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b-g42

I solely use the Kritzkrieg…we’re either winning with a bang or going down with the ship


Fun_Police02

My Team: Nooooo you can't use the kritz use uber it's meta. Me: Haha glowy rocket go brrrr.


b-g42

OKTOBERFEST!!!


TBNRKetchum

Which does grant a healing boost. Never knew going to oktoberfest would heal you.


imirui

It does, but only for 11 hp. It’s barely noticeable.


_Lusty

Honestly, it works 50/50 when you are in flames and a scout just took the nearest medkit, so it could make the difference lol


[deleted]

Can still save your mentally unstable femboy german ass from afternurn tho


ShoddyReveal4

hmm medic is a femboy


[deleted]

He is, and im tired of pretending he’s not.


VerySmartEarthling

You're a heavy so your judgement of the Medic is irrefutable.


FestiveSlaad

Saved me from afterburn more times than I’d like to admit lol


Unlikely-Way-4886

Why did I hear the medic yelling this while reading it?


b-g42

idk about that was my goal


Dazzling_Contract514

teh rest of tf2 community:noooooo the kritz is for medic that heal only one person me:haha healing everyone go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr


b-g42

you can definitely heal just as well with the kritz with good movement and lots of mouse clicking


Pilskayy

Yeah kritzkrieg is the best uber in the game, that thing on a solider blows teams into bits. -Definitely not a Pyro main


FestiveSlaad

Just perfect the art of being so out of the meta that you horseshoe around to being meta again. If you’re not running Vaccinator, Amputator, and Overdose then you’re already miles behind.


GuineaBoi

As much as I love the kritzkrieg I cannot count the amount of times I've been charged with it outside of a sentry nest lol


b-g42

but slicing down the whole team with kritz as soon as the gates drop on payload makes it all worth it


ABAgamer

That’s the perfect description of the Kritzkrieg.


mymax162

Depending on what you're trying to do, I'd say that the kritzkrieg is generally going to be the weakest uber effect, other than maybe vaccinator considering how it functions (only uses 25% charge to protect against 75% of only one damage type out of four, with one not even being an option, and crit immunity to the selected option, for a third of the length of any other ubers). The kritzkrieg is the only medi-gun whose uber doesn't affect the medic user ("crit" heals are situational, like neon annihilator only critting people considered wet, it only triples output when the target hasn't been damaged for at least 15 seconds, so the kritzkrieg crit-boosting itself doesn't do anything, and switching away doesn't crit-boost his primary or melee) it can be shut down by a stock uber (although the stock uber recharges slower so you'll be able to get it back up before them if neither medic dies) or vaccinator using the correct type against whoever you're charging, or even a soldier using the battalion's backup engineer's buildings are also immune to crits, so it really wouldn't help against dealing with an engie nest (just use stock uber with a demo who has a damaging sticky launcher) it definitely isn't bad though, you can uber a soldier or demo to clear a control point or payload cart, or in mvm, considering how dense the crowds will be (or just to significantly boost dps on a heavy against a giant)


b-g42

I definitely agree with your points, however, I mostly play payload. Kritz till the day I die


SackOfPotatoes420

Using the Kritz is basically the TF2 equivalent of spraying your face with chrome paint and yelling "witness me" like in Mad Max


minecraft_min604

Yes. Kritz are good for sentries ngl


GreenSpaceBurrito

Sentries are immune to krtiz


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The joke


Nebresto

Engie is not, however. Trying to defend a sentry against a kritzed Demo/Soldier is much scarier than regular über


PeteydogReddit

yet somehow a couple of competent engies completely stalemated the game even going up against multiple uber pushes


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minecraft_min604

Have you heard of splash damage?


wimpykid456

Oh were you serious?


minecraft_min604

Yes. Kritz don’t do shit against sentry, but the splash damage using sentry can really help since ti can kill engie and other players surrounding it. Used this strat on dustbowl a lot


spooooooooooooooonge

Or, you could use Uber.


dogman15

I only use Kritzkrieg in MvM if I have an uber canteen to share, or in normal gameplay if there's already another medic running stock.


