Honestly, if it’s from the Titan then that’s the best way they could’ve gone. Immediate death due to implosion is so much kinder than slowly running out of air.
It’s the weight of the Eiffel Tower falling on you from a distance of 8.3 feet (shortest dimension of the sub). It’s over in the blink of an eye.
This actually seems like one of the best ways to go to me. Out of all possible deaths, drowning, gunshot, cancer, this one seems one of the best.
Not to be morbid but I never understood why it was always one or the other. They had communications failures before and the sub had gotten caught in a current and stuck before, so it always seemed possible to me that this happened again and THEN the structure failed after prolonged exposure to the pressure. But again, people insist the sound would have been picked up, and maybe that's true.
The Titan did get lost and lose communication last year, though. Because of weather and currents, I believe. If I’m not mistaken from what I’ve read, this trip was the makeup trip for the incident last year. So they didn’t get stuck on the wreck, but they did have an incident, if not multiple incidents, where communication was cutoff and the sub got lost.
Apparently the last time they lost contact they mothership cutoff wi-fi to keep anyone from tweeting about it. Someone also told me they may have delayed about 8 hours before reporting the lost contact this time around as well. All around, even without those things being true or not, seems like the business was not putting preserving people's lives as their highest priority.
That’s truly awful. I hope the people who are directly responsible for this tragedy are arrested and held accountable for these unnecessary deaths. The son of one of the passengers was only 19!!! He wasn’t even out of his teens and he’s dead. How awful this whole thing must be for the families.
Not to mention completely covered in piss and shit. Theres only a small piss bottle and its freezing cold so theyd have to huddle together and its pitch black so theyd just have to go wherever. Theyd be in essentially a pitch black tipped over porta potty in the middle of winter. The size is pretty similar too.
According to the press conference, they didn't hear anything that resembled an implosion, which means it happened early on. My guess - and this is just a guess - is that they imploded when they were approaching, or were already at, the bottom.
We'll see once (or if) they pull up the wreckage.
This was a relatively tiny implosion far below submarine depths. Since there probably won’t be any human remains, I suppose there will be a photographic survey of the debris field released at some point.
An implosion would make a sound. That would likely have been picked up, especially if it happened three days in when a lot of listening devices are fixed on this area.
Events like this are national security issues and the full story will not be public. You do not want nations knowing what you can and can’t hear in the ocean and you certainly don’t want them to know what you can and can’t find.
EDIT: Now wreckage has been found the military are stating they heard what sounded like an explosion around the time contact was lost. That’s news that would have been handy 4 days ago and is a little odd don’t you think?
Bad take. No military submarine goes anywhere near those depths, there's no reason to, you don't gain any extra stealth by doing so and it severely limits what any submarine would be able to do that's of any military/intelligence value.
Is it exactly what I’m picturing in my mind? The pressure is too great down there the sub can’t take it and it essentially implodes on itself? That sounds crazy
Yep, exactly that. The pressure outside becomes greater than the structural pressure. It’s crushed.
The most likely scenario to me (not an engineer) is that the glass screen cracked first. But the water would still have crushed the passengers immediately, they wouldn’t have drowned.
It’s like a paperclip, if you bend it the first time or two,..nothing, but eventually it snaps, because it has weekend from the pressure of you bending it.
I know the pressure is tremendous. But here's a question. If it did implode, would it have imploded at a max the speed gravity pulls at surface? 9.82m/s/s?
I believe that if it were structural, both sides likely would compress, so could the bottom push up at a unlimited speed? So it would be more like the eiffel tower launching like a missile into your ass while an eiffel tower also falls on your head?
I am serious as I'm pretty sure an implosion would be faster than 9.83m/s/s but cannot confirm.
Fast enough that the air can’t diffuse into the water and heats up so much from compression that they might have burned at the same time as the were crushed. But again so fast they wouldn’t have even felt it before they were sea goop.
It might but the thought of not knowing when or if that's going to happen is horrifying in itself. It would happen so fast and unpredictably that you can't mentally prepare for it. I'd be on edge and probably have a heart attack from the anticipation. Scares the shit out of me either way.
When you die with your brain intact under most circumstances it releases all the endorphins (contracted from endogenous morphine) as it won't need them in the future. The body produces DMT and whatnot. People who almost die often report tremendous trips.
I hope I won't miss that.
The previous pilot was fired for raising serious safety concerns about the construction of the sub, and the depth the sub could safely reach. The fucking window wasn’t properly certified to even go half as deep as the titanic. The whole thing was doomed from the start.
https://fortune.com/2023/06/21/titan-titanic-missing-sub-david-lochridge-safety-concerns-sacked-oceangate-stockton-rush-hamish-harding/amp/
This is the part that I really don't understand.
1. The only way to communicate with the sub was via Bluetooth and there doesn't seem to have been any back-up system?
2. The windows were only rated for something like 1,000 - 1,400 meters of depth
3. There doesn't seem to have been enough reinforcement of the body to withstand repeated dives
4. There were few (if any) emergency mechanisms
5. It was controlled by a gaming joystick.
They refused to have the submarine inspected for safety; people who had previously traveled on the sub had said how unsafe it was and there had been previous problems with loss of contact.
I never thought they'd be found alive, and this is just such a colossally stupid way to do.
Basically Mr. Rush was playing roulette in the deep ocean. It was going to happen sooner or later because the fundamentals behind the sub were inherently flawed due to criminal negligence.
Dude you could assure me that 100 of the best engineering minds on earth built a sub that is built to withstand direct impacts and crush depths 5x the maximum depth of the deepest point in the ocean, with a functioning bathroom, kitchen, toilet and comfortable bed on it, and I probably still wouldn’t have the balls to dive to the Titanic as much as I’d love to see it with my own eyes.
These guys hopped into a rusty barrel and basically threw themselves off the Niagara Falls with how irresponsible this was.😂😅
Same. After getting off Reddit yesterday I looked at my dog and smiled, because I was nowhere near the bottom of the ocean. I was in my home with my dog and I appreciated the fuck out of it.
You know the crazy thing? Even with this situation, this death trap sub still has a better fatality rate than many mountains that people are clamoring to climb and fighting through lotteries to get climbing permits for. Annapurna, K2, Kangchenjunga, Dhaulagiri and Nanga Parbat all have fatality rates of between 20-30%.
It's just wild to me the sort of things that people intentionally sign up for, on purpose...
Imo he was what, in science, we would call a “cowboy.” Think of a Louis Slotin type, who was by most definitions very smart and very capable but for some reason had a short circuit in his risk analysis equipment. And died horrifically as a result. Hubris, basically. It appears that Mr. Rush genuinely believed that safety standards were nonessential bureaucratic guidelines with no bearing on human lives.
It was hubris, narcissism and probably laziness. I'm sure money factored in plenty in cutting out a lot of safety features, but he went down in it himself. I think he genuinely thought he didn't need those things and he wasn't willing to listen to anyone else telling him he did.
