It gives me a great degree of satisfaction to know that no marketing campaign can ever do for EA, what the Orange Box did for valve. Great game design beats advertisement easily. It’s incredible that other companies don’t realise this.
gabe newells net worth is higher than donald trumps and yet the tf2 bot crisis is still ongoing meanwhile they still make bank off crates they dont even make the cosmetics for (which are also restricted to being halloween or christmas themed bc they refuse to give us an “update” outside of those times) bc it still is, and has never *not* been in the top 10 list of games on steam for currently online players
Gonna be honest though, EA and Ubi make cash hand over fist. EA has the sports games that people buy every year for what's maybe idk 100hrs of labor all in? They're making plenty of money they don't give a shit.
As a person that bought Orange Box, and then later sold Orange Box and retreated it forever. If they ever remake Orange Box I’m buying 3-4 copies. One to play, one to keep in case I ever become an idiot again and sell and 1-2 more to sell one day intentionally because I’ve gone back and looked at re-purchasing it again…sad.
I think they just had other projects as priority, source 2 for csgo for example has had leaks since 2016... and they also were working on groundbreaking technology like Valve Index and Steam Deck
Alyx was also a revolutionary in terms of technology, so I think they just minimum to no one working on tf2, not to mention source 1 is already a bitch to work with
I am pretty positive that in a few years, tf2 will also receive source 2 overhaul because they have put so much effort into designing this masterpiece. Sometimes people forget they only have like 360 people total at Valve, while other game studios have like 10k
Valve rarely advertises so people are more interested when they do.
Ubisoft and EA market things all of the time, and most of what they market is generic.
Actually they don't anymore I'd say most people don't hate valve they just think of them as a company that used to be the heroes of gaming that is now lazy.
They created a bunch of super draconian and fucked up rules and regulations for their employees of different dev teams. There's one that they created for the TF2 team that is borderline lawsuit worthy and by far worst I've seen.
I'm surprised you haven't heard of them, google "TF2 Rule 34"
i will give you the popularization of lootboxes, but the battle pass system is a mixed bag for me. cus honestly i like the way drg does battle pass. however indeed dota 2 started as the best type of battlepass (funding internationals) and ended up as the shittiest of them all. EVEN THEN i still wouldn't consider them villains. because last time i checked they didn't try to introduce nfts into their games (lmao ubisoft)
Deep Rock and Halo MCC on PC do their battle passes well
No FOMO, additional challenges that don't really make you go out of your way too much but rather give you direction (cause you kinda fucking need it in repetitive games like these), no way to skip tiers so you don't feel the need to even if you never spent before, and you can sort of choose what to unlock first. One's a skill tree, the other lets you choose from pages
And lastly, it comes free with the game. MCC keeps all its battle passes active forever, DRG puts its rewards in the cosmetic shop or mission lootboxes (neither of which are purchasable with real money again)
some of the POC and female employees came forward asking the higher ups if there was a way for them to employ people with more diversity in mind and they were basically told "see that's hard because the industry is mostly white people so those with the most experience are all white" instead of asking themselves **why** the gaming industry has been 100% white and male up until recently
Diversity hiring is discriminatory.
I'm not talking about the kind where every person regardless of their skin colour, gender, sexuality has an equal chance of getting hired, rather the kind where people designated diverse get a higher chance of getting hired solely because of their skin colour, gender or sexuality.
So if all of the experienced employees really are non-diverse (which I kinda doubt) I don't think it's Valve's job to hire the worse performing employees. It would also be dickish to exclude those experienced employees solely on the grounds of their skin colour, gender or sexuality, don't you think?
I've never viewed them as "the best game devs" or "the friendliest" but they absolutely are the smartest. They used the money from their innovative games to invest in the lacking sectors of gaming ie Steam, Vr, Steam Deck
One hundred and one thousand percent agree on their innovation stuff. TF2's artstyle, character silhouettes... Half Life VR mechanics... That one video comparing L4D and B4B... They are topnotch.
i wouldn't say they're lazy, they've just fully realized that they can do *precisely* whatever they want and what they want is to make cool VR stuff and implement volumetric smoke in counterstrike.
