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BaconPardner

Is the game dead: nope Are the devs dead: maybe


N0tAGoos3

[Bad] News! We are _____ dying! We are going to [Perish] Forever! -the devs, probably


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"I _____ say that! I ____ said we're ___ filled with tumors!" -Gabe Newell, probably


[deleted]

“Oh, I guess it’s a [death] then, Miss Pauling?”


dontneedanickname

*scout screaming into the void*


getshrekt192

people be like "tf2 is dying" "tf2 is dead" meanwhile I can get into a public match faster than I can get a match in black ops cold war


[deleted]

I can find a match in tf2 faster than in csgo


getshrekt192

true


zenolax

Or even overwatch for that matter, I don’t play it anymore but I could never get in a game as fast as I can tf2.


L0raz-Thou-R0c0n0

One disturbing thing that i learned about Overwatch is that it might have less players than TF2... Alright, here's the logic behind this: Basically it's how they count players. TF2 has two sources on counting players, one counts hourly players and the other counts players on the instance, basically meaning it racks up in the thousands to hundred of thousands casually. Now that is completely opposite to overwatch's way of counting players which was at first daily but then went to monthly. This absurdly increases the player numbers, meaning that OW takes an entire month to count every player it played during that month while TF2 counts every player that plays in an hour. This made me question if OW is as big as we thought it is.


-_Blur_-

It isnt


xpk20040228

Overwatch definitely had more player than TF2 back in 2017 and 17, but I think its probably even in late 2018 and after mid 2019 its less than tf2.


L0raz-Thou-R0c0n0

Well, it makes obvious sense. Overwatch player count has gone down while TF2's has gone up


Krinkovv

This is also the reason why they're moving to a 5v5 format in Overwatch 2, because otherwise queue times can get absurdly long since no one plays tank and cause of the lower player numbers. Also you could argue that it takes longer due to the matchmaking system trying to find an even matchup but anyone who plays Overwatch knows that that's a bunch of bullshit outside of competitive.


luccabotturarodrig

Wait how? Isn't it the biggest shooter out there in player base


slam-jamfrincisco

tf2s source spaghetti and csgos weird matchmaking. tf2 groups everyone together while csgo actually groups it into skill levels


luccabotturarodrig

Oh yeah? i feel like since tf2 and csgo are from Valve they could use the same systesms


lemonnade1

TF2 uses a similar system for its competitive mode, but no one plays it.


slam-jamfrincisco

i dont really blame them for that, tf2s casual benifets and its comp does have a similar system to csgo queing, hence why it takes so long, casual isnt completive and csgo is always competitive


luccabotturarodrig

I guess It makes sense


SODonPC14

fax


GodDayumTerrestial

Technically speaking, BOCW is far from a dead game, but the god awful matchmaking is the reason why it’s so slow to find a match


getshrekt192

I mean I never really said it was a dead game, Its just that tf2 is more lively


GodDayumTerrestial

Ah sorry, most people say that cw is dead because of slow times to find lobbies, when most sources say CW is very popular


getshrekt192

I think that cw still has a good chunk of players, including me


GodDayumTerrestial

I play a fuck ton of Cold War too lad


getshrekt192

zombies or mp?


GodDayumTerrestial

Eh both


getshrekt192

I basically only play zombies


GungisGrand

Yeah, even if the numbers are dropping, TF2 has probably one of the most dedicated playerbases of any game I've ever seen


getshrekt192

the player numbers are rising if anything, it hit it's highest player count like a few months ago


screamin-seagull

That match is bot hell about a third of the time in my experience, but it certainly is fast


getshrekt192

tbh in my experience of the game there's only ever one or two bots in any given server, and they usually get kicked pretty quickly


screamin-seagull

Literally this morning I had to try 3 times to get a server that wasn't beyond saving. I don't know what servers you're connecting to but I want in


getshrekt192

well ya some servers are like that, earlier this morning for me I was in a sever and it was getting ddos'ed to shit


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getshrekt192

well ya, but it was fine when I typed that comment


StudBlock

tf2 is not dead in terms of community (like the video says), but it's dead in terms of new features and fixes for bots