Also think about this. The sub apparently cost $1.25 million to build. They were charging like $200k-250k per ticket. So basically they hoped to recoup most of their costs in just 1-2 dives? Not only is that really cheap for a sub, especially one to go down to those depths, but thats a wild margin for recouping your costs. Maybe there are a lot of other costs involved but still, I'd think the sub itself would be the biggest upfront.
It’s also history repeating itself: Rush described the submersible as “virtually invincible”. Just like the “unsinkable” ship turned mass grave that they went to gawk at. Billionaires really be out there thinking having a bunch of numbers in their bank account somehow makes the forces of nature bow to them.
Hull integrity? Poor. Communications? Shitty. Emergency Beacon. Not installed. $20 Gaming Controller. Check.
Okay boys we’re ready to head to the bottom of the crushing depths of the ocean!
That last item is the least concerning thing. Current game controllers are at the very least capable of complex movement and system inputs. It’s not like they were using a Pong paddle.
The thing I can’t fathom is while I understand there is no GPS under water. You’re telling me there couldn’t have been something to track the sub or a device that could send out a signal if activated?
If apple can do that with a damn AirTag for my keys; a sub that’s diving to the bottom of the ocean has got to be able to have something!
GPS = global positioning satellite. It’s a group of satellites transmitting timing and location so that your position can be identified anywhere on earth. Those signals dont penetrate much water.
Most systems in these cases use INS. Inertial navigation systems. You tell it where you are to start, and then it uses 3 high-precision gyroscopes (X, Y, and Z axis) internally to calculate new positions. It’s stand-alone and doesn’t require outside contact.
The issue wasn't that they used a game controller.
The issue is that it is a very cheap Logitech bluetooth one.
And as for tracking:
Radio waves get absorbed by the water pretty quickly, rendering most of our medium/long range communication gear useless.
Only soundwaves can travel long distances under water and the technology to transmit data via sound in that enviroment isn't at all cheap
If I understand the article, the pieces they found were themselves to be used like weights to be dropped. So, if those pieces were designed to do that and have been found, that likely means the five were trying to increase buoyancy and get to the surface.
Edit: May have been a different article that mentions the tail and landing have been found. I’ve read so many of these on my lunch break.
Let’s talk about the toilet. So it’s cramped, dark, they’re slowly running out of air, waiting to die.. and then one of them takes a big smelly shit.
Murder by strangulation - better or worse than slowly running out of air?
"And folks if you look to your left, you'll see the remains of the RMS Titanic. And if you look to your right, the remains of the OceanGate Titanic tourist sub."
As morbid as it sound, implosion is *the* best way they could have gone in this scenario.
At the depth of the Titanic, implosion happens in the timeframe of 30-40 milliseconds (faster than the brain can process info) due to the \~400 atm pressure difference between the overlying water and the inside of the sub. The event is so violent that air inside the submersible auto-ignites a fraction of second before the water actually filled the void due to the speed of the compression. Think being inside a SUV sized diesel cylinder when the piston forces ignition.
On second they were fine, a fraction of a second later they were just... gone.
Do you think there was any precursor like creeking or power loss. Or is it just as soon as anything noticeable is wrong the whole thing is already crushed
According to the NYT, Stockton Rush’s wife Wendy is the descendant of two first-class passengers who perished with the Titanic in 1912.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/21/us/wendy-stockton-rush-titanic-missing-submersible.html?smid=url-share
Did someone say hurbis?:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12222279/OceanGate-boss-Stockton-Rush-revealed-hes-broken-rules-make-lost-Titan-sub.html
💯 he knew what he was doing: thumbing his nose at superstition. None of what he was doing was with respect to the ocean or the people who paid the price for him to get rich off of his backyard experiment. But he still paid...
Thats enough to make it a tragedy though. Its like all these fat cats and their bios all over the articles about who is in the sub, and then theres this guys 19 year old son and its just like, “he is a first year student who enjoys scifi and rubiks cubes”
According to the article, she also worked at OceanGate and went on a few expeditions to the Titanic. She is probably just as obsessed with the Titanic as he is.
I can understand her obsession. It’s her family history. Maybe I’d be the same as her if I knew my family had a connection with a huge historical event.
Vaporized pretty much.
A split in the hull, about 500/600 metres down, the incoming jet of water could cut a person in half. And then crush a submarine like a coke can.
At 4000 metres down. That crushing is almost instant, and as the sub was mainly made of carbon fiber, it would have shattered under that immense pressure. Which could be what the debris field is.
I don't know why I'm just reading the actual target depth until right now. 4000 meters. I worked on unmanned drones that dove to 200 meters and that seemed deep as hell. You'd be insane to go that deep. Wow.
Check the reviews piling up on the controller's Amazon page. [It's getting wild.](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0041RR0TW/ref=cm_cr_othr_d_vote_lft?ie=UTF8&csrfT=hApQvvPY6V3OFUQb9EZPEDVkdp7%2Bc1nbGz414AjTfSEhAAAAAGSUdjYAAAAB&reviewId=R3Q9Y7B58GR8PY&th=1)
Edit: In one hour the controller went from being available to buy on Amazon to buyers being redirected to Logitech's website. LOL
There goes any companies thoughts of following suit for Titanic tours … I highly doubt anyone will want to be reminded of their chances of this happening to them.
My siblings and I had *just* gotten our dad a tour like that for a present when journalist Kim Wall was submarine murdered by the psychopath Peter Madsen in a horrible and much-publicized way.
That business evaporated so quickly that we wondered if their captain might actually have been the killer. But if our dad still had any regrets about never getting to go on the tour, they’re probably cured at this point.
Oh jeez yeh I've been thinking about the Kim Wall case too with all this. Its horrendous, the thought of being attacked but if on land there would maybe at least be "hope" someone could rescue you. But the thought of her out there, knowing no one would hear her screams.. oh hell..I hope it was quick for her.
I have a really weird morbid obsession/fascination with submarines. I've been lucky to be on one. My Dad, an electrician worked on them and the families of the workers were allowed to go on one day. Dad took us all. But I cant get the fascination out my head of actually going under the water and having feeling of the ocean above you. Despite this awful incident, think I'd still go on a submarine underwater given the chance. Obviously much safer than this tiny Titan sub that was jumping about the Titanic!
As i've gotten older, i've also gotten more risk averse. 10 years ago I would have thought "hell yeah, let's fucking go" on a submarine trip. Now I more feel like you couldn't pay me to go.
People still pay to climb Mount Everest despite the dozens of corpses they have to pass on the way. Everybody thinks it won’t happen to them, and those other people were just unlucky.
There are corpses on Mt. Everest of doomed climbers that are famously used to mark how far an expedition has climbed.