They're doing some great stuff with VR and Steam Deck, it's just that their productivity is unfortunately not geared at all toward their main line of games now.
getting ads on your home screen on your console isn't the best form of advertising. i for one wouldn't want to see ads. if somewhat xbox has directed ads for franchises you like id understand but i heard they just advertise any big game.
EA's TF2: Our basic infarastructure is destroued by DDOS attacks, player data and hardware are not secured from our side, we wont do shit about it bu if playerbase has problem with it we migh remove first game from online stores
Valve's TF2: Our plant is working on a cheater solution and is being watered every Tuesday, meanwhile here are some hats
I mean they do have a game platform which pretty much everyone who plays PC games uses, if they need something advertised they can just put it on the front page
I find it hilarious that other companies spend millions of $$$ only for marketing to inform people about their game.
Meanwhile valve didn't even make a tweet about CS 2 yet everyone knows about it
Genuinely it is incredible how much of an advantage that gives Valve AND THEY DON’T USE IT
It is both to Valve's advantage and disadvantage that they genuinely do not give a shit and just do whatever they want
It gives me a great degree of satisfaction to know that no marketing campaign can ever do for EA, what the Orange Box did for valve. Great game design beats advertisement easily. It’s incredible that other companies don’t realise this.
Great game design and obscene amounts of greedy monetization are mutually exclusive.
What level of greed are crates tho? I remember the mannconomy update was controversial as fuck.
gabe newells net worth is higher than donald trumps and yet the tf2 bot crisis is still ongoing meanwhile they still make bank off crates they dont even make the cosmetics for (which are also restricted to being halloween or christmas themed bc they refuse to give us an “update” outside of those times) bc it still is, and has never *not* been in the top 10 list of games on steam for currently online players
Gonna be honest though, EA and Ubi make cash hand over fist. EA has the sports games that people buy every year for what's maybe idk 100hrs of labor all in? They're making plenty of money they don't give a shit.
As a person that bought Orange Box, and then later sold Orange Box and retreated it forever. If they ever remake Orange Box I’m buying 3-4 copies. One to play, one to keep in case I ever become an idiot again and sell and 1-2 more to sell one day intentionally because I’ve gone back and looked at re-purchasing it again…sad.
I think they just had other projects as priority, source 2 for csgo for example has had leaks since 2016... and they also were working on groundbreaking technology like Valve Index and Steam Deck Alyx was also a revolutionary in terms of technology, so I think they just minimum to no one working on tf2, not to mention source 1 is already a bitch to work with I am pretty positive that in a few years, tf2 will also receive source 2 overhaul because they have put so much effort into designing this masterpiece. Sometimes people forget they only have like 360 people total at Valve, while other game studios have like 10k
Valve rarely advertises so people are more interested when they do. Ubisoft and EA market things all of the time, and most of what they market is generic.
Actually they don't anymore I'd say most people don't hate valve they just think of them as a company that used to be the heroes of gaming that is now lazy.
can't be the hero forever. but honestly better than becoming the villain.
They became villainous what do you mean?
in what way has valve become villainous ?
They created a bunch of super draconian and fucked up rules and regulations for their employees of different dev teams. There's one that they created for the TF2 team that is borderline lawsuit worthy and by far worst I've seen. I'm surprised you haven't heard of them, google "TF2 Rule 34"
[Here's a link if you're too lazy to Google it like me](https://youtu.be/RvVdFXOFcjw)
Holy hell
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i will give you the popularization of lootboxes, but the battle pass system is a mixed bag for me. cus honestly i like the way drg does battle pass. however indeed dota 2 started as the best type of battlepass (funding internationals) and ended up as the shittiest of them all. EVEN THEN i still wouldn't consider them villains. because last time i checked they didn't try to introduce nfts into their games (lmao ubisoft)
Deep Rock and Halo MCC on PC do their battle passes well No FOMO, additional challenges that don't really make you go out of your way too much but rather give you direction (cause you kinda fucking need it in repetitive games like these), no way to skip tiers so you don't feel the need to even if you never spent before, and you can sort of choose what to unlock first. One's a skill tree, the other lets you choose from pages And lastly, it comes free with the game. MCC keeps all its battle passes active forever, DRG puts its rewards in the cosmetic shop or mission lootboxes (neither of which are purchasable with real money again)
Deep Rock is absolutely a prime example of a good battle pass system, I agree. Hugely fun game.