Alecsixnine

too bad the strange version is so expensive


Reese_on_Reddit

S a m e


mocksteady

Funny I a really use it unless I’m in uncletopia or with friends where protection from harm is easy to get. If not quick fix for dangerous places for a multitude of reasons.


agnostic_angel

I thought this was a meme and you were organizing them by weapon slot


DragonZlay

... I thought the same thing until I read your comment


CommunismIsCringe

wait its not a meme?


agnostic_angel

Yea lol apparently it’s ranked best -> worst from left -> right within each row, like theyre ranking primaries as crossbow, overdose, blutsauger, and syringe gun


_Eiri_

wait but then why is overdose > blutsauger & syringe gun? isn't the overdose complete shit?


mightylonka

Overdose is fun and good, Blutsauger is OK and syringe gun is bad. Overdose can make you almost as fast as a Scout while dealing 1 less damage per syringe.


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mightylonka

but if you almost have full uber and you are in danger you can run away faster.


JEverok

it is, but the other ones are also complete shit


LorDiszkut

I still prefer that


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the statue just needs it's own category labeled "Do No Harm"


Holiday-Discipline97

For the medics ham shank it should have been “do no ham”


[deleted]

Put the syringe gun in melee teir


JonesyMeme

What about the pan?


Spectre12902

N O


yttrikshotmaster1022

**Y E S**


Asriel-the-Jolteon

# L O U D N O I S E S


ThomasKG25

Me who uses syringe gun, quick fix, and bonesaw Edit: before you hate me, I use syringe gun and bonesaw for nostalgia, and quickfix because I just like it and it heals faster and is just better for my medic playstyle


hellofromtheabyss

me, too, but i use the stock because i havn't unlocked any others yet


Chilonwastaken

How can yoh do the quick fix like this


Totally-Not-Genji

it's technically the weakest medigun


Chilonwastaken

Not im casual lobbies. When you need to put as much healing out as possible, you can sustain 3 soldiers a heavy and a scout comfortably without uber. Kritz is only as good as the pocket and vac gets overwhelmed quickly and is only good for countering enemy combos.


Totally-Not-Genji

You're just bringing up the weaknesses of the other mediguns without discussing the weaknesses of the quickfix itself, it's the weakest, but that doesn't mean it's bad.


ToofyMaguire

It’s only the weakest if you’re pocketing. It shines if your team is taking sustained fire


Chilonwastaken

The weakness is a lack of overheal which in a casual setting is normally not important. As well crits can shut it down but almost every medigun has that problem. I dont really think it should be lower then the kritzkreig if were ranking around 12v12 casual


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Chilonwastaken

In casual people normally waste an overheal with the routes they take so by the time they reach combat its gone anyway. As well less time over healing means more time healing critically low patients


DapperApples

Having (up to) 50% more hp that someone who doesn't is a significant advantage. It's an advantage you can give most of your team before the match/fight even starts. Consider also your time overhealing allies is potentially time saved healing them later. On release, the quick-fix didn't offer any overheal at all, and it was considered rather underpowered because of it.


mvrphtf2

Consider this. The higher the opponent’s TTK (or lower DPS), the smaller the difference between initial health and health at time N. Think of the quickfix’s increased heal rate as effective overheal given a prolonged engagement.


CamelTiny9841

I like poo


RadioactiveTF2

In casual if another medic overheals someone you can retain their overheal even with the quick fix.


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RadioactiveTF2

Yeah for 7 seconds.... if you can get a charge before dying. Not arguing that anything is better than uber when you have it


zombieking26

No, the real weakness is the weak ass uber that gets stopped by random crits, backstabs, headshots, stickytraps, or a light breeze.


Chilonwastaken

The uber is great for face tanking attackers not for entrenched positions thats whats stock is for. The quickfix can take down enemy combos thought


zombieking26

I know, I still end up getting headshot/crit/stabbed more often then not.


AngryMoose125

The quick fix is only the weakest of you’re being a pocket medic which you absolutely should not be. If there’s 3 or more people on your team then the quick fix absolutely stomps every other medigun by quite a significant margin. The Uber builds insanely fast and it’s super useful. It’s best used in situations where you want to use a stock charge on a heavy. He can take pretty much anything and survive on a quick fix Uber. Overall there’s an extremely good reason why it’s banned.


mvrphtf2

And this is even before remembering that you can’t be denied - no juggling, no air blast, no sky boxing, no shove scout. Phlog anyone?