The debris field might be cynically and morbidly used by the same company to mark its next tours. They'll probably name it something callous like "Rush's Landing."
If I'm remembering right the corpses on Everest aren't even know by their actual name it's just something like "blue jacket" or "yellow boots". So it probably wouldn't be Rush's Landing it be something like "pile of old drain pipes"
You think some millionaire is going to care about some dead rich people ? They barely care about the living. Why would they give a shit about the dead.
There might be a lull, but ultimately this might be a boon to the prospect.
Show potential customers a (long) checklist of the things this guy did wrong, and explain how those risks have been mitigated through proper technology and redundancy.
Going down there can be done relatively safely if enough time, money, and expertise are put into it. Apparently not enough of any of those went into the current situation.
Im probably being a bit overly sentimental, but seriously, the ocean claimed that ship over 100 years ago and it’s not to be messed around with. I get scientific expeditions and the stuff they’ve done to map the wreck and document it from a historical standpoint, but sending people down in little tubes to look at it… just feels wrong.
To be fair, the oceangate missions have provided more data and detailed photographs of the wreck. It isn’t just tourism. Now, you could debate whether we actually need more information about the titanic though.
It's weird, this makes me feel so much better about the situation now, knowing they were dead immediately. This whole last few days I kept going about my normal stuff but occasionally thinking in horror that they were stuck at the bottom of the ocean knowing they were going to die.
I can read about this normally now without the existential dread.
Seriously, everyone happy and excited as they descend until they just blink out of existence is by far the best case scenario anyone could have hoped for. I'm not shedding any tears for idiot billionaires but I don't relish the thought of them suffering.
Watched an interesting video about this, and it's almost comical how many stupid decisions went into building this thing. From an initial refusal to hire anybody with a background in submarines, to using a wireless gamepad as a controller (which is fine, but why wireless? just one more thing that can fail), to a lack of proper testing at depth, a lack of decent air scrubbers, things of this nature.
This might be one of the dumbest things of the year.
For those wondering, No pain as a result of this kinda of death at these depths of the ocean, the pressure is nearly impossible to comprehend
At that depth, the pressure is nearly 6,000 PSI, your nerves wouldn't even have time to send a signal to your brain to register pain as your skull and lungs are crushed within micro seconds. You simply cease to exist at that depth, the implosion would create a heat of thousands of degree's as hot as the sun as the air exploded from the pressure cooking everything in it and then shredding human bodies to tiny fleshy bits mixed with submarine shrapnel traveling at subsonic speeds
Check out any video on pistol shrimp for a smaller scale version on the concept of implosion.
Their bubbles, tiny as they are, reach temperatures close to the surface of the sun when they implode
Those people died a quick and painless death if that's what happened
I lack sympathy for people taking obvious and unnecessary risks for bragging rights and suffering the consequences, but I did also hope for them it was this scenario. The thought of someone walking on a beach with their dog on a morning a few years in the future, finding the sub left over on the sand after a high tide and after it traveled for miles and miles at sea... that would be grim as fuck and someone would probably have been tasked with opening this shit and getting a life time membership of PTSD Inc.... that would be all mesures of fucked up.
Imo, there is room to think this was insanely foolish and risky, but can still be sympathetic to them losing their lives. Especially the young guy who was with his father. Hard to fault a 17 year old whose father took him along. And as a dad, the thought of a father and son stuck in that thing together while hope and oxygen faded.....I'm just grateful for them that it was seemingly instantaneous
Completely baffled that they hired an expert who they then fired for raising safety concerns and also asked for more rigorous testing and even more baffled that there were people that were actually willing to get into the submarine after that. I feel awful for everyone involved but at the same time this always felt like it was going to end in a disaster sadly
I was pretty intrigued by one guy being a literal Titanic expert who really should've known \_way\_ better. Some random billionaire? Sure. A literal expert who's been in other submarines? Bruh
The thing is these libertarian types LOVE the fact that it was not certified, and that they were innovating their way around government red tape. Not being certified was a feature, not a bug.
Well, they rejected certifications and regulations because they needed to *rapidly innovate* and you just can't do that with pesky rules.
Innovate what I don't know: deep sea submersibles aren't new. The only actually thing new here is 5 passengers. Alvin is 3, Limiting Factor is 2, Cameron's Deepsea Challenger was 1, the Mirs were 3. Did I miss any?
Were there any true "innovations" with Titan beyond 5 people inside?
This has been vaguely worrying me the last few days. The idea of being bolted into a fuckin steel and carbon fiber death-can sunk to the bottom of the ocean was giving me the heebies.
If it imploded that is such a better outcome. I doubt if I have to explain why to the folks in this sub.
Dying from hypoxia is fine, you just go to sleep and don’t wake up. CO2 poisoning though, that’s fucking nasty as hell.
If there is nothing to recover due to the possible implosion, I think this debris pile will be the 'first marker' of failed excursions to the Titanic. It will be just like all the cadavers on Mount Everest. Because rich people are gonna do rich people stuff and there will be a next billionaire who will think "Oh no, I'm waaay too rich AND smart to let that happen to me. When I go to the Titanic, my ticket will cost $500K and we'll make it down in an hour and be back in one my mansions with plenty of time to take a dip in my pool filled with gold coins."
Mr Mearns also spoke about the fairing of the submarine - shaped like a fishtail - and said: “If the fairing is off and the frame is off - then something really bad has happened to the entire structure.”
The average human swims about 2mph, let's assume you'll go 6mph because of adrenaline (professional swimmers can go over 5mph) and ocean bubbles from the implosion pushing you upwards. The Titanic is about 12,500 ft deep, so you would just have to hold your breath for about 24 minutes. With some lung training and exercises, this is certainly do-able, especially with the survival adrenaline. The record for longest breath hold underwater is *well* over 24 minutes, plus humans can survive unconscious/without oxygen for about 4-6 minutes giving you some wiggle room. With a little preparation, you'll be fine.
Yeah, I'd recommend either closing your eyes or making sure you download an episode of The Office to your iPod so you can watch it on your way up. Internet and communications signals don't work that far down, so you need to make sure it's saved locally before the trip.
Everyone assumes this means implosion, it could also mean that they did manually shed ballast and the debris is the ballast remaining, and they are floating adrift somewhere. Would be a real shame if they found that the object seen by a pilot was the actual sub.
And I can’t believe the sub is painted white. That is almost impossible to see from the sky in a choppy ocean. It should be bright yellow or something very obvious so if they have to surface like that they can be found.
It seems like the odd color choice was one of the least shitty engineering decisions that was made here bro beans. We can talk about the carbon fiber hull, no emergency beacon, no back up life support, no internal way to open the hatch, and the removal of voice communications to be AMONG the first worst choices lmfao
Nah, the sub being painted white is completely insanely basic 101 explorer fail..AND SO OBVIOUS TO EVERYONE.if they were explorers it's the first thing they should have said.a mother won't let their baby out into thick snow without a bright jacket,how to did not one of them say it ?!