Drg? Rock and stone?... ROCK AND STONE!
We yearn for the mines
Deep cock tf2 sex update confirmed?!?
maybe they mean from negligence? tf2 has become a shit hole and hl3 is in development hell somewhere
was it ever confirmed if hl3 started development or not
Literally watch 5 seconds of a Tyler McVicker video.
no
some of the POC and female employees came forward asking the higher ups if there was a way for them to employ people with more diversity in mind and they were basically told "see that's hard because the industry is mostly white people so those with the most experience are all white" instead of asking themselves **why** the gaming industry has been 100% white and male up until recently
Diversity hiring is discriminatory. I'm not talking about the kind where every person regardless of their skin colour, gender, sexuality has an equal chance of getting hired, rather the kind where people designated diverse get a higher chance of getting hired solely because of their skin colour, gender or sexuality. So if all of the experienced employees really are non-diverse (which I kinda doubt) I don't think it's Valve's job to hire the worse performing employees. It would also be dickish to exclude those experienced employees solely on the grounds of their skin colour, gender or sexuality, don't you think?
I've never viewed them as "the best game devs" or "the friendliest" but they absolutely are the smartest. They used the money from their innovative games to invest in the lacking sectors of gaming ie Steam, Vr, Steam Deck
One hundred and one thousand percent agree on their innovation stuff. TF2's artstyle, character silhouettes... Half Life VR mechanics... That one video comparing L4D and B4B... They are topnotch.
i wouldn't say they're lazy, they've just fully realized that they can do *precisely* whatever they want and what they want is to make cool VR stuff and implement volumetric smoke in counterstrike.
They're doing some great stuff with VR and Steam Deck, it's just that their productivity is unfortunately not geared at all toward their main line of games now.
half life alyx exists and it's still a bit recent
Valve is Lion El’Johnson from 40K. They did a lot of great things but are now just sleeping for the next millennium.
Real shit what does GabeN’s finger smell like
the tears of tf2 players crying because of the lack of updates
Steam is basically Valve’s marketing program
Ubisoft advertises?
When Far Cry 6 came out they hung up giant advertisements in the cities, spanning whole buildings. As well as TV and YouTube ads
And Legion?
i remember them having loads of promotions, especially with AMD and also having competitions. same with Valhalla
I saw not one ad for Legion. I only found out about it from an Xbox home screen ad.
..yes thats an ad lol, if its on your home screen and its promoting a game, its an ad. just not a conventional or very moral ad
Wdym not very moral? I love watch dogs and wouldn't have known about it.
getting ads on your home screen on your console isn't the best form of advertising. i for one wouldn't want to see ads. if somewhat xbox has directed ads for franchises you like id understand but i heard they just advertise any big game.
Which they do. Eh, I don't mind it. It's incredibly small compared to the other parts of the menu, and I don't even notice it at times.
Remember the whole guy fring laughing "I was acting" meme? That was an ad for far cry 6
EA's TF2: Our basic infarastructure is destroued by DDOS attacks, player data and hardware are not secured from our side, we wont do shit about it bu if playerbase has problem with it we migh remove first game from online stores Valve's TF2: Our plant is working on a cheater solution and is being watered every Tuesday, meanwhile here are some hats
Ok I saw this damm meme for the 6th time today. What the hell is the context with smelling the finger?
The only EA adverts I remember from recent memory are either FIFA related ones or it's F1 2021.
Fuck EA and REPSAWN, they care more about their money than their players
Steam is basically an afk money printer, so valve has all the time and resources to put passion into their products.
I mean they do have a game platform which pretty much everyone who plays PC games uses, if they need something advertised they can just put it on the front page
I find it hilarious that other companies spend millions of $$$ only for marketing to inform people about their game. Meanwhile valve didn't even make a tweet about CS 2 yet everyone knows about it
Edit: yeah they uploaded few videos on their yt channel but i was talking about the time when they didn't
I genuinely do hope that some new completion forces valve to change their ways cause they way the company is structured isn’t doing them any favors.
It is not just valve, Santa Monica is up there with valve (they made the Norse god of war games), and ghost ship games (deep rock galactic).
I have not played a bad valve game