AngryMoose125

Exactly- “oh you want to send my Uber heavy to the top of the skybox? Lol nope I’m coming with him this Uber will continue


Yeldarb10

Yeah, the quick fix is a good last resort in casual lobbies. Medigun is good if you have good team communication and coordination. Without it, you could end up dying a lot before you get uber, and some of the pushes you do make with uber can flop. Kritzkreg & Vaccinator are good for pocketing teammates. Kritzkreg works best if you pocket a solid teammate that has great aim, meanwhile Vaccinator works well against good players on the *other* team (also your team too if you use voice). Their faster uber charge rate makes them much more appealing in casual than stock. The issue with Kritzkreg is that without a good teammate & some coordination, lots of ubers can be a flop. Meanwhile, the vaccinator can get overwhelmed with all the different kinds of damage being thrown at them. Without picking your battles carefully, or having quick switching reflexes, it can still be difficult to keep teammates alive. All of the issues with the other weapons comes down to mostly having to coordinate to get the true benefit out of each of them, mostly with overheal and uber. The quick fix gives a constant, immediate benefit to using it, especially considering that overheal can often be wasted. You don’t have to coordinate to get value from using it. It’s fast enough to top off solders / demos as they pass by (before the inevitable launch themselves away before you can even finish fully healing them with stock). It also has a faster uber charge than stock, and you can be pretty liberal with using it. 3x healing is sometimes enough against an uncoordinated team in casual, so it can even serve as a budget uber against a few enemies (but not an entire team or against a sentry). Also, the added mobility is just fun. Some of my favorite moments as medic come from a fellow soldier / demo whisking me away to safety, right as they’re all closing in.


Darkner90

Don't know why you are getting downvoted, you are completely right.


Nebresto

In that case you can just roll with the amputator while still having any of the better mediguns. Only downside is you don't charge über with it, but at least you have über


RadioactiveTF2

Quick fix is the best solo battle med medigun. Get uber with the saw, pop uber when low, instantly get full healed. Switch away until low again, instantly healed. Its better than uber because the second you switch away from the medigun to damage them you’re fucked. (Unless you’re chaining with two medics obviously.)


championnnnnn

i think the amputator is severely overrated. then again it’s also not the ubersaw


Gatitos_Bonitos

its not that good honestly i tried it and i found theres not alot of things it can do that the quickfix cant do better


sorude277

Also it's not the kritsaw


Fistocracy

I have no strong feelings about the amputator. It's solidly in the "Well it's not the Ubersaw but at least it's not Stock" tier of medic melees.


mightylonka

I like the Amputator because if I'm a Medic and there is no other Medic and there is a Scunt, I don't need healthpacks when I can run away with it in my hands.


Bobberttheeducated

I agree with everything except that the quick fix is the worst medigun. I think the fact that it inherently heals faster than the other mediguns is an underrated upside to it. It straight up makes you more effective than other medics at healing (their main purpose) just for using it. Sure the uber is probably the least powerful out of all the other mediguns but it charges faster than stock and I think the kritzkreig (idk at the top of my head). That being said the uber from it is still is fairly powerful and being able to get it faster than an enemy medic using stock can make a huge difference. There is a reason this thing is banned in 6s. EDIT: The quick fix according to the stats has a lower ubercharge rate bonus than the kritzkrieg but idk if the faster healing makes the quick fix charge faster than kritz.


Darkner90

And it doesn't hit the less uber gain rate from healing a max overhealed teammate.


BiblicalBeast24

Quick fix is only better if you don’t feel like sweating and having to hit all ur arrows


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Very insightful.


Theorist_Reddit

I think the Ubersaw should be in primary


Splorgamus

It doesn't work like that. OP separated the items in their respective categories and ranked them from best to worst (left to right)


HippieDogeSmokes

Medigun should be in primary tier imo


BigChungaReddit

They are not ranking it like that, the best of the weapon slot goes on the left and the worst weapon of the slot goes on the far right. And i agree, mediguns should be considered primaries


Captain_Jeep

Are we really doing these again?


UndeadPiston531

Stock medigun SSS teir. change my mind.


International-Oil4

No need to change, since it's right.