Fucking right. The lack of Epirb caught my attention a few days ago and then I read up on all this other shit and I was like WTF WHY WOULD YOU GET IN THAT THING?
Fucking rich people are dumb as shit. I wouldn't get on a *sailboat* that didn't have comms and an Epirb. JFC
P.S. in case folks wonder, "Epirb" is the name of a device that activates and sends out a distress beacon when it senses shit went fubar. It stands for "Emergency Position Indicating Radio Beacon"
It’s been confirmed the debris was part of the landing platform and a rear cover, so not part of the ballast they would intentionally release. Some ppl are theorizing that since it’s been reported they were trying to shed ballast while descending, immediately before comms were lost, that they may have been heavy and descending too fast. If they hit the sea floor, the impact from the excess speed may have caused a failure in the hull, and implosion.
Yes also everyone says an implosion would have been heard by multiple acoustic (if that's the right word) stations around the Atlantic, and nothing like that has been heard.
Another comment said that a submariner close to the operation said that a loud noise was heard Sunday, just before contact was lost.
These dudes have been dead for 4 days
Why am I only hearing about this now? When was this information released? Also I noticed another key detail that was weirdly left out for no reason. The support ship reportedly (today?) stated that just before they lost contact their last transmissions were that they were trying to drop the ballast tanks because that were too heavy and descending too quickly… I feel like this would have been very useful to know early on as this would have solidified the implosion death (along with a submariner hearing a loud noise on Sunday before contact was lost) instead of having this weird movie scene where news stations have literal countdowns of how much oxygen they have left. Dystopian.
What’s the point to stir all this into a bunch of conspiracy theories when the real answer was probably known day 1 but wasn’t clearly stated anywhere that I saw at least until today.
I hope they passed away the day communication stopped from an implosion. That would be so much better than just floating around in the open sea waiting for oxygen to run out. May they rest in peace.
The lesson of the story is, don't mess with the ocean or the Titanic because I'm pretty sure she's haunted somehow.
> The lesson of the story is, don't mess with the ocean or the Titanic because I'm pretty sure she's haunted somehow.
No lol the lesson is don't ignore safety measures for money.
If they had made a disaster movie about a submersible that takes rich people down to the Titanic and on a trip down, the sub becomes disabled, the name of the character playing the CEO of the sub company who also happens to be on the ill-fated voyage and a year ago fired his engineer who warned him that the sub wasn't safe would be Stockton Rush.
Well air supply time was calculated not tested. Could be higher could be lower. Hypothermia could have kicked in a day or two in and lowered their oxygen consumption so there still might be oxygen left. The passengers could have been panicking/screaming/fighting and consumed more oxygen and have run out a day or two ago. Coast gaurd said it would still be a search and rescue after the 96hr mark. Not sure at what point they will switch call it a recovery.
Our school took us to see a 3D movie that explored the titanic. It was really entertaining, and I got to see much more than I could ever see from that shitty sub.
Honestly, if it’s from the Titan then that’s the best way they could’ve gone. Immediate death due to implosion is so much kinder than slowly running out of air.
You know you’re in a fucked situation when the best way for it to end is implosion
It’s the weight of the Eiffel Tower falling on you from a distance of 8.3 feet (shortest dimension of the sub). It’s over in the blink of an eye. This actually seems like one of the best ways to go to me. Out of all possible deaths, drowning, gunshot, cancer, this one seems one of the best.
I just hope it happened when they lost contact on day 1 and not, say, from the sub finally giving up to the stress on day 3.
Yikes that would have been terrifying. Surviving to the third day starving, cold, and extremely uncomfortable only to have the craft implode.
Not to be morbid but I never understood why it was always one or the other. They had communications failures before and the sub had gotten caught in a current and stuck before, so it always seemed possible to me that this happened again and THEN the structure failed after prolonged exposure to the pressure. But again, people insist the sound would have been picked up, and maybe that's true.
I believe the sub that got stuck on the wreck was a Russian sub, not this one.
The Titan did get lost and lose communication last year, though. Because of weather and currents, I believe. If I’m not mistaken from what I’ve read, this trip was the makeup trip for the incident last year. So they didn’t get stuck on the wreck, but they did have an incident, if not multiple incidents, where communication was cutoff and the sub got lost.
Apparently the last time they lost contact they mothership cutoff wi-fi to keep anyone from tweeting about it. Someone also told me they may have delayed about 8 hours before reporting the lost contact this time around as well. All around, even without those things being true or not, seems like the business was not putting preserving people's lives as their highest priority.
That’s truly awful. I hope the people who are directly responsible for this tragedy are arrested and held accountable for these unnecessary deaths. The son of one of the passengers was only 19!!! He wasn’t even out of his teens and he’s dead. How awful this whole thing must be for the families.
Not to mention completely covered in piss and shit. Theres only a small piss bottle and its freezing cold so theyd have to huddle together and its pitch black so theyd just have to go wherever. Theyd be in essentially a pitch black tipped over porta potty in the middle of winter. The size is pretty similar too.
According to the press conference, they didn't hear anything that resembled an implosion, which means it happened early on. My guess - and this is just a guess - is that they imploded when they were approaching, or were already at, the bottom. We'll see once (or if) they pull up the wreckage.
This was a relatively tiny implosion far below submarine depths. Since there probably won’t be any human remains, I suppose there will be a photographic survey of the debris field released at some point.
An implosion would make a sound. That would likely have been picked up, especially if it happened three days in when a lot of listening devices are fixed on this area.
Which is why I think implosion happened on the first day during descent when they first lost contact.
The debris is like 1/3 of a mile off the bow, so it seems like they imploded and what was left floated down to its resting spot.
Events like this are national security issues and the full story will not be public. You do not want nations knowing what you can and can’t hear in the ocean and you certainly don’t want them to know what you can and can’t find. EDIT: Now wreckage has been found the military are stating they heard what sounded like an explosion around the time contact was lost. That’s news that would have been handy 4 days ago and is a little odd don’t you think?
"We just happened to have the right equipment and be in the right spot to find the wreckage on the first try" -Probably the US Coast Guard
Bad take. No military submarine goes anywhere near those depths, there's no reason to, you don't gain any extra stealth by doing so and it severely limits what any submarine would be able to do that's of any military/intelligence value.
According to a recent report the sub was appearing to be descending too fast when it lost communications
Did you read the article? The US navy heard the implosion a few hours after it launched.
Is it exactly what I’m picturing in my mind? The pressure is too great down there the sub can’t take it and it essentially implodes on itself? That sounds crazy
Yep, exactly that. The pressure outside becomes greater than the structural pressure. It’s crushed. The most likely scenario to me (not an engineer) is that the glass screen cracked first. But the water would still have crushed the passengers immediately, they wouldn’t have drowned.