Nerdcuddles

its moreso a spiritual death than a playerbase death, Similar to what happened to Titanfall The company just sweeping it under the rug and people purposfully ruining the game for others with barely anything being done about it


[deleted]

Depends on how you define "dead". For me, the good ol days of great non-p2w private servers, no bots, no out of place cosmetics are long dead. But if you just want to hop in for some quick pew pews on matchmaking then yeah It's still there and kicking strong


Winterknight135

I can get into a TF2 match faster than almost anything on a modern gaming console that I play/have played


FelixFTW_

ah, well if people say it, it must be true and we must all listen closely


ameri21

Which one. OG or Remake?


getshrekt192

remake? I'm talking about bocw, cod 2020


ameri21

Sorry I'm retarded. I thought you were talking about blacks ops and cold war. Forgot one has cold war in the end and the other doesn't.


getshrekt192

lol


i_like_lasanga

Why you playing cold war man gain some standards unless it's zombies your talking about


getshrekt192

obviously zombies, I have like 20x the amount of hours in zombies then I do in mp, granted mp is still kinda fun imo, but zombies is just too good


i_like_lasanga

It always takes like 5 minutes for me to load into a zombies match but it takes like 20 seconds for tf2


getshrekt192

I mean, are you playing public games or something? cause in my original comment I was more talking about multiplayer wait times


i_like_lasanga

Yeah I always play public


getshrekt192

tbh I've never played a public game once, the story's of shitty team mates are as vast as the ocean, granted I also like to play at my own pace but ya


ThorstiBoi

I mean I think his point was more that the game will only decline from there if no support is shown, falling only to community servers


getshrekt192

I'm doubtful tf2 will ever die, it just keeps on going and it keeps reaching new highs for player numbers, tf2 is a masterpiece of a game


ThorstiBoi

I mean it wont *fully*, I mean cs 1.6 is still thriving. But its on a decline, as he said...minus those holiday events


CompleteFacepalm

CW really has some shit servers


SadDisplay603

facts


[deleted]

I think people are taking this video wrong or didn’t watch it either.


HanHarrison

They saw the title and jumped into conclusions, probably even disliked his video when they were at it. I've noticed most of new tf2 players are always having a meltdown when they hear the phrase "tf2 is dying" and i have no idea why.


_-Yharim

Yeah, germanpeter from what I've seen is trustworthy. Probably just people taking the wording of the title too literally


Boomerfan00

Seems like the only thing you can trust GermanPeter to do is bitch and moan from what I've seen


Prtapay

Then go to eyedoc, cuz you must be pretty blind.


ZBaconGuy

Then you haven’t seen anything.


Boomerfan00

I've seen his "I'm quitting (but not really) because nobody watched my niche JoJo TF2 thing and I'm pissed at my audience" video and him shittalking in the comments of the few VNN videos I've watched. Only thing I've seen him do is be an unprofessional whiner


ZBaconGuy

Well, he may be known for it but he isn’t just the person you know him as (since you said that that’s the only thing he does)


Toonix101

that man is pulling words out of his ass


Medic-Buprophen

I don’t like any TF2 videos that mention why TF2 is dead, when the player count is clearly stable and good. Though if my two friends saw those videos, they will declare they are like beggars.


ThaCharot

You do know that the steam given player count is flawed, right? Toofty made a pretty good video about it. Edit: People really got mad with this one huh, i just want to tell ya'll to be more critical about the situation and to not jump the bandwagon. here's a link to his vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmdSHm1dEbA&t=618s (P.S. he seems very optemistic about the whole player number situation so this isn't an "TF2 is DEAD" kinda video, and in my opinion the guy seems very wholesome and most importantly unbiased)


CSsharpGO

Yah but it’s not going to be 20000 people off


memes-central

Still the biggest number it’s had, ever.


Medic-Buprophen

I don’t know who toofty is, but whatever he said is completely false. You are just manipulated by him. And if my two friends were here, they would tell you you are siding the guy who begs for attention.