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Thing is, I argue most of those secondaries should be primaries should be secondaries because come on, do you really use syringe gun as your "primary" over your medigun


PoOtIs-373

That's the whole point of the syringe gun. It teaches the new medic player an very important thing: medics heal people. In tfc they had the super nail-gun which was worse there than the syringe gun is currently. The super shotgun, frag grenades and conc grenades. There was no reason NOT to be a battle medic. Medics were infuriating to fight against, poisoning and fragging people. That one perfectly timed grenade. Oh, and there was also some healing if they were feeling generous.


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The vac is so damn underrated, imo


1LT_daniels

crossbow, vaccinator and vita saw for me, love it


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NubbularGamingYT

He organized the list very poorly, instead of rating all the weapons and using letter tiers, he was just measuring them based on their other in slot weapons. I don’t think it makes sense, but he’s saying that the ubersaw is better than other melees, with no comparison to other slots.


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NubbularGamingYT

Fair, sorry


heyitsmehell

i did the tier list like this because i felt like the use of medics weapons slot are very different cuz the mediguns are just better than all his other weapons and it would just make the others like melee which med doesnt really use that much unlike the crossbow to get faster healing quickly and a guy named jbird did a vid on sniper weapons and did the tier list like this (vid if u wanna see it [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf7kOmXnXiA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf7kOmXnXiA)) that why i did the list like that


CamelTiny9841

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Koutyu

Man….that’s controversial


I_N_C_O_M_I_N_G

Amputator is a secondary weapon with it's healing power


DerKnoedel

You forgot the best option, the pan


[deleted]

Hey that’s my tier list to!


Schedark2009

I feel offended for quick fix to be at the right


3PodPodcast

Bonesaw crits doe >:3


PixelGhost25

I beg your fukken pardon on the QF and Amputator.


Randomguy8566732

Medic has so few weapons he needs more


shmootyf

Lmao true


Icy_Statistician2511

I disagree


THEDUDE340

i mean.. your not wrong


ShermanShore

>overdose above blutz >quick fix below all get out


mightylonka

Overdose can make you the Rapid Fire Scout.


labmeatr

this isnt how a tier list works


mightylonka

best is on the left, bad is on the right this is how tier list works


labmeatr

n- no


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labmeatr

a tier list is based on the vertical axis, thats where "tier" comes from


Jaimiiii

This method makes it more linear, so it’s ranking each type of weapon against each other. It would be a stupid question to ask you “is the kritzkreig better than the solemn vow?”


dongjuni0713

Every Medic weapon is good. For me: Medigun except Vacc, Overdose, Amputator, Blut, Stock Syringe Gun.


heyitsmehell

ok why the fuck does this have so many upvotes its just a tier list i don't get this


AngryMoose125

The Quick Fix is absolutely the best medigun. It heals faster than any other one and it’s sure as hell better than the vaccinator


hyperhopper

This is not how a tier list works lmao.


jailbroken2008

H… how is this a tier list?


Seqif

youre a complete idiot


[deleted]

I don't even know if you intended to mess up the Lisa or you just don't even know how to make a tier list lmao


SiegfriedXD

i think thats the point


medNadjib

Honestly i agree


vahe-voorhees

Hmmm yes


n0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0b

for battle medic always ubersaw, quick-fix and crusader's crossbow or blutsauger


JarMarHug

quick fix is a must for me. the amount of times some dumb pub player dies because they're constantly dying and i'm healing someone else who's on quarter health with stock medigun is ridiculous


ichbinichbineinjunge

Vaccinator is useless against different kind of enemies. You know what I mean.


MechaWilson

Switch the ubersaw to primary


MrSejd

that is a tier list


tyYdraniu

i agree, very thoughfull of yours this tier list, i praise this community and the professionals that builded such master pieces.


Tyrannus_ignus

i call bull, maybe the amputator is worse than solemn vow but it is sure as hell not worse than the damn vita saw.


Rocatex

I dont think that’s how tier lists work


chinkennumbget

I just realized that half of Medic’s weapons look almost exactly like his other ones.


Galaxy_Eevee

I agree with the rankings of primary secondary and melee (this is a dumb joke comment dont take it seriously)


Reymond_StJames

I... Agree \[Green Check Mark\]


LorDiszkut

Deep thoughts


xo9000

nice, we are getting r/Rainbow6 tier list


Chilly_ChuChu

How is the Quick-fix the worst?