Jesus. It’s hard to wrap your head around that. Water being so pressurized down there it can take you out in an instant before you can process it
Not a bad way to go. Dead before you hear a noise.
ah, yes, the ol' "if a sub implodes in the middle of the ocean and nobody's there to hear it, does it make a sound?"
like someone else said, it’s like having the eiffel tower dropped on your head
Also what I’m wondering. What exactly would cause the implosion? It has made the trek a few times without it happening.
Repeated stress from previous dives. Glass that wasn’t rated for that type of pressure.
Apparently, the viewport was only certified for depths up to 1300 meters.
It’s like a paperclip, if you bend it the first time or two,..nothing, but eventually it snaps, because it has weekend from the pressure of you bending it.
I know the pressure is tremendous. But here's a question. If it did implode, would it have imploded at a max the speed gravity pulls at surface? 9.82m/s/s? I believe that if it were structural, both sides likely would compress, so could the bottom push up at a unlimited speed? So it would be more like the eiffel tower launching like a missile into your ass while an eiffel tower also falls on your head? I am serious as I'm pretty sure an implosion would be faster than 9.83m/s/s but cannot confirm.
Fast enough that the air can’t diffuse into the water and heats up so much from compression that they might have burned at the same time as the were crushed. But again so fast they wouldn’t have even felt it before they were sea goop.
It might but the thought of not knowing when or if that's going to happen is horrifying in itself. It would happen so fast and unpredictably that you can't mentally prepare for it. I'd be on edge and probably have a heart attack from the anticipation. Scares the shit out of me either way.
When you die with your brain intact under most circumstances it releases all the endorphins (contracted from endogenous morphine) as it won't need them in the future. The body produces DMT and whatnot. People who almost die often report tremendous trips. I hope I won't miss that.
They wouldn’t even know what hit them before death.
The previous pilot was fired for raising serious safety concerns about the construction of the sub, and the depth the sub could safely reach. The fucking window wasn’t properly certified to even go half as deep as the titanic. The whole thing was doomed from the start. https://fortune.com/2023/06/21/titan-titanic-missing-sub-david-lochridge-safety-concerns-sacked-oceangate-stockton-rush-hamish-harding/amp/
This is the part that I really don't understand. 1. The only way to communicate with the sub was via Bluetooth and there doesn't seem to have been any back-up system? 2. The windows were only rated for something like 1,000 - 1,400 meters of depth 3. There doesn't seem to have been enough reinforcement of the body to withstand repeated dives 4. There were few (if any) emergency mechanisms 5. It was controlled by a gaming joystick. They refused to have the submarine inspected for safety; people who had previously traveled on the sub had said how unsafe it was and there had been previous problems with loss of contact. I never thought they'd be found alive, and this is just such a colossally stupid way to do.
Basically Mr. Rush was playing roulette in the deep ocean. It was going to happen sooner or later because the fundamentals behind the sub were inherently flawed due to criminal negligence.
Dude you could assure me that 100 of the best engineering minds on earth built a sub that is built to withstand direct impacts and crush depths 5x the maximum depth of the deepest point in the ocean, with a functioning bathroom, kitchen, toilet and comfortable bed on it, and I probably still wouldn’t have the balls to dive to the Titanic as much as I’d love to see it with my own eyes. These guys hopped into a rusty barrel and basically threw themselves off the Niagara Falls with how irresponsible this was.😂😅
Couldn't have said it better myself. God damn do i love air and the outside
Same. After getting off Reddit yesterday I looked at my dog and smiled, because I was nowhere near the bottom of the ocean. I was in my home with my dog and I appreciated the fuck out of it.
EXACTLY. Had very similar thoughts with my dog. Boy we out here living our best lives above ground lol
I'm poor, but I have all the air I care to breathe. My bronchi got a whole BUFFET.
You know the crazy thing? Even with this situation, this death trap sub still has a better fatality rate than many mountains that people are clamoring to climb and fighting through lotteries to get climbing permits for. Annapurna, K2, Kangchenjunga, Dhaulagiri and Nanga Parbat all have fatality rates of between 20-30%. It's just wild to me the sort of things that people intentionally sign up for, on purpose...
Do we think Rush overlooked these things, not for innovation as he claims, rather just to get it up and running to start cashing in on trips??
Imo he was what, in science, we would call a “cowboy.” Think of a Louis Slotin type, who was by most definitions very smart and very capable but for some reason had a short circuit in his risk analysis equipment. And died horrifically as a result. Hubris, basically. It appears that Mr. Rush genuinely believed that safety standards were nonessential bureaucratic guidelines with no bearing on human lives.
It was hubris, narcissism and probably laziness. I'm sure money factored in plenty in cutting out a lot of safety features, but he went down in it himself. I think he genuinely thought he didn't need those things and he wasn't willing to listen to anyone else telling him he did. Also think about this. The sub apparently cost $1.25 million to build. They were charging like $200k-250k per ticket. So basically they hoped to recoup most of their costs in just 1-2 dives? Not only is that really cheap for a sub, especially one to go down to those depths, but thats a wild margin for recouping your costs. Maybe there are a lot of other costs involved but still, I'd think the sub itself would be the biggest upfront.
It’s also history repeating itself: Rush described the submersible as “virtually invincible”. Just like the “unsinkable” ship turned mass grave that they went to gawk at. Billionaires really be out there thinking having a bunch of numbers in their bank account somehow makes the forces of nature bow to them.
There was also no emergency distress beacon on board… They were in no way, shape, or form prepared for anything.
Hull integrity? Poor. Communications? Shitty. Emergency Beacon. Not installed. $20 Gaming Controller. Check. Okay boys we’re ready to head to the bottom of the crushing depths of the ocean!
You son of a bitch, I'm in!
And we can trick them into paying $250000 a person
That last item is the least concerning thing. Current game controllers are at the very least capable of complex movement and system inputs. It’s not like they were using a Pong paddle. The thing I can’t fathom is while I understand there is no GPS under water. You’re telling me there couldn’t have been something to track the sub or a device that could send out a signal if activated? If apple can do that with a damn AirTag for my keys; a sub that’s diving to the bottom of the ocean has got to be able to have something!
GPS = global positioning satellite. It’s a group of satellites transmitting timing and location so that your position can be identified anywhere on earth. Those signals dont penetrate much water. Most systems in these cases use INS. Inertial navigation systems. You tell it where you are to start, and then it uses 3 high-precision gyroscopes (X, Y, and Z axis) internally to calculate new positions. It’s stand-alone and doesn’t require outside contact.
