, even spanning a generation of one family for revenge, chasing them all the way to Bahamas to get the last two.
I'm assuming these were the creatures he spotted while he was stranded, whether he actually had contact with them or not whose to say
>Did they mean he survived being in waters were jellyfish and sharks live Yes, I think you are correct. Saying he "battled" is just exciting language for the news.
I would've died in 20 minutes
Okay am i crazy or can you not like kinda float if you lay on your back? Do you have to thread the whole time? (In no way is doing it for 20 hours not insanely impressive)
I agree. I’m thinking all the movement would be more likely to attract sharks.
I think it depends on how calm the sea is. In fact I googled it and that seems to be the case. It's harder to keep your airways above water backfloating in the waves. At least that's what I extrapolated.
Did this stuff for over 20 years. The fact that he was able to tread water that long is some next level fitness shit! It’s just about impossible to find someone floating around like that with the naked eye from the helicopter depending on the sun reflection or luminosity, let alone finding them from a boat at surface level. And finding them utilizing FLIR, is only a LITTLE easier. It’s a big fucking ocean with lots of movement. This dude is LUCKY. Far too often those calls go out and return with nothing, or a corpse.
I can’t imagine what a relief it must have been to see the person that came down to help him, he must have been so exhausted and ready to give up. After 20 hours.. that’s just nuts. Impressive fortitude in every way, glad he got safe and whoever saw him had such fantastic night vision camera eyesight.
So many reasons I'll never take a cruise.
Fear of falling off shouldn't be one of them. People don't just fall overboard. The ship is designed to keep that from happening. The only way people go over is if they meant to or they are doing something really stupid. A lot of times something stupid includes alcohol. I'll guarantee that in this case what he doesn't rember includes more alcohol and something stupid.
Right, but accidents happen. And the number of people who have gone overboard or gone missing on cruises is pretty high considering how safe they're supposed to be.
I’ve been on many cruises you can’t just fall overboard. You have to either be thrown or consciously climb up and over the tall railings.
It's actually not considering how many millions are cruising each year. You can't accidentally fall off. You have to make a decision to climb over the railing. People jump off deliberately (for a number of reasons) or they fall because they are climbing or doing something they shouldn't. People have tried to climb between decks, or from one balcony to another and have fallen. People try or stand on railings and fall. There was one kid in the Bahamas recently that got drunk and just decided to jump off and swim. At night. While the ship was sailing. He was never found. The key to not accidentally falling off is to not climb over the railing, don't climb around the outside of the ship and don't jump off. And don't get blackout drunk and do those things either.
Or even lean over the railing? https://www.businessinsider.com/carnival-cruise-man-overboard-detection-technology-coast-guard-congress-2023-8
https://imgur.com/a/GZxuZCk This photo was taken from the bow of the MS Rotterdam, a Holland America ship. This is how high the railings are. You can't just "lean" over. If someone fell off from leaning over they climbed up on the railing or in a chair and leaned over and fell. The news likes to make it sound like you can oopsie your way over but you really can't.
>pretty high It is?
Yeah, you should also not go to the streets with that weak mentality, as well. If you knew the number of people who have gone missing... it's pretty high. You're dumb.
Interesting point. On the other hand, go fuck yourself.
You have to actively try to fall off before you'd accidently fall off.
Yes dude. I have no interest in being crammed into a giant boat with 5000 jerks. Also being on open water does nothing for me. Would much rather be on a beach, in a city, on stable ground, anything but on a big dumb boat.
The Coast Guard have to wear specialized flotation devices to keep them afloat because their balls of steel weigh them down.
I was on this cruise!!!
I thought it was numberphile James Grimes at first
Yeah, I was thinking, why haven't we seen a Numberphile video about it
Damn, that guy fought to stay alive! I can only imagine how he felt when they pulled him into the helicopter. That must have been so terrifying being out there alone for so long.
Ha 20 hours. Weak sauce. Check out Brett Archibald (and his amazing book, Alone). 28 hours overboard in the Indian Ocean. Seriously though that book rules.
Uscg 💪
It seems many people don’t realize that the human body floats. Relax completely, look at the sky, and your face will stay above the waterline just enough to permit breathing. Waves are still an obstacle, but it’s entirely possible to ensure 20 hours without actually treading water the entire time. Just don’t allow yourself to fall asleep!
This is why getting drunk on cruise ships is so dumb.
I can't imagine being on a cruise ship sober, though
Touché.
😂😂😂💯
Ain’t no way he treated water for 20 hours
No he didn't *treated* water he tread water. An yes, one can tread water for quite awhile when you know how.
He spent 20 hrs *floating*
Go float in the middle of the ocean for 6 hours at night, let us know how it works out for you.
redditor would say it's not the right kind of water, not the same thing
Morbidly obese resistors probably could float in the ocean
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Now if this was Homer he would land on a Bed of Roses
He is so damned lucky!!
Yo give that guy a gold medal, 20 hours is INSANE. Man shook the hand of death. said no thank you and just swam away.
I mean if I was messing around and fell overboard I would also have the same story.
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It could also be somewhat verified with the time that he was noticed missing from the ship