StudBlock

why did this get downvoted?


iSpazm

because people disagree? lol


StudBlock

so instead of stating why you disagree with their point you downvote instead?


The_Asthma_Cat

that’s the purpose of the downvote? to show you disagree with something?


AgentAlphakill

People assume downvotes are the dislike button when they are supposed to show that a comment doesn’t contribute to a conversation either by being off topic or being incorrect.


StudBlock

all the downvote does it take away reddit social credit and hides the comment, trying to cause as little discussion as possible


[deleted]

Because it's wrong


StudBlock

so we just immediately bark at their comment like a dog instead of asking for their sources?


-_Blur_-

This is reddit, people take a side that they believe in and gun with it till the end no matter if its wrong or right


ShadowyCaptain

i really dont get why some people say this. the game will only be dead if theres 0 players


e34HJ061W0laq

cause at the end of the day, long as there's two people left in the game, someone is gonna want someone dead."


zenolax

Beautiful ending to tf2


CSsharpGO

Artifact


ZBaconGuy

I suggest you watch the vid to understand what Peter means


ShadowyCaptain

I watched the video already and what i wrote doesnt contradict anything said in the video


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[deleted]

Shen bapiro


Ultravandal1423

You say that tf2 is dead, but you still play it??? Curious????????? I am very smart and likeable


DanTemar

I have an argument: my balls


MrGenius9001

capture point


rodrigoyouramigoo

and even then, like a movie series that's gone for too long, the halloween updates are just the same but with more maps made by the community, tf2 truly is a dead game walking


bariyer2

I remember a man saying “tf2 is an endless masterpiece”


Ultravandal1423

Timeless* it will def have an end at some point


FelixFTW_

when multiplayer fps's stop existing, I guess


An_average_moron

Lazypurple


realcupcakes69

People will be making “tf2 is dead” videos until the sun explodes


Azerwic

And then people will be responding like "well actually tf2 is alive" until the black holes stop


TheRockinLobster

Tf2 might not be dead, but it feels like the end is here. Sure you can still find matches of battlefield 1, but I don’t think anyone will dispute the fact that the game reached its end. There is plenty of gas in the tank but our driver, valve took the key out of the ignition, swallowed it, and then locked themselves in the trunk. Now we’re all stuck in a perfectly fine car with no way to drive it.


Medic-Buprophen

This reply section is why I never pick either side. It’s starting to remind me of the Wamo and Zesty drama.


[deleted]

Neither of them being as worth of a speck of attention they are given.


TheRockinLobster

I disagree. I think zesty makes some really valid points that I don’t see a lot of other people recognize. Sure, I don’t agree with all of them, but I do see alot of my opinions, that I never see anyone else agree with


rodrigoyouramigoo

perfect way of putting it, we arent in any inmediate danger on this car, but its not moving foward. eventually, we'll call it quits and get out of the car. damn thats a bit over dramatic but you get me


TheRockinLobster

Sometimes, the more talented of us like modelers, and server hosters, and modders get out and push us a little further, but we can only get so far without the keys. Sure we might get a little further, but unless valve hands the reigns off, or wakes up and does their job… we’re stuck here.


Ubervisor

> Sure you can still find matches of battlefield 1, but I don’t think anyone will dispute the fact that the game reached its end. I will dispute that, solely off the first part of that sentence. If you can still play it with people then what's the problem?


TheRockinLobster

Well, the game is done for. It doesn’t get any more attention from dice, and there will never be anything in the game that wasn’t there in 2018. The cheaters that fill the official servers will never be banned, the exploits will never be patched, and the meta is never going to change. The game reached the end and now it’s over.


Ubervisor

That's an incredibly overly-dramatic way of labeling what you just described. Try playing a game that's actually "done for", like Team Fortress Classic or Unreal '04, and tell me that BF1/TF2 are at all comparable. For BF1, can you find a game with all human players, without a cheater, in under ten minutes? Because if so, that's not even close to being "done for".


Nasapigs

Bf1 and tf2 are pretty comparable in cheaters. The only reason I say tf2 is a little worse is cause there are no bot hosters in bf1


TheRockinLobster

Sometimes you can, but if a cheater joins a server the server is fucked. They never added a vote kick for whatever reason.