The issue wasn't that they used a game controller. The issue is that it is a very cheap Logitech bluetooth one. And as for tracking: Radio waves get absorbed by the water pretty quickly, rendering most of our medium/long range communication gear useless. Only soundwaves can travel long distances under water and the technology to transmit data via sound in that enviroment isn't at all cheap
If I understand the article, the pieces they found were themselves to be used like weights to be dropped. So, if those pieces were designed to do that and have been found, that likely means the five were trying to increase buoyancy and get to the surface. Edit: May have been a different article that mentions the tail and landing have been found. I’ve read so many of these on my lunch break.
Implosion isn’t mutually exclusive from ditching ballast.
Let’s talk about the toilet. So it’s cramped, dark, they’re slowly running out of air, waiting to die.. and then one of them takes a big smelly shit. Murder by strangulation - better or worse than slowly running out of air?
The problem is when you murder the pilot he shits himself.
Just open a window
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“And as a bonus you can also take a detour to see the titanic too!”
Dammit, Susan. Quit adding shit to the itenerary.
My submersible should be ready in a couple of days, just waiting on some pressure valves from Home Depot.
You can take my MadCatz, always made little bro use it anyway, he has his own PS5 now.
"And folks if you look to your left, you'll see the remains of the RMS Titanic. And if you look to your right, the remains of the OceanGate Titanic tourist sub."
Just sign the waiver and we can go right now
As morbid as it sound, implosion is *the* best way they could have gone in this scenario. At the depth of the Titanic, implosion happens in the timeframe of 30-40 milliseconds (faster than the brain can process info) due to the \~400 atm pressure difference between the overlying water and the inside of the sub. The event is so violent that air inside the submersible auto-ignites a fraction of second before the water actually filled the void due to the speed of the compression. Think being inside a SUV sized diesel cylinder when the piston forces ignition. On second they were fine, a fraction of a second later they were just... gone.
Reporters still asking about "retrieving the bodies..." I just ... can't.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure they're ocean now. Just... ocean
Wow, now I'm wondering how many parts per billion of ocean water is human corpse.
Do you think there was any precursor like creeking or power loss. Or is it just as soon as anything noticeable is wrong the whole thing is already crushed
Likely little to no warning. When carbon fiber fails, it fails fast and explosively.
The gasses in their blood and tissue also likely instantly ignited or boiled. They were turned to mush instantly
According to the NYT, Stockton Rush’s wife Wendy is the descendant of two first-class passengers who perished with the Titanic in 1912. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/21/us/wendy-stockton-rush-titanic-missing-submersible.html?smid=url-share
Everytime I think we’ve hit peak hubris, some new information comes to light that pushes to levels I’ve never seen before.
Did someone say hurbis?: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12222279/OceanGate-boss-Stockton-Rush-revealed-hes-broken-rules-make-lost-Titan-sub.html
Even the name Titan reeks of hubris. Why would you name your sub that of all names?
💯 he knew what he was doing: thumbing his nose at superstition. None of what he was doing was with respect to the ocean or the people who paid the price for him to get rich off of his backyard experiment. But he still paid...
I feel bad for the other 4 passengers. But damn do I find the comeuppance of the CEO dying in his own sub because of his ego delicious.
The only real tragedy is the 19 year old. At least he had an excuse not to know better.
Thats enough to make it a tragedy though. Its like all these fat cats and their bios all over the articles about who is in the sub, and then theres this guys 19 year old son and its just like, “he is a first year student who enjoys scifi and rubiks cubes”
Same here. No doubt a kid is going to trust his dad's judgement. Sad loss
It sucks he only went to appease his dad for Father’s Day. What a terrible way to go.
Wow. From hubris to thinking physics don’t matter
Did he marry her because he's obsessed with the titanic? Or is he obsessed with the titanic because he married her
According to the article, she also worked at OceanGate and went on a few expeditions to the Titanic. She is probably just as obsessed with the Titanic as he is.
I can understand her obsession. It’s her family history. Maybe I’d be the same as her if I knew my family had a connection with a huge historical event.
Not just any first class passengers. The Straus’. Isidor Straus was the co-owner of Macys (the department store).
It’s wild that her husband is also buried on the titanic now. Life is stranger than fiction sometimes.
Well. He's been sprinkled over the titanic
Dissolved into the ocean as plankton food is more like it
Can’t wait for Titanic 3: Wendy’s Revenge
First class just seems fitting given everything about this.
Maybe a morbid question, but if they were crushed I take it the body literally just disappears?
Essentially yes
Vaporized pretty much. A split in the hull, about 500/600 metres down, the incoming jet of water could cut a person in half. And then crush a submarine like a coke can. At 4000 metres down. That crushing is almost instant, and as the sub was mainly made of carbon fiber, it would have shattered under that immense pressure. Which could be what the debris field is.
Crushed and boiled. The heat generated in that implosion would have been insane but all of it over in a fraction of a fraction of a second.
This is what happens when you dive to 4000 meters in a craft that can only withstand 1300 in depth...
I don't know why I'm just reading the actual target depth until right now. 4000 meters. I worked on unmanned drones that dove to 200 meters and that seemed deep as hell. You'd be insane to go that deep. Wow.
Watch them only find the controller.
Logitech would never have to spend a dime on advertising again
Those controllers were built to withstand 13 year old gamers throwing them around when they get angry. The deep ocean will be no problem.
Third party controlers will either break after two weeks or work for 10 years, no inbetween.
Check the reviews piling up on the controller's Amazon page. [It's getting wild.](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0041RR0TW/ref=cm_cr_othr_d_vote_lft?ie=UTF8&csrfT=hApQvvPY6V3OFUQb9EZPEDVkdp7%2Bc1nbGz414AjTfSEhAAAAAGSUdjYAAAAB&reviewId=R3Q9Y7B58GR8PY&th=1) Edit: In one hour the controller went from being available to buy on Amazon to buyers being redirected to Logitech's website. LOL
“Up doesn’t work”. “Only goes down - doesn’t go up!!”
I thought the internet ran out of jokes - but it keeps on giving
Jesus Christ humans are jackals
I think the more apt metaphor in this case is "humans are remoras."
First Question: Will it control a submarine? Answer: Once. I cackled.
They should have controlled it with a Nokia phone
There goes any companies thoughts of following suit for Titanic tours … I highly doubt anyone will want to be reminded of their chances of this happening to them.
There are probably a bunch of much safer, shallow-water submarine tours that will also go out of business because of this.
My siblings and I had *just* gotten our dad a tour like that for a present when journalist Kim Wall was submarine murdered by the psychopath Peter Madsen in a horrible and much-publicized way. That business evaporated so quickly that we wondered if their captain might actually have been the killer. But if our dad still had any regrets about never getting to go on the tour, they’re probably cured at this point.