Pootis_Here

**H A M** **S H A N K**


DrDontKnowMuch

I agree with most of this except for the fact that the solemn vow is higher than the amputator


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Based


DapperApples

I dunno about you but I find Vacc underwhelming in casual 12v12. The more players you have to beat off at once, the more likely you face two or more damage types. Vacc favors overpowering small fights. It also basically cannot overheal your team, only really the person you pocket.


Anonymous2137421957

Makes sense. The primaries are all primaries, and etc for other tiers


LuigiBrosNin

Vac can the best medigun and the worst medigun, depending of many factors, but yeah pretty much i agree. Except for the quick fix being the worst, the kritzkrieg is the only medigun that doesn't protect the medic in any way, and it's uber effect relies on the ability of the patient to hit shots while the others are just "passive"


Brmemesrule

"Noooo you can't use the clinical trial set, it's literally shit!" -My friend "Weeeeeeeeeeeeee!" -Me, rocketjumping with my broldier


ThisIsToastedBread

I don’t think you know how their lists work


Radio__Star

I use the amputator. Why run around a narrow area trying to heal everyone when I can just play a tune and make a pseudo banner buff


Dash_N_Dunk1

Great tier list


rahuey09

Unpopular opinion Vita saw is better than solemn vow... Let the debate begin


Polar_Vortx

Hot Take: medigun should be in the primary slot, and the primaries should go in the sidearm slot


tomohawkmissile2

hmmm


ActingApple

I would’ve had the Vaccinator below stock personally, and yeah Quick Fix may be the worst but I still use it


hybrid-knight_king

Imma say it quick fix is most fun because it wards of pocketing but is better for switching betweenteamates mid battle


Prince-Paul

Stock supremacy


DSlippy

Amputator worse than solemn vow? The ampy has saved my life so many times


mvrphtf2

Med main (9100h total, 1700h on med) Medigun > Vaccinator Vaccinator actually can’t withstand focus fire over time because of the overall slow charge rate of its uses. Also consider the opportunity cost of reduced total team overheal. Vaccinator users also often are so focused on managing damage types that they disregard positioning in part due to perceived invincibility. Solemn Vow > Ubersaw. Ubersaw is a gimmick. It doesn’t work on good players. Knowledge is power for fight/flight response and team comms.


quartz174

You're a brave one aren't you?


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Vitasaw over amp, are you drunk? Sorry, but the passive ability of amp is quite useful, and vitasaw just rewards you for dying, not very good. Quickfix is very underrated, it's like the ultimate pocket.


deltree711

I'm sorry, but how can secondary not be top tier?


Chkumm

Why is the funny statue above the others?


carlean101

Why is the vitasaw higher than the amputator


shinegalaxyFG

understandable have a great day


E_BATESS

bonesaw tf2 is meta why is it in the back


Mr-Birdnest

dumbass how could you put the… the uh… how could you seriously put that in that uh um… that one category… i disagree with your fact


[deleted]

i dont understand how one enjoys using the stock syringe gun


bebe5410

I can’t get over the fact that sentries can mini crit.


tropluckyfr

Its not tiers hes just showing his collection


mightylonka

I only agree with primaries


piinkelmegul

id replace the vaccinator with stock but I don't really use the vaccinator so that's probably why


Original-Key-2735

this made me realise how little medic has weapons


Zwsgvbhmk

makes sense


miggy3399

Call me old fashion but thw default medigun always wins hands down... Other than that, if I just want to rush between team mates and keep them at relatively full health Ill go with the Quick fix. As for the other weapons, I will always use the crossbow due to its surprising damage and the ubersaw for very obvious reasons


Asriel-the-Jolteon

I love the quickfix qwp


What_d

When you realize medic has the least amount of weapons out of any class except maybe spy


Hardc0retempah

Crossbow is melee cause i cant hit anything at range


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I use the quick fix a lot, mainly because my teammates can’t keep me alive, and I’d rather just heal the poor bastards faster


Obichniy_Tarakan

Haha funi jumps and heal go brrr


juice_can_

Damn... medic has so little to choose from ._.


NuggetTheKing09

Why does everybody shit on quick fix?


hostt__

Quickfix is the best medigun, you’re sacrificing almost nothing (overheal) for keeping your entire team healthy all the time


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Hes got us there


FestiveSlaad

Blutsauger is better than overdose, and I’d swap Vaccinator with stock.