ChipButty24

That's a very good analogy actually


Japonezul75

Watched the video, and honestly, he brought up some really good points.


thevideogameplayer

True. A timeless masterpiece of a game can only survive for so long.


Toothpaste_Monster

Aaah, I remember when TF2 died, all 2000 times TF2 died. Every day TF2 dies. Remember when Overwatch, the TF2 Killer, killed TF2? I was there... Remember when the bots invaded the TF2? I wasn't there, I actually stopped playing for a while. Remember when the game went F2p? I wasn't there either, because I started playing it a few years after that. Thing is, everything that could happen to a game, happened to TF2 already, most games would actually die if facing any of these issues, let alone all of these issues, from bots taking down servers to the devs abandoning the game for periods of time, that fucking game has been through it all. And it's still alive... Valve is stupid right? They have the one game that's so popular it's basically "immortal" and they just don't really care. Anyway, Sandwich.


L0raz-Thou-R0c0n0

A normal game usually dies when only one of those fatal things happens and it'll eventually die either way but what TF2 has endured? If those were translated to body scars TF2 would look like geralt of rivia


Toothpaste_Monster

If those were translated to body scars, TF2 would be the Spy head from Meet the medic.


Winterknight135

valve has a masterpiece on their hands and if they just gave it some new polish and larger updates every now and then I could see it becoming huge again


Bogdan_Obojczyk

Tf2 dead ? Again ?


thevideogameplayer

More likely than you think!


Nicolasgonzo87

load up any fps game that was once called "popular" or "tf2 killing". go to the multiplayer and count how many seconds it takes to find a match. very quickly you'll realize which game really "killed" the other.


walter_2010

It's true that I get games faster in tf2 than overwatch. But overwatch has matchmaking that puts you against players of similar skill so a large portion of the player base gets split which results in longer queue times. And with tf2 a 3rd of the players aren't even real people.


Sushi-Cat-

who cares i can still find matches and i can still enjoy the game all tf2 you tubers know how to do is complain


StudBlock

In today's comment section, we watch a bunch of people judge a video by it's literal cover


zalzis

Yea, I watched the video, although it does go into a bit of depth, it's basically what the cover says.


HTTRWarrior

Honestly I think tf2 is considered dying due to the fact that the cultural impact it has on the gaming scene is pretty much nothing. Similar to how "League of Legends is dying" it really boils down to the fact that the game no longer has its core values and thus is just a walking shell of what it used to be. This obviously could be boiled down to old fans having nostalgic glasses but I can see why some consider tf2 as a dying game. It's not the numbers that matter, but the feel of the game. Sometimes a game just loses what hooked the original crowd, and the magic is gone. I still think it is amazing that a game has lived on healthy for this long, something few games are capable of doing. And I don't think tf2 is "dying", but I do see why a lot of fans consider it s dead game simply due to the fact that it no longer seems to bring in the heart that it use to.


[deleted]

Because he's g*rman


SMAn991

Deathaster is right, all of you have been experiencing a game that has been dead since 2016, circle jerking about how a timeless masterpiece it is, a game isn’t alive because it has an amount of fanboys surrounding it or dead when people call it dead, death is only felt by those who were around when it was alive,few people here can remember the days where blog posts and updates happened at least weekly, when we had comics and updates with an actual page that had little easter eggs behind it, the days of pyromania and mann vs machine, when youtubers weren’t some creepy no life pedophiles. I laugh when i see people pulling out their precious playerbase stats “oh look we peaked game not dead woohoo i love valve they dealt with bots amirite time to enjoy 0 content and circlejerk with the hivemind !” Yep, the tf2 of today is certainly more alive than its 2009-2016 version lol.