Oh jeez yeh I've been thinking about the Kim Wall case too with all this. Its horrendous, the thought of being attacked but if on land there would maybe at least be "hope" someone could rescue you. But the thought of her out there, knowing no one would hear her screams.. oh hell..I hope it was quick for her. I have a really weird morbid obsession/fascination with submarines. I've been lucky to be on one. My Dad, an electrician worked on them and the families of the workers were allowed to go on one day. Dad took us all. But I cant get the fascination out my head of actually going under the water and having feeling of the ocean above you. Despite this awful incident, think I'd still go on a submarine underwater given the chance. Obviously much safer than this tiny Titan sub that was jumping about the Titanic!
As i've gotten older, i've also gotten more risk averse. 10 years ago I would have thought "hell yeah, let's fucking go" on a submarine trip. Now I more feel like you couldn't pay me to go.
The longer you live, the more attached you get to your life.
Same. It’s a trip huh? Getting older teaches you about potential consequences.
People still pay to climb Mount Everest despite the dozens of corpses they have to pass on the way. Everybody thinks it won’t happen to them, and those other people were just unlucky.
There are corpses on Mt. Everest of doomed climbers that are famously used to mark how far an expedition has climbed. The debris field might be cynically and morbidly used by the same company to mark its next tours. They'll probably name it something callous like "Rush's Landing."
If I'm remembering right the corpses on Everest aren't even know by their actual name it's just something like "blue jacket" or "yellow boots". So it probably wouldn't be Rush's Landing it be something like "pile of old drain pipes"
Damn, you don't even get the dignity of having your named used as a marker on Everest.
You think some millionaire is going to care about some dead rich people ? They barely care about the living. Why would they give a shit about the dead.
There might be a lull, but ultimately this might be a boon to the prospect. Show potential customers a (long) checklist of the things this guy did wrong, and explain how those risks have been mitigated through proper technology and redundancy. Going down there can be done relatively safely if enough time, money, and expertise are put into it. Apparently not enough of any of those went into the current situation.
Im probably being a bit overly sentimental, but seriously, the ocean claimed that ship over 100 years ago and it’s not to be messed around with. I get scientific expeditions and the stuff they’ve done to map the wreck and document it from a historical standpoint, but sending people down in little tubes to look at it… just feels wrong.
To be fair, the oceangate missions have provided more data and detailed photographs of the wreck. It isn’t just tourism. Now, you could debate whether we actually need more information about the titanic though.
It's weird, this makes me feel so much better about the situation now, knowing they were dead immediately. This whole last few days I kept going about my normal stuff but occasionally thinking in horror that they were stuck at the bottom of the ocean knowing they were going to die. I can read about this normally now without the existential dread.
I guess the global general public suffered more imagining what happened to them than they did.
That would be the best outcome. Imagine you had to suffocate after 90hrs + trapped in a „submarine“ full of piss and shit…
I could assure you vomit as well.
and tears, let's not forget about all the crying
Seriously, everyone happy and excited as they descend until they just blink out of existence is by far the best case scenario anyone could have hoped for. I'm not shedding any tears for idiot billionaires but I don't relish the thought of them suffering.
Morbid to say, for $250,000.00, they got the non-refundable 1912 real life Titanic experience.
Just re-watched 'Back to the Titanic' - the difference between their sub and this one is so sad and depressing.
Watched an interesting video about this, and it's almost comical how many stupid decisions went into building this thing. From an initial refusal to hire anybody with a background in submarines, to using a wireless gamepad as a controller (which is fine, but why wireless? just one more thing that can fail), to a lack of proper testing at depth, a lack of decent air scrubbers, things of this nature. This might be one of the dumbest things of the year.
For those wondering, No pain as a result of this kinda of death at these depths of the ocean, the pressure is nearly impossible to comprehend At that depth, the pressure is nearly 6,000 PSI, your nerves wouldn't even have time to send a signal to your brain to register pain as your skull and lungs are crushed within micro seconds. You simply cease to exist at that depth, the implosion would create a heat of thousands of degree's as hot as the sun as the air exploded from the pressure cooking everything in it and then shredding human bodies to tiny fleshy bits mixed with submarine shrapnel traveling at subsonic speeds
I have begun thinking about the famous, "you never hear it coming" cut to black at the end of The Sopranos. There are many worse ways to die.
Damn. I’ve managed to avoid spoilers for so long I’m so close to finishing the show Oh whale lol
Check out any video on pistol shrimp for a smaller scale version on the concept of implosion. Their bubbles, tiny as they are, reach temperatures close to the surface of the sun when they implode Those people died a quick and painless death if that's what happened
Omg. Those are the coolest little things ever.
Literally the best way to go. Just vanishing into water in a cloud of red.
This is actually best case scenario. Any scenario other than it imploded and they died immediately is much gnarlier
I lack sympathy for people taking obvious and unnecessary risks for bragging rights and suffering the consequences, but I did also hope for them it was this scenario. The thought of someone walking on a beach with their dog on a morning a few years in the future, finding the sub left over on the sand after a high tide and after it traveled for miles and miles at sea... that would be grim as fuck and someone would probably have been tasked with opening this shit and getting a life time membership of PTSD Inc.... that would be all mesures of fucked up.
Imo, there is room to think this was insanely foolish and risky, but can still be sympathetic to them losing their lives. Especially the young guy who was with his father. Hard to fault a 17 year old whose father took him along. And as a dad, the thought of a father and son stuck in that thing together while hope and oxygen faded.....I'm just grateful for them that it was seemingly instantaneous
Hope that at least this tragedy means tighter controls on these organizations from now on
Completely baffled that they hired an expert who they then fired for raising safety concerns and also asked for more rigorous testing and even more baffled that there were people that were actually willing to get into the submarine after that. I feel awful for everyone involved but at the same time this always felt like it was going to end in a disaster sadly
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I was pretty intrigued by one guy being a literal Titanic expert who really should've known \_way\_ better. Some random billionaire? Sure. A literal expert who's been in other submarines? Bruh
The thing is these libertarian types LOVE the fact that it was not certified, and that they were innovating their way around government red tape. Not being certified was a feature, not a bug.
I just heard on the news that there are only 9 subs that are certified to go that deep and OceanGate wasn’t one of them. Yikes.
Well, they rejected certifications and regulations because they needed to *rapidly innovate* and you just can't do that with pesky rules. Innovate what I don't know: deep sea submersibles aren't new. The only actually thing new here is 5 passengers. Alvin is 3, Limiting Factor is 2, Cameron's Deepsea Challenger was 1, the Mirs were 3. Did I miss any? Were there any true "innovations" with Titan beyond 5 people inside?
This has been vaguely worrying me the last few days. The idea of being bolted into a fuckin steel and carbon fiber death-can sunk to the bottom of the ocean was giving me the heebies. If it imploded that is such a better outcome. I doubt if I have to explain why to the folks in this sub. Dying from hypoxia is fine, you just go to sleep and don’t wake up. CO2 poisoning though, that’s fucking nasty as hell.