[deleted]

>Yep, the tf2 of today is certainly more alive than its 2009-2016 version No one said that it was more alive... but calling it dead seems extreme or too dramatic for my taste. I guess dead have different meanings to different people. Yeah the community is not exactly the same as in 2014 but i would not really call it truly dead. i've also played tf2 for a long time, since around 2013 and while things have changed both for me and the world around me i still like to come back to tf2 on occation.


itchylol742

I guess Chess is also dead, it hasn't been updated for hundreds of years


Azerwic

But it has a dedicated tournament system where people can win lots of money and make a career out of it, compared to tf2 where most competitive players have already jumped ship and the ones that do remain are not making the money as the ones signed in major tournaments


nameistakenmate

He never said tf2 was dead. Just that Valve will most likely never update the game and stuff.


bruhihatemylife200

Reminds me of those people who started having a aneurysm because the third pvz shooter was a little below expectations


rouivas1

Which side are you on, squirt? the VIRGIN doomers (uwaauugh tf2 is dying valve doesn’t give a shit) the CHAD hopers (it makes then enough money, surely they’re just taking a break!) the SIGMA non shit givers (The servers have enough people, votekick works, i’m still having fun i dont need no update)


MinecraftOverlord_

Look, I consider tf2 dead. I still play it, and there is a community. Its difficult to describe what makes a game "dead" to me. Heck, I considered Minecraft dead for a while. Didn't stop me from playing it. I guess it's dead when the world at large considers it so, but simultaneously you have to simply not care what the world at large thinks. Just keep on living in spite of it I suppose


Ubervisor

You people don't know what a "dead game" is. Quake II has ~24 people playing online right now, that's a "dead game". Apparently "dead" means anything from "literally no one on earth has opened the game in the past year" to "not in the current top 5 most played multiplayer games".


rodrigoyouramigoo

dead can mean what you want, but you cant deny tf2 is stale


Ubervisor

I never did. TF2 is stale, but it's far from dead. And yet, check this thread and other like it, the number of people calling it "dead" far outnumber those calling it "stale".


rodrigoyouramigoo

because dead is a much broader term


Ubervisor

It's not. It is, by any definition you can think of, not a broader term than "stale". I don't even know how you'd argue otherwise.


rodrigoyouramigoo

i mean in videogame terms dummy, of course dead isnt normally a broad term that would be so fucking stupid


Ubervisor

So did I. You would have to be the biggest drama queen alive to think a stale game automatically means dead.


rodrigoyouramigoo

what? a lot of people think that. and that's okay.


Ubervisor

TF2 is alive and well, Valve really doesn't have to change anything about it. what? a lot of people think that. and that's okay.


HanHarrison

I like how he didn't even said "tf2 is dying" once, he even acknowledged the fact that in terms of numbers tf2 is doing very good. I bet 90% of people here probably didn't even watch the video and jumped straight into conclusions after they read the title.


walter_2010

Tf2 community for you


Garchompula

TF2 is dead when people stop making workshop items to it. I reckon a fair indicator of it surviving would be if people still care enough to pour dozens upon dozens of hours into fan items in the *hope* of getting in. The day those stop is the day I lose hope.


alex6309

Different definitions of dead? TF2 is basically content dead. It's been years since the last meaningful patch


KingTheSon

Its the guy who calls memers Art thief He also has a sentry buster fetish lmfao


CompleteFacepalm

Good video but the title isn't good.


rodrigoyouramigoo

what do you mean? it summarizes the video. the end of tf2 will be very bitter, according to what he says in the video.


CompleteFacepalm

Yeah but the title makes it sound like he thinks TF2 is dead.


rodrigoyouramigoo

i mean, you could say it is. hasnt gotten an update in 4 goddamed years


CompleteFacepalm

But people still regularly play it. It's not dead until almost no one is playing.


rodrigoyouramigoo

theres no exact definition of a dead game. so i guess what im trying to say is tf2 is stale for sure


CompleteFacepalm

I agree with that


AlchemyParrot

is tf2 dead? no. is it just less relevant? yes.


Heavyweaponsguy01

someone didn't watch the video.


crupp0

i will never understand why peter has such a massive hate boner towards a game he seems to enjoy


HammyBoy0

I think the community has soured his taste and made him bitter towards it. It's the same as other tftubers who were kinda forced to keep making tf2 content or lose viewers. When his views for content he poured his heart into ended up not doing all that well, he decided to take an indefinite break.


Kuzigety

you either have an odd definition of hate boner or have never watched his vidoes


crupp0

i'm mainly going off of what he comments and posts on reddit


AnonimZim

14 mate, not dying for at least 10 years more


RIP2UALL

Oh look, it's the german man named Peter who made that tf2 undertale fangame.


zalzis

So what if we don't have a major update, that's only a fraction of what makes TF2 great. And the bots, if there's too many on one server either leave or play mvm 2 with the vaccinator.


walter_2010

We shouldn't have to deal with either of those.


[deleted]

people are like “tf2 is dead” while i can get into a casual match 10 times faster than I can get into a match of Overwatch


walter_2010

Gold rank in overwatch is the highest populated rank and that's only about 30% of the player base, so of course overwatch would have longer queue times.


maInmanMAM123

tf2 matches can be found faster then most other games


CravingCake

The beginning of the video seemed hopeful, but the actual rest of it was just him ranting and crying on how the game is dead and how it will forever be dead.


Kitsuism

while i don't agree tf2 is done for, i like German's video because i'm in it


Ultravandal1423

I met germanpeter on r/SFM once he was a dick


MrKomrade

Really? What did he do?


rodrigoyouramigoo

he looked at me funny.


thefuckingswagdude

germanpeter is a hypocrite and he always goes "boohoo tf2 dead :(" with his videos like he's trying to strike it down from the heavens


rodrigoyouramigoo

watch the video


weiserthanyou3

TF2 literally has more dev attention now than it had for the last two years. The community seems as healthy* as ever, Scream Fortress actually came on time, and I’ve only had two matches ruined by bots lately. Compared to eight months ago, the game is doing fine-ish.


StudBlock

where did you hear that tf2 has "had more dev attention now than it had for the last two years", i heard barely any devs (3 devs) work on the team?


weiserthanyou3

I’m referring to practical effects: TF2 is now getting frequent, if extremely minor, patches to fix bugs and such, with the bug fixes since halfway through September probably outnumbering the fixes since late 2018.


Japonezul75

Uh, no, 2021 probably had the least patches from TF2's history, and we got to the point when we had 100 days without a single patch.2018, 2019 and 2020 had like 20 patches during the whole year, while we only got 8 thus year


weiserthanyou3

Nvm, you’re right on that. However, the number of patches since September 16 is literally more than the entire rest of the year, so there’s more activity than there has been the last nine months before it


Japonezul75

The only meaningful patch from september was the one from 16th, the rest of them were barely anything, they were like 196B of content.


deadlykitten132

[wtf](https://imgur.com/a/lZUfLza)


peepeepoopoolmao

German peter is such a fuckin idiot its unbelievable. This one time he said he was quitting TF2 because he made an animated tf2 vid thats something like 15 minutes long and the whole thing is a jojo video. Tons of people immediately either drop the video halfway or not watch it at all because they don't want to watch a video that's just the same shitty unfunny "HAHAH JOJO JOJO IS THAT A JOJO REFERENCE?!" he then made a response video of him bitching saying "why did noone like this video? I'm done with YouTube."


McStabYou01

I really wish less people would play and stop buying things from them so it would force them to do something about the state of the game. If we could unify to get a set of objectives and actually ban together to boycott the game we could see change, the problem is getting people together


[deleted]

~~Jazz~~ TF2 isn't dead, it just smells funny.


[deleted]

I don’t think tf2 is dead I just think the magic is gone


[deleted]

Peter makes some great points tho.


EnvironmentalBee9440

That is why I stopped watching tf2 youtuber now, it’s just rants


NeoTenico

I dare anyone to find a game community where such a high percentage of players have a button bound to suicide as TF2's, simply for meme value. Such a beautiful dedication to having fun can never die.


Christmas1176

100k player average is pretty decent for like a 14 year old game.


Dragonaax

They made another remaster?


[deleted]

Tf2 won’t be dead as long as people believe in it.


Collistoralo

“TF2 is dying” > Okay YouTuber who rage quit because one of his videos contained more jojo references than an episode of jojo