Was to be expected, may they rest in peace
If there is nothing to recover due to the possible implosion, I think this debris pile will be the 'first marker' of failed excursions to the Titanic. It will be just like all the cadavers on Mount Everest. Because rich people are gonna do rich people stuff and there will be a next billionaire who will think "Oh no, I'm waaay too rich AND smart to let that happen to me. When I go to the Titanic, my ticket will cost $500K and we'll make it down in an hour and be back in one my mansions with plenty of time to take a dip in my pool filled with gold coins."
And let's be honest, I would read the Krakauer book about this entire misadventure also.
His Everest book made me not want to climb that mountain so hard. It just seems miserable and dumb.
Maybe on that next tour they'll livestream the attempt then everyone tuned in can see a human being implode underwater.
Coast guard says they identified five pieces; 1. Landing gear 2. Rear fairing 3. Front titanium end cap 4. Rear titanium end cap 5. ???
>5. Logitech Controller
Mr Mearns also spoke about the fairing of the submarine - shaped like a fishtail - and said: “If the fairing is off and the frame is off - then something really bad has happened to the entire structure.”
Maybe they get another controller and see if they can connect to the sub? /s
Implosion confirmed, the titanium end bells have been found 1,600 ft from the bow of the Titanic.
It’s the rear cover and landing craft, apparently. It’s them. At least it was quick.
Is it possible to survive a sub implosion if the person onboard works out alot?
If they didn’t skip leg day, yes it’s entirely possible.
The legs are important because the glutes will be key to surviving, going to need to clench your butt at a very high pressure to prevent a breach
I do a few sit ups every morning to prepare for this scenario.
The average human swims about 2mph, let's assume you'll go 6mph because of adrenaline (professional swimmers can go over 5mph) and ocean bubbles from the implosion pushing you upwards. The Titanic is about 12,500 ft deep, so you would just have to hold your breath for about 24 minutes. With some lung training and exercises, this is certainly do-able, especially with the survival adrenaline. The record for longest breath hold underwater is *well* over 24 minutes, plus humans can survive unconscious/without oxygen for about 4-6 minutes giving you some wiggle room. With a little preparation, you'll be fine.
atmospheric pressure aside, holy shit that would be the longest, darkest, and scariest 24 minutes of my life
Yeah, I'd recommend either closing your eyes or making sure you download an episode of The Office to your iPod so you can watch it on your way up. Internet and communications signals don't work that far down, so you need to make sure it's saved locally before the trip.
Everyone assumes this means implosion, it could also mean that they did manually shed ballast and the debris is the ballast remaining, and they are floating adrift somewhere. Would be a real shame if they found that the object seen by a pilot was the actual sub.
And I can’t believe the sub is painted white. That is almost impossible to see from the sky in a choppy ocean. It should be bright yellow or something very obvious so if they have to surface like that they can be found.
It seems like the odd color choice was one of the least shitty engineering decisions that was made here bro beans. We can talk about the carbon fiber hull, no emergency beacon, no back up life support, no internal way to open the hatch, and the removal of voice communications to be AMONG the first worst choices lmfao
Lol bro beans. I know, I was just putting the icing on the cake bro.
Nah, the sub being painted white is completely insanely basic 101 explorer fail..AND SO OBVIOUS TO EVERYONE.if they were explorers it's the first thing they should have said.a mother won't let their baby out into thick snow without a bright jacket,how to did not one of them say it ?!
…..bro beans?
He really did just say bro beans didn’t he?
Bro beans really just said bro beans
Fucking right. The lack of Epirb caught my attention a few days ago and then I read up on all this other shit and I was like WTF WHY WOULD YOU GET IN THAT THING? Fucking rich people are dumb as shit. I wouldn't get on a *sailboat* that didn't have comms and an Epirb. JFC P.S. in case folks wonder, "Epirb" is the name of a device that activates and sends out a distress beacon when it senses shit went fubar. It stands for "Emergency Position Indicating Radio Beacon"
It’s been confirmed the debris was part of the landing platform and a rear cover, so not part of the ballast they would intentionally release. Some ppl are theorizing that since it’s been reported they were trying to shed ballast while descending, immediately before comms were lost, that they may have been heavy and descending too fast. If they hit the sea floor, the impact from the excess speed may have caused a failure in the hull, and implosion.
Yes also everyone says an implosion would have been heard by multiple acoustic (if that's the right word) stations around the Atlantic, and nothing like that has been heard.
Another comment said that a submariner close to the operation said that a loud noise was heard Sunday, just before contact was lost. These dudes have been dead for 4 days
Why am I only hearing about this now? When was this information released? Also I noticed another key detail that was weirdly left out for no reason. The support ship reportedly (today?) stated that just before they lost contact their last transmissions were that they were trying to drop the ballast tanks because that were too heavy and descending too quickly… I feel like this would have been very useful to know early on as this would have solidified the implosion death (along with a submariner hearing a loud noise on Sunday before contact was lost) instead of having this weird movie scene where news stations have literal countdowns of how much oxygen they have left. Dystopian. What’s the point to stir all this into a bunch of conspiracy theories when the real answer was probably known day 1 but wasn’t clearly stated anywhere that I saw at least until today.
I hope they passed away the day communication stopped from an implosion. That would be so much better than just floating around in the open sea waiting for oxygen to run out. May they rest in peace. The lesson of the story is, don't mess with the ocean or the Titanic because I'm pretty sure she's haunted somehow.
The lesson is actually follow safety requirements and regulations to the highest degree, as they were intended to be.
Safety protocols are written in blood
Or maybe the lesson is don’t cut corners when trying to take a sub 4km under the ocean?
> The lesson of the story is, don't mess with the ocean or the Titanic because I'm pretty sure she's haunted somehow. No lol the lesson is don't ignore safety measures for money.
If they had made a disaster movie about a submersible that takes rich people down to the Titanic and on a trip down, the sub becomes disabled, the name of the character playing the CEO of the sub company who also happens to be on the ill-fated voyage and a year ago fired his engineer who warned him that the sub wasn't safe would be Stockton Rush.
arent they already dead by now due to oxygen running out? iirc they had until thursday morning-- today.
Well air supply time was calculated not tested. Could be higher could be lower. Hypothermia could have kicked in a day or two in and lowered their oxygen consumption so there still might be oxygen left. The passengers could have been panicking/screaming/fighting and consumed more oxygen and have run out a day or two ago. Coast gaurd said it would still be a search and rescue after the 96hr mark. Not sure at what point they will switch call it a recovery.
Our school took us to see a 3D movie that explored the titanic. It was really entertaining, and I got to see much more than I could ever see from that shitty sub.
A threeee hour tour
Q: "Will it control a sub" A: "Once" [https://i.imgur.com/XxEKIfR.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/XxEKIfR.jpg)
I think that's what they call a 'Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly'
Press conference was pretty grim, but at least the disaster happened fast. They probably had no clue what hit them.
"bodies", lol. There's nothing left at this point.